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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:54:32 No.22318764 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22318823 >>22320749 >>22321619

Best prankster edition

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nuggetbridge.com

eggyemporium.com (Wolfe Glick and Markus Stadter's VGC blog)

http://www.oldmanvgc.com/ (jap meta site, has English translations)

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ToTT: is your favorite mon viable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:57:14 No.22318794 Report

Quoted By: >>22318870

>not starting three showdown battles at the same time to maximize your smogon points
shigdig

ToTT: Electivire, so no. RIP GyaraVire

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:58:54 No.22318813 Report

Quoted By: >>22318840

But that's not liepard

Yep, Milotic and Gardevoir are both pretty effective this year.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 22:59:56 No.22318823 Report

Quoted By:

>>22318764
>ToTT
I make him work. He was hopeless before ORAS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:00:56 No.22318839 Report

Quoted By: >>22318872

Working on a Competitive Milotic, which nature do you think could work the best? Taking in consideration that most of the threats it will be facing will be physical damaging ones. Do I risk a Modest one or go Bold to be more sure? I'm running some calculations right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:00:58 No.22318840 Report

Quoted By: >>22319003 >>22321722

>>22318813

>protect or taunt turn 1 against liepard and encore the fake out

woooooow

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:01:28 No.22318853 Report

Quoted By: >>22318872

Is there any reason to use the Latis anymore?

Macks !d.Bl05kb.M

Macks !d.Bl05kb.M Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:03:00 No.22318870 Report

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>>22318794
>Electivire

My nigga. Goddamn, i miss Gen 4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:03:09 No.22318872 Report

Quoted By: >>22318887 >>22319081 >>22319085

>>22318839
Does it need the +SpA boost to deals lots of damage and KO MegaMence and other relevant threats? If it doesn't Bold is the way to go. It wants to stay in the field for as long as possible.

>>22318853
Latias has bulk and the mega isn't that bad. Latios a shit though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:03:51 No.22318881 Report

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Favourite mons are Froslass and Roserade

NEVER EVER EVER

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:04:57 No.22318887 Report

Quoted By: >>22318897 >>22319331

>>22318872

>latias
>bulk

252+ Atk Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Latias: 194-230 (103.7 - 122.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

They just aren't good anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:05:56 No.22318897 Report

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>>22318887
b-but they both were good in VGC 13 ;_;

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:06:35 No.22318908 Report

Quoted By: >>22318953 >>22319250

>tfw in Colorado
>no premier challenges
>no regionals
>no vgc scene at all
If only I wasn't poor and had a car.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:07:41 No.22318918 Report

Quoted By: >>22318973 >>22318998 >>22321922

What IV calculator does /VP/ recommend?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:09:30 No.22318936 Report

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>Knock Off shit in my VGC

That's it, I'm out.

See you on January 1st!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:10:29 No.22318953 Report

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>>22318908
>tfw in Brazil
>no tournaments except for TCG
>no vgc scene
Kil

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:12:08 No.22318973 Report

Quoted By:

>>22318918

I use Serebii and never had a problem with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:14:01 No.22318998 Report

Quoted By:

>>22318918

serebii

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:14:17 No.22319003 Report

Quoted By: >>22319136

>>22318840
>using fake out in that situation in the first place
How shit a player are you?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:16:07 No.22319021 Report

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>tfw norway
>tfw no nothing ever

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:20:35 No.22319081 Report

Quoted By: >>22319121 >>22319200 >>22319251

>>22318872

Timid MegaMence against Modest Milotic
>252 SpA Aerilate Salamence Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Milotic: 150-177 (38 - 44.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252 SpA Salamence Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Milotic: 166-196 (42.1 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Modest MegaMence against Modest Milotic
>252+ SpA Aerilate Salamence Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Milotic: 163-193 (41.3 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Salamence Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Milotic: 183-216 (46.4 - 54.8%) -- 9.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Unless it goes Modest, MegaMence won't survive a Milotic, especially if it has Recover. Investing 60 EVs in Sp.Atk will OHKO with Ice Beam considering it has no bulk, if it does:

60+ SpA Milotic Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Salamence: 332-392 (84.2 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Would need a bit more EV investment to have a chance. Would be a matter of what's the most common Nature for a special MegaMence. Now physical in my next post. I'm currently thinking also in what teammates could work well for Milotic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:21:11 No.22319085 Report

Quoted By: >>22319115 >>22319121 >>22319200

>>22318872
Your standard sets for Scarf Lando-T, all variants of Salamence/Mega Salamence and Garchomp are all in trouble.

28 SpA Milotic Ice Beam vs. 44 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 172-204 (101.1 - 120%) -- guaranteed OHKO
28 SpA Milotic Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Salamence: 172-204 (100.5 - 119.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
28 SpA Milotic Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Salamence: 156-184 (91.2 - 107.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
28 SpA Milotic Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 160-192 (86.9 - 104.3%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

That being said, Competitive and possibly Recover are the only real reasons to use Milotic over Suicune, who is bulkier after EV management and has Tailwind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:23:40 No.22319115 Report

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I feel like Bold Milotic with minimal investment in SpA is the way to go, with competitive boost scalds will be putting pressure on a lot of things, and you don't need much for ice beam as shown by>>22319085

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:24:07 No.22319121 Report

Quoted By: >>22319247

>>22319081
I guess it doens't need to go Modest then, since you can surely get the KO at +2 and it would take too many EVs to make it KO without the Competitive boost.

>>22319085
Yes, but Competitive is amazing in the current meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:25:49 No.22319136 Report

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>>22319003
that's not fair. sure, its predictable but at least you could force something out

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:26:50 No.22319148 Report

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I run my Milotic Bold w. 236 HP and 68 Def, it allows it to survive Fully invested Adamant MegaMom Double-Edge and retaliate with scald or recover and retaliate with another mon. Other EVs can go into SpA or SpDef

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:31:15 No.22319200 Report

Quoted By: >>22319229 >>22319329

>>22319081
most salamence are physical these days
>>22319085
I'd be wary of assault vest lando, its a thing. I'm not saying invest a huge amount of special attack to kill the odd assvest lando, I'm just saying don't always count on your ice beam OHKOing every lando

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:34:24 No.22319229 Report

Quoted By: >>22319287

>>22319200
If they proc Competitive, they're dead anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:35:33 No.22319247 Report

Quoted By: >>22319312 >>22319342

>>22319121
Yeah, Competitive's pretty great, but the situational-ness of it is a bit annoying. Consider that there are seven (7) Intimidaters that you're realistically going to see in Doubles;

Salamence, Mawile, Scrafty, Landorus-T, Gyarados, Hitmontop and Mega Manectric.

Of those seven, it already beats Salamence and Landorus-T with Ice Beam without the Competitive boost, and Mega Manectric threatens it way too much, so Competitive doesn't do very much for it with regards to those mons, except maybe securing the OHKO on Mega Salamence a bit better.

On the flipside, it soundly beats Hitmontop and Scrafty, beats non-Sucker Punch variants of (Mega) Mawile without speed control support, and is a good chance to beat (Mega) Gyarados if Scald lands the burn.

Of course, this is all 1v1. The reality is much more complex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:35:47 No.22319250 Report

Quoted By: >>22319424

>>22318908
Excuse me? There's an event down in the Springs on the 2nd of January faggot. Learn to use the event search on the pokemon website.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:35:55 No.22319251 Report

Quoted By: >>22319304 >>22319312

>>22319081
Jolly MegaMence against Modest Milotic
>252 Atk Salamence Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 198 Def Milotic: 138-163 (35 - 41.3%) -- 75% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252 Atk Aerilate Salamence Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 198 Def Milotic: 268-316 (68 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Adamant MegaMence against Modest Milotic
>252+ Atk Salamence Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 198 Def Milotic: 153-180 (38.8 - 45.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 198 Def Milotic: 295-348 (74.8 - 88.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Yeah, a physical one is a big threat against a Modest Milotic running 60EVs in Sp.Atk. Now, turning it into full Def Bold nature:
>252+ Atk Salamence Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Milotic: 130-154 (32.9 - 39%) -- 9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Milotic: 255-300 (64.7 - 76.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

With Double Edge recoil, Milotic can probably OHKO with Ice Beam:
>4 SpA Milotic Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Salamence: 284-336 (72 - 85.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Yeah, probably it would be better to go full defensive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:38:42 No.22319287 Report

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>>22319229
oh yeah you're right, I'm a retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:39:46 No.22319304 Report

Quoted By: >>22319473

>>22319251
And I forgot to say, all this without considering the possible Competitive boost from Salamence's Intimidate. Unless it crits or both Pokemon targed Milotic, MegaMence is pretty much dead, reason Milotic will need a good partner.

