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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 03:55:35 No.22070395 View View Reply Original Report

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Can somebody explain to me why this tong-scarfed abomination is so popular?

It is one of the most retarded pokemon designs I've ever seen and it fucking ruined the Froakie line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 03:57:37 No.22070423 Report

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>>22070395

There's nothing to explain. There's no secret that you're missing. People just think he looks cool, and your opinion is irrelevant to that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 03:57:41 No.22070424 Report

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>>22070395
*insert similarly worded rant about Blastoise and Samurott*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 03:57:44 No.22070428 Report

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>>22070395
>2014
>not liking based greninja
Your taste is shit, just saying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 03:59:51 No.22070460 Report

Quoted By: >>22070479 >>22070507 >>22070521

Go away Delphoxfag
>inb4 Grenigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:00:09 No.22070463 Report

Quoted By: >>22071507

>>22070423
My opinion is fact.

If you disagree you're a drooling mongoloid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:01:07 No.22070476 Report

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>>22070395
It's a fucking pokemon, just like all 720 other ones. You don't like it? That's fine. But others do. So just shut the fuck up, and accept other people's tastes as their own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:01:33 No.22070479 Report

Quoted By: >>22070834 >>22071269 >>22071466

>>22070460
>implying I like any of the garbage gen 6 starters

There hasn't been a good starter since gen 3.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:02:05 No.22070486 Report

Quoted By: >>22070508 >>22070688

>>22070395
Aesthetically, it's thin and as such people want to be him.
Overall, though, people pretend to like its design because it's strong and easy to use. Nobody actually likes it though, and it's shit against any half-prepared team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:04:25 No.22070507 Report

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>>22070460
kill yourself sonygger

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:04:33 No.22070508 Report

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>>22070486
>soon to ascend to ubers
>shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:05:18 No.22070521 Report

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>>22070460
>people who hate Greninja like Delphox
What if I like both?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:05:29 No.22070524 Report

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>>22070395
It has a great design that's one of the best in its gen and better than most Pokemon in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:05:41 No.22070526 Report

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>>22070395
For one, they selected it to appear in the new Smash game. Second it just happens to be the most popular largely due to 1. Mega Charizard X and Y and Blaziken existing, rendering less people who would choose the Fire starter and 2. Mega Venusaur is also existing and it's poison, so it had an edge on the new Fairy type. This also messed up Chespin's popularity as well.

Basically, it's GF's favoritism and the Kanto throwbacks that ruined the other starters chances to be popular. That and I guess people expected more from Delphox design wise.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:06:59 No.22070545 Report

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>>22070395
>pokemon are supposed to be based on realistic animals, not monsters or anything!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:07:12 No.22070548 Report

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>>22070526
>For one, they selected it to appear in the new Smash game
They as in Sakurai. GF didn't pick the Pokemon that will appear in Smash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:07:21 No.22070551 Report

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>>22070395
>It is one of the most creative pokemon designs I've ever seen
FTFY :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:08:56 No.22070580 Report

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>>22070526
Your points don't make any sense.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:09:08 No.22070582 Report

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>Frog Pokémon

>Weak to Bug

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:11:08 No.22070608 Report

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>>22070545
The tongue scarf is retarded looking and not at all practical for even a fictional creature. If it just had a long tongue that hung out most of the time I'd be fine with that. But the fact is we never see the tongue inside its mouth, and therefore its mouth can never be closed. How does it eat? How does it chew? It doesn't make sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:11:10 No.22070609 Report

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>>22070545
they didn't have to give it a lickitung gimmick on coke

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:11:55 No.22070618 Report

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>>22070548
Well the point still stands. It was in a popular Nintendo game outside pokemon and it only boosted its popularity even more.
>>22070580
I'm not trying to make sense, I'm trying to give the OP a somewhat believable reason. Alot of things are popular for no fucking reason, just look at MLP.

