We nat dex with blue pentagon now.
"Players may use Pokémon from the National Pokédex, from No. 001–719, that are caught in the game, transferred from a previous Pokémon title, or received at an official event or distribution
The following Pokémon may not be on a player’s team:
150 – Mewtwo
151 – Mew
249 – Lugia
250 – Ho-Oh
251 – Celebi
382 – Kyogre
383 – Groudon
384 – Rayquaza
385 – Jirachi
386 – Deoxys
483 – Dialga
484 – Palkia
487 – Giratina
489 – Phione
490 – Manaphy
491 – Darkrai
492 – Shaymin
493 – Arceus
494 – Victini
643 – Reshiram
644 – Zekrom
646 – Kyurem
647 – Keldeo
648 – Meloetta
649 – Genesect
716 – Xerneas
717 – Yveltal
718 – Zygarde
719 – Diancie
Pokémon must be placed in the Battle Box
Pokémon are allowed to Mega Evolve.
Pokémon may not hold the item Soul Dew.
Pokémon above Level 50 are permitted, but they are auto-leveled down to 50 for the duration of battle.
Players may use Pokémon with Hidden Abilities.
Players may use items that have been officially released via Pokémon X, Pokémon Y, Pokémon Omega Ruby, Pokémon Alpha Sapphire, the Pokémon Global Link, or an official event or promotion.
In addition to the requirements outlined in section 10.1, Pokémon used in the Standard format must have a blue pentagon in the Pokémon summary screen. This indicates that the Pokémon was caught during regular gameplay, hatched from an Egg, obtained within the game, or was officially gifted in either Pokémon X, Pokémon Y, Pokémon Omega Ruby, or Pokémon Alpha Sapphire."
source:
http://nuggetbridge.com/forums/topic/11082-2015-vgc-rules-published/#entry153529
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>same as Battle Spot doubles well that's kinda boring, but at least there will be a permanent ladder
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>>22181044 as opposed to the literal nightmare that would be hoenn dex, i can take it. plus being able to actually ladder in game is amazing.
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>>22181044 Having a permanent in-game ladder > having a "cool" ruleset
Not being able to practice on anything other than Showdown for half of last year was terrible.
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HAHA TIME FOR GENIES
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>>22180989 THE GENIES
THE GENIES
CRESSELIA
THE GENIES
THE GENIES
THEY'RE BACK
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>>22181054 I was expecting pre-E4 Hoenn national dex
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>>22181069 Thundurus-I and Landorus-T are still going to be the cunts they were in 13, but at least we don't have to worry about Defiant Flying Gem Tornadus anymore.
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>>22181088 >M-Mawile vs M-Manetric: the battle of trick room control: the metagame VGC2014 worked because it had a good range of choice, Hoenn only meta would be hell on earth.
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>>22181111 pre-E4 national dex as in Hoenndex + Pokemon caught in mirage spots and dexnav, that would have been similar variety to 2014 but still banned some important stuff to make it interesting
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>phione still banned >its base stats are the same as regular glalie >glalie was so weak that he basically had to get a mega
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sticky this shit mods
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>genies in >cresselia in >heatran in OH BOY
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>>22181191 cress and heatran aren't nearly as prominent as 2013, at least from what i've played of battlespot doubles so far. bulky passive mons like cress don't work as well due to megas/powercreep in general.
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Quick question: is Mega Mence worth it as a Mega in VGC, or should I just use regular mence since it's good enough and find another mega?
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>>22181225 they go into effect jan 1st (so any events after this time will be vgc 2015), but they're oras league battlespot doubles so you can start laddering on cart straight away.
>>22181233 mega mence is fantastic, definitely worth using. without a doubt going to be one of, if not the strongest mons in the format
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>Players may use Pokémon from the National Pokédex, [...] transferred from a previous Pokémon title >Pokémon used in the Standard format must have a blue pentagon in the Pokémon summary screen What? So by previous titles do they mean Pokemon from XY then? Sorry for being retarded.
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>>22180989 Oh boy cant wait for dumbasses to use genies and cresselia and suck all of the fun out of everything yet again
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>>22181266 Basically any Pokemon caught or bred in XY or ORAS. The species can be found from another game, just breed one in 6th gen and it's good to go.
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>>22181288 thanks for bumping :^)
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>>22181288 have fun playing smogon singles scrub
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have people complaining about genies actually played vgc? if you made it through kang in XY you shouldn't even have a problem with genies.
>>22181288 ebin
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>Genies allowed >Cresselia allowed >Heatran allowed >Salamence allowed The only way it could have been worse is if Deoxys was allowed.
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Hitmontop, Breloom, Volcarona and Excadrill are back. Fucking finally!
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>>22181317 probably not. kang was definitely more annoying than any genie and even kang it's just like, deal with it bitch. run mega mawile. no use complaining about it
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>>22181317 the difference is the genies can be thrown on any team
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As good a time to ask as any: what's the best nature for Cresselia if I may or may not run Trick Room depending on the circumstances? Sassy with 0 speed IVs? Bold?
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>>22181338 Heatran is easier to deal with now thanks to the Steel nerf.