ALSO to consider if it attacks in the first turn and Mence doesn't protect, it won't receive the Sp.Def boost from its Mega, which would turn into this:
>4 SpA Milotic Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Salamence: 312-368 (79.1 - 93.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Not that much of a difference but anything helps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:40:22 No.22319312 Report

Quoted By: >>22319449

>>22319247
Every team has at least one Intimidate user, so it's not as situational. Those Scalds have good coverage and deal a lot of damage at +2. It survives Mega Manectric, a possible 2KO if it has AssVest.
+2 28 SpA Milotic Scald vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Manectric: 141-166 (96.5 - 113.6%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

252 SpA Manectric Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Milotic: 110-132 (54.4 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Ass Vest: 252 SpA Manectric Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Milotic: 74-90 (36.6 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

>>22319251
That's pretty good, and 28SpA seems perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:41:14 No.22319329 Report

Quoted By: >>22319339

>>22319200
Assault Vest Landorus-T still loses (comfortably) to Suicune. For reference, the EV spread I use is 236/0/116/108/36/12 with a Calm nature.

252+ Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 236 HP / 116 Def Suicune: 61-73 (29.7 - 35.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
108 SpA Suicune Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Landorus-T: 112-136 (57.1 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:41:19 No.22319331 Report

Quoted By:

>>22318887
252+ Atk Bisharp Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Mega Latias: 156-186 (42.8 - 51%) -- 3.1% chance to 2HKO

Start reving up those Megastones boys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:42:09 No.22319339 Report

Quoted By: >>22319406

>>22319329
Why Calm?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:42:37 No.22319342 Report

Quoted By: >>22319470

>>22319247
eh, milotic feels pretty situational to me. if competitive isn't activated it doesn't do too much besides taking things out that are x4 weak to ice (granted two big offensive threats are weak to ice.) I prefer bisharp since it hits more of the meta harder and has priority. I'm sure someone will get a great finish with milotic this season just to prove me wrong

Jaime 3067 5397 5309

Jaime 3067 5397 5309 Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:45:37 No.22319375 Report

Quoted By: >>22319390

Wide Guard and Quick Guard are really good moves this time aroun, with prankster users and spread moves being so common genies, talonflame, hatran.

Taunt is so good too.

Anyone want to have to have a best two 2 out of 3 battles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:47:17 No.22319390 Report

Quoted By:

>>22319375
>tfw no team

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:48:35 No.22319406 Report

Quoted By:

>>22319339
I dunno, EV management or something. I forget why I went with that spread in the first place. Probably something to with Specs Hydreigon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:48:47 No.22319409 Report

Quoted By: >>22319432 >>22319464 >>22319711

Sceptile-Mega (M) @ Sceptilite
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 30 Atk / 30 Def
- Protect
- Dragon Pulse
- Giga Drain
- Focus Blast

Thundurus @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 30 Def / 30 SpD / 30 Spe
- Discharge
- Thunder Wave
- Taunt
- Protect

Tyranitar (M) @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Crunch
- Rock Slide
- Protect

Garchomp (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang
- Poison Jab
- Draco Meteor
Help a newb guys

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:50:01 No.22319424 Report

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>>22319250
NIGGA OH SHIT
LAST I CHECKED THERE WAS SHIT
>Monument, Colorado
>50 miles away from Denver
FUCK IT, BETTER REV UP MY TEAM

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:50:37 No.22319432 Report

Quoted By: >>22319446

>>22319409
You're missing two mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:51:38 No.22319446 Report

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>>22319432
>Help
I've got the 4 I need to play, and I'm not even sure then, let alone the other two

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:51:39 No.22319449 Report

Quoted By: >>22319474

>>22319312
You should be running those calculations with Mega Manectric, not regular Manectric. Otherwise, where does the Competitive boost come from?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:51:56 No.22319452 Report

Quoted By: >>22319810 >>22319879

Anyone else running Stoutland?

It's kinda bulky, learns Thunder Wave + Helping Hand and 2HKO a lot of things with Return + Crunch/Superpower for coverage. Also, Intimidate and can survive a +2 252+ SpA Milotic

>+2 252+ SpA Milotic Scald vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Stoutland: 136-162 (70.8 - 84.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

and this:

>+1 252+ Atk Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Stoutland: 144-171 (75 - 89%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I know Crescelia is better at supporting the team, but it's nice to have another option available.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:52:17 No.22319459 Report

Quoted By:

Is Scarf Mence any good still?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:52:42 No.22319464 Report

Quoted By: >>22319486

>>22319409
Something that stops fairies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:53:47 No.22319470 Report

Quoted By: >>22319540

>>22319342
A lead Milotic sounds like a good choice. Either the opponent risks sending a common Intimidate mon like Salamence, Mawile, Landorus or Gyarados or you limits his choices of switching in fear of boosting your Milotic. May sound situational but it could work great to control your opponent's switches.

I think I'll go Bold with full investment in HP and Def. Its Sp.Atk hits hard without investment anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:53:53 No.22319473 Report

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>>22319304
>it attacks in the first turn and Mence doesn't protect, it won't receive the Sp.Def boost from its Mega
You get all of your mega stats immediately. The turn order is decided before the turn's start so it doesn't use the new speed, the same way being paralysed or setting up a Tailwind doesn't change the order of actions mid-turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:54:16 No.22319474 Report

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>>22319449
Lack of sleep is a terrible thing. It's still a 2ko anyway.
252 SpA Mega Manectric Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Milotic: 134-158 (66.3 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Assault:
252 SpA Mega Manectric Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Milotic: 90-108 (44.5 - 53.4%) -- 23.4% chance to 2HKO

Meanwhile:
+2 28 SpA Milotic Scald vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Manectric: 112-133 (76.7 - 91%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:54:54 No.22319486 Report

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>>22319464
Is the garchomp any good? The first three seem to tear it up for me

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Dec 2014 23:58:22 No.22319540 Report

Quoted By: >>22319769

>>22319470
I've been considering this for a while. The quicker Milotic's on the field, the more pressure you put on the opponent's Intimidaters. The only issue I have is its complete lack of team support.

That and lead Thundurus is a big problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:01:12 No.22319580 Report

Quoted By: >>22319682 >>22319794

http://pastebin.com/ciczQP4H rate my team ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:08:53 No.22319682 Report

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>>22319580
1/10
Scald from Politoed on Gastrodon, kek.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:10:54 No.22319711 Report

Quoted By: >>22319804

>>22319409

>fire fang

Seven 2165-7618-4508

Seven 2165-7618-4508 Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:15:08 No.22319769 Report

Quoted By: >>22319878 >>22319936

>>22319540
Yeah, any Electric-type lead would be a big problem without the proper support. Any suggestions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:16:33 No.22319794 Report

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>>22319580
Focus Band? I guess you meant to type Sash.
Why are you using Politoed and Gastrodon/ They serve no real utility and you're not trying to abuse rain. Drop them.

Also, you have way too many physical attackers, so you're team is prone to Intimidates and WoWs. I suggest Milotic instead of Politoed and whatever instead of Gastrodon. Maybe something to intimidate the opponents.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:17:09 No.22319804 Report

Quoted By: >>22319854

>>22319711
Like I said, chomp was a little rushed, fire fang was a quick "Oh yea mawile exists" moment

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:17:51 No.22319810 Report

Quoted By: >>22319879

>>22319452

I love stoutland but it's sadly outclassed in the balk doge role by defensive arcanine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:21:43 No.22319854 Report

Quoted By: >>22319871

>>22319804

>-1 252 Atk Garchomp Fire Fang vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Mawile: 42-50 (26.7 - 31.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
>4 SpA Garchomp Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Mawile: 74-88 (47.1 - 56%) -- 73.4% chance to 2HKO

Fire Blast is much better than useless fire fang, against Mawile and everything else you'd want to use it against. And you're going to be EQing Mawile anyway. Not that it matters since it's just going to OHKO you while you can only 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:23:28 No.22319870 Report

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Reminder that Mr. Mime will be this VGC's star.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:23:31 No.22319871 Report

Quoted By: >>22319933

>>22319854
>4 SpA Garchomp Fire Blast
lol running a naive nature on garchomp or whatever mixed nature. the only reason you would want fireblast on chomp is for ferro and scizor (probably a terrible idea.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:23:51 No.22319878 Report

Quoted By: >>22319921

>>22319769
Fake Out's probably your best bet. Mega Kangaskhan, perhaps.

Pachirisu is also nice because it has Follow Me and Volt Absorb. But it doesn't stop Discharge from hitting Milotic, and the pair subsequently get raped by DisQuake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:23:52 No.22319879 Report

Quoted By: >>22319897 >>22320004

>>22319452

Same guy here, help with my team and opinions?:

http://pastebin.com/2qzSZch2

Any opinions on spreads and help for optimization on these?

I'm open to changes.
Thinking about changing Lopunny for Kanga.

