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Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 04:54:13 No.22084754 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22084796 >>22084815 >>22084845 >>22084851 >>22084864 >>22085687

Why is creativity so lacking for its attack and speed forms?
Why no HP form?
Is Deoxys wasted potential?

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buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 08 Dec 2014 04:56:45 No.22084796 Report

Quoted By: >>22084865

>>22084754
The Attack/Speed forms aren't uncreative. The Speed Form has only single-stranded arms and is generally designed to look more aerodynamic. The attack forms has spikes on its legs and more whip-like arms and a crown that looks more menacing. Just because they aren't completely different like Defence-form doesn't make them uncreative and they're fine the way they are.

>HP Form
Uh, why would you want this?

I think their stats could be revamped to be more extreme what with power creep, but eh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 04:57:33 No.22084815 Report

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>>22084754
>Is Deoxys wasted potential?
nope it's actually one of GF's perfect Pokemon and you're just retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 04:59:36 No.22084845 Report

Quoted By: >>22084886

>>22084754
HP forme would not work for the same reason that Megas and all other forme changes never change base HP.
You either keep your current HP, or it's adjusted to fit the new base, and both would have problems.
Keeping it current = when you shift up to a higher base HP, you still have your old value so it's pointless until you heal
Adjusting = You could run into rollover negatives if you switch back to a lower base at very low HP. Or you'd just faint.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:00:07 No.22084851 Report

Quoted By: >>22085535

>>22084754
Lacking? I thought they were all awesome.

Attack reveals more of the black "inner structure", while chanelling the orange "outter shell" into broad shoulders and longer, sharper tentacles. Speed does away with almost all of the orange shell, focusing almost entirely on it's pelvis, implying a sacrifice of both power and defense for the sake of pure speed.

I feel like both of their designs visually represent their purposes extremely well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:00:58 No.22084864 Report

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>>22084754
>hating on deoxys
Shit taste

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:01:07 No.22084865 Report

Quoted By: >>22084926

>>22084796
Deoxys-A still has the best offenses of any non mega and Deoxys S still has the best Speed. Deoxys D never had the best defenses but it's fast and balanced. I don't think power creep has done all that much.

That said, just wait for Stance Change Mega Deoxys

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:03:22 No.22084886 Report

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>>22084845
Automatically heal when you change its forme. It's not like the meteors are anywhere where it would matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:03:41 No.22084891 Report

Quoted By: >>22084911 >>22084934

What was it like when people first found out that Deoxys had multiple forms?
Ruby and Sapphire came out when game dumps began, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:05:24 No.22084911 Report

Quoted By: >>22084928

>>22084891
Deoxys was always Normal in R/S.

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buttscab !!TORtoOQMEfy Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:06:13 No.22084926 Report

Quoted By: >>22084959

>>22084865
That's actually a really cool idea. Deoxys changed forms in-battle in a manga chapter, so maybe if its mega had an ability that swapped from 50/190/40/190/40/190 whenever it was attacking and 50/80/190/80/190/110 when it's hit by an attack or using a status move that'd be amazing if not broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:06:23 No.22084928 Report

Quoted By: >>22084958 >>22084965

>>22084911
If you fight someone with Leaf Green isn't it Defense?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:06:52 No.22084934 Report

Quoted By: >>22084976

>>22084891
We had gamedumps, but the other forms of Deoxys were game-exclusive so we didn't find out about Attack and Defense until Fr/Lg, nor Speed until Emerald.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:07:31 No.22084943 Report

Quoted By: >>22084976

>Mega Deoxys
>Only thing that breaks Anything Goes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:08:37 No.22084958 Report

Quoted By: >>22084993

>>22084928
It technically was, and it had the stats, but on the R/S side you'd see it as its normal form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:08:41 No.22084959 Report

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>>22084926

Better yet, it changed forms in-battle in the anime, which is more canon than the comics. Stance Change would be a fabulous idea from a flavor standpoint.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:08:55 No.22084965 Report

Quoted By: >>22084993

>>22084928
It appears (to the R/S player) to be Deoxys-N but has the stats of Deoxys-D, IIRC.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:10:05 No.22084976 Report

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>>22084943
Thanks for reminding me how shitty shiny Deoxys is.
>>22084934
That's... Horrible, actually. What's the point of multiple Deoxy if you can't make them fight each other?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:11:25 No.22084993 Report

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>>22084965
>>22084958
I wonder if GameFreak even had multiple forms planned in RS.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:14:00 No.22085027 Report

Quoted By: >>22085043

Why doesn't shiny Deoxys just switch its red and blue

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:15:44 No.22085043 Report

Quoted By: >>22085608

>>22085027

Because It's orange and teal

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 05:55:41 No.22085535 Report

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>>22084851
>orange
Anon, Deoxys is red.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 06:01:48 No.22085608 Report

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>>22085043
Teal is just a shade of blue that is closer to green on the spectrum and Deoxys is most definitely not orange, you insufferable faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 06:07:16 No.22085687 Report

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>>22084754
>Why no HP form?
It's called Blissey.

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Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 06:12:14 No.22085748 Report

Quoted By: >>22085798

>Still no form changing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 06:16:16 No.22085798 Report

Quoted By: >>22085840

>>22085748
form change as its new signature ability
>status moves change to defense
>Offensive change to attack
>priority change to speed
>enters combat in normal form

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 06:19:58 No.22085840 Report

Quoted By: >>22085912

>>22085798
whats even the point of the speed form
especially with priority attacks

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 06:25:30 No.22085912 Report

Quoted By: >>22086031

>>22085840
strat
>out sped
>use e speed
>now are faster than the pokemon that you weren't before
think creatively

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 08 Dec 2014 06:34:22 No.22086031 Report

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>>22085912
e speed outspeeds it anyway, but lowers your defense and attacks apparently and assuming the opponent will likely survive itll kill you in one hit
thats not even creative, its just dumb

here's a speed deoxys set

Stealth Rock
Taunt
Spikes
Knock Off / Magic Coat

Here's Deoxys Defence
Stealth Rock
Taunt
Spikes
Thunder Wave

See a pattern?
Guess which is used more.

.. and here's Deoxys Attack
Psycho Boost
Low Kick / Superpower
Ice Beam / Knock Off
Extreme Speed / Hidden Power Fire

Deoxys-Attack needs extreme speed because it's frail and needs to kill quick, you're basically telling it to not kill anything and just die.

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