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>>22181338 have you people even been playing battle spot doubles? heatran/cresselia/thundurus/tornadus aren't even top 12 in usage. probably pretty damn low in usage
http://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/battle/oras/#double Anonymous
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>>22181363 Play it with 31 Speed IV. Cress has a good speed, and you should play it with Icy Wind, btw.
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>>22181317 The genies don't take up a Mega slot, nigga.
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Evil Master Vyro !22M2wEkk5k
What are some cool ways to use my bro Hydreigon in doubles? Is Tailwind viable on him?
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Would a team of six of the same Pokemon be allowed?
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>>22181438 so? the point is kang was (and still is judging by the usage rankings) more ubiquitous than genies ever were.
>>22181446 i'm running specs at the moment because it works for my team, but tailwind is definitely an option.
>>22181468 no.
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>>22181446 Depending on how much Latios gets used it's pretty fun to put a scarf on it and wreck every single Latios that tries to hit me.
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>>22181442 T-wave/Taunt
HP Ice
Thunderbolt/Taunt
Protect/T-wave/Taunt.
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>>22181446 >Tailwind Nigga just give that mofo a Timid nature, max out that Speed, and give him a Choice Scarf.
Or if you're ballsy, Choice Specs.
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>>22181483 choice specs is probably better but scarf is very usable. in vgc 2014 specs was the best and most used item and just looking at usage stats its the most used on BS dubs. but it also depends on your team, your specs may be taken or you may want the speed scarf offers
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>>22181370 That sweet neutral Ghost/Dark hit when the strongest common moves the types have sport 80 base power… it doesn't change a fucking thing.
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>>22181481 Timid nature I guess? T-Wave is probably best now due to the amount of Mega Salamence we'll most likely see.
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>>22181479 Get ready for le scarfed Lati@s.
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>>22181505 Bold @ Sitrus
You want to make it defensive, since it's mostly going to be taking advantage of Prankster and it has enough Special Attack to get by with little or no investment.
Swagger is also another option over Taunt in the last slot.
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>>22181503 >what is knock off >what is limiting its switch in/set up potential for subs >>22181442 i'm planning on running a bulky calm one when i can get it (bought ruby), t-wave, taunt, t bolt and either hp ice or protect
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>>22181503 >what is Knock Off I'm seriously about to play a protect-game around Bisharp. He'll be one-shotting everything, especially given how common Intimidate will be.
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>>22181550 Bisharp's already gotten popular at the moment, will definitely be a big threat this format.
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>>22181540 nah, timid and calm are the two big natures right now. for defensive I would use calm, for offensive life orb I would use timid
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Finally, time to lose epically with my shitmon bros!
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>>22181446 Surf, ideally with Rain active.
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>>22181550 Intimidate may be a bit more common now that we have Mega Salamence and Landorus-T but I don't think Bisharp can survive Double Battles.
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>>22181566 There's people who did incredibly good with Delcatty or Lileep at Worlds (not this hear), just git gud wreck them all with your shitty bros.
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>>22181579 Bisharp's always been a pretty good but not great pick. The meta is extremely favorable for it at the moment, though, and it's definitely something to at least prepare for.
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>>22181579 >but I don't think Bisharp can survive Double Battles it's currently 8th in usage but alright
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>>22181579 >>22181595 bisharp is good enough that Sejun won Korean nationals with it this year and brought it to worlds in 2012
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>>22181550 130 Power STAB Fling while holding an Iron Ball. Fling the Iron Ball or hold onto it for TR purposes.
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>>22181595 Always really was something to look out for.
But I think I'll be using my Terrakion a lot because I HATE Heatran so much.
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>>22181579 No one wants to loose a pokemon with a +1 LO Adamant Bisharp Sucker Punch. If you are using Sharpie your opponent will never lead with Intimidate, keep that on your mind.
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>>22181622 >>>>>>>>>>iron ball bisharp don't do this. stop posting.
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>>22181550 >>what is Knock Off A move that needs Bisharp to hold a Life Orb to 2HKO Heatran with no defense investment more than 6.25% of the time.
>what is Mach Punch >what is not being sashed Anonymous
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>>22181641 if that were true no one would use it. do you even play vgc?
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So wait. That means they don't care if pokemons are hacked ?
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>>22181674 What do you mean?
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>>22181647 Although it is worth noting there aren't that many Mach Punch users.
But anything that could learn Mach Punch can take a Sucker Punch. Any team mates that could help it out with that?
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So forgive me for not knowing my shit, but what do you get for winning VGc tournaments? Is it all just pokemon related prizes or do they do cash?
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>>22181693 The winner of worlds gets 10k in scholarships
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>>22181674 Genned pokemons are banned because they can't be pentagon, powersaved pokemon are technically legal.
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>>22181693 $3500 scholarship
So basically you're doing it for fun.
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>>22181693 Scholarships. Nugget Bridge often hosts online tournaments and gives out prize money so there's that.
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>>22181693 you can also win travel stipends to cover transportation costs
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>>22181687 " that are caught in the game, transferred from a previous Pokémon title, or received at an official event or distribution"
Giving up the picky "Pokemon have to be born from the generation" seems pretty weird to me.