>>22319810

Yeah, Stout has Snarl + Baby-doll eyes to balk some things, but Arcanine has Will-o and Snarl too + much more coverage if we are talking about attack moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:25:07 No.22319897 Report

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>>22319879

Arcanine also has morning sun if you're into that sort of thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:27:15 No.22319921 Report

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>>22319878
I was even thinking in Jolteon but shamefully it doesn't have Follow Me. I was thinking in it along Magnet Rise, Volt Switch, HP Ice and a filler. A Fake Out mon also sounds good. I don't want to depend on MegaMILF though, I'll check other options unless she stays on top of them.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:28:13 No.22319933 Report

Quoted By:

>>22319871

>not using special attacks on your garchomp

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:28:23 No.22319936 Report

Quoted By: >>22319961 >>22319976

>>22319769
Raikou is completely immune to electric moves and also has Snarl for support, what about him?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:30:39 No.22319961 Report

Quoted By: >>22319981

>>22319936
Yeah, I was also checking Jolteon with Captivate but Raikou sounds like a good option too. Only issue is that Volt Absorb Raikou is not available, not that much of an issue, I suppose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:32:00 No.22319976 Report

Quoted By: >>22319981 >>22319996

>>22319936
Is Volt Absorb legal on Raikou in Gen 6?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:32:42 No.22319981 Report

Quoted By:

>>22319976
>>22319961
Oh damn, forgot volt absorb was its hidden ability. Never mind then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:33:58 No.22319996 Report

Quoted By:

>>22319976
Unfortunately, no. It still has great Sp.Def so it's something to consider.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:34:55 No.22320004 Report

Quoted By: >>22320038

>>22319879
Arcanine > Stoutland
Sylveon could maybe run some speed to outrun base...70, I think. I don't think it's worth the EVs though.
Use Protect instead of Water Shuriken. I think naruto froge needs like 40 SpA to KO everything it needs to KO.
Adamant Lopunny outspeeds max speed MegaMence by one point. I don't think Jolly is worth it, but I could be wrong.
Thundurus with no TWave sorta sucks. It's what he's best at. Is Yache Berry worth it?
Landorus needs only 212 Speed to outspeed Mega Manectric, I think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:36:39 No.22320020 Report

Quoted By:

How should I run Tyranitar if I want him to be a bulky physical mixed attacker in doubles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:38:15 No.22320038 Report

Quoted By: >>22320088 >>22320156

>>22320004
>Adamant Lopunny outspeeds max speed MegaMence by one point.
252+ MegaMence outspeeds 252 Mega Lopunny 189 to 187.

>Landorus needs only 212 Speed to outspeed Mega Manectric, I think.
Yup.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:42:02 No.22320085 Report

Quoted By: >>22320156

How should I run Tyranitar if I want it to be a bulky mixed attacker in doubles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:42:16 No.22320086 Report

Quoted By: >>22320156

How does trick room deal with Bisharp? Does Colbur Berry work if it's knocked off?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:42:29 No.22320088 Report

Quoted By: >>22320147 >>22320156

>>22320038
Would people be running Jolly instead of Adamant MegaMence? I'm sure the damage boost would be preferred.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:47:53 No.22320147 Report

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>>22320088
Global Link statistics say that Spe+ natures are at least as, if not more, common on MegaMence than non-Spe+ natures.

Special MegaMences are about 60% more common than Physical MegaMences at the moment, too.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:48:02 No.22320148 Report

Quoted By: >>22320186 >>22320215 >>22320268

Anyone could help me filling the last two spots on my team?

Gengar @ Gengarite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Perish Song
- Disable
- Protect

Whimsicott @ Focus Sash
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Giga Drain
- Taunt
- Encore
- Protect

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Superpower
- U-turn

Rotom-Wash @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Volt Switch
- Will-O-Wisp
- Protect

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:48:31 No.22320156 Report

Quoted By: >>22320189 >>22320503 >>22320513

>>22320038
I don't know why I thought that, lel. And Jolly is the better option anyway, Lopunny can't hurt mence a lot, and it can speed tie with Manectric.

>>22320085
You could run Quiet, invest heavily in bulk and run AssVest.

>>22320088
I think most Mences are Timid.

>>22320086
Knock Off gets the boost, but the damage is halved by Colbur. That's what the calc shows.
TR hates Bisharp. It's SE against all the setters, has priority and Intimidate makes it stronger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:50:46 No.22320186 Report

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>>22320148
>Mega Gengar and Whimsicott
What kind of fag are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:50:54 No.22320189 Report

Quoted By: >>22320201 >>22320215

>>22320156
For my Tyranitar, no protect would hurt him in doubles right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:52:34 No.22320201 Report

Quoted By: >>22320254

>>22320189
Depends. Protect is great on most sets, Assault Vest bulky offense is still a solid option though. I've been playing around with a special attacking variant and it tanks everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:53:34 No.22320213 Report

Quoted By: >>22321768

I went from 1726 to 1586.
Time for a new team guys. And to reset my points too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:53:37 No.22320215 Report

Quoted By: >>22320233 >>22320254

>>22320189
Yeah, but it's really bulky on the special side. It can shrug off even SE hits. Protect is good, but not every mon needs it. Ludicolo usually uses Fake Out/Ice Beam/Scald/Giga Drain, for example.

>>22320148
Whimsicott and Mega Gengar are absolutely annoying, but they really only work well in a full perish trap team. You need Amoonguss, Gothitelle, Politoed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:55:01 No.22320233 Report

Quoted By: >>22320257

>>22320215
Thanks. What sets do you recommend me for Amoonguss and Gothielle?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:56:18 No.22320254 Report

Quoted By: >>22320291

>>22320201
>>22320215
I'm planning on running Land-T and spamming EQs would be a problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:56:45 No.22320257 Report

Quoted By: >>22320403

>>22320233
Perish trap teams are really bread and butter. I think Amoongus runs Spore/Protect/Giga Drain/filler, Gothitelle runs Protect/Reflect/Psychock/something else. You can find it on nugget bridge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:57:47 No.22320268 Report

Quoted By: >>22320403

>>22320148
Have you considered Infernape? Makes a nice PerishTrap duo with Mega Gengar thanks to Fake Out, and it cleans up bulky Steel-types that Landorus-T can't remove (like Ferrothorn and Mega Scizor).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 00:59:32 No.22320291 Report

Quoted By: >>22320304

>>22320254
It can't really balk a lot:
252+ Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Tyranitar: 114-134 (55 - 64.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Do you really need to run Ttar?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:00:24 No.22320304 Report

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>>22320291
I want to, but I guess he isn't necessary. He's one of my favorite mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:02:47 No.22320334 Report

Quoted By: >>22320356 >>22320371

Garde + Scarfed Porygon is hilariously

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:04:30 No.22320356 Report

Quoted By: >>22320565

>>22320334
Specs Sylveon hits harder on the Merry-go-Round.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:06:04 No.22320371 Report

Quoted By: >>22320565

>>22320334
Explain please. I wish to try this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:08:24 No.22320403 Report

Quoted By:

>>22320268
I thought about Infernape but being slower than Raichu made me reject it. I don't usually have a problem with Ferro thanks to Perish Song and Scizor is easy to deal with thanks to WoW and Intimidate

>>22320257
Thanks, I think I'll try those two.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:13:26 No.22320503 Report

Quoted By: >>22320548 >>22320728

>>22320156
>TR hates Bisharp. It's SE against all the setters, has priority and Intimidate makes it stronger.
Can't hear you over the sound of Bisharp bending over.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:14:13 No.22320513 Report

Quoted By: >>22320556

>>22320156
The only TR Setter it isn't SE against is Normal Audino, Porygons, and Malamar. Too bad Knock Off cripples Porygon and Malamar can't take a hit. Bold Audino seems like it has potential though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:16:07 No.22320548 Report

Quoted By:

>>22320503
>Frail
>Takes neutral damage from Bisharp
>One Iron Head flinch and gg
Not perfect, but it's something

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:16:58 No.22320556 Report

Quoted By: >>22320578 >>22320584 >>22320585

>>22320513

>forgetting aromatisse, who actually resists knock off

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:17:36 No.22320565 Report

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>>22320356
Wrong, I just faced that with Megarde and OHKO'd them both (I can always get a calm mind in though), plus hyper voice is a great back up if porygon dies
>>22320371
Scarfed Porygon Z uses Round, goes first, hits one target for dece damage (Adaptibility/good Sp.Atk/STAB) then Mega Garde uses round at his speed hitting with a STAB/Pixilate/Second mon Round

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:18:26 No.22320578 Report

Quoted By:

>>22320556
>Iron Head

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:18:51 No.22320584 Report

Quoted By: >>22320607 >>22320608

>>22320556
>iron head

That said, 252/252 aromatisse can survive even a life orb iron head. I use it as my TR setter and I've had no problem, but I also have hariyama and camerupt.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:18:54 No.22320585 Report

Quoted By:

>>22320556
>Iron Head

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:19:22 No.22320591 Report

Quoted By: >>22320837

What's the spread for Bold Thundurus?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:20:28 No.22320601 Report

Quoted By:

Why is hariyama so good, /vgcg/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:20:47 No.22320607 Report

Quoted By: >>22320636 >>22320947

>>22320584
The problem with barely being able to survive it is the possiblity of a flinch stopping you from setting up TR. That chance alone is too threatening

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:20:48 No.22320608 Report

Quoted By:

>>22320584
I lose to anything today.
That includes Spritzee.
Yes. Eviolite Spritzee.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:23:25 No.22320636 Report

