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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 19:48:02 No.22234816 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22234831 >>22235777 >>22235847 >>22235939 >>22235947 >>22238231 >>22238463 >>22239027 >>22241814 >>22242132 >>22242201

Smogon's OU Ranking has been updated

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-ou-viability-ranking-thread-b-and-b-ranks-discussion-check-post-2042.3521602/page-82#post-5929189
>Celebi: B+ > A-
>Gyarados: B+ > A-
>Hippowdon: B+ > A-
>Rhyperior: B+ > B
>Suicune: B+ > B
>Mega Swampert: B+ > B
>Tornadus-T: B+ > B
>Victini: B+ > B
>Alomomola: B > B-
>Amoonguss: B > B+
>Mega Camerupt: B > C+
>Chesnaught: B > B+
>Lucario: B > B-
>Scolipede: B > B-
>Zapdos: B > B-

Do you agree? If so, why or why not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 19:49:10 No.22234829 Report

Quoted By: >>22234835

>smogon
sage

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 19:49:33 No.22234831 Report

Quoted By: >>22234986

>>22234816
>all these grass types moving up
>rhyperior moving down
haven't bothered to play ou in months but i'm guessing talonflame isn't getting used as much right now then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 19:49:46 No.22234835 Report

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>>22234829

*tips fedora*

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 20:02:45 No.22234986 Report

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>>22234831
>Celebi rose to A- due to its ability to handle new omnipresent threats such as Mega Slowbro, Mega Diancie, and Mega Lopunny with its NastyPass set, and versatility, as it can run at least 4 differents sets effectively (NastyPass, offensive NP, Scarf, defensive utility)

>Amoonguss rose to B+ because it deals with some important new threats, namely Mega Altaria, Mega Diancie, and Mega Slowbro. Plus with Mega Venusaur getting harder to fit on teams due to the increased opportunity cost, Amoonguss enjoys the slightly decreased competition as Grass / Poison type. Although Celebi gives it big competition, Poison-typing, Spore, Clear Smog, and Regenerator give Amoonguss plenty of reasons to be used.

>Chesnaught rose to B+ because Drain Punch is amazing, providing Chesnaught with a reliable STAB move that can restore it to (almost) full health after KOing foes such as Bisharp, Mega Gyarados, Mega Lopunny, and Terrakion, plus Chesnaught deals with a few new or improved threats, such as Mega Gyarados and Mega Lopunny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 21:10:05 No.22235777 Report

Quoted By: >>22235811

>>22234816
Thought celebi was a shit mon lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 21:12:16 No.22235798 Report

Quoted By: >>22235826

how is mega sceptile doing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 21:13:41 No.22235811 Report

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>>22235777
Not since Smogonsword got banned really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 21:15:28 No.22235826 Report

Quoted By: >>22235835

>>22235798
A- and cleaning teams. Pretty impressive, actually.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 21:16:51 No.22235835 Report

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>>22235826
nice

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 21:17:54 No.22235847 Report

Quoted By: >>22235884

>>22234816
>OU
>Mega Camerupt

wat?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 21:21:27 No.22235884 Report

Quoted By:

>>22235847
it's not OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 21:27:25 No.22235939 Report

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>>22234816
I was wondering why I was seeing Celebi all the time now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Dec 2014 21:28:46 No.22235947 Report

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>>22234816
Reminder for those new to this that if it isn't A or higher, you aren't likely to see it often.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 01:06:35 No.22238231 Report

Quoted By: >>22238297 >>22238309 >>22242109

>>22234816
>Mega Swampert
>in a lower rank
Wow, Smogon really has no fucking idea how fucking powerful Mega Swampert is during rain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 01:12:25 No.22238297 Report

Quoted By: >>22239278

>>22238231
But that's the reason.
Swampert requires the set up.
A is reserved for doing their role with basically no support.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 01:13:12 No.22238309 Report

Quoted By: >>22238513

>>22238231
Less powerful than Kabutops with life orb

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 01:27:08 No.22238463 Report

Quoted By: >>22238513 >>22238540

>>22234816
>tfw been using Gyarados, Amoonguss, and Chesnaught on my teams

At the same time, I'm surprised Suicune and Zapdos dropped. I thought I'd been seeing them more often actually. Maybe just coincidence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 01:31:14 No.22238513 Report

Quoted By: >>22238666

>>22238309
...but bulkier, faster and with a significantly better typing.
>>22238463
There's a much better user of the Crocune set now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 01:32:51 No.22238540 Report

Quoted By: >>22238938

>>22238463
Viability rankings are not based on the usage statistics of a mon. Something you see all the time might not actually be that viable, e.g. Ambipom in RU.

Suicune now has to compete with Crobro as well as a heavily offensive metagame that doesn't leave it as many setup chances as it used to have.