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Guys how do I team build? ;_;
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>>22181720 previous title = XY, it says right there that it needs the pentagon
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>>22181720 It says below that pentagon still applies, so previous games means XY.
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>Hitmontop is back >Hasn't Sucker Punch anymore Why, fucking why?
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Now that we have a format how do you sign up? Do I need to go to events or can I do rated battles from home? How do I into competitive battles?
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>>22181754 pentagon rule, its an old move from like gen 4. use technician thief top :^)
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>>22181734 Copy people and later modify as you see fit.
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>>22181756 Win points by partecipating at regional/national tournaments.
Wait for John's Gamefreak invitation for the Mondial Tournament.
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Do any VGCers do cloning and giveaways? I need some perfect legendaries and am already sick of SRing
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trista is my waifu :3
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>>22181772 Nah, I'll run an Intimidate supporter one. Fake Out, Close Combat, Wide Guard/Quick Guard and Detect/Rock Slide/Aerial Ace.
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>>22181756 You'll need to go to events. There will be online competitions that have them too, but you won't be able to win a trip to Worlds with them.
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>>22181805 Item for Top? I'm thinking about Sitrus, LO or Eject Button.
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So what do you think the meta will look like based off of battle spot doubles?
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>>22180989 VGC: THE TEAM
>GENIE >GARCHOMP >CRESSELIA >HEATRAN >HITMONTOP >FLAVOR MON Anonymous
So guys, what are going to be the main treats this time around? Cresselia and the genies will be popular for sure. Heatran will be around because it easily shits on Mawile and gets a nice boost from Zard. I guess scarfed Mamoswine has some reasons to be in there too. What do you think about Mega-Mence?
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>>22181756 you can do rated battles on ranked battle spot doubles.
>>22181800 take them to a powersaves bread when you see people online.
>>22181845 we 2013 now?
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>>22181830 >not carrying Safeguard >not carrying Taunt Look at this faggot.
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http://pastebin.com/Q5fNHbSz Alright faggots, what do you think?
I think I've accounted for nearly everything, just not sure on the movesets.
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>>22181846 Mega Mence for fucking power, Altaria for its balk and sinergy, all the pseudos minus Dragonite, physical TTar is useful again, Trick Room coming in harder than ever
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>>22181800 this
I'd love perfect genies, perfect cresselia and perfect Entei.
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>>22181874 >Bisharp without Sucker Punch Anonymous
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>>22181874 Forgot to fix stats after removing HP Fire from Sceptile, so ignore that.
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>>22181845 >I haven't played battle spot at all cress/heatran/hitmontop aren't seeing much usage dipshit, the only genie in the top 12 is lando and chomp is only at #12 in usage
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>mfw testing a team built around MSceptile It's shit but fun when it works
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>>22181845 >Thundurus Not nearly as good as it used to be.
>Garchomp Landorus-T does everything Garchomp does but better.
>Cresselia Has no offensive presence to supplement its bulk.
>Heatran The only actually good Pokemon on this list.
>Hitmontop Really, really misses Fighting Gem and Sucker Punch.
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>>22181874 run sash instead of air balloon on bisharp. mamo shits on most of your team. change nature on zapdos to timid or modest based on your moveset. those are the things that come to mind right off the bat. also ludicolo is generally better than swampert as a swift swimmer
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>>22181874 I'd put a ferro instead of sceptile.
But I guess you put it there because you really want to use it.
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>>22181897 What would you replace for it? As I said, unsure about the movesets, plus, it seems too predictable. A lot of the things I'd want to kill with priority anyway have priority of their own and are faster.
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>>22181948 >Has no offensive presence to supplement its bulk. I agree with the rest but come on, you don't pick up Cresselia because you want offensive presence.
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>>22181688 Life Orb Infernape
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>>22181969 The point is that its support options no longer make up for the fact that it's dead weight offensively, unlike in 13.
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>>22181954 5/6 get wrecked by Sylveon, replace one of the dragons
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Just when we thought we were free from the clutches of mega kanga and rotom they include the who fucking dex, landorus-t and cresselia everywhere now
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>>22181954 >ray's chomp from 2012 why? it was built to survive timid dragon gem draco from latios, and latios isn't seeing usage this year
>ray's rotom-w better to go with a bulkier set, this isn't 2012 nigga. seems solid overall. maybe a bit fairy/slyveon weak. definitely gonna rely on that mawile to beat sylvy which surprisingly is at #6 in usage on bs
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>>22181950 Yeah the Zapdos thing was just a mind-slip on my part, meant to be Timid.
I thought about Sash, but I figured since it's a doubles game it wouldn't really mean much. I guess the same could be said about Air Balloon since one tap removes either, but I just didn't want to get taken out by a common DisQuake or something. You're right about Mamo though, so I'll tweak it.
And I put Swampert instead of Ludicolo because I noticed I was a bit vulnerable to Scizor, and didn't want to expand on that, especially if rain is out.
>>22181951 Yeah, I wanted to Sub + Discharge with Zapdos. I felt like Ferro might be too much of a sitting duck.
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So Special Landorus-T or Physical? No Earthquake or Rock Slide but I don't gotta deal with Intimidate, Charm, or Burn and I have a decent HP Ice.