Quoted By:

>>22320607
Yes, but that's where fake out support comes in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:26:23 No.22320666 Report

Quoted By: >>22320676

>tfw garbage at VGC
How do I git gud? Is there something specific I should be doing when battling?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:27:01 No.22320676 Report

Quoted By: >>22320693

>>22320666
Defeating all your opponent's Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:28:30 No.22320693 Report

Quoted By:

>>22320676
Don't forget winning

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:31:43 No.22320728 Report

Quoted By:

>>22320503
I would sooner take P2 or Kinklang as setters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:33:34 No.22320749 Report

Quoted By: >>22320774

>>22318764
ToTT:
I'm not sure.
Is Scrafty viable in any teams?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:35:38 No.22320774 Report

Quoted By:

>>22320749
Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:39:46 No.22320837 Report

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>>22320591
ray used a bold fully bulky thundurus in 2011. not sure about the exact spread, I wanna say he had some special defense but I'm not sure. I do know he did not have speed or sp atk EVs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:40:59 No.22320849 Report

Quoted By: >>22320914 >>22321010

All right guys, it's "ridicule the VGC beginner" time
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2015-197332533

The team I'm using is VGC's Greatest Hits, I'm just using it to get a feel for VGC 2015. But man, I have no idea what went wrong this game. Help me figure out when I fucked up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:46:46 No.22320914 Report

Quoted By: >>22320962

>>22320849

Your lost because your nicknames are terrible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:49:13 No.22320947 Report

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>>22320607
Aaron Zheng was very successful in 2014 with a nearly max sp def gothitelle designed to tank specs dark pulse from hydreigon. the flinch chance alone shouldn't be why you don't use aromatisse. I don't think aroma is good offensively or defensively in this meta, that's why I wouldn't use it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:50:48 No.22320962 Report

Quoted By:

>>22320914
Confirmed poor taste.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:51:13 No.22320967 Report

Quoted By: >>22321710

>>22300014
UPDATE FROM A NEWFAG:
I am leading with a Ludicolo (standard smogon set w/ assault vest; replacing Cacturne) and Flygon. More suggestions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:55:01 No.22321010 Report

Quoted By: >>22321086

>>22320849
probably don't lead lando if you see a bisharp. you brought the tools you needed to defeat his pokemon though, you just weren't able to follow through because of your bad lead match up and your predictions were a little off ofc. I don't get in to telling people exactly what moves to make since its so situational but you learn how to play at different ELOs, which plays have a higher chance of success

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:57:12 No.22321044 Report

Quoted By: >>22321062 >>22321086

How would a doubles team of Lando-T,Tyranitar, M-Mawile, Talonflame, Bisharp, and Mamoswine work? I'm new to competitive.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:58:35 No.22321055 Report

Quoted By: >>22321218

I might as well show my replay as well, not a beginner but am still shit against people who are actually competent.
This match specifically I felt I made some good predictions I slipped up letting Hydreigon get killed on a switch and also not having much for Thundurus
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2015-197335737
Main things noticed:
>Use High Jump Kick more often, MegaLop doesn't have the best damage output with frustration alone
>Life Orb on Aegislash instead of Weakness Policy, damage output pretty weak

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 01:59:20 No.22321062 Report

Quoted By: >>22321072

>>22321044

Your own Lando-T and Mamo will kill half your team with supereffective EQ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:00:24 No.22321072 Report

Quoted By: >>22321131

>>22321062
I'll just use protect half of the time.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:01:20 No.22321086 Report

Quoted By: >>22321135 >>22321368

>>22321044
Those are all Pokemon that have been successful in VGC before, so I say build it and go for it. A list of species doesn't say much about the success of your team beyond popularity and type matchups.

>>22321010
Thanks, do you think the leads were enough for me to lose the match, or do you think some better predictions on my part could have saved me? What would you do instead of Landorus?

Also, how do you get better at predicting and choosing moves? Like you said, it's really situational, so how are you supposed to be better at it? (If you had the time, I feel like specific moves would really help me out, but I understand if you don't want to spoonfeed.)

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:02:41 No.22321107 Report

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>light clay
>reflect
>light screen
>wish
>switch out
thank you boobookeys

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:02:49 No.22321110 Report

Quoted By: >>22321137 >>22321148

So I'm breeding eevees to make a cleric sylveon
And I finally get a calm natured HA eevee with 5 perfect IVs.

But it suddenly doesn't have wish.
All the eggs before have had wish.
Why does this ONE not have it?
I am so flustered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:04:25 No.22321131 Report

Quoted By:

>>22321072
It really limits your options, you'd be better of trying to fit in a Rotom or something. Also everything is attacking physically so you're pretty weak to intimidate even with Bisharp, and you'll have a hard time evading burn as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:04:31 No.22321135 Report

Quoted By: >>22321146 >>22321215

>>22321086
I'm just asking if there are any stupidly obvious holes in my team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:04:48 No.22321137 Report

Quoted By:

>>22321110
One of your parents forgot it in the daycare
>can't tell the stupid kids to not tech them new moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:06:07 No.22321146 Report

Quoted By:

>>22321135
Use marilland's Team Builder to check for coverage problems, and reference your team against a threat list. It's not hard stuff,

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:06:15 No.22321148 Report

Quoted By: >>22321163 >>22321187 >>22321396

>>22321110
>Cleric
BTFO Singlesfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:07:31 No.22321163 Report

Quoted By:

>>22321148
Oh come on
I'm just confused and needed help I figured this would be decent place to ask.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:10:03 No.22321187 Report

Quoted By:

>>22321148
>not running a doubles screener/cleric

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:12:21 No.22321215 Report

Quoted By:

>>22321135
http://www.eggyemporium.com/tools/teambuilder/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:13:02 No.22321218 Report

Quoted By:

>>22321055
>Frustration

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:15:58 No.22321255 Report

Quoted By: >>22321272 >>22321282 >>22321320 >>22321324 >>22321328 >>22321455 >>22322716 >>22323252

>using any of these ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:17:27 No.22321272 Report

Quoted By: >>22321295

>>22321255
>being a poke hipster

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:18:19 No.22321282 Report

Quoted By:

>>22321255
I use Bisharp and don't even feel bad about it. It fucks half of those guys up alone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:18:53 No.22321295 Report

Quoted By: >>22321328 >>22321455

>>22321272
>being uncreative
>relying on smogon-tier metafaggotry

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:19:25 No.22321301 Report

Quoted By: >>22321359

So, looking at a decent party for 6v6 use. No intention of going super competitive but still want something that won't get me raped every time.. Also looking for input on a 6th..

Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
EV's - 252 Atk, 4 SpA, 252 Spe
Nature - Jolly
- Stealth Rock
- Dragon Claw
- Swords Dance
- EQ

Sylveon @ Choice Specs
Ability - Pixilate
EV's - 244 HP, 252 SpA, 12 Spe
Nature - Modest
- Hyper Voice
- Psyshock
- Shadow Ball
- Baton Pass

Rotom-W @ ???
Ability - Bold
EV's - 248 HP, 216 Def, 44 Spe
Nature - Bold
- Hydro Pump
- Will-O-Wisp
- Volt Switch
- Confuse Ray

Volcarona @ Leftovers
Ability - Flame Body
EV's - 244 HP, 136 Def, 124 Spe
Nature - Bold
- Quiver Dance
- Fire Blast
- Giga Drain
- Roost

Metagross @ Metagrossite
Ability - Tough Claws
EV's - 252 Atk, 4 SpD, 252 Spe
Nature - Jolly
- Meteor Mash
- Zen Headbutt
- Ice Punch
- EQ

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:20:44 No.22321320 Report

Quoted By: >>22321392

>>22321255
I'm still surprised heatran isn't up there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:21:06 No.22321324 Report

Quoted By: >>22321366

>>22321255
Why not, don't you like competitive environments?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:21:27 No.22321328 Report

Quoted By: >>22321366 >>22321388

>>22321255
>>22321295
>not using pokemon because they're popular
They're popular for a reason m8

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:23:19 No.22321359 Report

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>>22321301

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:23:50 No.22321366 Report

Quoted By: >>22321394 >>22321442

>>22321328
Me wanting to play with other pokemon has little to do with their popularity.

