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VGC General

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 06:13:30 No.22290315 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22290327 >>22290346 >>22298283 >>22300118 >>22317387

Cybertron's intro to VGC '15: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHGv2nVzd8A

Resources:

nuggetbridge.com

eggyemporium.com (Wolfe Glick and Markus Stadter's VGC blog)

http://www.oldmanvgc.com/ (jap meta site, has English translations)

youtube channels: http://pastebin.com/nKNu7YTR

http://nuggetbridge.com/forums/topic/8765-pokemon-vgc-youtube-resources/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 06:15:02 No.22290327 Report

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>>22290315
wrong youtube pastebin, this is the updated one: http://pastebin.com/kKEpQSUN

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 06:16:45 No.22290346 Report

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>>22290315
Are the VGC Sets on Smogon any good for getting started?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 06:17:09 No.22290348 Report

Quoted By: >>22290425 >>22290427 >>22290444

who here has yet to fight a single battle and is just breeding all day long?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 06:18:13 No.22290352 Report

Quoted By: >>22290398 >>22290410 >>22290434 >>22290443 >>22290477 >>22290588 >>22290607 >>22290729 >>22292948 >>22293608 >>22293784 >>22299512 >>22302222

What mega/s are you all running?
On another note: do you use powersaves or just breed/sr?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 06:22:29 No.22290398 Report

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>>22290352
>every thread "why do you play vgc"
>"its in the cart bro"
>powersave

might as well play exclusively on showdown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 06:24:00 No.22290410 Report

Quoted By: >>22290434

>>22290352
Trying out a Mega Scizor / Gardevoir / Hydreigon core to some success.

I'll use Powersaves to breed, and inject EXP and EVs but not the IVs on guys I intend to use. I still like playing the game, you know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 06:24:53 No.22290425 Report

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>>22290348
I'm still doing my playthrough of OR kek

it's just so comfy and I'm not rushing it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 06:25:26 No.22290427 Report

Quoted By: >>22296643

>>22290348
Building new EV spreads is the most time-consuming part for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 06:26:00 No.22290434 Report

Quoted By: >>22290662 >>22290794 >>22290820

>>22290410
>mega scizor
top why. there's better megas man. just trying to save you some time >>22290352
right now I'm 8th on the PS ladder with no mega but if I had one it would be kang or mence probably. or czard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 06:26:44 No.22290443 Report

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>>22290352
Trying to make Mega Altaria and Sceptile work out. Maybe gonna try Zard Y.

I breed, but I use a hacked Ditto for convenience. I also use powersaves just to fix up any really tedious IVs to get, like IVs for legendaries. It's kind of weird, but I'm comfortable with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 06:27:17 No.22290444 Report

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>>22290348
Don't even have ORAS yet.
Wasn't really in a rush to get it and so saved it so I could tell my parents SOMETHING to get me for Christmas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 06:31:45 No.22290477 Report

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>>22290352
Mence, Mawile, Tailwind Zard Y

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 06:49:58 No.22290588 Report

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>>22290352

>What mega/s are you all running?
megamom for lack of anything better, might go to thunderdoge

>On another note: do you use powersaves or just breed/sr?
Breed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 06:52:42 No.22290607 Report

Quoted By: >>22290656

>>22290352
Mahou Shoujo Audino paired with
>Assault Vest Hariyama
>Helping Hand Slow Politoed
>Rain Dance Latios to keep other weathers on edge
>Sub Muddy Water Life Orb Kingdra because I had an old one
>Steel type of choice for TR mode, this time around it's Escavalier

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 06:57:13 No.22290656 Report

Quoted By: >>22290693 >>22290769

>>22290607

What does Mega Audino actually bring to the table that makes it worth running over normal audino+another mega?

t. someone who desperately wants it to be good

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 06:57:57 No.22290662 Report

Quoted By: >>22292383

>>22290434
Just throwing some ideas around. A set of SD / Bullet Punch /Thief / Roost, as well as general bulk, takes care of a lot of threats like Aegislash and Fairy-types. As long as Zard Y / Talonflame aren't in play you'll be good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:02:46 No.22290693 Report

Quoted By: >>22290747

>>22290656
Lol its fuckin shit i just want to use it. Not that I'm using it in tournaments or anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:06:39 No.22290729 Report

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>>22290352
mence, but working on something built around zard y at the moment

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:08:22 No.22290747 Report

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>>22290693

well that's disappointing

what moveset/nature/spread? trick room like normal audino?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:12:16 No.22290769 Report

Quoted By: >>22290798

>>22290656
it's got some pretty great bulk

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:15:39 No.22290794 Report

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>>22290434
I was considering running it when I noticed it's got near identical bulk to ferrothorn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:16:16 No.22290798 Report

Quoted By: >>22290817

>>22290769

>no lefties
>loses regenerator
>stuck with wish for healing, although at least everybody has protect in VGC anyway

It's got great bulk but can't recover worth shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:19:18 No.22290817 Report

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>>22290798
theres a lot worse healing bulks out there. Pretty hard to kill supporter, though megabro will probably accomplish more.

Might use it on a set of simple beaming a setup sweeper like volcarona or cloyster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:19:42 No.22290820 Report

Quoted By: >>22290838

>>22290434
>there's better megas man
It's not like he's using audino, mega scizor is quite good actually.
Not using a mega because "there are better ones" , when talking about perfectly viable ones, is kinda silly.

On a VGC subject: is mixed aegislash any good? i want to use one to kill sylveons with iron head, but probably i'd be better of with escavalier or something for that

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:21:45 No.22290838 Report

Quoted By: >>22290849 >>22290902

>>22290820
>Not using a mega because "there are better ones" , when talking about perfectly viable ones, is kinda silly.
mega scizor is easily on the level of audino or the worst megas. I was trying not to be an asshole about it but there's literally zero reason to use mega scizor. even life orb scizor outclasses it completely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:23:39 No.22290849 Report

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>>22290838
in damage, but its mega provides a very considerable boost to bulk

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:32:48 No.22290902 Report

Quoted By: >>22290922 >>22290953

>>22290838

https://bearsfan092.wordpress.com/2014/07/16/an-overlooked-mega-pokemon-the-art-of-running-with-scizors/

Written by someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

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Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:35:52 No.22290922 Report

Quoted By: >>22290946

>>22290902

>pre-ORAS

And yes, the metagame has changed significantly since then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:40:11 No.22290946 Report

Quoted By: >>22290966

>>22290922
in its favor I'd say

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:41:43 No.22290953 Report

Quoted By: >>22290960

>>22290902
>bearsfan
lol that fag was irrelevant in 2014. no wonder he got zero good placings at events, he thinks mega scizor is worth mentioning. and even he rates it below fucking blastoise. top kek. since you really wanna get into this: have fun hobbling yourself with a terrible mega until you come to your senses. not only is there very little reason to use scizor in the first place in 2015, the mega is an even worse metal call considering it deprives you of a different mega

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:43:37 No.22290960 Report

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>>22290953
>and even he rates it below fucking blastoise
that wasn't a ranking

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:43:54 No.22290966 Report

Quoted By: >>22291002

>>22290946

good things for scizor since oras:
>can easily kill the now very common sylveon
>got knock off and superpower back

bad things for scizor since oras:
>everything else

I love me some m-scizor but it suffers just like m-blaziken from "being a weaker, bulkier upgrade of the life orb version" disease

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:48:18 No.22291002 Report

Quoted By: >>22291056

>>22290966
>it suffers just like m-blaziken from "being a weaker, bulkier upgrade of the life orb version" disease
mega blaziken got 10 points each in defenses. scizor got 40 in defense, and 20 in special. It's a lot bulkier than it's non mega, capable of being a physical wall while it's swords dancing up boosted bullet punches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 07:55:59 No.22291056 Report

Quoted By: >>22291125

>>22291002

you'll never get the turns you need to boost unless they lead with sylveon and m-gardevoir or something idiotic like that and have to switch out. There are too many fake outs and protects flying around for +2 (probably only +1 thanks to intimidate being everywhere) m-scizor to ever hope to sweep with its weak STABs, especially given how horrible their coverage is. You're hopelessly walled by basically any fire type who can just OHKO you right back, and mega salamence who is now one of the biggest threats can just fire blast you in the face.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 08:05:23 No.22291125 Report

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>>22291056
>There are too many fake outs and protects flying around
but you want them to protect if you're setting up.
and fake out will stop your turn, but it's not gonna do the slightest damage even from mega kanga. Scizor's always had trouble with fire types, that's why he's so commonly paired with heatran to switch in for him. That's about his one weakness he needs support for, every mon has em. Mega salamence still needs support to deal with ice and fairies, one bad switch and he's down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 09:36:31 No.22291642 Report

Quoted By: >>22291833

Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/XTJeBAWR

Running Lopunny and I just don't know. It seems so situational that I rarely find myself using it. Dig the pokemon, but I'm wondering if another Mega may not be more useful? I feel like Excadrill meshes poorly with my team too honestly, but I like how it deals with Rotom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 10:12:41 No.22291821 Report

Quoted By: >>22291848

I wish it was easier to tell what EVs are useless at level 50, what's the best way to figure that out? I've just been inputting the pokemon in showdown

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 10:14:45 No.22291833 Report