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>>22182004 sylveon user here, it's really not surprising why it's used so much. great special bulk even when uninvested, access to support like helping hand, spread pixilate hyper voice that hits hard, has good synergy with a lot of things.
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>>22182038 Physical, sheer force is illegal for pentagon caught making special useless
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>give zygarde an exclusive move that's pointless to use over earthquake outside of doubles/triples >it's banned from the premier doubles format despite not being an event mon and not being over 600 BST why
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>>22182045 eh, its just so slow. I've never had much trouble beating it.
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>>22180989 >Genie Cancer is back >Beat-Up Terrkion will be a legit thing that still works against high-level opponents Kill me, but then we got...
>Cresselia, the Trick Room God Sadly, I'll take this trade-off despite how mad I am Anonymous
>>22182068 Rather than complaining about what you don't have why don't you make due with what is available?
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Will pic related be allowed?
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>>22182090 Even worse now
>Parental Bond Sucker Punch on partner Terrakion Anonymous
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>>22182109 Only if you're Ray Rizzo.
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>>22182055 Shiny in a Premier Ball or Regular in a Repeat Ball? >>22182116 Oh shit.
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>>22182109 >Ray "Mr. Dream" Rizzo >changing rules Anonymous
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Sadly I don't think my Eruption Typhlosion strategy will ever be useful again thanks to Heatran/Terrakion. The VGC's during 4th Gen were so fun thanks to that. Ah well. (Mainly due to the fact that everyone forgot it had Eruption and was fast.) I think I may try to participate this year though if I can think up a good team.
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Oh boy, I sure can't wait for those Heatran/Cresselia/Genie/Genie teams to dominate the meta once again. And people say legendaries don't overcentralize the metagame.
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>>22182091 nope sorry the 30 seconds i took compiling that post used up all my vgc time
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>>22182172 IT'S OK I GOT THIS
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>>22181756 Depending on where you are, you can also go to Premier Challenges. These are smaller local tournaments that have less CP as prizes, but you can often get shit like card booster packs or if the TO is cool things like little figurines or charms.
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mega mawile / support bold latias with speed control (/ sylveon) good core to start with?
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>>22182174 Well then I guess you won't be having
fun with us in VGC.
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>>22182205 Mamoswine, Garchomp
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>>22182172 if it's not the genies it's m kang or m mence or garchomp. there are gonna be centralizing threats in literally any format.
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>>22182224 As additions or threats?
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>>22182252 Threats. They can go after either of your mons, so you need something to account for them.
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>>22182272 Not that anon, but pretty much every team is weak to mamoswine; ground/ice is just too good
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>>22182004 >>22181996 Ditched Garchomp and kept Hydreigon. Will search for a Pokemon that can cockblock every fairy in the game, maybe heatran or aegislash but HP Ground might be a thing for the former. Will change the spread for Rotom-W or just pick something else to fight against rain. Thanks, this threads actually help people unlike the Smogon shitposting ones.
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>>22182290 on rotom a good spread is calm nature EV'd to survive zard y's solarbeam. i've come across zard a few times on battlespot, definitely still something to prepare for.
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Will Mega Kanga survive this year? Also, daily reminder that Prankster Thundurus is faster than Meowstic so good luck getting a Safeguard up before getting T Waved.
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How viable are moves that hit two targets like Heat Wave or Rock Slide? I don't see them get used all that often so is it that they suck?
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>>22182323 Mega Gallade
Mega Sceptile. Alternatively, Manectric.
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>>22180989 I want to use Audino in this format. Is there something that it can do better that anyone else?
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>>22182323 nobody is using autism cat nigga
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>>22182341 They lose a bit of power, but Rock Slide is used all the time.
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>>22182341 you must be playing against shitters, they're great moves to have. just watch out for wide guard users.
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>>22182341 Very viable just dont use them in front of an obvious Wide Guard user
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>>22182290 rotom-w isn't gonna be much of an answer for rain in 2015 my man, kingdra was the popular rain sweeper in 2012 which is why Ray used the rotom set he did. but now that ludicolo is the premier rain sweeper, rotom-w doesn't do that job so well. However, you can still run some speed on rotom-w to outspeed certain threats including ludicolo. I just wouldn't use max speed since that spread is meant to outspeed kingdra which isn't a thing this year
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>>22182341 Very viable. Aerodactyl is a huge threat because of Rock Slide. Heat Wave is less common since Char-Y (and thanks to move tutors, some of the non-Fire Flyers) really uses it.
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>>22182341 Rock slide is top tier.
Heat Wave is meh.
Don't you ever try to make a multi-hit move centered team because they suck.
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>>22182376 Got it, will find something else. Maybe Lapras just for now.
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>>22182387 i'm running it on heatran at the moment, it's bretty gud
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>>22180989 someone post a gay meta as fuck set that i can copy paste
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>>22182323 Better T-Waved once than having the whole team crippled.
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I have an idea of using Pokemon with type changing moves (Forest's Curse, Soak, Trick or Treat) along with a strong attacker mon that uses moves that are super effective against the types the other moves give. Obviously this would take a lot of set up and I'm not entirely sure what pokemon to use for this other than the obvious Gourgeist and Trevenant. Thoughts?
