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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 20:09:58 No.22181839 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22183314 >>22183348 >>22183402 >>22183652

ITT: Make a shitmon better. You can change its stats around, but the BST has to be the same.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 20:11:01 No.22181851 Report

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Forgot to mention: no megas or evos.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 20:17:38 No.22181934 Report

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Give ledian huge power and bug/fighting typing with close combat and bam OU status

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40% !//v.13zk5M Mon 15 Dec 2014 20:18:28 No.22181946 Report

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HP - 52
Attack - 110 (+45)
Defense - 50 (-5)
Special Attack - 40 (-18)
Special Defense - 40 (-12)
Speed - 50 (-10)

Ability: Super Luck

Give it Sucker Punch and Extremespeed.

Stick + Super Luck = 100% crit rate on all moves in Gen 6

Extremespeed and Sucker Punch off base 110 Attack that always crits

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 20:24:27 No.22182021 Report

Quoted By: >>22182057 >>22183689

10/180/10/1/10/131

there.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 20:26:42 No.22182053 Report

Quoted By: >>22182102 >>22182872 >>22183778

Focus Blast.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 20:27:04 No.22182057 Report

Quoted By: >>22182166

>>22182021
>level 1 swinub used ice shard

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 20:27:58 No.22182070 Report

Quoted By: >>22182111

Corsola gets all of its abilities at once and 10 move slots

Corsola @ leftovers
252 HP/252 Def/4 SpD
Regenerator/Natural Cure/Hustle
-Recover
-Barrier
-Amnesia
-Head Smash
-Mirror Coat
-Power Gem
-Earth Power
-Rock Polish
-Ingrain
-Baton Pass

maybe now it'll be NU trash

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 20:30:23 No.22182102 Report

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>>22182053
>b-but it doesn't fit! why not just give every fire type v-create and every flying type dragon ascent! m-m-m-m-m-muh flavor!

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 20:31:10 No.22182111 Report

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>>22182070
Well, regenerator with rock polish, amnesia, barrier and baton pass seems good. Maybe not the best set, but it has its use.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 20:33:35 No.22182141 Report

Quoted By: >>22183541

Still has Sand Rush as its HA, but replace its standard Sand Veil with Tough Claws.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 20:35:42 No.22182166 Report

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>>22182057
252+ Atk Swinub Ice Shard vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Farfetch'd: 2-6 (1.2 - 3.7%) -- possibly the worst move ever

level 1 Swinub against level 100 Farfetch'd with those stats.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 20:39:51 No.22182221 Report

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Arbok
Type: Poison/Dark
Abilities: Adaptability
HP 60
Attack 110
Defense 45
Special Attack 33
Special Defense 85
Speed 105

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 20:40:30 No.22182229 Report

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aurorus' new hidden ability inverts its weaknesses and resistances.

doled around to some other ice types as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 20:45:11 No.22182296 Report

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>>22181934
>huge power off of 35 attack
>still a shitmon in every other way
uu at best
remember that before fairy typing azu was still uu, even with aqua jet and belly drum access

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 20:52:30 No.22182413 Report

Quoted By: >>22184046 >>22184281

Let's be reasonable about this gamefreak, these stats are not necessary. At least now it can do some damage and not just be a pivot.

HP: 1
Attack: 90 -> 130
Def: 45 -> 1
Sp.Attack: 30 -> 1
Sp. Def: 30 -> 1
Speed: 40 -> 102
BST: 236

Also I don't feel Wonder Guard should be affected by entry hazards or weather, but that's just me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 21:26:50 No.22182846 Report

Quoted By: >>22185196

Give Typhlosion No Guard and a couple less points in Attack and a couple more in Speed. Alternatively, release its hidden ability and give it Aura Sphere instead of Focus Blast.

Give Meganium Poison Heal and let it learn Amnesia. Now it's a specialized wall, and not just a really bad Venusaur/Roserade imitator.