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>>22291642
I probably wouldn't use mega lopunny. rotom isn't too common to necessitate mold breaker on exca imo. if you're gonna scarf any rotom at least scarf rotom-w so you can outspeed and OHKO adamant non-assault vest landorus (the majority of them.) I would also go through this list of mons here http://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/battle/oras/#double and make sure you have a plan for each one. Also have a plan for common pokemon that aren't on this list.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 10:16:55 No.22291848 Report

Quoted By: >>22291913

>>22291821
use the slider man. put your level to 50, then EV your mon. then, slide the slider back four EVs and see if you lose a point in that stat or it stays the same. if it stays the same, those four EVs were wasted. sometimes you can also get two stat points for only four more EVs in a given stat, that's also something to consider

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 10:28:21 No.22291913 Report

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>>22291848
that's what I've been doing, it just gets annoying especially since showdown defaults to level 100

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 11:09:06 No.22292138 Report

Quoted By: >>22292154

Is Crobat a good way to deal with Kangha/Smeargle leads?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 11:11:58 No.22292154 Report

Quoted By: >>22292187

>>22292138
Does Crobat look like something which enjoys eating a STAB Return/Double Edge? There are numerous other ways to prevent Smeargle setting up besides throwing a free kill Khan's way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 11:15:02 No.22292168 Report

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Why don't any top players have their PGL profile public? I want to stalk some battle replays, on XY there were always quite a few that did

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 11:17:53 No.22292187 Report

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>>22292154
You're right. I'll try a Lum Berry on Garchomp, and Tyranitar's sandstorm should break the sash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 11:50:37 No.22292383 Report

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>>22290662
Not Knock Off over thief? The item removal is really good and gives you useful information.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 13:16:26 No.22292917 Report

Quoted By: >>22292951

>1610~ rating
>get paired up with 1867 Japan player
t-thanks game

He spammed dragons and I would have won with a successful double protect, oh well

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 13:24:55 No.22292948 Report

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>>22290352
I'm testing Mega Sceptile on showdown right now. It's decent.

I have powersaves but I only really use it for cloning and save dumping.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 13:25:33 No.22292951 Report

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>>22292917
that's the wrong attitude anon. you're representing America on that ladder. stop being a pussy and win next time, no excuses

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 15:33:07 No.22293608 Report

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>>22290352
Mega Gross. At first I only added it because I thought it partnered well with Hydreigon but damn it has such great speed, bulk and power. The one downside is that I typically have to use protect on it for the first turn because it's rather slow before it mega-evolves.

I don't use powersaves, and not so coincidentally I have yet to battle on cart because I'm still breeding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 15:56:33 No.22293784 Report

Quoted By: >>22295862 >>22302310

>>22290352
Metagross and Sceptile. Originally I was running Gardevoir, but those two tend to synergize with my team better.

And nah, no powersaves. I've heard that VGC hack checks have grown more advanced anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 19:55:29 No.22295862 Report

Quoted By: >>22295885 >>22295927

>>22293784
Has anyone been able to actually confirm/deny this rumor?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 19:57:42 No.22295885 Report

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>>22295862
It's just a bunch of hearsay. Just scare tactics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 20:02:34 No.22295927 Report

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>>22295862
My friend who uses PkeHex says a genned pokemon or an altered pokemon is completely identical to a legit one.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 21:16:01 No.22296597 Report

Quoted By: >>22296618 >>22296699 >>22296882

So I'm going to run Megachomp with tailwind support, because it can still bulldoze through most things even without sand up. I'm planning on Naughty 252 atk 4 spa 252 spe with EQ/Meteor/Rock slide/protect, but do you think Naive would be better?

>inb4 megachomp sucks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 21:18:23 No.22296618 Report

Quoted By: >>22296810

>>22296597
Yes, run naive. Remember, you don't have to mega turn 1, so you can keep your speed if you need to. It's something I've wanted to play around with, but fuck getting 1000 flags for garchompite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 21:20:25 No.22296643 Report

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>>22290427
This. Maxing two stats and putting four in another is easy enough, but being precise is time consuming. Especially considering how necessary precisely evd sets are for vgc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 21:26:29 No.22296699 Report

Quoted By: >>22296810

>>22296597
Wouldn't Hasty be better? Ice Beam and Icy Wind are everywhere nowadays, but the only relevant physical ice type is Mamoswine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 21:29:02 No.22296723 Report

Quoted By: >>22296771 >>22300536 >>22301068 >>22305010

Reminder that verlisify is a terrible player and you should never listen to a word he says

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qpmfoRhpinU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 21:34:48 No.22296771 Report

Quoted By: >>22296882

>>22296723

>Verlis I made 6 other youtube accounts just to get you more subscriptions
your welcome

holy shit. Also if you dont like the guy please dont post his videos so he gets more views to further his e-peen.

vgcg how good is thunderdog? so broken a retard like me can use him or just good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 21:39:25 No.22296810 Report

Quoted By: >>22296912

>>22296618

22 points of attack is a ton to lose though, especially when you won't be boosting.

There's also this unfortunate calc:

>-1 252 Atk Mega Garchomp Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Manectric: 126-150 (86.3 - 102.7%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
>-1 252+ Atk Mega Garchomp Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Manectric: 138-164 (94.5 - 112.3%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

>>22296699

It can always balk an icy wind and will die to STAB ice beams regardless. You're better off keeping its great physical bulk up to take sucker punches. Hasty's only notable benefit is having mega manectric's HP Ice never have a chance to OHKO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 21:40:19 No.22296817 Report

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I run Mega-Scep and Thundurus, the combo I like but I really can't sit down and pick their team. Any tips?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 21:45:32 No.22296882 Report

Quoted By:

>>22296771
>so broken a retard like me can use him or just good?
Pretty much broken enough a retard should be able to use it. Whether you NEED to use it is another matter however.

>>22296597
Doesn't matter if you plan to run it with Tailwind, at least keep a Sand setup as back up in the back. Not doing so is a mistake as it gives you options either more speed or more power.

I've seen situations where Megachomp has broken through otherwise normally impossible situations solely because of the Sand Force boost when dealing with bulkier teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 21:48:23 No.22296912 Report

Quoted By: >>22297000

>>22296810
Yeah, I thought about the loss of attack right after I posted. I'm still gonna run naive though, because that 102 speed before mega-ing is too good to pass up. I mean, I know you'd be running tailwind or twave support, but you can't guarantee you'll always have that support when you need it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 21:55:57 No.22296998 Report

Quoted By: >>22297364

I've never played 2v2 before. Is there any significant difference between VGC rules and Battle Spot Doubles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 21:56:05 No.22297000 Report

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>>22296912

It's not about the 102 before evolving since it will almost never, ever come into play thanks to fake out and protect, it's about not getting outsped by positive base 80s after evolving. You're outsped by 1 point.

Of course you could always just run two tailwind users, but then your team is pretty weak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 22:27:57 No.22297323 Report

Quoted By: >>22297709 >>22298218

Is my Brodrill useless? Good movepool/attack, but he seems like he'd die to anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 22:29:54 No.22297350 Report

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kids....... what's a good nature........ on regirock..........

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 22:31:40 No.22297364 Report

Quoted By: >>22297397

>>22296998
As of this year? None.

Battle Spot Doubles is basically this years meta, so you can get plenty of practice.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 22:33:09 No.22297397 Report

Quoted By: >>22297463 >>22298094

>>22297364
Thanks, bud. Wasn't really sure if I was gonna miss anything out if I went for VGC rules over BS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 22:38:35 No.22297463 Report

Quoted By: >>22297771

>>22297397
Legends, that's it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 22:57:01 No.22297709 Report

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>>22297323
Way too frail to do anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 23:01:55 No.22297771 Report

Quoted By: >>22298327

>>22297463
Not even that, ORAS battle spot doubles is pentagon only. XY still allows transfers from past gens if you really want to play with that, but good luck finding any other players.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 23:30:07 No.22298094 Report

Quoted By: >>22298149 >>22298205 >>22299160

>>22297397 here

Gonna try asking a couple threads for some feedback on the team I made.
http://pastebin.com/75hVDYT9

There are some backup sets that I made in case if there's anything wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 23:35:15 No.22298149 Report

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>>22298094
Synthesis on ludicolo is a bad idea since it doesn't heal as much in the rain. Try leech seed instead. I would also suggest having giga drain on ludicolo somewhere - do you really need the fake out?

Get rid of mandibuzz completely, she's not good in doubles and neither is toxic stalling. I don't know what you're trying to do with that salamence, either give it a scarf or its mega stone

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 23:42:02 No.22298205 Report

Quoted By: >>22298250 >>22298456 >>22299160

>>22298094
Ludicolo needs Giga Drain instead of Synthesis and Swift Swim instead of Rain Dish.
Greninja needs more attack, Low Kick/Protect/Ice Beam/Gunk Shot @ Focus Sash, not LO.
That Swampert set kinda sucks and could be better.
Mandibuzz offers nothing for your team, use Talonflame instead.
Salamence is better with Specs or Scarf, or you could use Hydreigon. It is also really good against TR.