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>>22182437 it's more likely to get taunted than t-waved, so good luck getting up that safeguard in the first place
unless you run mental herb Anonymous
>>22182436 Pick every MVP/Top treat and attach them with some dutch tape to make a team.
Lose everytime.
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>>22182109 >wonder what this is >google it was there seriously fucking drama about an illegal ball
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>>22182323 daily reminder that meowstic is the only pokemon with a fake out that can block every fake out in the game
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>>22182452 I ran a balk cat with 0 speed and mental herb past year.
Put safeguard.
Swagger my mon.
Spam charm on the physical opponent.
Swagger the special opponents.
Run protect from time to time because the opponent would get fucking pissed and try to kill the cat.
Eventually get hit once, survive.
Shit was fun.
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>>22182393 >Don't you ever try to make a multi-hit move centered team because they suck I'm sorry, but were you there when Garchomp/Charizard-Y was a thing? Earthquake/Rock Slide and Heat Wave did some massive damage together.
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>>22182457 no thanks i got my copy paste team here
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>>22182468 Pretty much.
I know it's just a ball but how can we (say we) respect VGC if they let any sort of hacks go through?
>>22182470 Even Raichu?
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>>22182470 Nope, Ludicolo. Rain Mode is Politoed + Ludicolo for a reason.
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>>22182451 A Canadian player used a Scarf Soak Lanturn + Mega Manectric throughout VGC14 to decent effect. The idea was to Soak a target with Lanturn and then Discharge with Mega Manectric, dealing a ton of damage to that target and healing Lanturn (plus spreading Paralysis). He actually just won a tournament recently with the team.
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>>22182493 >>22182492 Prankster gives meowstic's Quick Guard +4 priority you dweebs
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>>22182502 Oh, I misunderstood what you were saying.
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>>22182470 >>22182492 >>22182493 shit I see what you mean, meant to type
>only pokemon with a quick guard that can block etc Anonymous
>>22182468 The point is that you fucked up, it doesn't matter if it doesn't change the meta.
It's known that in VGC basically everyone gens their mons, but at the same time everyone signs a contract where they know that if they fuck up in any minimal way they deserve to be banned.
Also the judges of the match where Rizzo's friend and openly admitted on IRC that if it wasn't Rizzo there would have been a ban in there.
Luckily Karma made so Rizzo would get steamrolled by everyone.
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>No more awful Kalos Dex limit Even genies can't ruin this.
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>>22182502 You should've clarified. It sounded like you were planning on using Fake Out on other Fake Out users to stun them.
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>>22182502 >"block with fake out" >quick guard Anonymous
>>22182468 VGC players (read: nuggetbridge fags) are super anal about hacks even if they are technically legal and pass the legality test. this was an obvious hack but they'd get super butthurt if you brought a shiny trio legendary with perfect iv's.
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>>22182534 >>22182534 Nigga I'm a VGC player and I'm using my PowerSaves right now. You think I'm gonna spend 4 or 5 days soft resetting for IVs?
All those other fags can put in all the work they want but they shouldn't be crying about what others do with their Pokemon.
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>>22182534 The only people who seemed to have a problem with it were the autists on 4chan and Serebii. Most competitive players don't give a shit about something as stupid as a different ball, considering it doesn't add any competitive advantage whatsoever.
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Question: Did Sejun use his Worlds team all throughout starting from his region? At what point do you have to stick to one team?
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>>22182571 >Nigga I'm a VGC player Screen name pls
Is it you, Jeudy? <3 Anonymous
>>22182571 I HEAR THAT DAWG I JUST CAUGHT ALL THE GENIES AND HEATRAN AND IM GONNA POWERSAVE THE FUCK OUTTA THEM
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>>22182581 Autists on 4chan doesn't really care, they just want to see succesful players get fucked
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So if prankster T-wave is coming back, how much use would one get out of a lightningrod mon this year? IIRC it doesn't protect an ally from enemy discharge but in theory a Sceptile-M or Raichu would be a useful switch in if you have some Twave/bolt bait in the second slot, like Gyarados or something. Also where are people getting the BS usage stats from? Kind of curious how people choose between Mamoswine and Weavile. Mamo has da balk and elec immunity, but Weavile packs fake out and muh stab Knock off. Low kick still wreks bulky tyranitar too, but Mamo can pack Superpower for that too
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>>22182592 sejun used a rain team throught his region
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>>22182595 >like a vgc player will actually admit their screenname on fucking /vp/ >the site that still gives ray shit for the aegislash ball not even the guy that posted that but there's a reason people don't go around shouting it publicly.
Anonymous
>>22182595 since when does saying "I'm a VGC player" mean you are someone noteworthy?
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>>22182596 Fuck yeah son all I need is that bitch Cresselia and I'm all set to fuck some niggas up.
Anonymous
Will we see Mega Metagross?