I don't know man, what reason do you have?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:12:02 No.22070620 Report

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Two simple reasons
>it's a ninja, and ninjas are ebin
>It was the only competitively viable starter in XY, being one of only,what, 72? New pokemon, with protean, it was bound to happen

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:12:44 No.22070628 Report

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>>22070608
>How does it eat? How does it chew?
You literally see it eat in Pokemon Amie.
>But the fact is we never see the tongue inside its mouth, and therefore its mouth can never be closed.
Its tongue can be inside its mouth, look at concept art.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:14:09 No.22070643 Report

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>>22070618
Greninja was still crazy popular before it got revealed in Smash. Now he's even more popular.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:14:28 No.22070647 Report

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Geninja is competitively good, and while the tongue as a scarf is a stupid idea he looks edgy cool.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:14:52 No.22070653 Report

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:15:13 No.22070658 Report

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>>22070395
Idk but all the newfags circle jerk to it.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:16:29 No.22070665 Report

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>>22070395

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:16:44 No.22070667 Report

Quoted By: >>22070726

>>22070608

>not practical for a fictional creature
>fictional

That's the operative word, you fucking mongoloid. It's fictional. How do you know the tongue isn't sturdier than the rest of it? Frogs have really thin skin, and the tongue is one of the most muscular organs in the body. Also it's a ninja, so it might be using its extra sensitive tongue to sense its surroundings.

The point is it looks cool and it's fiction, and you're a fuckin tool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:16:45 No.22070669 Report

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He's a ninja frog, he's in a Smash Bros. game, and he's pretty good in competitive Pokemon and competitive Smash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:18:36 No.22070688 Report

Quoted By: >>22070712 >>22070995

>>22070395
it is extremely broken and most people are a bunch of filthy weeabos
>>22070486
did you know that most people would prefer it female cuz they want to stick their dick in it

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:18:44 No.22070691 Report

Quoted By: >>22070734 >>22070739 >>22070740 >>22070754

>>22070395

Hey, at least it's not as bad as this thing. With Greninja you can at least tell what they were going for. This piece of shit is an absolute clusterfuck and fails as a design on every level.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:18:59 No.22070695 Report

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Not getting your Sceptile to grab it's tongue and use leaf blade to slice it off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:20:29 No.22070708 Report

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>>22070608
Again, why does it have to make sense? Remember that the franchise is called Pocket Monsters, a whole lot of them don't make sense as to how are they alive. Many Pokémon don't seem to even have a mouth in the first place and they can be fed. If you don't like the design, its completely understandable, I don't like a few mons either, but don't over think their designs and try to apply rules and logic to them, you can find something that doesn't make sense just about every single pokemon then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:20:41 No.22070712 Report

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>>22070688
That's gay, Anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:21:40 No.22070726 Report

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>>22070667
Even ignoring that, it uses the tongue plenty in animation to grab things and whatnot so I'm guessing it's practical enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:23:12 No.22070734 Report

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>>22070691
If they had made him water/fighting and bipedal like I've seen in some concept art he'd be awesome.

Even as it is he's still better than the other two garbage gen 5 starters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:23:30 No.22070739 Report

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>>22070691
It's a samurai sea lion. How is that not immediately obvious?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:23:32 No.22070740 Report

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>>22070691
I hate that design too, but it isn't really a mystery what the concept was. It's a really terrible implementation of that idea though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:23:36 No.22070741 Report

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Doesn't Gren open it's mouth in Amie?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:24:07 No.22070750 Report

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>>22070608

How does pikachu's design make sense? How can a tail be flat and jagged like that, and prehensile when its too thin to have a spine going through it? And its ears don't have earholes. The tail just isn't practical even for a fictional creature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:24:08 No.22070751 Report

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I really liked it at first in Pokemon X, then started to lose interest after a while but after the Smash reveal I got hyped again and began using Greninja again.
Same thing in Smash really, was really hyped for it at first, played the game and eventually mained other characters but recently I've been trying to main it again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:24:32 No.22070754 Report

Quoted By: >>22070777

>>22070691
I never understood all the hate this one gets, what's so wrong with it? I fucking hate Oshawott by the way, one of my least favorite Pokemon of all time but I do like its evolutions, specially Dewott.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:25:59 No.22070766 Report

Quoted By: >>22070788 >>22070802

>caring about if its popular
Who gives a shit? Cant we agree that Gen 6 gave us one of the best starter trios since forever?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:26:52 No.22070777 Report

Quoted By: >>22070786

>>22070754

I always thought Samurott's design was okay, way better than those other disgusting gen 5 starters. I just think its body shape is a little awkward for what it's supposed to do. Doesn't help that it's shit in battle.