For Feraligatr just release its hidden ability (sheer force). Instant UU, maybe even BL. You want more, let it learn Thunderpunch or Wild Charge for better coverage.

Let Omastar learn Magic Coat and suddenly he's the second coming of Deoxys Defense. The things nasty enough as it is, but imagine it able to reflect hazards and taunts back in addition to spewing spikes, rocks, and toxic spikes. Ugh.

Give Spiritomb Stealth Rock so he can spew hazards and spinblock at the same time. Then make his ability Filter or Solid Rock, so he can go back to having no real weakness, since that was the original appeal behind him.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 21:28:23 No.22182872 Report

Quoted By: >>22183229 >>22183553 >>22184846

>>22182053
Earth Power, while we're on it. Oh, and Boomburst. And Draco Meteor. And Sheer Cold.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 21:37:43 No.22183001 Report

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Let Garbodor learn Recover and replace Weak Armor with Sturdy. Now he can do that janky Red Card-Redcycle trick with the toxic spikes up and poison everyone.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 21:50:25 No.22183180 Report

Quoted By: >>22183350

Switch Glaceon's Defense and Speed Stats. Change it's Hidden Ability to Snow Warning. Then give it Nasty Plot, Freeze Dry, and Volt Switch or U-Turn (preferably Volt Switch). Should be workable.

Hell, just switching the defense and speed stats alone should do wonders for it. With only 65 base HP and only resisting Ice, that 110 defense stat isn't helping it in the slightest. And then it only has 65 Speed, so it's too slow to do anything before it gets smashed into itty bitty pieces.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 21:53:11 No.22183229 Report

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>>22182872
that would be great :D

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:00:26 No.22183314 Report

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>>22181839
fucking sniper holy shit. 52/117/55/3/2/123 for stats even if it's stupid mega beedrill-tier shit

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:03:57 No.22183348 Report

Quoted By: >>22183368

>>22181839
Dragalge original stats

HP: 65
Attack: 75
Defense: 90
Sp. Atk: 97
Sp. Def: 123
Speed: 44

"Better" Dragalge stats

HP: 80
Attack: 40
Defense: 90
Sp. Atk: 126
Sp. Def: 123
Speed: 35

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:04:07 No.22183350 Report

Quoted By: >>22183433

>>22183180
>Switch Glaceon's Defense and Speed Stats.
Literally Espeon.
>Then give it Nasty Plot, Freeze Dry, and Volt Switch or U-Turn (preferably Volt Switch).
Why not give it Boomburst, Extremespeed, Sacred Fire and Sketch while you're at it? Since, you know, nothing you suggested makes any sense.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:05:23 No.22183368 Report

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>>22183348
>dragalge
>shitmon
>adaptability draco meteor

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:08:37 No.22183402 Report

Quoted By: >>22183520 >>22183677 >>22184074 >>22184763

>>22181839
Unown

>Each form now only learns moves that start with their letter (Unown A can learn Acrobatics, Absorb, Ancient Power, Aqua Jet, etc)
>Protean as a Hidden Ability

Unown is now an interesting Pokémon.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:10:59 No.22183433 Report

Quoted By: >>22183842

>>22183350
I can understand thinking Volt Switch or U-Turn is a bit much, but how do Freeze Dry (A freaking Ice move) and Nasty Plot make no sense on Glaceon?

I always wished Glaceon could learn Sheer Cold. I thinks its one of the only Ice types that can't.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:18:46 No.22183520 Report

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>>22183402
plush each now gets an ability that start with their letter in Japanese

I like it now

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:20:00 No.22183541 Report

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>>22182141
Still a shitmon because TC doesn't boost Earthquake or Stone Edge or any relevant physical move that sandslash has, metagross knows how you feel.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:21:06 No.22183553 Report

Quoted By: >>22183599

>>22182872
>other regional birds have it

Why not this one?