Cresselia needs more bulk than anything, and is way better as a TR setter, Hitmontop should run Protect, and I think it learns Mach punch instead of Bullet Punch. Heliosk sucks. Gastrodon isn't good enough in rain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 23:44:24 No.22298218 Report

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>>22297323
make sure he has protect to mega evolve, he doesn't get the speed boost til the next turn. Adaptability u-turns off 150 attack are a painful scouting weapon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 23:47:09 No.22298250 Report

Quoted By: >>22298282

>>22298205
low kick life orb is decent on greninja because I believe it has a chance to OHKO kang. I would also add that protect on hitmontop isn't strictly necessary, the most popular hitmontop sets in the past didn't run protect or detect

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 23:50:05 No.22298282 Report

Quoted By: >>22298332 >>22299160

>>22298250
252 Atk Protean Greninja Low Kick (80 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Kangaskhan: 134-158 (74 - 87.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Life Orb Protean Greninja Low Kick (80 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Kangaskhan: 174-205 (96.1 - 113.2%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

0 Atk Life Orb Protean Greninja Low Kick (80 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Kangaskhan: 135-164 (74.5 - 90.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Completely not worth it. It doesn't need the LO to deal the damage it wants. It needs focus sash because it's incredibly frail without it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 23:50:05 No.22298283 Report

Quoted By: >>22298354 >>22300769

>>22290315

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 23:55:25 No.22298327 Report

Quoted By: >>22298335

>>22297771
>pentagon
Is legal on most legends now

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 23:56:14 No.22298332 Report

Quoted By: >>22298372

>>22298282
first off, your calcs look like they're level 100. damage is higher at level 50. second, that's kang in its base form

252 Atk Life Orb Protean Greninja Low Kick (100 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 179-213 (98.8 - 117.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

dipshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 23:56:40 No.22298335 Report

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>>22298327
Read the post chain, friend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Dec 2014 23:58:50 No.22298354 Report

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>>22298283
Simply epic, anon :))

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:00:58 No.22298372 Report

Quoted By: >>22298433

>>22298332
You're running 0 attack EVs anyway. My calcs were at level 50, for some reason it used base form. This is what your calc should be:

0 Atk Life Orb Protean Greninja Low Kick (100 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 143-172 (79 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

And Mega Kanga isn't the most threatening pokemon around, well, not anymore. Using Greninja as a check to it sounds kinda bad, since no good player would leave Kanga around when there's Greninja. You know, Low Kick and all that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:05:28 No.22298421 Report

Quoted By: >>22298456 >>22298781

Is the best kanga set still fake out / double-edge or return / power-up punch / sucker punch?

Is there use using drain punch or low kick? What about an elemental punch?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:06:51 No.22298433 Report

Quoted By: >>22298456

>>22298372
I'm not the anon with that team. I'm just pointing out the utility of low kick greninja with some attack. Ice beam/scald are gonna get the OHKOs/2HKOs they need to without investment

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:09:08 No.22298453 Report

Quoted By: >>22298465

Really wish the calculator had options to save sets, gets tedious manually changing stats to reflect new megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:09:16 No.22298456 Report

Quoted By: >>22298475

>>22298421
Most sets are still the standard since it offers neutral coverage and setup.

>>22298433
Why did you call me dipshit? I know perfectly well it needs attack EVs, and I was saying that he should use Focus Sash instead of LO, as you can see here >>22298205
Why would you run Scald on Greninja? Hydro Pump is much better, even with the accuracy loss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:10:18 No.22298465 Report

Quoted By: >>22298478

>>22298453
Use http://gamut-was-taken.github.io/ it has all the new megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:11:36 No.22298475 Report

Quoted By: >>22298517

>>22298456
what OHKOs/2HKOs are you getting with hydro pump? Dipshit was slightly rude but dude, you're saying things like
>kang isn't a big threat now
its the first mon in usage on BS dubs, its everywhere. Sash is viable on greninja, but so is life orb particularly if you need a way to chunk or OHKO kang. He should consider both items based on the needs of his team

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:11:49 No.22298478 Report

Quoted By:

>>22298465
thanks

love these things, adamant mega lopunny outspeeds jolly mega salamence by one point

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:15:45 No.22298517 Report

Quoted By: >>22298604

>>22298475
Why would he even run a water move on Greninja? It's a rain team, he doesn't need the water coverage even if it's boosted by rain. If anything he should carry Grass Knot or whatever else do deal with Gastrodon and Swampert.
I consider MegaMence way more dangerous than Kanga, or at least harder to deal with. As I've said, nobody is going to leave their Kanga against a Greninja. Most variants carry Low Kick, most variants can deal a ton of damage to it, LO or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:19:02 No.22298551 Report

Quoted By:

Man salamence is tough on the physical side, mega lopunny wont OHKO it with ice punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:22:50 No.22298584 Report

Quoted By: >>22298597 >>22298602

Why use greninja if you want fighting/poison moves, when toxicroak exists?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:24:10 No.22298597 Report

Quoted By:

>>22298584
cus he's slow

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:24:23 No.22298602 Report

Quoted By:

>>22298584
Because it's much worse?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:24:29 No.22298604 Report

Quoted By: >>22298684

>>22298517
>>>>>>>>>grass knot greninja
lol. have fun with that. you could run gunk shot or scald, doesn't really matter. ice beam/low kick are the musts. the fact that you consider mence more dangerous than kang doesn't matter, the usage stats say otherwise. you can outspeed and OHKO mence with uninvested ice beam anyway. as far as not leaving kang in on greninja, you could say that about any super effective move on any pokemon. only 37.4 percent of greninja are running low kick in the first place. at higher levels of play you're gonna see players leaving mons in on SE hits a lot just to play mind games with their opponent, its not always smart to play defensively

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:27:07 No.22298635 Report

Quoted By: >>22298646 >>22298651 >>22298985

>tfw almost half of greninja carry gunk shot so my azumarill can't counter it

What is the hands down best counter to this thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:28:52 No.22298646 Report

Quoted By:

>>22298635
M-Swampert.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:29:19 No.22298651 Report

Quoted By:

>>22298635
porygon2 :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:33:38 No.22298684 Report

Quoted By:

>>22298604
He's not running protect so he might as well run whatever. One misprediction and he loses Greninja to kanga or whatever else. And mind plays aside, leaving kanga is really dangerous. 37% is a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 00:45:40 No.22298781 Report

Quoted By:

>>22298421
i've seen some with ice punch and some with drain punch, they seem like viable options

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 01:01:07 No.22298938 Report

Quoted By: >>22298987

I was reading the various reports on nuggetbridge and one of the people playing had a competitive wigglytuff
How would one create a spread for this?
I get that milotic has better stats, but man, the idea of running that thing is just hilarious to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 01:06:23 No.22298985 Report

Quoted By:

>>22298635
bulky gyara has been doing ok for me in singles

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 01:06:26 No.22298987 Report

Quoted By: >>22300158

>>22298938
I top cutted with one during my first tourney.

Wigglytuff (F) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Competitive
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 180 Def / 236 SpA / 12 SpD / 76 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dazzling Gleam
- Fire Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball

This was for 2014 so I'm not sure it makes sense now but it was a great Mawile counter.
I think it got icy wind now through move tutor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 01:28:08 No.22299160 Report

Quoted By: >>22299218 >>22299618

>>22298094 here
I bet at least one person was waiting for a response from me.

>>22298205
>Ludicolo
Is Rain Dish at least viable alone? I don't have an issue with Swift Swim, but I felt that it'd be a nice twist on Ludi. Looking back at the set, I think Synthesis/Fake Out were pretty bad ideas. Leech Seed/Giga Drain with Rain Dish and a Big Root seemed like a good idea on paper.
>Swampert
I'll admit that the set was pretty bad too. Rushed the set at the last minute because my original mega was Altaria.
>Salamence
Eh, I'm thinking about going Scarf now.
>Cresselia and Hitmontop
Never actually used them before. I couldn't remember if Top knew Mach Punch or not.
I also appreciated the suggestions for my backups.

>>22298282
I actually gave it to Greninja for opposing Tyranitars. I didn't think about Mega Mommy at the time.

>4 Atk Life Orb Protean Greninja Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Tyranitar: 250-296 (120.7 - 142.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
And even with max HP & Def, it still OHKO'd.

As for the Greninja issue, all I wanted was Greninja to smack shit before it goes down.
>Surf for extra power in the rain and a widespread move
>Low Kick was already mentioned
>Gunk Shot for fairies and specially defensive mons
>Ice Beam is pretty obvious
I don't know why people are thinking I'm running Scald. At least Politoed makes sense because of the bulk, but I wouldn't use it on anything frail.