>>22321324
I like winning by my own hand rather than premade strategies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:23:52 No.22321368 Report

Quoted By:

>>22321086
its not that I don't wanna spoonfeed, its just that there isn't a right or a wrong way to play all the time, its dependent on your opponents skill level (which isn't always reflected by their ELO, but its a good indicator. if someone is 10/0 with a good team it could mean they're a lot better than you think even if their ELO isn't huge), which pokemon they brought etc. anyway, not to overwhelm you, I will say turn 1 you probably were a little obvious going after bisharp with EQ when you clearly threaten the EQ onto it. I would have u-turned into suicune probably, which in itself can be an obvious play at higher ELOs since lando is so threatened by suicune. but, people tend to make more obvious plays at lower ELOs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:25:33 No.22321388 Report

Quoted By: >>22321403

>>22321328
Look at it this way; people using the same pokemon makes fucking them up that much easier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:25:40 No.22321392 Report

Quoted By:

>>22321320
No Dragon Gem Draco Meteors being dropped anymore, it might be good for Special Salamence, but there's so much Lando-T around it's hard to use effectively. Also could be availablity

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:25:50 No.22321394 Report

Quoted By: >>22321403 >>22321407

>>22321366
That doesn't mean you can't use popular pokemon in unorthodox ways, you faggot.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:26:05 No.22321396 Report

Quoted By:

>>22321148
don't have this attitude in the vgc thread dude. you don't even know that guy, he could be a lot better than you. true cleric sylveon is not the best idea but support oriented sylveon isn't terrible. just today cybertron was running a helping hand sylveon with no offensive item. we have a chance to make this thread better than the other generals on /vp/, we don't need the cattiness

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:26:42 No.22321403 Report

Quoted By:

>>22321394
>>22321388
THIS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:26:47 No.22321407 Report

Quoted By: >>22321511

>>22321394
I like using my favorites in unorthodox ways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:30:35 No.22321442 Report

Quoted By: >>22321494

>>22321366
What's more fun though, winning high level games or winning games in middling ELO territory with more creative ideas?
I don't think anybody with any resemblance of consistency places highly in tournaments or on the ladder without using any super popular pokes.
Personally I like playing higher lever games regardless of outcome, it's really fun to play against great opponents.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:30:37 No.22321443 Report

Quoted By: >>22321470

Is the VGC room on PS! any good, or is it just Nugget Bridge circlejerk?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:31:32 No.22321455 Report

Quoted By: >>22321494

>>22321255
>>22321295
that's the wrong attitude to have. there isn't a problem using high usage pokemon, you should have a role for everything on your team though. don't just mash together high usage mons because they're high usage. anyway, you're probably not gonna be Ashton Cox and qualify for worlds with a ragtag group of low usage pokemon especially if your rationale for using them is just because they're "your own strategies" or whatever. even Ashton had a good reason for everything on his team and did have many high usage mons, this is how you should team build. if you have a low usage mon have a damn good reason for it and make sure your team of more solid pokemon supports it/is supported by it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:33:06 No.22321470 Report

Quoted By:

>>22321443
>Nugget Bridge circlejerk?
exactly that. no one that posts there is that good. rarely a pro will show up. I never even asked for voice, I don't wanna talk to the underage scrub kiddies and the pros don't post. I lurk because they run tourneys sometime though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:35:09 No.22321494 Report

Quoted By: >>22321519 >>22321523 >>22321553

>>22321442
I'm entering VGC with a Porygon2 and a Stunfisk, I'll make it as far as I can.

>>22321455
Oh yeah of course, I'm not just dumping them in my team solely because I like them, I try to give them a specific role and counter to play. I'm experimenting with my lovely Porygon2 and a new friend I've made in Glalie, Refridgerate Round is showing potential and Explosion never hurts to use in a pinch.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:36:18 No.22321511 Report

Quoted By: >>22321515

>>22321407
i hope you enjoy losing as well

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:37:04 No.22321515 Report

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>>22321511

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:37:10 No.22321517 Report

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I'm still thinking in teams that could work, I'm using eggyemporium and have run some damage calculations with common threats. So far the Pokemon I've considered so far are Jolteon, Milotic, Aegislash, Gliscor, Garchomp and MegaMetagross. Any suggestions and opinions? I'll start teambuilding and testing in Showdown in a bit.

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5300-9466-8961 Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:37:22 No.22321519 Report

Quoted By: >>22321583

>>22321494
>round
for literally what reason

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:37:37 No.22321523 Report

Quoted By: >>22321553

>>22321494
alright. round is a pretty dumb idea, just trying to save you some time. Glalie has potential I guess. my main point, disregarding the top 12 pokemon just because they're top 12 is ridiculous and a terrible attitude and you will not win with that attitude I guarantee it

5300-9466-8961

5300-9466-8961 Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:40:33 No.22321553 Report

Quoted By: >>22321587 >>22321623

>>22321523
>>22321494
>middling speed tier
>frail as fuck
>ice type
>mediocre offenses (at least for a mega)
>no item
>biggest draw is exploding to kill itself, which can be avoided with protect, and if you want to guarantee getting it off you have to feint and likely sacrifice your other mon
I honestly don't understand the point of mega glalie

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:43:05 No.22321583 Report

Quoted By: >>22321596 >>22321623

>>22321519
One fast Pokemon uses round and his teammate, usually something with a FUCKTON of power, piggybacks on his speed. This lets you invest more in attack or defence or whathever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:43:37 No.22321587 Report

Quoted By: >>22321603

>>22321553
its probably not a good idea. it might be threatening under tailwind or something. but its not unusable. I try to completely shit on ideas or megas because there's often hidden potential in pokemon that we don't realize until someone gets a strong finish with it.

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5300-9466-8961 Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:44:17 No.22321596 Report

Quoted By: >>22321623 >>22321626 >>22321659

>>22321583
>having to run round on multiple pokemon
i don't understand why you're not just using double edge instead of wasting moveslots on other team members

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:44:38 No.22321603 Report

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>>22321587
>try to completely shit on ideas or megas
*try not to

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:46:05 No.22321619 Report

Quoted By: >>22321715

>>22318764
How does this sound for a team?
Complete beginner here and tips would be great.
Also I'm not going for a specific tier or anything just looking to get a bit of experience.

Sableye @ sablenite
Ability: prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Def
bold Nature
- Shadow Ball
- calm mind
- willo wisp
- recover

Crobat @ choice band
Ability: infiltrator
EVs:252 attack / 4 SpD / 252 speed
Jolly Nature
- brave bird
- defog
- u turn
- cross poison

crawdaunt @ lifeorb
Ability: adapt
EVs:252 attack / 4 D / 252 Speed
adamant Nature
- crab hammer
- knock off
- crunch
- aqua jet

azumarill @ sitrus berry
Ability: huge power
EVs:252 attack / 4 SpD / 252 HP
adamant Nature
- waterfall
- aqua jet
- Play rough
- Belly Drum

Scrafty @ leftovers
Ability: shed skin
EVS: 252 HP 252 SpD 4 Attack
careful
bulk up
drain punch
rest
knock off

cloyster @ focus sash
Skill link
252 attack 252 speed 4 d
rock blast
icicle spear
shell smash
spikes

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:46:39 No.22321623 Report

Quoted By: >>22321700

>>22321553
>imprison Klefki with Protect

>>22321583
What this guy said. Launching off 180 BP Rounds.

>>22321596
It isn't a waste if the other pokemon with Round is a spatk normal type that gets STAB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:47:04 No.22321626 Report

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>>22321596
I'm not the one running this shit, I'm just explaining.
He probably wants to feel like a special snowflake, just let him be.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:50:13 No.22321659 Report

Quoted By: >>22321678

>>22321596
>only hits one target
>recoil damage
no thanks

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:50:22 No.22321660 Report

Quoted By: >>22321699

http://pastebin.com/yKLWvknw
r8 my team m8
Things I've noticed so far:
>MegaLop's damage output is aight, good but nobalk is a problem
>Aegislash damage output middling as well, mainly just gets chip damage
>Team extremely frail, if I'm not perfect with predictions feels like I lose

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5300-9466-8961 Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:52:01 No.22321678 Report

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>>22321659
>round
>only hits one target
>does less damage
>who gives a fuck about recoil glalie's dying at the end of the turn anyways
but seriously not using a move because of recoil on a frail mon is a fucking stupid reason
i could see this argument for something bulkier like kang, but definitely not glalie

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:54:01 No.22321699 Report

Quoted By: >>22321829 >>22321886

>>22321660
Your spreads suck, why are you running Talonflame, you have a hard time against tr and can't stop rain or mega Swampert. Kanga runs over your team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:54:08 No.22321700 Report

Quoted By: >>22321723 >>22321752 >>22321789

>>22321623
>using Glalie when Mega-Gardevoir literally does it better and has more SpA
Just accept the fact your team is just ladder gimmick shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:55:01 No.22321710 Report

Quoted By: >>22321732

>>22320967
bump

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5300-9466-8961 Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:55:54 No.22321715 Report

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>>22321619
>>22321619
>sableye
I haven't used it yet, but from what I've seen it's definitely not the best mega choice, and if you really wanted to use it I'd probably run it on a team with two megas so that you don't have to rely on it all the time.
Regular sableye is also pretty good, so if you wanted to you could run non-mega or two megas and bring sableye anyways (just without an item, because you're not mega evolving)
>crobat
defog is useless in vgc
i feel like crobat would probably be better with a bulkier support set, but idk. Definitely run super fang.
>crawdaunt
very frail, not very usable in vgc, and no reason to use it alongside azu
>azumarill
actually not terrible, might want to consider protect over waterfall
>scrafty
hitmontop is better imo, but if you want to run scrafty, try AV with drain punch/knock off/fake out/coverage
>cloyster
spikes are useless in vgc
cloyster is too specially frail and honestly not very good in vgc
>team as a whole
it really looks like a (mediocre at best) singles team, nothing has protect, doesn't really seem to have any synergy. I'd probably scrap it, read some intro to vgc articles on nugget bridge, and try to build again.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:56:18 No.22321722 Report

Quoted By: >>22321882

>>22318840
>Protect turn 1
>Be encored into it by liepard
>He uturns on your hardswitch and gains offensive momentum
Go, Shiggamon!