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:22:46 No.22183572 Report

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>ideal method
>take it's offensive stat that it doesn't use
>shove it into the one it DOES use
>give it protien.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:25:12 No.22183599 Report

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>>22183553
All the regional birds have shit movepools, out of those six only 3 of them get exclusive moves besides the standard Brave Bird, Heat Wave and normal STAB Unfezant needs not apply: Flare Blitz, Close Combat and Boomburst, and Swellow got it in gen 6.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:26:52 No.22183620 Report

Quoted By: >>22183642 >>22183701

Avalugg fixed version

HP: 95
Attack: 120
Defense: 180
Sp. Atk: 20
Sp. Def: 75
Speed: 24

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:28:19 No.22183637 Report

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Bug/Steel

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:28:54 No.22183642 Report

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>>22183620
Avalugg fixed version

Same stats

Fairy typing

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:29:36 No.22183652 Report

Quoted By: >>22183661 >>22183670

>>22181839
New stats:
1 HP
346 Attack
1 Defense
1 Special Attack
1 Special Defense
1 Speed

Give it Extremespeed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:30:36 No.22183661 Report

Quoted By: >>22183670

>>22183652
Oh and Aerialate.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:31:17 No.22183670 Report

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>>22183652
>>22183661

ebin :)

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:31:44 No.22183677 Report

Quoted By: >>22183705 >>22183955

>>22183402
I like the way you think. Only problem is it wouldn't make any sense in non-English languages. It gave me some ideas anyway.

Unown B- Barrier, Belly Drum, Bullet Punch, Baton Pass.

Unown D- Defog, Dragon Tail, Dark Void, Destiny Bond

Unown E- Endeavor, Extreme Speed... FEAR LIVES

Unown S gets Sketch... meaning it's like a really bad Smeargle unless you keep it from getting that one. Otherwise, it gets a diverse pool with Spikes, Stealth Rock, Sticky Web, Spore, Switcheroo, Substitute, Shell Smash, Swords Dance, Stored Power, Spacial Rend, Sucker Punch, Shadow Sneak, Super Fang, Damn, that's a lot of moves.

Unown T gets Trick Room, Topsy turvy, and Toxic Spikes

Unown X only gets X-Scissor. Lol.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:32:32 No.22183689 Report

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>>22182021
this is so cute

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:33:44 No.22183701 Report

Quoted By: >>22183829

>>22183620
hory sheet! Avalugg is the fabled missing 17th colossi!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:34:03 No.22183705 Report

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>>22183677
>Unown X only gets X-Scissor

Could be worse, Y only gets Yawn

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:34:41 No.22183711 Report

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>>22182296
It could never have both Belly Drum and Aqua Jet on the same set before the gen 6 breeding changes though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:39:28 No.22183778 Report

Quoted By: >>22183813

>>22182053
Really all it needs it Sing, maybe give it boomburst (swellow fucking gets it there is no reason pidgeot shouldn't). then all the "muh flavor" autists could be happy.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:43:11 No.22183813 Report

Quoted By: >>22183876 >>22183901

>>22183778
swallows are loud loud birds
pidgeons are quite silent on the other hand
there's a reason pidgeot doesn't learn echoed voice or hyper voice

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:44:51 No.22183829 Report

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>>22183701
Looks great as a desktop background.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:45:39 No.22183842 Report

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>>22183433
I just kid. Glaceon should totally have Freeze-Dry, though Nasty Plot is a bit far off reaching.
And, realistically speaking, the most they could possibly do would be to switch Glaceon's defenses and then give the 110 to Speed (95 at physical defense), just to make it different from the other eeveelutions, since that's what they've been going with so far.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:48:46 No.22183876 Report

Quoted By: >>22183908

>>22183813
I was under the impression that Swellow got Boomburst because of it's high speed (Sonic Booms).
Even if that's not the reason Swellow got it, Pidgeot apparently flies at Mach 2, so it could easily justify Pidgeit having it.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:50:54 No.22183901 Report

Quoted By: >>22183921

>>22183813
In what world is that a fucking Pidgeon?