5300-9466-8961

5300-9466-8961 Thu 25 Dec 2014 01:34:00 No.22299218 Report

Quoted By: >>22299294

>>22299160
>Ludi
fake out's not bad on ludi, but if you're running rain (and no assvest) leech seed or rain dance can be better
>LO
life orb isn't great on gren because a lot of things outspeed it now and it's frail as fuck. I'd rather get an attack off than die without launching a stronger attack, but whatever
>Gren
Surf is fucking garbage, even forgetting about the fact that greninja could be running better moves
it's a spread move (so it actually does less damage than scald), it hits your allies, and water is piss-poor coverage
try something decent like dark pulse, if you're against the far superior slot in protect

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 01:44:03 No.22299294 Report

Quoted By:

>>22299218
>so it actually does less damage than scald
I actually didn't know that. I thought Surf was still better because of the original BP.
>a lot of things outspeed gren
Well, after looking up the ORAS megas, I'm beginning to understand that. Focus Sash with Dark Pulse for extra coverage feels like the safer option now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 01:59:29 No.22299440 Report

Quoted By: >>22299466 >>22299471 >>22299487

Any tips for a trick room team? Aromatisse + Mega Steelix for days

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 02:01:52 No.22299466 Report

Quoted By: >>22299536

>>22299440
>Mega-Steelix
>Ever
Sorry to tell you anon, but that Mega is shit. Needs Sand AND Trick Room to get anything done? Way too much support for shit that other pokemon can do without wasting a Mega Slot and two pokemon to get it moving.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 02:02:38 No.22299471 Report

Quoted By:

>>22299440
Start with Cresselia
Steelix a shit try Camerupt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 02:03:36 No.22299487 Report

Quoted By:

>>22299440
m-camerupt & TR + sunny day cress

all day erry day

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 02:06:21 No.22299512 Report

Quoted By:

>>22290352
Mega Camerupt. Gonna try my luck with a TR team. It seems to work pretty well, actually. Besides, can't go wrong with base 145 special attack and Sheer Force, rolling around at the speed of sound.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 02:07:52 No.22299536 Report

Quoted By:

>>22299466
False

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 02:15:36 No.22299618 Report

Quoted By: >>22299851

>>22299160
The guy you replied to here. I can find you a better Swamp set. Ludicolo COULD work defensively, but there are powerful physical threats now and it can't bulk that kind of thing really well. TR can really fuck you up so I think you're on the right track now with dark pulse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 02:23:08 No.22299675 Report

Quoted By: >>22299744 >>22299761

anyone tried politoed + m swampert?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 02:35:42 No.22299744 Report

Quoted By:

>>22299675
eh, you could try it. I would sooner use ludicolo since it can outspeed and OHKO some big threats with ice beam, without getting its attack nerfed by intimidate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 02:38:02 No.22299761 Report

Quoted By:

>>22299675
Everyone has tried that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 02:47:26 No.22299851 Report

Quoted By: >>22299878 >>22299886

>>22299618
What kind of Swampert set were you thinking of? I was thinking of Protect/Waterfall/QuakeSlide.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 02:50:38 No.22299878 Report

Quoted By:

>>22299851
That works, most people use Ice Punch instead of Rock Slide though. A friend came up with this: Adamant, 252 HP / 92 Atk / 8 Def / 4 SpDef / 152 Spe. Who cares about EVs in VGC, right? I think they should be shared.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 02:51:10 No.22299886 Report

Quoted By:

>>22299851
Ice punch over Rock Slide.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 03:09:48 No.22300014 Report

Quoted By: >>22300034 >>22300156 >>22305194 >>22318611

Need to finish my Hoenn-themed team. Who should I put in to complete the team, and who should run mega?

Here's the team so far:
Flygon (sweeper)
Cacturne (spikes and shite)
Mawile (attacker/defensive)
Swampert (wall)
(possibly?) Manectric (sanic sweep/attack)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 03:11:28 No.22300034 Report

Quoted By:

>>22300014
Also, if I should replace a mon, feel free to tell me and stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 03:20:31 No.22300118 Report

Quoted By: >>22300402

>>22290315
Cybertron sounds like Verlisify

fuck that noise

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 03:24:16 No.22300156 Report

Quoted By: >>22300696

>>22300014
Don't run Cacturne. It's already not great in singles, but spikes are awful in VGC (the only remotely considerable entry hazard in doubles is maybe sticky web, even then I wouldn't recommend it). Instead, I'd recommend Ludicolo. It gives you Fake Out support, doesn't share any weaknesses with the rest of your team and can be bulky with an Assault Vest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 03:24:19 No.22300158 Report

Quoted By:

>>22298987
It doesn't get icy wind now, but thanks. Saved it to breed later. MMing a shiny cacturne now for sand veil butthurt.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 03:46:19 No.22300365 Report

Quoted By:

New to VGC, made this team for the 3v3 singles competition coming out soon. Don't know if there are any major weaknesses?

Magnezone is pretty much my water coverage where Alakazam can't cover.
Gyarados is my bulky support/swap in if I need to stop things from setting up or want to phase out Pokemon (still not 100% on him).
Want to try this Competitive Milotic as a counter to Salamence if anyone wants to try a cheesy sweep lead, as well as any intimidate users.
Not 100% on Gallade or Blaziken though.

To me it looks like a fairly balanced team but I've never played this format and want to see how I go I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 03:50:33 No.22300402 Report

Quoted By:

>>22300118
Agreed, but at least he knows what he's talking about

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 04:06:05 No.22300536 Report

Quoted By:

>>22296723
Okay, I've always heard how shit Verlisify is, but I never watched his videos so.

>1 minute in
>"Can't build your team around one pokemon"
>"have to flow chart this in a way"

Seriously, what the fuck am I listening to?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 04:16:25 No.22300616 Report

Quoted By: >>22300676

Guys, running Electivire in VGC: How?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 04:22:47 No.22300676 Report

Quoted By: >>22301040

>>22300616
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/danger-danger-high-voltage-an-overview-of-electric-pokemon-in-vgc/

>All right, now we’re getting into some more fun Pokémon! Electivire is one of those Electric Pokémon everyone wants to use, but knows is awful. And I can’t really argue against that; Electivire is such an underachiever… but I like him so I’m gonna talk about him anyway. The best thing about Electivire is his insane coverage. He can easily hit 13 types for Super Effective damage. Maybe with a Life Orb or Expert Belt he can actually get OHKOs instead of falling short of expectations. A Shuca Berry might be a better option since Electivire excels in getting 2HKOs. Motor Drive is a cool ability; if you can get two boots off of it you can outspeed Kingdra in rain and Excadrill in sand. Electivire has almost no chance of stat boosting without Motor Drive as he is limited to Barrier and Meditate. With the current popularity of Breloom you might also be able to get some use out of Vital Spirit, Electivire’s other ability. Not much else to say about Electivire; he’s a cool Pokémon, but he’s really not that good.
this sums up my feelings on Electivire and hopefully offers you some alternatives

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 04:24:57 No.22300696 Report

Quoted By:

>>22300156
Cool, thanks!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 04:33:16 No.22300769 Report

Quoted By: >>22300828

>>22298283
>average smogonite
http://www.smogon.com/album/rodan

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 04:38:14 No.22300828 Report

Quoted By:

>>22300769
>he moderates a japanese RPG fan site
>he does it for no compensation

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 04:58:18 No.22300997 Report

Quoted By: >>22305077 >>22305452

Swampert @ Swampertite
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Protect
- Ice Punch

Politoed @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Protect
- Rain Dance
- Ice Beam

Ludicolo @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Fake Out
- Giga Drain
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 172 Def / 68 SpA / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
- Thunder
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Roost
- Heat Wave

Talonflame @ Life Orb
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Tailwind
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz

Ferrothorn @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 248 HP / 100 Atk / 160 Def
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Leech Seed
- Protect
- Gyro Ball
- Power Whip

Anyone have any changes/useful info to tell me? Never done VGC dubs before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 05:03:44 No.22301040 Report

Quoted By:

>>22300676

>electabuzz actuall has more speed than electivire

they really fucked up this one

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 05:07:17 No.22301068 Report

Quoted By: >>22301857

>>22296723
>Look guize I can make dunsparse sooper OP with minimize drifblim and Psyche Up lookit me so cool

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 06:42:57 No.22301857 Report

Quoted By: >>22302119

>>22301068
I wouldn't give a fuck about Verlisify if he wasn't disseminating bad information to kids trying to learn VGC. I wonder if he even realizes the harm he's doing or if he cares.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 07:15:57 No.22302119 Report

Quoted By:

>>22301857
He probably does, but I'm guessing he wouldn't care since he does it for the Youtube fame at this point... Whatever that's worth these days [/spoilers]

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 07:32:35 No.22302222 Report

Quoted By:

>>22290352
Anyone who says they don't powersave their IVs for legendaries despite having 5-6IV or Hidden Power perfect IV spreads with a positive nature that complements it is obviously a liar. Heck, I've seen VGV players rub it in the hack checks face by having them shiny, too. Like people are expected to believe they managed to get the perfect mon with perfect IVs and a perfect nature along with being a shiny. What are the odds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 07:37:36 No.22302248 Report

Quoted By: >>22302347

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoublessuspecttest-196851726

tfw none of your pokemen have to die

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 07:45:38 No.22302310 Report

Quoted By: >>22302400 >>22303843 >>22304022 >>22304918 >>22304941

>>22293784
>hack check
The VGC checks are godawful. I've seen some obviously hacked mons get in simply because they're technically possible within the game, but are almost impossible to obtain legitimately. Getting a 6IV Rotom or Metagross should raise anyone's flags, because there's no way someone managed to get one without RNG or Powersave, same goes for shiny 6IV legends, but the checks don't see anything wrong with it because there's a one-in-a-billion possibility of getting one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 07:49:34 No.22302347 Report

Quoted By:

>>22302248

dat shield dust tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 07:56:04 No.22302400 Report

Quoted By: >>22304861

>>22302310
>simply because they're technically possible within the game
They didn't even have to be technically possible, I believe 3rd (and possibly 4th gen) had certain IV nature combinations be impossible on stationary mons. GF don't know their own game that well.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a HP Fighting Cress pop-up at some point this year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 08:14:41 No.22302549 Report

Quoted By:

what damage calculator includes mega evolutions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 11:43:27 No.22303843 Report

Quoted By:

>>22302310
B-but I just got lucky :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 12:14:29 No.22304022 Report

Quoted By:

>>22302310
Getting a 6IV nongendered pokemon legit is perfectly feasible with a sav'd 6IV ditto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 14:59:07 No.22304861 Report

Quoted By: >>22304933

>>22302400
And the most sad thing is that even now with the Pentagon filtering a fuckton of bullshit obviously genned stuff keeps passing.