I still blame that piece of shit Emboar for Samurott not being water/fighting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:27:51 No.22070786 Report

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>>22070777
Emboar has good bara, faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:27:56 No.22070788 Report

Quoted By: >>22070806 >>22070813

>>22070766
Love the warrior/rogue/mage thing they did, really wish they went further with that and made Chesnaught Grass/Steel, and gave Delphox tons of coverage "spell" moves like thunderbolt and whatnot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:29:15 No.22070802 Report

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>>22070766
gen 4 was better

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:29:46 No.22070806 Report

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>>22070788

Warriors aren't limited to knights.

Also the idea was to have both of their types in the weakness triangle (grass/fighting > water/dark > fire/psychic > grass/fighting)

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:30:21 No.22070813 Report

Quoted By: >>22070845 >>22070976

>>22070788
Yeah, I don't think they ever made a starter trio to be sort of related to each other before and that was pretty cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:31:57 No.22070834 Report

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>>22070479
>Gen 3
Confirmed shittest taste.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:32:57 No.22070845 Report

Quoted By: >>22070858 >>22070976

>>22070813

Gen 5 were based on royalty (king, shogun, emperor)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:33:57 No.22070858 Report

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>>22070845
It result was very sub par though.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:35:13 No.22070870 Report

Quoted By: >>22070895

>>22070395
Because, unlike what your opinion of it is implying, it's one of many great designs in the pokemon series. The fact that it's a starter helps it to be easily remembered, add to that the exceptionally unique design quirk. Because, seriously, if you think Tonguescarf, Greninja is guaranteed the only result. Distinguishing aspects like these make for memorable design. It helps that Greninja is overall well designed.

Oh, and apparently the guys at Bandai Namco and Sora thought similarly, seeing that they unanimously decided onto adding him into Smash. AKA: Those two pokemon are the only post-Gen I things that i know about.

And do i seriously need to mention its competitive usefulness?

It hit all the right marks. Asking how is it popular is honestly a pretty dumb question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:36:51 No.22070895 Report

Quoted By: >>22070937 >>22070968 >>22071563

>>22070870
>design
Subjective
Samurai picked it from a handful of early sketches, namco had no involvement.
God, I hate ignorant dumbshits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:39:32 No.22070937 Report

Quoted By: >>22070979

>>22070895
Sakurai and his team picked Greninja based only on concept art. And his team includes people working at Namco.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:40:51 No.22070968 Report

Quoted By: >>22070990

>>22070895
>Samurai picked it from a handful of early sketches, namco had no involvement.

>Picking up on what we were getting at, Sakurai explained that the development team wasn’t waiting to pull something out of Pokémon X and Pokémon Y—there was an open slot for a Pokémon, and the team began discussing who to put in it. Eventually, after a conversation among the various staff, they settled upon Greninja.
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/06/10/super-smash-bros-characters-decided-upon-early-development/

You're the ignorant dumbshit here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:41:58 No.22070976 Report

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>>22070845
>>22070813

Gen 4 were based on gods of earth, heaven and sea. Torterra is the world turtle, Infernape is sun wukong and Empoleon is poseidon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:42:07 No.22070979 Report

Quoted By: >>22070990 >>22071079 >>22071092

>>22070937
Only Sakurau himself chose it.
The pre sketches for all we know didn't even finalize Chesnaught or Delphox, so you can't just state they chose h because he's "perfect". Try and look at this from a non-biased PoV, and while I do love Greninja, I can see that he's no the best thing in the world either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:43:09 No.22070990 Report

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>>22070968
see >>22070979
Take off those biased glasses.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:43:34 No.22070995 Report

Quoted By: >>22071154

>>22070688
i know i would

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:45:21 No.22071022 Report

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>>22070521
then the world assplodes

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:49:41 No.22071079 Report

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>>22070979
When the hell did i call it the most perfectest, bestest best thing in the world? I referred to it as a good design among lots of good designs. Stop putting words onto peoples mouth to favor your arguments.

>>22070990
Also
>I post source backing a claim
>Call me biased and wrong, while adhering to a biased claim of your own

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:50:18 No.22071092 Report

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>>22070979
>The pre sketches for all we know didn't even finalize Chesnaught or Delphox, so you can't just state they chose h because he's "perfect"
The designs probably were finalized. You know how Smash Bros decides its roster early in development? It should be the same for Pokemon.