Besides, the Boomburst could very well come from the flap of its wings.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:51:06 No.22183908 Report

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>>22183876
if that were the case, then swellow would be able to learn sonicboom, don't you think?
pidgeot would be better off getting extremespeed and tri-attack

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:52:36 No.22183921 Report

Quoted By: >>22183980

>>22183901
sorry, english isn't my main language. "pigeon". there. i have this thing on auto-correct but for some reason it bypassed it.

i seriously doubt that, but okay. if that were the case, lots of flying mons would be able to learn it

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:55:30 No.22183955 Report

Quoted By: >>22184058

>>22183677
Unown D with Dragon Ascent, Dragon Claw, Dark Void and Dragon Dance is healthy for the meta just like greninja and the genies :^)

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:56:38 No.22183968 Report

Quoted By: >>22183977 >>22183998

>current: 65/130/60/95/110/65
>fixed: 95/130/60/65/65/110

That's all it takes. It has good moves (kinda) and good abilities, but its stats are currently irredeemably shit.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:56:57 No.22183977 Report

Quoted By: >>22183993

>>22183968
>good moves

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:57:09 No.22183980 Report

Quoted By: >>22184064

>>22183921
That's what i meant too. If you go with the dext entries, Pidgeot is clearly a bird of prey and not a pigeon.

Also;
>By flapping its wings with all its might, Pidgeot can make a gust of wind capable of bending tall trees
Fucking hell, it can make a lot more noise than most Pokémon do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:58:17 No.22183993 Report

Quoted By: >>22184019

>>22183977
Flare Blitz and Guts Facade aren't so bad. It's no Darmanitan but it'd be alright, especially with speed to outrun things and HP to not murder itself on FB recoil. Better than it is now, at least.

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 22:58:42 No.22183998 Report

Quoted By: >>22184019 >>22184033

>>22183968
>good moves
>facade, superpower and flare blitz which it recently got

ayy

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:00:18 No.22184019 Report

Quoted By: >>22184068

>>22183993
>>22183998
Yeah, you're right. I was doing that because
>Flareon
>having moves
>in the ebin maymay
Just give it Wild Charge or something to round out its coverage, and those stats, and it's good. (Maybe give it a Fire-type -ate?)

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:01:21 No.22184033 Report

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>>22183998
I did specify 'kinda.' Flare Blitz is good, Superpower is good, Guts Facade is decent for neutral coverage. What would be pretty great is Crunch if it doesn't get it already. Normal/Fighting/Dark rounds out its nonSTAB coverage. Thunder Fang or Wild Charge would be nice too to handle Bulky Waters.

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40% !//v.13zk5M Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:02:39 No.22184046 Report

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>>22182413
I just wish Wonder Guard protected from secondary damage too. If nothing else but that changed, I'd have one of them on my main team. As it stands they're just way too susceptible to all the forms of secondary damage.

I fucking love Shedinja. I think it's adorable and such a cool concept. But fuck me is it impossible to use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:03:30 No.22184058 Report

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>>22183955
>72/72 offences
>48/48/48 defences
>48 speed

too power
banned to AG

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:03:58 No.22184064 Report

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>>22183980
that's just hurricane's description. bending wind isn't necessarily loud.
i get that a special STAB 140 base damage move that bypasses subs is appealing, and i agree with you, it should totally get it, along with focus blast and sing. but i'm also kinda realistic, it's nice to dream and all, but i think it's really unlikely that they'll ever do it.
i don't know why i'm saying this, really, just don't let your hopes get too high

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:04:25 No.22184068 Report

Quoted By: >>22184085

>>22184019
By giving it "Firelate" you just lost another move because facade now turns into a shitty flare blitz instead of it getting neutral hits on fairies and the guts boost no longer applies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:05:00 No.22184074 Report

Quoted By: >>22184119

>>22183402
what about ! and ?