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>>22182534 >>22182571 >>22182581 >defending the fag If he's going to hack he should've been smart about it. I don't care if someone cheats to get their pokemon but when they do stupid shit that shows off to the world that their pokemon is hacked then they deserve to be shat on for it. Not for cheating/hacking but for being fucking dumbasses
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>>22182662 i'm using one at the moment and it's pretty great. adamant with a bulky spread but some might prefer speed, it has a lot of decent options. having clear body in base form is great for intimidate leads as well.
Anonymous
>>22182653 Calling yourself a VGC rather than a Pokémon player at least shows you take VGC seriously and probably travel to a number of events, and probably maintain some presence on NB or similar as well.
But that guy could still be some shitter.
I hoped for it to be Jeudy though, he's cute. Anonymous
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>>22182659 Word word I need that bitch too
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And meanwhile NB forums are kill.
Anonymous
>>22182733 No, a VGC player is somebody who plays, at the very least, mainly in the VGC format.
Anonymous
>>22182765 Which you mainly do at events, since there has been no online ladder for it since May this year.
Showdown doesn't count. Anonymous
Just started to play vgc2014 recently and now I'm lost. How do I learn VGC basics plz ?
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>>22182855 You know you can, like, contact people to have battles with. Right?
Anonymous
>Anti-legendary team >Did alright in the Aus VGC Regionals >Now this Welp, time to restructure my team. What are some good normal types that can survive the current trends?
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>>22182914 why normal types in particular?
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>>22182921 My team's pretty prone to shadow balls.
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>>22182914 I don't know but I want to see somebody do something with Mega Audino.
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>>22182914 Lopunny maybe? If you don't have a mega.
Anonymous
>>22182914 MEGA
KANGA
now with drain punch, low kick, and elemental punches!
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>>22182914 M-Lopunny can break most Ghost-types and outspeed a large portion of the uunboosted meta.
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> NATIONAL DEX > Move Tutors > Genies AGAIN > Mega Mence, Bro, Kanga, Gallade Fuck. 2015 is going to be suffering.
Anonymous
Bruh trick room cress wilth mega mawile im ready
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>>22183007 i faced someone using a team based around that, the combo with mawile getting helping hand boosts from cress is pretty damn powerful.
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>>22182968 But why would you run a non Salamence Mega?
Anonymous
>>22183100 because megamence will be overprepared for
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>>22182489 >M-Khanga Enjoy losing.
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>all these posts talking about TR cress well shit not ten minutes ago i just caught a timid 31/x/31/x/31/30 cresselia to cover dual screens am i shit outta luck or can i turn it into a good TRer?
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>>22183154 >Timid >dual screens Prankster users are better for that
Cress should always be defensive
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>>22183154 >speed IVs on Cresselia For what purpose
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>>22183100 Mega Mence to truly sweep needs a setup.
Setupping in VGC is pretty hard.
Also till now every mence ever had speed insecurity to the point 90% of the people would run it timid and scarfed just to dracometeor other mences.
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>>22183154 What's the SpA?
You could probably trade that for a good TR one.
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>>22182880 Battle and tweak your team until you understand the meta around you.
Also read reports from nugget bridge when they come to get an idea of how the meta changes.
Anonymous
>>22183227 M-Mence in VGC is going to be more threatening because of Aerialate Hyper Voice than DD Return.
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>>22183107 >implying you can prep for M-Mence Anonymous
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>>22183154 cress is fine with speed IVs, especially for hp fire / just not TR
but timid... kek
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>>22183259 battle spot doubles has bisharp and mamoswine out the wazoo
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>>22183258 Except Aerilate Hyper Voice is pretty damned weak. You're much better off running Double Edge or Return on a Mixed set than going full Special.
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>>22183258 Of fuck, forgot about that
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>>22183258 double edge/mixed is better than special
Anonymous
>>22182581 >>22182571 The point is not that.
The point is:
If it were you who got busted for putting wrong balls on a pokémon you would've get banned because unlike Rizzo you're not friends with the referee.
I powersave my shit too, but I take the time to doublecheck my stuff.
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>>22183273 And? Neither will ever kill Mence with their primary STAB's nor outspeed it and only work against one variation of Mence.
At best they'll cripple it and then fall to Mence itself or it's partner.
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>>22183323 >If it were you who got busted for putting wrong balls on a pokémon you would've get banned because unlike Rizzo you're not friends with the referee. This isn't the case at all, Ray's mons passed hack checks at nationals because surprise, they don't check for something as insignificant as an incorrect pokeball
https://www.facebook .com/ray.rizzo.5/posts/10204350183862539
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Is there anything not gimmicky capable of OHKO-ing Cresselia outright? I need a more effective way to deal with things like the aforementioned m-mawile tr combo.
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>>22183407 like I've said many times in this thread, cresselia isn't seeing much usage at all on BS doubles so if that's any indication of the 2015 meta you won't need to worry about ti. that said, maybe specs hydreigon? probably not but I haven't looked at the calcs. life orb bisharp knock off after an intimidate boost? aegislash also walls cress for days
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>>22183407 +1 252+ Atk Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Cresselia: 228-270 (100.4 - 118.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
bisharp can after intimidate, assuming cress is spdef
outside of that, I don't think anything can
specs hydreigon does max like 96%
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>>22183407 aegislash, bisharp, hydreigon, anything with taunt renders it completely useless.