The usefulness of Zapdos is directly tied to the usefulness of birdspam. And birdspam took a bunch of hits in ORAS with the new megas either stopping it (Slowbro) or providing alternatives to it (Metagross).
Plus Mence is banned now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 01:44:54 No.22238666 Report

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>>22238513
>Faster
What?
But yeah that's why it's near the same level as Kaboot, it doesn't hit as hard and isn't as fast but is bulkier and. The thing that gives kaboot the edge is that swampert needs the mega stone that could go to Mega manectric, which is a great mon for rain to have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:19:44 No.22238938 Report

Quoted By: >>22238942

>>22238540
Makes sense, thanks.

Just curious though, how is Megagross an alternative for Talonflame? It gets walled by Slowbro just as well, and all I can think of off the top that it can kill (in Bird's range) is Mega Venusaur and certain Fighting types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:20:19 No.22238942 Report

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>>22238938
>It gets walled by Slowbro just as well
Grass Knot 2HKOs it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:29:19 No.22239027 Report

Quoted By: >>22239039 >>22239068 >>22239130

>>22234816

Who the hell is using Rhyperior, Celebi, and Alomomola? And what for?

I never encounter these things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:30:19 No.22239039 Report

Quoted By:

>>22239027
Better players.
What's your rank?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:32:41 No.22239068 Report

Quoted By:

>>22239027
Rhyperior was the best Bird Spam counter in XY
Celebi is good against some of the new megas, aswell as older threats and has a really good support movepool
Alomomola is just really fucking bulky, good typing, good wish passer etc

You won't see this in lower ladder OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:35:11 No.22239086 Report

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I only played UU in Gen 5 and I want to get interested in Gen 6 OU. How do I proceed to do so?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:40:45 No.22239130 Report

Quoted By:

>>22239027
Rhyperior is amazing. I used to use the WP set back in XY and it would sweep teams up till around the 1500s, at which point it just served as a bird answer.

Celebi handles Slowbro, Rotom-W, Breloom, Keldeo, and a bunch of other annoying Pokemon pretty well, including Alomomola.

Alomomola is a terrific wall and a big annoyance, given its Wish passing ability and capability to burn and poison. On its own it's not a big deal, but it's usually implemented in cores that make the best use of its typing and bulk.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:42:07 No.22239139 Report

Quoted By: >>22239193

>M-Swampert is still Dropping
Life is suffering

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:46:29 No.22239181 Report

Quoted By: >>22241852

>M-Swampert dropping
>M-Sceptile still in A-

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:47:34 No.22239193 Report

Quoted By: >>22239205 >>22239304

>>22239139
>tfw loved swampert in gen 3
>gen 5 came and made it irrelevant
>praying for mega to fix this
>it ends up still shittier than Sceptile and Blaziken

A-at least I have Greninja now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:48:32 No.22239205 Report

Quoted By:

>>22239193

swampert was better than sceptile pre megas. the sceptile fans got the mega they deserved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:50:32 No.22239229 Report

Quoted By: >>22239288

>Zapdos dropping to B-

For what purpose?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:52:31 No.22239254 Report

Quoted By: >>22239290

>Mega Swampert: B+ > B

I'd just like to remind everyone that most of /vp/ honestly thought a swift swim abuser that takes at least two turns of setup and has all the offensive power of LO Huntail would be one of the biggest threats in ORAS OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:54:29 No.22239278 Report

Quoted By: >>22239306

>>22238297
>using any mon that requires a setup

Kek. Enjoy getting dominated

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:55:25 No.22239288 Report

Quoted By:

>>22239229

because bird spam isn't as prevalent anymore. same reason rhyperior dropped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:55:32 No.22239290 Report

Quoted By: >>22242278

>>22239254
>two turns to set up
I didn't realize it took two turns to use Rain Dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:56:46 No.22239304 Report

Quoted By:

>>22239193
>A-at least I have Greninja now
Not for long :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 02:57:08 No.22239306 Report

Quoted By: >>22239334

>>22239278
>he's never been swept by Critdra

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 03:00:40 No.22239334 Report

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>>22239306
>using that frail slow piece of shit when M-Gallade is pounding your asshole with his psychic penis

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 07:27:14 No.22241814 Report

Quoted By: >>22241906 >>22242183

>>22234816
>Chesnaught: B > B+

The fuck? What does he even do with Spoopysword gone?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 07:32:25 No.22241852 Report

Quoted By:

>>22239181
It never fails, whenever I see someone using this pic it's always attached to a shit opinion

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 07:39:51 No.22241906 Report

Quoted By:

>>22241814
presumably for the same reason celebi went up, also spikes are really good in this meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 07:45:00 No.22241940 Report

Quoted By: >>22242020

Why is Alomomola falling?

I haven't played since ORAS came out.