Well, not like it matters. That everyone and their mom hacks is a open secret. It's just that there's always a shitstorm whenever some idiot fuck ups like the fucktard of Ray.

Honestly, what worries me the most is the much more positive for the average person image of VGC, specially after Sejun won with fucking Pachirisu, will be shattered thanks to legends domination coming back. Anyone with half a brain knows that legend is a meaningless title but the people with half a brain are the minority and the average person will simply turn back and step out from the game when they see it is dominated by legends.

It's pretty sad because this year the support the game is getting is much greater than before, just look at the prizes this year for example but all the people that have gotten in thanks to 6th Gen as a whole and VGC14 being a relatively "legends free" enviroment may want to pull out because legends are back.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 15:11:56 No.22304907 Report

Quoted By: >>22305212

>tfw beating an OUbabby with "shitmons"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 15:14:05 No.22304918 Report

Quoted By:

>>22302310
The chances are low but I've got a lot of 5IV Porygons. Nongendered you don't need to worry about egg moves so you keep stacking and rerolling for IVs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 15:17:43 No.22304933 Report

Quoted By:

>>22304861
zapdos was everywhere in 2014 though

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 15:18:44 No.22304941 Report

Quoted By:

>>22302310
I got a pentaperfect rotom back before pokebank even worked, using only friend safari dittos

1v1 me faget

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 15:35:46 No.22305010 Report

Quoted By:

>>22296723
>my idea was azelf with normal gem explosion and tornadus with tailwind
>then i'd come in with zapdos and garchomp
Looks like someone just discovered DisQuake. Maybe in a couple years he'll figure up Beat Up+Terrakion

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 15:41:50 No.22305051 Report

Quoted By: >>22305181 >>22305197

What are some viable pokemon to run alongside Mega-zardY for a sun team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 15:46:04 No.22305077 Report

Quoted By: >>22305129

>>22300997
Give Ludicolo Rain Dance as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 15:53:55 No.22305129 Report

Quoted By:

>>22305077
Don't do this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 15:54:26 No.22305134 Report

Quoted By: >>22305164 >>22305397

What's a good Sylveon set?
For the life of me I can't work out what to put in the last slot or how to distribute HP/Defense EVs.

Sylveon @ Life Orb
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 128 HP / 252 SpA / 128 SpD
Modest Nature
- Protect
- Hyper Voice
- Shadow Ball
- Wish

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 15:59:07 No.22305164 Report

Quoted By: >>22305181

>>22305134
HP Ground instead of wish?
Use nugget bridge and find a good set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:01:17 No.22305181 Report

Quoted By: >>22305186 >>22305190

>>22305051
I'd say Mamoswine is the go to choice considering Garchomp and Landorus-T's presence in the game.

>>22305164
What does HP Ground hit that Shadow Ball doesn't?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:02:34 No.22305186 Report

Quoted By: >>22305196

>>22305181
Heatran, who's everywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:03:09 No.22305190 Report

Quoted By: >>22305196

>>22305181
How about the one thing that quad resists fairy that is a staple of VGC in previous years?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:03:54 No.22305194 Report

Quoted By: >>22306319

>>22300014
this is a gamefaq tier post. anon are you 12?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:04:23 No.22305196 Report

Quoted By: >>22305208 >>22305218

>>22305186
>>22305190
Maybe I should have mentioned my team.

>Mega Camerut
>Hariyama
>Rotom Wash

I don't think Heatran's a threat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:05:15 No.22305197 Report

Quoted By:

>>22305051
a lot
chlorophyll users, solar power heliolisk, things that will appreciate weakened water attacks like landorus and gliscor

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:08:27 No.22305207 Report

Quoted By: >>22305254 >>22305293

Is hailroom viable again? I kept trying to use it anyway last year but it was an uphill struggle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:08:30 No.22305208 Report

Quoted By: >>22305233 >>22305397

>>22305196
>mega camerupt
Uhhh... hate to tell you...but...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:08:59 No.22305212 Report

Quoted By:

>>22304907
got a replay of that or are you just pretending to be verlisify with his OP Driftloom? :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:09:51 No.22305218 Report

Quoted By: >>22305233

>>22305196
Wish isn't going to work in doubles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:12:00 No.22305233 Report

Quoted By: >>22305279 >>22305284

>>22305208
Yes?

>>22305218
That's why I'm asking for recommendations.
And I guess none of us here is any good at EVs either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:14:33 No.22305254 Report

Quoted By:

>>22305207
Wait until the meta stabilizes to break out the hailroom, things are too caustic to tell.
Hailroom will be viable imo since trick room is way more viable. VGC 2014 was hell for anyone using TR not named that one Euro dude that won with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:20:46 No.22305279 Report

Quoted By: >>22305299 >>22305423

>>22305233
Hp ground or psychock. And I'm not going to spoon feed you, sorry. Use nugget bridge and find a good spread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:21:27 No.22305284 Report

Quoted By: >>22305299 >>22305334

>>22305233
Nigga first of all if you wanna make EV spreads you need
>VGC 15 Speed Tier list
and this
>http://survivalcalc.appspot.com/

>Have enough EVs to outspeed relavent threat
>Have enough EVs to fulfill offensive goals(i.e either 252 for max offense or enough to OHKO relavent threat)
>Use remaining EVs to fulfill defensive goals(i.e survive Modest ZardY Ogreheat or Adamant Double-Edge from MegaKhan/Mence)
>???
>PROFIT

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:22:35 No.22305293 Report

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>>22305207
it should be, a lot of fast mons in the meta, and a lot of mons could use perfect accuracy blizzard to deal with mega salamences.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:23:16 No.22305299 Report

Quoted By: >>22305327

>>22305279
>find a good spread
>not making your own spreads
>>22305284
Enlighten yourselves plebians

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:28:20 No.22305327 Report

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>>22305299
That works too, and i sometimes spend my time to come up with a spread i like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:29:25 No.22305334 Report

Quoted By: >>22305377

>>22305284
Speed was taken into consideration for the more popular Pokemon in Sylveon's speed tier but I can't check the speed of every possible set.

And I ran some damage calcs, if it's not neutral or un-STAB Super Effective Sylveon doesn't survive it. I can't run damage calcs for every possible set either.

I don't know what will REALLY stay in VGC 2015, it's too early to really say. People just assume 2013 with Mega evolutions but I don't think that's how shit works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:35:41 No.22305377 Report

Quoted By: >>22305423

>>22305334
Holy shit I'm not going to hold your fucking hand through this entire process. Just run max speed and max SpA with life orb or specs if you're so anally ravaged by making EV spreads. That probably will end up being the standard for now anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:38:59 No.22305397 Report

Quoted By: >>22305423

>>22305208
mega camerupt is good m8

it's as good as eruptran was in gen 5

>>22305134
psyshock is good in the last slot for amoongus

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:42:34 No.22305423 Report

Quoted By: >>22305450

>>22305279
>copy other people like I do

And only thing Psyshock hits that Hyper Voice doesn't is Special Walls (do we even have those in VGC?) and Amoonguss (Mega Venusaur is a thing too I guess).

>>22305377
You don't know what you're even talking about, do you?

>>22305397
I guess it wouldn't hurt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:43:23 No.22305428 Report

Quoted By:

For resources you should include the 3ds.pokemon-gl.com site, since it offers the most in-depth information on the metagame aside from smogon usage stats, which aren't really a good indicator since Showdown isn't a good indicator of the full meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:46:30 No.22305450 Report

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>>22305423
Better than wish. Also hits Gengar and other poison types. You can even run hp fire if you want, anything is fine as long as it fits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 16:46:32 No.22305452 Report

Quoted By: >>22305872

>>22300997
You have Sitrus berry twice

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 17:54:10 No.22305872 Report

Quoted By:

>>22305452
Ludicolo is meant to be AssVest, whoops.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 18:49:52 No.22306319 Report

Quoted By:

>>22305194
n-no?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 21:38:06 No.22307704 Report

Quoted By: >>22307749 >>22307887

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqWT-9IxHr4

Aaron Zheng's 2015 Cresselia analysis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9N84GtW0H8

Alex Ogloza finally getting some 2015 matches up

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 21:42:14 No.22307749 Report

Quoted By:

>>22307704
neat, thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 21:56:03 No.22307887 Report

Quoted By: >>22307936

>>22307704
Who are these people and why should I be interested. The first one at least seems informative but the second guy appears to be a dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:00:13 No.22307936 Report

Quoted By: >>22307962

>>22307887
They're two great players, and both have been to Worlds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:03:03 No.22307962 Report

Quoted By: >>22307978 >>22308173

>>22307936
The second guy's thought process seems a bit off. I'll check out some of his other videos later.