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>>22183407 You'll be hard pressed there, to OHKO the average Cress you pretty much need something super effective with 130+ base attack and a 100+ BP move.
So basically even a Life Orb'd Knock Off from Bisharp would still fail to kill by quite a bit. The alternative and less gimmicky way to kill would be to find something which can do at least 65%ish+ to Cress (which opens your options) and simply give it a Helping Hand boost.
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>>22183450 >Ever running a Cress without defense Please...realistically any Cress built for maximum fatness wouldn't disregard defense. Only offensive variations would even dream of doing that.
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>use Gardevoir as a Trick Room setter >EV spread from nuggetbridge barely survives MKangaskhan's Return >also came up with a spread for Parasect which does the same >now all the Kangaskhans run Double-Edge instead ;_; I guess I'll have to use Stantler instead, or SR for a good Cresselia.
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I thought of something that isn't too gimmicky to OHKO cress, iron ball fling ttar. ryosuke even used it at worlds 2013 252+ Atk Iron Ball Tyranitar Fling (130 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Cresselia: 216-254 (95.1 - 111.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO but again, cress isn't some monster you need to prepare out the ass for. it likely won't even be used that much
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>>22183407 >252+ Atk Choice Band Heracross Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 210-248 (92.5 - 109.2%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO Both being at the same EVs, Mega Heracross only has an 18% chance to OHKO with Pin Missile (and likely won't get that chance, since most Cress run Sitrus over Leftovers).
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>>22183500 eh, I tried parasect and honestly its not good at all. I thought wide guard would be extremely valuable with all the lando but its not. I barely used it. and you miss the bulk from amoonguss a whole lot. with that typing and defenses, parasect is paper
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>lando t, thundurus, and mega mence/kang/maw can all be in the same team
Anonymous
252+ Atk Mega Heracross Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 210-250 (92.5 - 110.1%) -- approx. 18.8% chance to OHKO
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>>22183500 Or you could just simply use a Ghost like anyone who wants to disregard Khan does and not run into it's Sucker Punch.
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>>22183531 I know. ;_;
It's just that it's one of my favourite Pokémon, and I hate Amoonguss with a passion (for being ugly as fuck, and superior to Parasect in every conceivable way).
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>>22183539 >pin missile >sitrus berry you're never getting the KO on most cress with multi-hit moves
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>>22180989 So wait, has anyone actually used a whole team of swagplay/t-wave klefkis at one of these things?
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>>22183565 Plenty.
And they usually pay for it by getting raped to kingdom come as it backfires on them.
Anonymous
I hope Zarel implements this soon, I really want to start testing shit
Anonymous
>>22183602 it's ORAS battle spot doubles
lol
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>>22183602 it's already implemented, just go on the battlespot doubles ladder on showdown or even cart if you have mons bred, they're the exact same thing.
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>>22183602 >showdown kiddies Anonymous
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>>22183400 I'd still call bullshit on Ray for one reason:
Dream Balls were an important cue for whether some mons had their hidden ability in gen V. So it should actually be the ONE ball Ray should have been aware of. And its menu appearance is the same as in BW.
He can't claim he didn't know that this ball is special compared to the others.
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>The following moves are banned: >none in the trash it goes, have fun playing child mode pokemon.
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im glad phione is banned, shit's OP as hell and wrecks through everything in its path
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>>22183643 >implying all good VGC players don't use showdown for testing retard
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>>22183693 >implying anyone's going to use showdown now there's an ingame place to practice literally the only reason people would use showdown is because of the lack of ingame options.
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>>22183693 You don't really get to play against superior Japanese and Korean players there. So it's useless.
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>>22183693 >implying any of those good players would ask a question like that >implying 98% of the Showdown userbase isn't retarded Anonymous
To anyone that has experience oras battle spot doubles, how good is Sylveon? I see it's listed pretty high on every cart ladder sans singles. On paper, it seems pretty good but I want to hear from people who has experience.
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>>22183725 CHOICE SPECS
PIXILATE
HYPER VOICE
ONLY THINGS YOU NEED
Anonymous
>>22183716 That only starts to matter, for western players, as we approach worlds. Before then you won't be facing Japanese and Korean players at events.
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>>22183762 Many of the best Western players will make teams based on Japanese/Korean ones, though. This goes for early on in the season as well as at the end.
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>>22183801 ryosuke (2nd place 2013 worlds for the uneducated) is already top of the doubles ladder, pretty interested to see what kind of team he's running.
Anonymous
Is there any reason not to use M-Mence?
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>>22183821 >2nd place 2013 worlds for the uneducated >hurr durr I watched worlds 2013 so I'm going to act pedantic motherfucker we all did, we all know who gebebo is
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>>22180989 >transferred from a previous Pokémon title, or received at an official event or distribution >Pokémon used in the Standard format must have a blue pentagon in the Pokémon summary screen care to explain the contradiction?
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>>22183934 previous pokemon title being XY
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>the one cute chick in vgc is a homestuck nerd
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>>22183927 there are people in this thread who are literally just getting started, i could link to their post but there's no point. just because you know who he is doesn't mean new players won't
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>>22183943 Who the fuck is this?