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:06:14 No.22184085 Report

Quoted By: >>22184113 >>22184345

>>22184068
Here's the thing: Give it a coverage move like Rock Slide or Wild Charge. Then give it "Pyrate" (my name for the Fire -ate). Now you have priority, coverage, and power. Oh, and Fire already had neutral hits on Fairies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:09:17 No.22184113 Report

Quoted By: >>22184147

>>22184085
congrats, you just made flare blitz completely worthless.
you people seriously need to get more into competitive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:09:55 No.22184119 Report

Quoted By: >>22184130

>>22184074
They get no moves, they start every battle using Struggle right off the bat

>someone at GF decided that 2 new Unown forms weren't a total waste of time

they deserve it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:11:09 No.22184130 Report

Quoted By: >>22184169

>>22184119
but they're the coolest ones yet
also
>they deserve to suffer because they're creators are idiots
that's some seriously retarded morals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:12:05 No.22184147 Report

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>>22184113
yay, flareon has a unique role it can do!

who cares if flare blitz is worthless?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:14:31 No.22184169 Report

Quoted By: >>22184412

>>22184130
Nah I was just kidding :^)
I was thinking they should get signature moves but I couldn't think of anything, any ideas?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:16:18 No.22184186 Report

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Regigigas Learns Skill Swap.
Steal a better ability, give your opponent Slow Start.
Into Ubers it goes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:26:02 No.22184281 Report

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>>22182413
Ditches Wonder Guard on mega evolving

Gains Sturdy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:31:55 No.22184345 Report

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>>22184085
>not calling it immolate

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Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:36:30 No.22184386 Report

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Shiftry's early bird ability replaced by the an ability that clears all hazards upon entry and gains flying STAB (building on the wind/fan theme)

Garbodor has a similar ability in that it absorbs all hazards upon entry and they restore its health

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:38:40 No.22184412 Report

Quoted By: >>22184626

Change Rapidash's Ability to Reckless, since it gets Flare Blitz, Wild Charge, and Takedown already.

>>22184169
???- Psychic, 60 BP, Special, replaces one of the opponent's moves with ??? until the end of the battle. 10% chance to cause confusion. Can't be Sketched. 5 PP.

!!!- Psychic, 60 BP. +1 Priority. Strikes through Protect, hits anyway if opponent is using Dig/FlyShadowforce/whatever. If opoponent was using a 2 turn attack, even if it was aided with Power Herb, causes them to flinch. Go ahead and Sketch that one, it's not as broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Dec 2014 23:56:49 No.22184626 Report

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>>22184412
That's given me a bit of inspiration actually.

??? - Metronome equivalent, but only picks from Special moves.

!!! - Same again, but picks Physical moves.

All of these could be pretty interesting though, I'm liking it.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Dec 2014 00:03:10 No.22184685 Report

Quoted By: >>22184699 >>22184970

New HA: magic bag
Removes hazards when it switches in
Immune to the stuff that gets magic bounced

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Dec 2014 00:04:58 No.22184699 Report

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>>22184685
Also not damaged by hazards

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Anonymous Tue 16 Dec 2014 00:11:35 No.22184763 Report

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>>22183402
I think Unown should have a move like a priority healing wish. But instead of healing the next mon completely, they grant several buffs depending on the Unown forme.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Dec 2014 00:17:56 No.22184846 Report

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>>22182872

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Anonymous Tue 16 Dec 2014 00:28:47 No.22184970 Report

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>>22184685
Would that change his shitmon status?
I doubt, but good try.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Dec 2014 00:47:50 No.22185196 Report

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>>22182846
> give it no guard
> also give it aura sphere instead of focus blast
what

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Dec 2014 03:15:19 No.22186891 Report

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Give Meganium Bulk Up, Calm Mind, Quiver Dance, Baton Pass and Wish.
Give Typhlosion Earth Power and Scald.

Give Delphox Aura Sphere, Thunderbolt, Thunder, Ice Beam, Earth Power and Moonblast.

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