Also, mega-salamence is going to be extremely common, right? Is there anything that can legitimately counter it? I feel like trick room might be strong for 2015.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:05:06 No.22307978 Report

Quoted By: >>22307995

>>22307962
Nothing can counter it, same deal as mega Kanga. Some mons can take a hit and OHKO back or outspeed and KO, I really like Milotic, Greninja, Sylveon(if it's special), a few scarfers, etc etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:07:27 No.22307995 Report

Quoted By: >>22308010

>>22307978
I was asking about competitive wigglytuff the other day, not as a counter but something that can kill it back and swap it on a potential draco meteor or dragon claw, but I'm under the assumption that it couldn't take a double-edge or return from it.
Milotic seems like a good option for the competitive boost and how bulky it can be. Not exactly sure still, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:09:07 No.22308010 Report

Quoted By: >>22308040

>>22307995
I think Wigglytuff is better as a Mawile counter, since it learns Fire Blast and is a sure KO with the Competitive boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:11:58 No.22308040 Report

Quoted By: >>22308060

>>22308010
Yes, that was suggested. I'm really just thinking up as to what I want to use on my team in general and thought wigglytuff was just hilarious in that it could actually be useful in some format.
I feel like I wanna use rhyperior and I know he functions well under trick room, just not sure on anything else. Probably a mega mawile since mawile's been my favorite since gen three came out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:14:20 No.22308060 Report

Quoted By:

>>22308040
Mawile's always a good choice, can it survive a Fire Blast from a 252 SpA Mega Mence? I think it has declined in popularity recently, which is a shame, since it's still a great mega, but most players have learned how to play around it.
Don't use Rhyperior, use Eviolite Rhydon, frees up an item slot, same damage and way bulkier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:16:05 No.22308070 Report

Quoted By: >>22308099 >>22308101

Thundurus (M) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 196 HP / 48 SpA / 156 SpD / 108 Spe
Calm Nature
- Taunt
- Discharge
- Thunder Wave
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Am I wasting evs ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:18:27 No.22308099 Report

Quoted By: >>22308142

>>22308070
I don't know. Is it? What do these EVs accomplish? Why Discharge?

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5300-9466-8961 Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:18:53 No.22308101 Report

Quoted By: >>22308142

>>22308070
>discharge
is it with mega sceptile?
also, what are the speed evs for?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:22:51 No.22308142 Report

Quoted By: >>22308157 >>22308244

>>22308101
>>22308099
Discharge with Mega Swampert, I'm trying to make a rain team
The team is Politoed/M-swamp/Ludicolo/Thundurus/Talonflame/Landorus-I which I think will be replaced

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5300-9466-8961 Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:24:25 No.22308157 Report

Quoted By: >>22308244

>>22308142
1.) explain what you're accomplishing with the given ev spread
2.) run thunderbolt, discharge is garbage unless you're running a gimmick boosting thing like lightningrod scep

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:25:56 No.22308173 Report

Quoted By: >>22308230 >>22308344

>>22307962
who the fuck are you to say Alex Ogloza's thought process is off? Dude is the 2014 U.S nationals masters champion. Aaron Zheng is a legend in VGC, 3rd at worlds 2013 masters and a two time U.S national champion in the senior division, plus multiple regional titles

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:30:42 No.22308230 Report

Quoted By:

>>22308173
Nobody in particular, no need to get butthurt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:31:23 No.22308244 Report

Quoted By:

>>22308142
Looks pretty good, I like it. Landorus-I could be replaced with maybe Hitmontop to deal with steel types easier. It also has Intimidate and Fake Out.

>>22308157
DisQuake is always good.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:33:59 No.22308276 Report

Quoted By: >>22308294

I wasn't really paying attention while hatching ferros and then I finish with the batch and look at the first one and the stats look possibly 5IV.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:35:02 No.22308289 Report

Quoted By: >>22308360

Then I go to the next one and see this

>those def/spdef stats

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:35:23 No.22308294 Report

Quoted By: >>22308321

>>22308276
>correct balltism
Nice work, Anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:37:51 No.22308321 Report

Quoted By: >>22308337

>>22308294
It's a curse really. Makes things take so much longer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:39:20 No.22308333 Report

Quoted By:

How do you guys do with those 5iv legendaries with hidden power Ice ?
I'm hurting myself

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:39:55 No.22308337 Report

Quoted By:

>>22308321
I'm trying to get a good suicune in a dive ball right now. It's not that bad really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:40:29 No.22308344 Report

Quoted By:

>>22308173
not that guy, but i'm a little disappointed with that video. the battle is not good and alex acts like he barely knows his own mons and the meta. he's a great player nonetheless, i look forward to more serious videos

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:42:15 No.22308360 Report

Quoted By: >>22308369

>>22308289
It's 31/31/x/31/x/0

Quill me

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:43:09 No.22308369 Report

Quoted By: >>22308388 >>22308448

>>22308360
Use powersave

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:44:52 No.22308388 Report

Quoted By:

>>22308369
I already have plans for it.

Whip/Gyro/Knock Off/Explosion @ Band

I'll use it on passerby.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:45:06 No.22308390 Report

Quoted By: >>22308474

I really want to run a Modest, Specs Hydreigon. I'm running some HP EVs so that it can survive a standard Jolly Dragon Claw from Garchomp. My main problem is I don't know what to partner up with it. I'm thinking of maybe running Tailwind - Suicune seems like a good bulky option. Any tips for making Specs Hydreigon work?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:51:57 No.22308448 Report

Quoted By: >>22308474

>>22308369
Do local tournaments check it ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 22:55:14 No.22308474 Report

Quoted By:

>>22308448
All I know is that they're identical to normal ones. hack checkers aren't really good and only find the most obvious things, like unreleased HAs, impossible to get moves, that kind of thing.

>>22308390
Specs Hydreigon wrecks everything. Something that takes cares of faeries and speed control works best with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 23:15:03 No.22308607 Report

Quoted By:

>Putting Cybertron on the OP.
At least I'm glad the fucker's finally uploading himself losing. It was pathetic to watch 4-0 after 4-0 against easy opponents when he loses online often enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 23:21:40 No.22308693 Report

Quoted By: >>22308720 >>22308741 >>22308843

Is PerishTrap viable this gen? What should I use appart from Mega Gengar and Gothielle?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 23:23:01 No.22308720 Report

Quoted By: >>22308741

>>22308693
probably something like '14, encore/fake out raichu or something similar

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 23:25:23 No.22308741 Report

Quoted By: >>22310464

>>22308693
>>22308720
How about Weavile? It's a fast fake out user and has a powerful knock off

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 23:37:48 No.22308843 Report

Quoted By: >>22308855

>>22308693
mega gengar + whimsicott is a really annoying but effective combo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 23:38:58 No.22308855 Report

Quoted By: >>22308909

>>22308843
What set should I use for Whimsicott?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Dec 2014 23:45:59 No.22308909 Report

Quoted By:

>>22308855
taunt, encore, protect, and filler (dazzling gleam, tailwind, etc)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 02:30:22 No.22310464 Report

Quoted By:

>>22308741
weavile is pretty good. it lacks encore, but encore isn't terribly useful against better players anyway.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 02:37:16 No.22310544 Report

Quoted By: >>22310550 >>22312118

Victreebel is amazing in Doubles! How no one uses it is beyond me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 02:38:48 No.22310550 Report

Quoted By: >>22310559

>>22310544
what does it do better than venusaur?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 02:40:03 No.22310559 Report

Quoted By: >>22310590

>>22310550
Encore and Weather Ball.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 02:43:14 No.22310590 Report

Quoted By: >>22310663

>>22310559
encore is kinda cool. weather ball isn't too useful since you usually pair venusaur with a fire type like charizard y

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 02:51:00 No.22310663 Report

Quoted By: >>22311418

>>22310590
I pair my Victreebel with Charizard Y and it does just as good, if not better.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 04:00:46 No.22311418 Report

Quoted By: >>22311534

>>22310663
Do you have any replays to share?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 04:12:37 No.22311534 Report

Quoted By: >>22311648 >>22311878

>>22311418
Unfortunately I haven't been saving my replays, but I can give you my ev spread in case you're interested. I'll have some replays tomorrow once I get some rest.

Victreebel @ Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll
EV's: 156 HP/ 116 Def/ 136 Sp.Atk/ 100 Spe.
Modest Nature
- Giga Drain
- Weather Ball
- Hidden Power Ice
- Encore

Outspeeds Adamant Garchomp under Sun and 2HKO's with HP Ice

OHKO's Politoed (Forgot which set) with Giga Drain.

OHKO's Adamant M-Mawile with Weather Ball under Sun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 04:23:48 No.22311648 Report

Quoted By: >>22311724

>>22311534
Looks interesting anon. I may have to try that out myself

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 04:30:15 No.22311724 Report

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>>22311648
Hope you do well with it if you use it.

I'm also trying to think of my last two team mates for my Sun Team. So far I have Victreebel, Charizard Y, Garchomp, and Rotom W. I've had Lucario, Cinccino, Sableye, and Scrafty but none of them worked as well as I hoped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 04:46:15 No.22311878 Report

Quoted By: >>22312003 >>22314144

>>22311534
As much as I'd love to run calcs right now, I figured you've done them already. How does this do against the big 5? Aka Kang, Sylveon, Mence, Lando, and Talonflame (OHKO BB)?

