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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:36:43 No.22312385 View View Reply Original Report

I've been on showdown for hours and haven't won a single match. if i can't win on a simulator, why should i even put the effort into building a team on cartridge

how the fuck do i git gud /vp/

it's killing me that it seems like nothing i use is prepared for what others do. i bailed out of 6v6 singles because of its retarded garbage (and because Doubles is basically the official format now) but even when I try to make good synergy and strategy, the opponent is always ten steps ahead.

fuck everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:37:34 No.22312392 Report

Quoted By: >>22312586

Play more. Steal teams from smogons RMT until you git gud then create your own. Everyone is shitty at team building at first

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:37:51 No.22312395 Report

Quoted By: >>22312586

Wait, wtf ? Show us team
Replays also appreciated

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:40:24 No.22312418 Report

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When I was very new to competitive I used to run a rain team with damp rock Jirachi and thunder Jolteon
Just hang in there, you'll git gud. You just have to understand the meta. I think despite what everyone says and appart from the constant antismoggon threads, /vp/ isn't a bad place to learn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:43:42 No.22312449 Report

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Post team and replays OP, it's hard to tell what you should fix if we don't know whats wrong in the first place.

Anonymouse

Anonymouse Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:47:35 No.22312480 Report

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>>22312385
poor anon-kun
post your team maybe sombody/s can help
check out other people's matches 'watch battle', check out showderp on the board, even watch somepoketubers battle if that helps
try some different formats like UU, LC, even try random battle, try different things and different pokemon till you find stuff you like

like before i diddn't like mandibuzz tried it out after some time and its helped me so much

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 05:57:11 No.22312586 Report

Quoted By: >>22312804 >>22312916 >>22313567

>>22312392
>Steal teams from smogons RMT until you git gud then create your own.

I tried making a team of the most OU of the OU and lost slightly less but it just didn't feel fun, like, at all. It felt like cogs in a machine instead of strategy and inventiveness.

>>22312395
It's been a revolving door of what has and hasn't worked because I keep swapping out to fix failures, but I think the team I stuck with the longest was the following (I can't remember the exact EV spreads but I think they were like this:

Hitmontop (Intimidate) @ Rawst Berry or [Assault Vest]
Adamant 252 Atk / 252 [Sp]Def / 4 HP
>Fake Out, Hi Jump Kick, Mach Punch, Rock Slide

Spiritomb (Infiltrator) @ Leftovers
Calm 248 HP / 80 SpAtk / 180 SpDef
>Substitute, Nasty Plot, Shadow Ball, Snarl

Golem (Sturdy) @ Weakness Policy
Jolly 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
>Rock Polish, Rock Slide, Earthquake, Sucker Punch
i know, >golem

Weezing (Levitate) @ Black Sludge
Bold 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpAtk
>Toxic, Protect, Clear Smog, Dark Pulse

Gyarados (Intimidate) @ Lum Berry
Adamant 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
>Substitute, Dragon Dance, Waterfall, Bounce

Sceptile (**Lightning Rod) @ **Sceptilite
Modest 48 HP / 252 SpAtk / 208 Spd (Enough to outspeed Greninja)
>Energy Ball, Dragon Pulse, Leech Seed, Protect

Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. Here are four replays from earlier in the week. I won each, but I felt like it was because of the foe's stupidity or my luck, not my skill.

replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogondoublessuspecttest-196583182
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogondoublescurrent-195626050
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogondoublescurrent-195585163
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogondoublescurrent-195581358

Weezing is good for late-game stall but routinely fails to deliver. I tried replacing him with Gengar but despite the offensive power, his frailty really did weaken the team's overall defense. One thing I've noticed about my team is a consistent weakness to pranksters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 06:20:27 No.22312804 Report

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>>22312586
a lot of it is knowing the metagame. you should watch youtube battles for whatever tier you play.