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>>22183962 only 2 good genies are thundurus-i and landorus-t though
no hidden abilities means no defiant tornadus or sheer force landorus
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>>22183978 https://www.facebook .
com/themaski?fref=pymk
a female vgc player, she's pretty good and a qt :3
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>A player’s team cannot contain a Pokémon nicknamed with the name of another Pokémon (for example, an Unfezant named “Pidove”).
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>>22183978 a former senior who hasn't done anything relevant since 2011
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>>22184003 BUT SHE'S ADORABLE :333333333 almost as sexy as Ray
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>>22183900 There's the fact that everyone will be preparing for it, for one. Though even with that it's still massively powerful.
On that note, which megamance set do you guys see being the most common? Mixed physical with fire blast is what I'm guessing.
>>22183927 Anonymous
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>>22184000 I used to be a little shit back during the Red/Blue days and when there was team preview would name my mons after other things with the same icons.
Actually got me a win or two.
Feel bad about it now though.
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>>22184030 Didn't mean to link to that last anon, my bad
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>>22184030 d-dance set is apparently fantastic, expecting people to use that with redirection support. coverage isn't important when you can ko pretty much anything at +1
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Which pokémon do you think could work fine with Tailwind Suicune as a lead? I've thought Hydreigon and Terrakion, but not sure yet.
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>>22184369 maybe something that could beat ludicolo and bulky water types like rotom-w.
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>these genie tears who cares? they're not unbeatable. git gud
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>Genies now allowed Rev up those safeguards and lum berries
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Is Mega Salamence even that good? Sure, it gains Speed and a lot of Defense, but it only gains 10 Sp.Def and solidly gets outsped and one-shotted by Scarfmence's Draco Meteor, or anything with Ice Beam. Doesn't seem much better than good old Scarfmence to me.
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>special landorus is back i loved running that in '12 and '13
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>>22185072 You can't get Sheer Force on the pentagon Landorus. Lando-T is better
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>>22185106 oh
yeah that and HP Ice is 60bp instead of the 70 it used to be
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How much of a difference does a 31 IV make versus whatever the average would be, let's say a nice 20. I mean, what's really the difference in 10 points?
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>>22185956 >What is the difference between moving first or second Actually you don't even have a excuse to avoid some decent bred Pokemon considering the game literally tells you which are perfect or not.
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>>22181111 And then Mega Salamence wipes them both out.
don't kid yourself, intimidate doesn't stop it Anonymous
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>>22182519 Technically he could have bred it from a hacked parent that somebody else gave him, which I think is grounds to be disqualified from the tournament but not banned overall.
In fact very few players are properly banned. I think there are only two or three in the world, just having an illegal team doesn't do it.
Anonymous
Fuck SRing for legendaries, I'm using Powersave from now on. A genie or Cress is pretty much mandatory, and I don't have time to SR for a HP: Ice Thundy or a 0 Speed Cress or something dumb.
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>>22183565 Besides the fact that species clause exists, part of winning at VGC isn't being able to beat high-ranked players a lot of them time, it's being able to beat low-ranked players all of the time. Swagplay is shit for that.
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>>22183725 I've always looked at its stats and movepool and thought it somewhat lacking, then played against it and found it a bitch. Maybe it's just me constantly underestimating it, but I usually leave it alone, letting it set up sub or sometimes boosts, and then I just can't kill it.
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>>22186072 Just dont put them in a dreamball :^)
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So how are you going to be running Hydreigon this year?
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>>22181160 Are you trying to say you would use Phione if it wasn't banned? Didn't think so.
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whos ready I sure I am
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>tfw you have maximum special snowflake syndrome >can't play unless I'm doing it my way >can't copy the popular strategy without feeling like a shitter >no netdecking, gotta forge my own meta >can only ever get sort of marginally good because things are popular for a reason
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>>22187207 Then how about you don't use popular mons because they are popular, instead use them because they are good and are the best option for your team after researching what you want a pokemon in your team to do.
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>Genies. Cresselia and Heatran are back Fuck everything. I wouldn't mind them if powersave wasn't a thing. Now they're all going to be 6 IV, shiny, with pentagons. Kill me.
Anonymous
would you guys post in a VGC general if i set one up
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>>22183115 Mawile thread now
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>>22188117 Well this thread went full Gohan autisim rip
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Someone lemme know, some of the people on NB have been saying in official tourneys they can check powersaves, even if everything is legit (correct ball, legal IVs/EVs, etc.). People are saying they can check because there is some hidden value that is altered when altering via powersave. Is this true? Because SRing for legendaries is utter bullshit
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New bread fucking where
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>>22188422 they can probably check secret IDs, at least? but i''m not sur eif that's an issue for powersaves anymore
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>>22185956 >>22185985 Speed is crucial, but on any other stat it's not MUCH of a difference, though you'll still ideally want perfection since it could make the difference between getting OHKOd or 2HKOd.
Anonymous
>>22183716 Japs and Koreans are for the most part shit at Pokemon, just look at all the past results and murrica has more Worlds wins than every other country combined.
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>>22188641 Try looking at the online top rankings.