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5300-9466-8961 Fri 26 Dec 2014 04:57:01 No.22312003 Report

Quoted By: >>22314144

>>22311878
252 Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 156 HP / 116 Def Victreebel: 153-181 (87.4 - 103.4%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Psyshock vs. 156 HP / 116 Def Victreebel: 160-190 (91.4 - 108.5%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Aerilate Mega Salamence Hyper Voice vs. 156 HP / 0 SpD Victreebel: 188-224 (107.4 - 128%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 156 HP / 116 Def Victreebel: 182-216 (104 - 123.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
it's victreebel
expecting anything beyond mediocre at best is too much

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 04:59:37 No.22312030 Report

Quoted By: >>22312046

Anyone knows a cool EV spread for the good Infernape?
And also, I don't know what it's better... Feint, Quick Guard or Encore? Given that I have already Fake Out, Close Combat and Overheat

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5300-9466-8961 Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:00:21 No.22312046 Report

Quoted By: >>22312076

>>22312030
max attack max speed naive is pretty much the best spread imo
it gives you a decent chance to OHKO mega kang

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:03:00 No.22312076 Report

Quoted By: >>22312094 >>22312603

>>22312046
It can get the KOs in Aegislash and Mawile with Overheat?
Sorry, I'm on my cellphone and can't access to any Damage Calculator

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5300-9466-8961 Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:05:01 No.22312094 Report

Quoted By: >>22312134 >>22312141 >>22312603

>>22312076
252 SpA Infernape Overheat vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 134-162 (80.2 - 97%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
it can ohko max spdef mawile though
252 SpA Infernape Overheat vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mega Mawile: 144-170 (91.7 - 108.2%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:08:16 No.22312118 Report

Quoted By: >>22312135

>>22310544
I used Victreebel in the 2013 winter regionals. I made it to the first chair after going 4-0, but just barely lost that match. Then I couldn't mentally recover. But it was a good ride.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:10:23 No.22312134 Report

Quoted By: >>22312202

>>22312094
But, consider take in account that I'm going to use the Physical based 252 Atk

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:10:31 No.22312135 Report

Quoted By:

>>22312118
>Miles
ayy that's my name

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:10:59 No.22312141 Report

Quoted By: >>22312202

>>22312094

>max SpA EVs

stoooooooooooooooop

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:13:57 No.22312176 Report

Quoted By: >>22312192 >>22312212 >>22312463

So let me get this strait, this thing checks or counters

>Heatran
>Talonflame
>Sylveon
>Aeglislash
>Bisharp
>Mega Salamence
>Thundurus
>Mega Charizard-Y

and with HP Ice can also handle/better handle

>Landorus-T
>Garchomp
>Salamence

And it's not very popular? I understand that in terms of countering ground types, rain teams Ttar and Heatran Rotom-W is better, and that rock slide is very common with all the scarf'd landos everywhere, but you'd think the potential to win 1v1 against 3/4 the current top twelve would be worth something.

Am I ignoring some key flaw Rotom-H has? Is it that it can only have Overheat for fire STAB? Is it how common rain and Tyranitar are?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:15:42 No.22312192 Report

Quoted By:

>>22312176
I've used it since 2012. Still love it.

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5300-9466-8961 Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:17:03 No.22312202 Report

Quoted By: >>22312368 >>22312476 >>22317928

>>22312134
>>22312141
sorry, I thought he was implying that another spread would be able to get those KOs
4 special attack evs pretty much only guarantees a kill on adamant low spdef mawile
4 SpA Infernape Overheat vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Mawile: 162-192 (103.1 - 122.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
on "standard" mawile it misses out 100%
4 SpA Infernape Overheat vs. 252 HP / 180+ SpD Mega Mawile: 122-146 (77.7 - 92.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
so it's really a choice between mawile or kang (obviously other things are affected by the spread aswell) so it depends on what your team needs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:17:49 No.22312210 Report

Quoted By: >>22312232

>252 SpA Typhlosion Eruption (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Salamence in Sun: 69-81 (40.3 - 47.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252 SpA Typhlosion Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Salamence in Sun: 68-81 (39.7 - 47.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

hold up something ain't right here,

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:17:55 No.22312212 Report

Quoted By:

>>22312176
Nah it's good man, Rotom-Cut can put in some work in certain teams too. Dat leaf storm killing power

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:19:48 No.22312232 Report

Quoted By:

>>22312210
wait nevermind, eruption hits multiple foes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:35:24 No.22312368 Report

Quoted By:

>>22312202

>4 SpA Expert Belt Infernape Overheat vs. 252 HP / 180+ SpD Mega Mawile: 146-175 (92.9 - 111.4%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

Expert Belt and Quick Guard to dodge those bravest birds is the best thing to do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:45:01 No.22312461 Report

Quoted By: >>22312467

How is timid Latias looking in this format, both regular and mega? Anyone have any decent spreads for them?

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5300-9466-8961 Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:45:29 No.22312463 Report

Quoted By:

>>22312176
probably because
>rock slide weakness
>outclassed by heatran in most ways (except for ground immunity)
>can't run alongside muh washing machine
>no access to anything but overheat
>has pretty much 4 usable attacking moves
but it's actually pretty good, and definitely my favorite rotom forme

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5300-9466-8961 Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:46:31 No.22312467 Report

Quoted By:

>>22312461
mega latis are pretty much a shit
too bad they didn't get a speed boost
and regulars aren't seeing much usage because they're outsped by so much and don't have draco gem to nuke

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Marcus 2509-0886-0985 Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:46:36 No.22312469 Report

Quoted By:

What's a good EV spread for HP fire Greninja?
I was thinking of running Gunk Shot/Low Kick/Ice Beam/HP Fire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:47:17 No.22312476 Report

Quoted By:

>>22312202
M-Maybe
>4 SpA Blaze Infernape Overheat vs. 252 HP / 156+ SpD Mega Mawile: 186-222 (118.4 - 141.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:55:35 No.22312571 Report

Quoted By:

>mfw the 6 IV finally hatches

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:59:07 No.22312603 Report

Quoted By:

>>22312076
>>22312094
I'm 8th on the PS ladder (not that that means a whole lot) with this infernape nature/spread/item. Sash is overrated imo, but no matter what item you use I would max out that attack. Expert belt or life orb just guarantees that OHKO on kang. I wouldn't count on it without a damage boosting item. Sashfernape in this meta is misusing infernape imo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 06:00:39 No.22312617 Report

Quoted By:

This is still in the planning stages, but how do you think this will fare in Doubles?

Suicune
Zapdos
Talonflame
M-Kangaskhan
Hydreigon
Landorus-T

Basically, Two tailwind pokemon (Talonflame, a fast physical sweeper, and Suicune, a Bulky water with Snarl support) Zapdos and Landorus-T pull of the time and tested DisQuake (Landorus-T can also work with Hydreigon or Talonflame). M-Kanga comes in with a huge amount of hurt. Landorus-T also fires off an Intimidate whenever someone rears their face.

I don't know. I'm going for a Bulkier team than I'm used to and I'm not even sure who to use for my mega spot. Kanga has decent synergy with Suicune so I thought that'd work well.

Thoughts? I know there's no EV spreads and I'm working on the calcs now, but I'm definitely going for the bulkier team who uses the Tailwind support. I mostly built the team around Suicune.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 06:31:51 No.22312905 Report

Quoted By: >>22312920 >>22312925 >>22312926 >>22312935 >>22312954 >>22314963

I dont think I can get a trick room past taunters

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 06:34:26 No.22312920 Report

Quoted By: >>22312948

>>22312905
Mental Herb

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5300-9466-8961 Fri 26 Dec 2014 06:34:48 No.22312925 Report

Quoted By: >>22312948

>>22312905
if you're having that much trouble you could try mental herb cresselia, or your own prankster taunt with thundurus

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 06:34:51 No.22312926 Report

Quoted By: >>22312948

>>22312905

>mental herb

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 06:36:02 No.22312935 Report

Quoted By: >>22312972

>>22312905
Aromatisse

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 06:38:07 No.22312948 Report

Quoted By: >>22312956

>>22312920
>>22312925
>>22312926
woo, didn't know about that
was using eviolite dusclops trying to get past fake outers. Guess I can try switching to dusknoir.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 06:39:08 No.22312954 Report

Quoted By: >>22312972

>>22312905
What is Aromatisse?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LVLujkx4jo

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5300-9466-8961 Fri 26 Dec 2014 06:39:12 No.22312956 Report

Quoted By: >>22312972

>>22312948
>dusknoir
please no
dusknoir is a shitmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 06:42:01 No.22312972 Report

Quoted By: >>22312982

>>22312956
or cofagrigus I suppose.
>>22312935
>>22312954
thats an idea too, wanting to lead with abomasnow though so I dont have to switch him in.

5300-9466-8961

5300-9466-8961 Fri 26 Dec 2014 06:43:11 No.22312982 Report

Quoted By: >>22313002

>>22312972
aromatisse would be the trick room setter in this scenario you dolt

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 06:45:01 No.22313002 Report

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>>22312982
but then every team I run into will run fake out instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 07:55:50 No.22313488 Report

Quoted By: >>22314157

I am better than you at VGC. AMA

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 08:15:46 No.22313618 Report

Quoted By: >>22314154 >>22314394 >>22314399

How's this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 10:16:29 No.22314144 Report

Quoted By:

>>22311878
>>22312003
Victreebel user here.