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:56:20 No.22321723 Report

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>>22321700
I dunno what ladder you're talking about, I'm just trying to have funand catch some people off-guard.

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5300-9466-8961 Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:56:55 No.22321732 Report

Quoted By: >>22321789

>>22321710
>bumping a general

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:57:35 No.22321752 Report

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>>22321700
This, Mega-Glalie is for explosions and return only

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 02:59:02 No.22321768 Report

Quoted By: >>22321970

I'm this guy >>22320213
r8 my team m8?
>http://pastebin.com/FDK1h0nd
The sun never ends.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:00:47 No.22321789 Report

Quoted By: >>22321810 >>22321812 >>22321816

>>22321700
Even M-Gardevoir would be worse than Sylveon.

>>22321732
Pretty clear to me that it's just filler text.
Why haven't you dropped your name yet?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:02:09 No.22321810 Report

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>>22321789
fuck i just realized that i had my name on still
that was from like two days ago, now I'm ashamed that everyone can see how much i was shitposting

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:02:10 No.22321812 Report

Quoted By: >>22321831

>>22321789
That's funny, I OHKO'd a Hyper Voice Sylveon using the Round strategy.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:02:22 No.22321816 Report

Quoted By: >>22321918

>>22321789
Sylveon is nowhere near as good as M-Garde for Round abuse

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:03:07 No.22321829 Report

Quoted By: >>22321856 >>22321890

>>22321699
>your spreads suck
I will give you that, didn't really go indepth with spreads and just stole the thundurus spread from somewhere
>why are you running Talonflame
>why are you running Talonflame
Honestly i forgot why I put it on the team while building, probs could replace it with something else
>Kanga runs over your team
I have MegaLop which resists SuckerPunch and can OHKO with High Jump Kick, and I have an Aegislash to switch in and do nothing back.
>you have a hard time against tr and cant stop rain or mega Swampert
Completely right

Any recommendations? I'll probably be replacing talonflame, and also Sylveon and Thundurus since they aren't part of my "core 4"

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:03:29 No.22321831 Report

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>>22321812
And I OHKO'd A Round Sylveon using a Round M-garde

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:04:49 No.22321856 Report

Quoted By: >>22321964

>>22321829
If you can, change Hi Jump Kick for Drain Punch.
The damage isn't worthy of the recoil.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:06:49 No.22321882 Report

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>>22321722

>Liepard encoring whimsicott

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:07:02 No.22321886 Report

Quoted By: >>22321954 >>22322036

>>22321699
>Your spreads suck
I don't see a huge problem with his spreads. You don't have to autism over every spread just because, especially on offensive pokemon. I am curious about the speed EVs on hydreigon, I would try to creep smeargle. On EV spreads. a worlds top cutting spanish player has this advice:
> For me it doesn’t make sense to always reduce the Attack stats for this reason. For example, your Pokémon with max SAtk deals from 60% to 74% to a specific Pokémon, so you reduces its Special Attack stat to deal at least 51% to it. But doing so you lose the ability to finish it with another Pokémon or to finish it if it has prior damage and that is something so common in this meta with all the switching. Never think about raw calculations between 100% HP Pokémon because you won’t be in that situation frequently.
http://nuggetbridge.com/reports/spanish-power-2012-worlds-masters-3rd-place-team-analysis/

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:07:26 No.22321890 Report

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>>22321829
I was thinking Ferrothorn to deal better with rain. Scizor eats faeries and ludi for breakfast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:09:09 No.22321912 Report

Quoted By: >>22321933 >>22321960 >>22321981 >>22322008 >>22322038

All right /vp/, let me have it. VGC noob here. What naive mistakes am I making?

Big Momma (Kangaskhan) (F) @ Kangaskhanite
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Sucker Punch
- Return
- Power-Up Punch

Mt. Hari (Hariyama) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Guts
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake

Puck You (Sylveon) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Shadow Ball
- Psyshock
- Hidden Power [Ground]

McGwire (Talonflame) @ Life Orb
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Tailwind
- Protect

Sworcery (Aegislash) @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
- King's Shield
- Shadow Ball
- Flash Cannon
- Wide Guard

Yamato (Greninja) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Sneak
- Hydro Pump
- Dark Pulse

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:09:42 No.22321918 Report

Quoted By: >>22321975

>>22321816
In what way? I wouldn't consider M-Garde to be fast enough to be the round starter and Sylveon is stronger when taking boosting items into account.
I'd even say that, maybe, M-Altaria is better than M-Garde due to support options (most importantly tailwind) and better bulk and typing.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:09:51 No.22321922 Report

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>>22318918

any iv calc does it

damage calculators on the other hand... Im just no good with any of them, is there even one that has all megas?

also ToTT milotic looking good this vgc

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:10:29 No.22321933 Report

Quoted By: >>22321957

>>22321912
>Mt. Hari
Fuck you.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:11:31 No.22321954 Report

Quoted By: >>22322036 >>22322046 >>22322143

>>22321886
Ok, his Aegislash doesn't bulk much and doesn't need 252 SpA, should be modest since it's WP.
Hydreigon is too slow. Terribly optimized.
Thundurus should be timid, calm or bold, modest makes no sense since it's a waste of speed and makes it lose bulk.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:11:53 No.22321957 Report

Quoted By:

>>22321933
y tho?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:12:04 No.22321960 Report

Quoted By:

>>22321912

>that singles kanga
>no fake out on hariyama
>wasted EVs on sylveon
>actually using shadow sneak

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:12:13 No.22321964 Report

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>>22321856
>252 Atk Mega Lopunny High Jump Kick vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 230-272 (127 - 150.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>252 Atk Mega Lopunny Low Kick (100 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 176-210 (97.2 - 116%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
>252 Atk Mega Lopunny Drain Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 134-158 (74 - 87.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
tbh I might just go with Low Kick if I change it at all, OHKOing MegaKhan is too important for me

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:12:27 No.22321970 Report

Quoted By:

>>22321768
Aren't you a little weak to Rain?
Sorry I can't help you with the Spreads :(

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:12:49 No.22321975 Report

Quoted By: >>22322077

>>22321918
Neither Garde nor Sylveon is supposed to be the round starter, you use a choice scarfed Special Attacker

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:13:10 No.22321981 Report

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>>22321912
replace shadow sneak and hydro pump on gren for gunk shot and protect
consider low kick over dark pulse
think about whether or not talonflame is actually the best option for that slot on your team, there are many better tailwind users now.
I'd generally run adamant kang with a bit more bulk, especially alongside speed control
look at your spreads and try to optimize them to live specific things, eg specs hydreigon draoc meteor or adamant mence double edge/return
aside from that i think it's a fine first team, and you'll probably get better at building as you play more`

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:13:54 No.22321994 Report

Quoted By: >>22322108

http://pastebin.com/Y0jyFCuy
r8 pls

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:14:39 No.22322008 Report

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>>22321912
Greninja needs protect,sneak sucks and low kick is good.
Haryiama could be something faster like Hitmontop.
optimize evs and consider a naughty nature for brave bird with overheat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:17:00 No.22322036 Report

Quoted By: >>22322108

>>22321954
Aegislash's damage output is mediocre even with 252 SpA, I don't want it doing even less and also the reasoning in this>>22321886

I will agree on Hydreigon, I forgot to speed creep Jolly Smeargle instead of Neutral Smeargle, my bad
The thundurus spread is complete garbage, no justification for it. Modest doesn't achieve anything when slow.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:17:09 No.22322038 Report

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>>22321912
>Mt. Hari
>Puck You
>Sworcery
Top tier nicknames anyway. I prefer Hexcalibur for my Aegi though.

Anyway, you might want to think about editing Big Momma a bit. Have you tried Adamant over Jolly? With all the speed creep, along with the new methods of speed control, it might be worth it to start investing in bulk and offense and supporting speed in another way.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:17:56 No.22322046 Report

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>>22321954
aegislash's spread and nature are fine. it's the spread/nature ray used in Massachusetts except his had lefties. you don't know what you're talking about. you could argue that in this meta aegislash should try to creep sylveon, but there's nothing wrong with max sp atk/hp aegislash and I'm getting the feeling you're one of those people who thinks you have to labor over every spread just because you think its what the pros do. I agree about hydreigon, on thudurus: spread =/= nature. modest thundurus is probably bad

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:20:12 No.22322075 Report

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What do you guys do to improve your teams? Do you look at why you lose games and try to patch holes? ie wow, bisharp sure does bring me trouble, what can I do to fix that? Do you think about what you wish you had?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:20:18 No.22322077 Report

Quoted By: >>22322134 >>22323012

>>22321975
So why use Gardevoir? Sylveon hits harder, with specs or LO, or ever so slightly weaker with Pixie Plate all while not being a mega.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:23:00 No.22322108 Report

Quoted By: >>22322143 >>22322728

>>22321994
Salamence can afford some bulk, Bisharp doesn't need 252 speed, gengar could use protect instead of shadow ball, Suicune would be better than milo since it has good speed control.