I thought it would be a good Greninja check, and it's always helped my high ladder semi stall teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 07:53:07 No.22242007 Report

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>>Lucario: B > B-
Lucario nearly entering nichemon territory

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 07:54:21 No.22242020 Report

Quoted By:

>>22241940
>greninja
>check
pick one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 08:05:09 No.22242109 Report

Quoted By:

>>22238231
Check out the reasoning of that one guy in the thread. Kingdra/Kabutops combo is more efficient.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 08:08:45 No.22242132 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234816
>Swampert drops

Feels bad man

At least Sceptile maintained A-

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 08:12:53 No.22242172 Report

Quoted By:

M-Swamp's drops don't surprise me. He hits hard and has pretty good bulk, but his slow speed without rain is his downfall, especially in a metagame evolving to attract more Grass types (despite Talonflame).

He still reks in UU though, so I'm happy I have that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 08:14:27 No.22242183 Report

Quoted By:

>>22241814
Move tutor options buffed him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 08:16:29 No.22242201 Report

Quoted By:

>>22234816
BASED SEREBII MOVING UP IN LIFE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 08:28:01 No.22242278 Report

Quoted By: >>22242319

>>22239290
It needs two turns.

>Set up rain on first turn
>Mega Evolve and wait for the next turn for swift swim ability to kick in

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 08:32:28 No.22242319 Report

Quoted By: >>22242328 >>22242368

>>22242278
...why not Mega-Evolve on the turn you use Rain Dance?

sure you still have to spend a turn using Rain Dance but so does literally every other pokemon that wants to set up rain (except Politoed and Kyogre)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 08:33:47 No.22242328 Report

Quoted By: >>22242368

>>22242319
You're usually going to rely on the Politoed to set up rain for your rain sweepers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 08:41:03 No.22242368 Report

Quoted By: >>22242475

>>22242319
>>22242328

Im not one for battles but what about in doubles? You could have both in one turn or is weather no good in doubles? (or just no one cares)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 08:58:50 No.22242475 Report

Quoted By:

>>22242368
Not sure how M-Pert is good in doubles, but Ludicolo still seems to be the superior option.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:03:08 No.22242499 Report

Quoted By:

Here's a question.
Why does anyone care?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:03:13 No.22242500 Report

Quoted By: >>22242511 >>22242512 >>22242567 >>22242569

Why is Amoongus B+ when it's only when it's in RU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:05:03 No.22242511 Report

Quoted By: >>22242560 >>22242583

>>22242500

>OU VIABILITY
>IS NOT THE SAME
>AS USAGE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:05:08 No.22242512 Report

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>>22242500
Could be due to a bunch of stuff

>Usage =/= viability
>Suspect testing in lower tiers not being finished up
>It could be balanced in RU but still viable in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:12:25 No.22242551 Report

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I told you MegaSwampert would have been crap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:13:30 No.22242560 Report

Quoted By:

>>22242511
Keep telling yourself that babby.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:14:58 No.22242567 Report

Quoted By:

>>22242500
because the tier system is flawed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:15:00 No.22242569 Report

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>>22242500
The viability rankings are made by illuminati who seemingly understand the competitive environment better than anyone else and don't give two fucks about actual tiers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:17:18 No.22242583 Report

Quoted By: >>22242607

>>22242511
If it's viable in OU then it sees usage. Shut up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:18:56 No.22242591 Report

Quoted By: >>22242604

Reminder that if Smogonsword weren't banned Megagross would be A- at the highest.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:21:21 No.22242604 Report

Quoted By: >>22242612 >>22242660

>>22242591
Will our noble prince ever return?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:22:08 No.22242607 Report

Quoted By: >>22242644

>>22242583
reading comprehension

If it's RU, then it doesn't receive enough usage to qualify for OU. Some, but not a lot. Tiers are decided based on usage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:22:58 No.22242612 Report

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>>22242604
Smogon isn't planning on retesting now that 15 or so new Megas have introduced, new move tutors are available, and they've seen the game without Smogonsword?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:29:30 No.22242644 Report

Quoted By: >>22242647 >>22242775

>>22242607
Than why is Reshiram ubers chucklenuts

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:30:26 No.22242647 Report

Quoted By:

>>22242644
Because it's banned from the lower tiers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:33:32 No.22242660 Report

Quoted By: >>22242696

>>22242604
Aegis is the only ban I've ever called bullshit on. He was a fantastic pivot and a great 'mon that you could beat by _____gitin gud__________________. He made the meta more idverse and dare I say, more fun. I really hope he comes back until they ban him again because even Lopuny can't win 100% of the time and he threatens Somons precious genies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:39:24 No.22242696 Report

Quoted By: >>22242759

>>22242660
>aegislash meta
>diverse

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:50:55 No.22242759 Report

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>>22242696
>Volturn and Priority Meta.
>More diverse than actually having to thing before spamming muh late-game physical cleanup.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 09:53:46 No.22242775 Report

Quoted By: >>22242822

>>22242644
Because ubers doesn't do usage-based tiering.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Dec 2014 10:01:21 No.22242822 Report

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>>22242775
RU and UU both have BL tiers that they can ban things too if they have the usage to be there but aren't balanced/healthy.

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