136+ SpA Life Orb Victreebel Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs 4 HP/0 SpD Mega Kangaskhan in Sun - - Guaranteed 2HKO

136+ SpA Life Orb Victreebel Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs 4 HP/0 SpD Sylveonin Sun -- Possible 8HKO

A Mega Salamence was not available but from my experience it was a 2HKO with HP Ice. Your experience maybe different though.

136+ SpA Life Orb Victreebel Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs 4HP/0 SpD Talonflame in Sun -- guaranteed 3HKO

I'll be honest it's not going to beat the Big 5 but I think it's obvious when half of them are Flying and the others have high defenses or attack. If anything you will have to use it carefully when battling them. Switch out if you have to or replace Encore with Protect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 10:22:44 No.22314154 Report

Quoted By: >>22318251

>>22313618
You have protect on a scarfed tyranitar. You sure about that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 10:24:45 No.22314157 Report

Quoted By: >>22314276

>>22313488
Where did you place at worlds?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 10:56:13 No.22314271 Report

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got annoyed at losing streak at bottom of the ladder, make crack team with smoochum thrown in, smoochum da MVP
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2015-197150702

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 10:58:38 No.22314276 Report

Quoted By:

>>22314157
Second this

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 11:34:01 No.22314394 Report

Quoted By:

>>22313618
Terrible spreads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 11:35:03 No.22314399 Report

Quoted By:

>>22313618
I'd put a couple extra speed in that mawile and rotom because people love to speed creep around them

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 12:19:47 No.22314543 Report

Quoted By: >>22314708 >>22314982

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2015-197161458

Can we all agree that M-Audino is good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 13:03:33 No.22314708 Report

Quoted By:

>>22314543
No, your jellicent did most of the work there. And your opponent is a retard for cosmic power mega lopunny.

If you want trick room + rain dance + water spout shenanigans, cofagrigus + m-blastoise do it better

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 14:06:52 No.22314963 Report

Quoted By:

>>22312905
Slowbro, Aromatisse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 14:12:35 No.22314982 Report

Quoted By:

>>22314543
Its not bad
ive seen people get upset when swept by the calm mind set

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 14:25:24 No.22315032 Report

Quoted By: >>22315070

I have problem to deal with bulky water mons like suicune or swampert, also genies are a little pain when they run choice scarf, any advice
MY current team:
Lopunny @ Lopunnite
Ability: Limber
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Drain Punch
- Ice Punch
- Protect

Cresselia (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 224 HP / 72 Def / 136 SpA / 76 SpD
Calm Nature
- Helping Hand
- Icy Wind
- Psyshock
- Swagger

Garchomp @ Lum Berry
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Claw
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Protect

Rotom-Heat @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Def / 140 SpA / 36 SpD / 84 Spe
Serious Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Thunderbolt
- Overheat
- Protect

Sylveon @ Life Orb
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 140 HP / 72 Def / 180 SpA / 84 SpD / 32 Spe
Calm Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Shadow Ball
- Helping Hand
- Protect

Aegislash @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- King's Shield
- Shadow Ball
- Flash Cannon
- Shadow Sneak

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 14:32:55 No.22315070 Report

Quoted By:

>>22315032
>Aegislash @ Weakness Policy
>Ability: Stance Change
>EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
>Sassy Nature

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 16:53:17 No.22315972 Report

Quoted By: >>22316335 >>22316503 >>22317461 >>22318011

Guys help, how do you cope with ladder anxiety? I can't bring myself to battle more than a few times a day, even though I'm on a new account with a new team I don't give a shit about. It's just draining.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 17:40:08 No.22316335 Report

Quoted By:

>>22315972
Practice until you believe in your skills. Try to always think you can beat your opponent.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 18:04:24 No.22316503 Report

Quoted By:

>>22315972
Believe in the heart of the balls

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 20:12:51 No.22317387 Report

Quoted By:

>>22290315
I just got an idea for a core.
Mega Charizard Y and Terrakion.
>Terrakion can close combat Rock Types that threaten Charizard
>Charizard can kill Fire Types like Scizor, Mawile and Aegislash that threaten Terrakion
>Terrakion can fuck over Kangaskhan hard
>Terrakion can Helping Hand Charizard for MAX POWER HEAT WAVES UNDER THE SUN
>Both die to Landorus and Garchomp so you better get a counter for that
How viable is this, /vp/ and what partners you recommend?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 20:20:41 No.22317461 Report

Quoted By:

>>22315972
This happens to me too, in the middle of the battle I always feel a rush of adrenaline and my brain starts to work ten times faster

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 21:19:24 No.22317928 Report

Quoted By:

>>22312202
no one runs ray's mawile spread anymore. no one runs careful mawile. naive infernape with 252atk/4sp atk is the best infernape, especially with a damage boosting item

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 21:30:54 No.22318011 Report

Quoted By:

>>22315972
HOLY SHIT, this guy here, found the perfect cure. If I do three battles at once, I don't have time to stress out and be nervous, because I'm too busy trying not to time out. Really helps me out, and earns me those fake Smogon points much faster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 21:40:29 No.22318093 Report

Quoted By: >>22318254 >>22318783

Hope somebody could help me figure out what does and doesn't work in my VGC team.

I've been thinking about subbing out Kanga fir Mawile, but I don't know what to do.

_____pls

Roo (Kangaskhan) (F) @ Kangaskhanite
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Return
- Power-Up Punch
- Sucker Punch

Chi (Togekiss) (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Serene Grace
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Protect
- Thunder Wave
- Air Slash
- Follow Me

Tar (Tyranitar) (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Crunch
- Ice Punch

Donk (Aegislash) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- King's Shield
- Substitute
- Shadow Ball
- Flash Cannon

Luna (Gardevoir) (F) @ Gardevoirite
Ability: Trace
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
- Protect
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Psyshock

Wash (Rotom-Wash) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Protect
- Will-O-Wisp
- Thunderbolt
- Hydro Pump

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:01:43 No.22318251 Report

Quoted By:

>>22314154

the enemy would NEVER expect it!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:02:05 No.22318254 Report

Quoted By:

>>22318093
Moonblsat Mega Garde? Why not Hyper Voice?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:03:23 No.22318263 Report

Quoted By:

Your team is really weak to Steel types. I wouldn't use Togekiss, Amoonguss sounds better instead. There's no Intimidate, so physical attacks can hurt a bit, and you can't speed control. Also, your spreads are terrible.
Gardevoir looks like a complete waste in this team. What does it add? Why mega? Go with Specs or whatever. I would use something with Intimidate instead of it, or Sylveon.
Rotom Wash has WoW, which your team REALLY wants, but Suicune could speed control with Icy Wind and Tailwind, which could be really beneficial to you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:04:19 No.22318273 Report

Quoted By: >>22318348

What are some good tailwind abusers to go with Megachomp?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:04:24 No.22318274 Report

Quoted By: >>22318348 >>22318783

Careful Latios
Possible IV's:
0-3 hp/14-16 atk/30-31 d/30-31 sp.atk/27-29 sp.d/30-31 sp.. Latios cutscene creeped up on me and didn't have chance to save.. Should I start a new game or run with this one?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:13:28 No.22318348 Report

Quoted By: >>22318382 >>22318388

>>22318273
Zapdos is immune to Earthquake, Suicune has the balk, Whimsicott and Talonflame have priority.

>>22318274
Bad nature, terrible IVs. Sorry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:15:26 No.22318382 Report

Quoted By: >>22318416

>>22318348

>Zapdos is immune to Earthquake, Suicune has the balk, Whimsicott and Talonflame have priority.

I'm using Talonflame and Whimsi as my setters. I meant what mons can best take advantage of the speed boost that aren't killed by chomp's EQ like poor Bisharp is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:15:45 No.22318388 Report

Quoted By: >>22318416

>>22318348
It's all right, I was kinda in the mood for restarting my game anyway. What would be the ideal nature/Iv's?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:18:24 No.22318416 Report

Quoted By:

>>22318382
Sylveon, Hydreigon, Milotic, Ttar, Togekiss, I don't know, pretty much every mon under 100 speed benefits from it.

>>22318388
Timid, 31/xx/31/31/31/31.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:29:30 No.22318522 Report

Quoted By: >>22318705

Hey guys. Do I just go for a 252/252/4 spread for a Choice Scarf Adamant Landorus-T or something a little more complicated??

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:38:32 No.22318611 Report

Quoted By:

>>22300014
UPDATE:
I am leading with a Ludicolo (standard smogon set; replacing Cacturne) and Flygon. Anything I should work on/add before continuing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:49:20 No.22318705 Report

Quoted By:

>>22318522
Scarf Adamant LandoT usually run 212 Spe to outspeed Mega Manectric.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:49:55 No.22318713 Report

Quoted By:

if you make a new thread use the updated pastebin I linked>>22290327

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:54:53 No.22318767 Report

Quoted By:

Is there not a powersave thread on /vp/? Looked through the catalog and couldn't find it. Too poor to buy it myself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:55:16 No.22318774 Report

Quoted By:

NEW THREAD
>>22318764
N
>>22318764
E
>>22318764
W

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:56:03 No.22318783 Report

Quoted By:

>>22318093
>life orb togekiss
give it sitrus or goggles

give m-garde hyper voice, drop calm mind for something else

rotom-w's spread sucks

>>22318274
Just leave it, you can get a cloned good IV'd latios from the cloner in the battle spot forum over on smogon

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