>>22322036
A base 150 is always going to hit hard, even more so with wp. Enjoy no bulk,Aegis has to pretty much take two hits before it makes use of the item. And different nature = different spread.
You say that and yet you agree with me. Most 252/252 are fine, but a few can be made better.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:25:29 No.22322134 Report

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>>22322077
Stronger Psyshock, can use Protect (while talking about Specs Sylvy), higher speed (which, admittingly, isn't as big a difference this year). I use mega garde because i like it's looks better

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:26:32 No.22322143 Report

Quoted By: >>22322204 >>22322728

>>22322108
are you the fucking retard from here>>22321954
? just stop posting dude. you are a moron. not trying to be an asshole but you're giving out bad advice in my general. there is literally nothing wrong with 252/252/4 on offensive pokemon. you don't need to slap bulk on everything just because, especially since there's so many mega salamence around that you're gonna wanna speed tie at worst with and you still wanna hit hard. on bisharp: nigger please. max speed bisharp is fine. why the fuck are you gonna put HP evs on a frail pokemon like that? it accomplishes nothing and prevents you from speed tying with other bisharp. Cybertron just published a video today on Bisharp where he recs standard 252/252/4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GcRh1mJ5eY

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:29:32 No.22322182 Report

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Can anyone help me with the EV spreads of Bold Thundurus and Careful Landorus?
>http://pastebin.com/FDK1h0nd

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:31:31 No.22322204 Report

Quoted By: >>22322259 >>22322267 >>22322315 >>22322728

>>22322143
Investing in bulk is good because most ev spreads are to deal with 0 hp mence. Do you gave any idea of the damage output it has at +1?
You can make Bisharp survive a few earthquakes with little hp investment. Most sets I've seen so far have 156 or 164 speed, and the rest in bulk.
I know investing in bulk isn't necessary in every case, but why would you waste evs when you can get all the kos you want?
Also
>implying anyone should remove speed evs from mence

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:36:09 No.22322259 Report

Quoted By: >>22322315 >>22322391 >>22322728

>>22322204
>You can make Bisharp survive a few earthquakes with little hp investment. Most sets I've seen so far have 156 or 164 speed, and the rest in bulk.
just stop dude. you're wrong. you don't need to put bulk in bisharp. Aaron Zheng (third place worlds 2013, two time national champion, philadelphia regional winner 2014) himself as I said recommends max speed/atk bisharp because its so frail. You might not think you're doing harm but you're disseminating bad advice in this thread and are probably going to cause people to lose games.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:36:38 No.22322267 Report

Quoted By: >>22322391

>>22322204
Are no MegaMences running Adamant Balk? IMO DD should run balk.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:39:59 No.22322315 Report

Quoted By: >>22322378 >>22322391 >>22322728

>>22322259
>>22322204
Ok both of you are faggots, although you are good-natured faggots.
Just because Aaron Zheng said something doesn't make it the gospel, while in this scenario I wouldn't really bother with changing Bisharp, he has a point.
Bulkguy, just show us pertinent calcs of bisharp with investment and you can prove your point.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:45:08 No.22322378 Report

Quoted By: >>22322392 >>22322728

>>22322315
>Just because Aaron Zheng said something doesn't make it the gospel
what about Sejun Park? http://imgur.com/a/vDjV8 this is his worlds team from 2013 where he took third. Nearly every pokemon has min/maxed spreads. Aboma is custom, its actually a spread made for ice gem. not sure why he's using it. Magmar has a few EV in some other stats just to gain a few stat points but is nearly completely min/max as well. And Mattj won a regional in 2014 with all 252/252 spreads. They're fine on offensive pokemon. They're fine if you have a good reason for them. You should probably customize spreads on more support oriented mons like rotom-w or cress

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:46:29 No.22322391 Report

Quoted By: >>22322414 >>22322728

>>22322267
That's what i said.

>>22322259
>this pro said this! You must do as he says!
You don't have to out speed everything, and a slow mon such as Bisharp isn't going to accomplish much with 252 speed. What does it outspeed? Other bisharp? 156 makes it out speed base 80,i think. Too sleepy to check that.

>>22322315
Some silly calc I really like: 252/252/4 becomes 100/252/156: Jolly chomp earthquake becomes a 2ko.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:46:32 No.22322392 Report

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>>22322378
>where he took third.
I meant fifth

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:48:06 No.22322414 Report

Quoted By: >>22322486 >>22322728

>>22322391
>>this pro said this! You must do as he says!
>You don't have to out speed everything, and a slow mon such as Bisharp isn't going to accomplish much with 252 speed. What does it outspeed? Other bisharp? 156 makes it out speed base 80,i think
uh, fucking everyone is running 252/252/4 bisharp. its not just because Aaron Zheng says it (although he knows more about pokemon than you ever will and is an expert on the subject) its because that's what people are running and that's what's working. these imaginary bisharp running bulk are in your head dude.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:53:00 No.22322486 Report

Quoted By: >>22322520 >>22322713 >>22322728

>>22322414
>you can't run bulk because nobody is >:(
Ok.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:54:00 No.22322498 Report

Quoted By: >>22322687

My first match in VGC format, just started testing: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2015-197360999

Those flinches destroyed me but some things I noticed:

>Metagross could do better with Bullet Punch
>Jolteon could be better with Air Balloon

Any suggestions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:55:29 No.22322520 Report

Quoted By: >>22322606 >>22322728

>>22322486
>I can't read
It's not just because no one is running it. No one is running it because there is no point in it, it accomplishes nothing. Max speed/attack is a more effect spread. Not to be like whatever but I've been crushing opponents with 252/252/4 bisharp this season, I can almost guarantee I'm better than you. How have you been doing with bulky bisharp?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 03:57:36 No.22322549 Report

Quoted By: >>22322613

Hey guys, Chief Keef here, and you should only run bulk on Bisharp if you have Jolly and you're outspeeding a specific spread, Adamant should run 4/252/252.
-Sincerely,
Chief Keef

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:02:25 No.22322606 Report

Quoted By: >>22322728

>>22322520
I currently don't use it since it shares two weaknesses with my mega. If i were, I'd try out the 156 speed variant, which might not be as good as before since there's a bisharp in every corner and a speed tie seems favorable,even though these are always bad.
It does accomplish something, like surviving a Jolly chomp earthquake, as I posted earlier.
>i can almost guarantee I'm better than you
You're a funny guy. I guess Bisharp is wrecking everything in spite of your plays, since it's a tremendous powerhouse at the moment.I'm going to bed, stop being rude to others~

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:03:13 No.22322613 Report

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>>22322549
T-thank you Sosa-senpai

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:11:49 No.22322687 Report

Quoted By: >>22323065

>>22322498
1.) Learn to predict
2.) What is your reason for using garchomp over landorus?
3.) >iron head garchomp
4.) Jolteon would be better if you weren't using it

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:14:30 No.22322713 Report

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>>22322486
The point is you don't gain anything from the added bulk. If you are worried about bulk use focus sash and you are guaranteed to live 2 attacks. What the speed does in this case is allows it to put pressure on many bulky slow to mid speed tier pokemon like Rotom-w/Cresselia/Tyranitar and punish bad players who decide to run something like slow bulky kanga as you are able to go before all these pokemon.
Let's say you do run a bulky bisharp. In turn you are now getting wow'd by Rotom, outsped and damaged by midtier speed pokemon who are running speed like ludicolo.
Even then 65/100/70 defenses is not good for a pokemon who has a lot of common weaknesses can get hit neutral to the common fairy/water moves.
If you are worried about bulk again just run sash. Bulk just makes it harder for Bisharp to put pressure which is what defines Bisharp in this metagame.
If you can provide a relevant calc please show me.

Also still looking for opponents

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:14:39 No.22322716 Report

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>>22321255
Fuck you, I've been dying to use a Bisharp for ages and now that I have the move tutors, you bet your ass I'll be using it.