Greninja was picked because he was the best choice for Smash Bros, Anon. It's an attractive design that's easy to make a moveset for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:55:14 No.22071154 Report

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>>22070995
aw yeah mah nigga

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 04:57:17 No.22071184 Report

Quoted By: >>22071238 >>22071257

>Early 2013
>Starters revealed
>Everyone hates loves Chespin and Fennekin, but I love Froakie. People call me a hipset.
>Evolutions are revealed
>The Chespinfags see how stupid Quiladin looks and cry. The Fennekinfags hold strong, and I am still a hipster for liking Frogadier
>Final evolutions revealed.
>Everyone laughs at me, harder than ever, because I see the beauty of that long-tounged ninja. The Chesnaughtfags return in greater numbers.
>The game comes out
>Everyone accuses me of only liking Froakie because he's stronger than the others.

Fuck off, sore loser. You chose the wrong Pokemon. Deal with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 05:01:14 No.22071238 Report

Quoted By: >>22071292

>>22071184
When the starter designs were leaked, Greninja was by far the most popular of the bunch.

I was always gonna pick Froakie, but seeing Greninja's design get leaked on /vp/ made me fall in love with him.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 05:02:36 No.22071257 Report

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>>22071184

I thought all the first stagers were unremarkable but I preferred Froakie, the bubbles gave it some unique flare. Frogadier was cool but it made me think the final evo would "just get bigger." Which was fine because I still didn't care for the others.

When I saw the Greninja leak I called bullshit because I didn't believe GF would make anything that cool.

They blew it out of the fucking water. It was the strongest feeling of "I made the right choice" I ever experienced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 05:03:44 No.22071269 Report

Quoted By: >>22073231

>>22070479
gen 4 more like it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 05:05:29 No.22071292 Report

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>>22071238
He also had the strongest backlash from his detractors.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 05:17:09 No.22071448 Report

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>>22071292

That's how you know they jelly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 05:18:34 No.22071466 Report

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>>22070479
This

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 05:22:16 No.22071507 Report

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>>22070463
>>22070395

This samefag has been at it forever

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 05:26:17 No.22071563 Report

Quoted By: >>22072652

>>22070895
>design
>Subjective

Ok, listen up /vp/, and listen well. The "design is subjective" argument is dildos when the design in question has an actual concept behind it, which is 99% of the time. This doesn't meant meant that there's an ultimate angle in drawing, or that a 47 degree line in your character will objectively make it better.

GOOD character design (when it has a concept behind it) is directly proportional to the accuracy of the design at the time of portraying its concept appropiately.

For example:
Take a look at this stupid MS paint trackpad drawing. If i wanted to create a character whose concept was "Menacing", then this design is objectively bad in regards to its conceptual execution, given that it is not only poorly and lazily drawn, it also absolutely fails to incorporate the concept into the design.

This is a simple way to distinguish a good design from a bad one. Bias free. Quit using subjective as a crutch term.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 05:57:31 No.22071983 Report

Quoted By: >>22073211 >>22073309

>>22070608
It's been proven that he can retract his tongue back into his mouth whenever he wants. The reason why this doesn't happen in the games is simply because collision-detection (the thing that that can make an object wrap around another object realistically) is not very easy to implement, so lazy developers tend to find workarounds to this. In GF's case, they simply made the tongue-scarf a part of greninja's actual model instead of making a complicated, constantly stretching tongue that constantly has to bind back to scarf-form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 06:50:07 No.22072652 Report

Quoted By: >>22073028

>>22071563
guess what? Liking it is subjective and liking it is literally the only thing that matters. If you like Greninja's design it's a good design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 07:26:07 No.22073028 Report

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>>22072652
Hes right, if a design has a goal and it fails to accomplish that goal its a bad design.
>b'cuz i liek it
Doesn't give anything merit.
Its fine if you like narutoad's design, but you just can't say that it's good for no other reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 07:28:51 No.22073049 Report

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Its strong. People like storng things, even if they are an abomination design wise. Also fags really seem to like the gen6 starters for some raisin

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 07:31:10 No.22073083 Report

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>>22070395
Best starter in years and your opinion is so wrong, this fucking frog was my nigga from day one and did not stop! This nigga doesn't quit!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 07:41:35 No.22073162 Report

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>>22070608
>he thinks frogs can chew
Opinion invalidated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 07:44:10 No.22073183 Report

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RIP bubblescarf, you will be missed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 07:49:38 No.22073211 Report

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>>22071983
l-lewd

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 07:53:32 No.22073231 Report

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>>22071269
This.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 08:09:15 No.22073309 Report

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>>22071983
my dick when these scenes

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Anonymous Sun 07 Dec 2014 10:57:28 No.22073464 Report

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The love for Greninja started with this.

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