Hey /vp/, how about we use this occasion for something fun? Instead of bitching about Smogon or Greninja, let's make up pokemon just for the purpose of efficiently countering Greninja.

Remember that a counter must be able to switch into anything that Greninja can throw at it, take hits without getting immediately KO'd and/or threaten to KO back.

Remember, don't make them retardly OP. Feel free to minmax within reason however.