your team seems okay (i honestly don't pplay much) but you are lacking coverage. in one of your battles you had no way to deal with a hitmontop aside from the regigigas with aerial ace, which didn't make it past slow start. the current team you showed is missing ice/fairy/electric/psychic/bug/poison/fire/steel. obviously you shouldn't include all of those but increasing your coverage is important. think about the defensive weaknesses your team has and adjust based on those, so you can react.

i also noticed from your battles that you don't switch out much, even in a bad matchup. i think that partially is because you don't have very good coverage so you don't feel compelled to switch into a good matchup, which you generally don't even have. a lot of this is prediction as well, which you will get better at as you learn the meta and get experience

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 06:33:37 No.22312916 Report

Quoted By: >>22313249

>>22312586
You're not offensive enough I'd say. Most of your team is largely outclassed by a lot of stuff. Spiritomb is just a mediocre Aegislash, doesn't hit hard after a NP and is weak to fairies. Weezing is really not a pokemon to bring to doubles; in your replay, it tends to do nothing and just protect while your opponent gets free turns of activity. You also really lack coverage.

Get rid of things like Leech Seed on Sceptile : It's fast, hits hard; it hardly has a use for it, especially in this meta. Get stuff to deal with specific threats.
Currently watching some of your replays.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 06:59:07 No.22313112 Report

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>>22312385
Try copying a team from Nugget Bridge until you understand the basics of teambuilding, or from one of Aaron Zheng's road to ranked vids. Watch streams frequently. Anyways that's all I can say, godspeed. You'll eventually get good, losing is the only way you can improve.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 07:15:32 No.22313249 Report

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>>22312804
I know, the team's definitely lacking coverage but I struggle to see where else I could fit it in without sacrificing things like priority or defense. Wait, hang on a sec
>you had no way to deal with a hitmontop aside from the regigigas with aerial ace
bro, /i/ was the guy with the hitmontop. but your point still stands, i do need more coverage. And switching isn't as common in doubles as it is in singles, at least as far as i've noticed so far.

>>22312916
>You're not offensive enough I'd say
this is something I've noticed too, that's why I experimented with Gengar to get more direct offensive power on the team. But Weezing makes for a solid defensive core. Aegislash would make a good pokemon to have in the middle, but isn't he banned on Showdown? Otherwise i'll give it a shot. Golem's Sucker Punch is a Gen IV Tutor Move only, so he's invalid for VGC.
>Get rid of things like Leech Seed on Sceptile
Sceptile's only other special moves are basically Focus Miss and Hidden Power. It's a travesty how great and diverse his physical movepool is in comparison. But I'll see what I can do.

I'm gonna move some things around, shake some things up, and see what happens.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 07:36:25 No.22313382 Report

Quoted By: >>22313457

so in my first match with a new team i learned that Quick Guard doesn't stop Fake Out

what a crock of shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 07:49:46 No.22313457 Report

Quoted By: >>22313542

>>22313382
They're both +3 priority, so it goes to speed like normal. Prankster Quick Guard is +4, so will always block fake out.

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 08:03:38 No.22313542 Report

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>>22313457
thanks

currently going 0-6 in VGC battles

fuck fucking cock piece of fuck ass this shit isn't even close to gg and those smug dicks know it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 08:07:39 No.22313567 Report

Quoted By: >>22313713

>>22312586
If you are using Leech Seed and Protect on sceptile you clearly don't need that sceptilite then, use Mega Gyarados instead with DD/Sub/Crunch/Waterfall or EQ

Hitmontop has access to Close Combat, use that shit instead, CC>HJK, if Blaziken and Lopunny had CC they would use that or Drain Punch instead of the stronger STAB

Infiltrator Spiritomb is good for one thing: Sucker Punch that hits even with substitutes, and you have fucking Snarl and Nasty Plot on it instead

Golem is just bad

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 08:31:34 No.22313713 Report

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Holy shit I won one.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogondoublessuspecttest-197132079

Talonflame and Golem make excellent partners, whouda thunk it.

>>22313567
>Golem is just bad
I know, but dammit I'm determined to make him work. He may be bad, but he's not awful.

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