Also Sylveon is my bro for life.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:15:31 No.22322728 Report

Quoted By: >>22322745

>>22322108
>>22322143
>>22322204
>>22322259
>>22322315
>>22322378
>>22322391
>>22322414
>>22322486
>>22322520
>>22322606
jesus christ what did i do
how did this escalate so quickly
i just wanted some advice

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:17:03 No.22322745 Report

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>>22322728
I'm really nice I swear. I just get heated when people give out bad advice in my thread and potentially cause people to lose games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:35:51 No.22322974 Report

Quoted By: >>22323050 >>22323071

Hydreigon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
EVs: 84 HP / 252 SpA / 172 Spe
Modest Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Dark Pulse
- Earth Power
- Flamethrower
Is this a good Hydreigon spread? Outspeeds jolly Smeargle, don't know if the HP EVs are nice or nah

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:38:49 No.22323012 Report

Quoted By:

>>22322077
Because that's false.
Mega Garde is much more powerful, and isn't useless if the scarfed round user dies

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:41:32 No.22323050 Report

Quoted By: >>22323122

>>22322974
How about investing one more point in HP just to make sure Garchomp never kills with Dragon Claw. Other than that, it looks solid.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:43:07 No.22323064 Report

Quoted By: >>22323131

Literally the best part about the new ORAS calculator
http://gamut-was-taken.github.io/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:43:15 No.22323065 Report

Quoted By:

>>22322687
>I admit I didn't predict properly the first turns
>Better bulk and Speed at the cost of some damage, better STAB(?)
>Fairies. Was actually thinking about ditching it and leave Stone Edge
>Why wouldn't I use a decent fast sweeper? I'm testing it anyway

Nice suggestions, m8. But really, I'm starting, anything I should replace or keep? That battled fucked me up due to flinch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:43:42 No.22323071 Report

Quoted By:

>>22322974
looks fine. maybe there is a compelling reason for hydreigon to hit a different speed tier in 2014 but I can't think of one. those HP evs are good, they give you the ability to take jolly garchomp's dragon claw almost all the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:48:25 No.22323122 Report

Quoted By: >>22323145 >>22323146 >>22323154

>>22323050
Doesn't 76hp and 4def already do that? I'm on my phone, so I can't check, but if it does, you save 8 EVs.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:49:00 No.22323131 Report

Quoted By:

>>22323064
If only
>http://survivalcalc.appspot.com/
combined with
>http://gamut-was-taken.github.io/index.html
If only if only

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:50:07 No.22323145 Report

Quoted By:

>>22323122
252 Atk Garchomp Dragon Claw vs. 76 HP / 4 Def Hydreigon: 150-176 (84.7 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Eyy it does
My nigga right here, thanks anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:50:21 No.22323146 Report

Quoted By:

>>22323122
iirc it gives you a 93 percent chance or something like that, more than enough safety net. I wouldn't invest a ton of HP to tank it 100 percent of the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:50:48 No.22323154 Report

Quoted By:

>>22323122
Looks like it does
>252 Atk Garchomp Dragon Claw vs. 76 HP / 4 Def Hydreigon: 150-176 (84.7 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:52:45 No.22323177 Report

Quoted By: >>22323208

Hydreigon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
EVs: 76 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 176 Spe
Modest Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Dark Pulse
- Earth Power
- Flamethrower

I think this is the spread, put the extra 4 in speed to outspeed things speed creeping base 75s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:55:17 No.22323208 Report

Quoted By: >>22323235 >>22323252 >>22323265

>>22323177
Do people even use Garchomp anymore when Landorus does almost the same but with intimidate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:56:48 No.22323228 Report

Quoted By: >>22323294 >>22323355

Hey guys. I need some help again. I can't play Cartridge at the moment since I'm having a hard time breeding a 6IV Naive Froakie so I'm playing showdown.

I can't break 1300 and I want to. I get close, but I end up losing at the last moment because of some bad calls and lack of answers to some pokemon. I'm posting my team and I'm hoping you guys can help again. I want to get good and start participating in some online tournaments, but I at least want to break this threshold before I go ahead and make my team on Cartridge.

http://pastebin.com/N41tYR10

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:57:44 No.22323235 Report

Quoted By:

>>22323208
Later in the year it might be seen on teams trying to abuse Brightpowder Sand Veil
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/trainers-guide-to-the-garchomp/
Good article showing how it worked in VGC 2013

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:59:15 No.22323252 Report

Quoted By:

>>22323208
>>22321255

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:00:09 No.22323265 Report

Quoted By: >>22323288

>>22323208
I've noticed a huge drop in usage, which is kind of sad to see. It's probably not the best to use anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:02:49 No.22323288 Report

Quoted By:

>>22323265
I take that back. Double Dragon is still a popular strategy to utilize, though because of Landorus, it has taken a hit.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:03:18 No.22323294 Report

Quoted By: >>22323315 >>22323355

>>22323228
>sash Greninja on TR team

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:05:59 No.22323315 Report

Quoted By: >>22323347

>>22323294
I don't always Trick Room, which is why I run it. Yeah, it becomes dead weight in TR, but it does pave the way for Gothitelle to use it without fear or creates pressure on the opponent with Landorus or Hariyama.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:07:37 No.22323332 Report

Quoted By: >>22323413 >>22323696

Anybody tried out Dragalge? Seems too slow to be effective, but Adaptability Dracos and Sludge Waves seem so good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:09:09 No.22323347 Report

Quoted By:

>>22323315
Aight B, I'd go with Competitive Milotic since you already said yourself that It helps with your matchups against rain and etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:09:58 No.22323355 Report

Quoted By: >>22323384 >>22323475

>>22323228
looks decent. fairly sylveon weak. maybe a little talonflame weak. a kang/bisharp lead could be quite hard for your team to handle. not sure exactly what I would change, just things to keep in mind. the problem is probably at least partially because you're not predicting as well as you could be, that will change with practice>>22323294
having a fast mode with greninja/lando isn't a terrible idea. a lot of great TR teams have a fast mode. about greninja though: I generally wouldn't recommend it on any team but it seems like you have a good reason for using it. if after practice your ELO still isn't improving I might switch greninja out for a different attacker

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:11:42 No.22323384 Report

Quoted By: >>22323475

>>22323355
I realized you have gunk shot for sylveon. I'm not sure if it can OHKO bulkier ones, if it can you're probably fine on the sylveon issue

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:12:59 No.22323403 Report

Quoted By:

Yee

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:14:15 No.22323413 Report

Quoted By: >>22323696

>>22323332
I forgot that thing got his HA. BRB making a team, will post when I'm done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:15:18 No.22323432 Report

Quoted By: >>22323498

Any recommendations for a sun team?

I'm thinking Charizard Y and Typhlosian. I have no fucking idea what else though, I'm new to doubles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:19:45 No.22323475 Report

Quoted By: >>22323579

>>22323355
>>22323384
Any special attacker you recommend? I did think about replacing it with Milotic. Yeah, it walls most rain threats not named Ludicolo, but I don't really do anything back to them with Milotic since it has such a narrow movepool anyways.

Sadly, I did do the calcs with Focus Sash Greninja. Even with full attack invesment, it's a small chance to OHKO Sylveon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:21:41 No.22323498 Report

Quoted By: >>22323577 >>22323652

>>22323432
Landorus, Sylveon, Venusaur, Aegislash and Terrakion pair well with Charizard, says the Pokemon Global Link stats and to be honest that sounds pretty fucking solid. Maybe not Landorus with all those because it limits them but you can fill the other slot.
>http://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/battle/oras/#double
Use this to get an idea of what you should run

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:24:36 No.22323532 Report

Quoted By: >>22323545

>mfw I made my Landorus jolly

I've made a terrible mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:26:23 No.22323545 Report

Quoted By: >>22323597

>>22323532
Better rev up the powersaves my friend

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:29:15 No.22323577 Report

Quoted By:

>>22323498
Thanks mate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:29:32 No.22323579 Report

Quoted By: >>22323621

>>22323475
uh, maybe lapras? it has nice bulk with assault vest, handles a lot of the meta pretty well. hits ludicolo hard. is a great rain counter. usually runs quiet nature too for mixed with ice shard so it could function in TR. not a huge fan of it personally and I don't know how effective it may be in 2015 but its something to consider and test.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:31:14 No.22323597 Report

Quoted By:

>>22323545

m-maybe I can still make it work, beating positive base 90s is something, r-right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:33:29 No.22323621 Report

Quoted By: >>22323688

>>22323579
I just realized: mega charizard y would be a better fit. its faster than lapras, handles rain, hits even sylveon quite hard with overheat. dual mega teams can feel clunky but from what you told me it sounds like you don't bring camerupt if you face rain anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:35:22 No.22323650 Report

Quoted By:

Milotic has been standing on its feet(?) pretty well during my tests, that Competitive boost is pretty nice and bulkiness is amazing, same as Gliscor. Should I really replace Garchomp for Landorus? I've also been thinking in adding Weavile and replacing Jolteon for Hydreigon but I don't know, Discharges work nice so far.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2015-197382489

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:35:35 No.22323652 Report

Quoted By: >>22323715

>>22323498
Damn this is good.

Thinking Charizard Y, Typh, Venusaur, Aegislash, Sylveon, and maybe Garchomp? This actually sounds pretty solid to me. Fucking Rhyperior of all things is actually showing up to be decent on a sun team, I might run it lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:38:41 No.22323687 Report

Quoted By:

http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/defend-yourself-with-a-question/
This is a great article I found which I think will help lots of beginners.

>When you enter a battle, as you’re selecting your Pokémon, ask yourself the following:

>Are the four Pokémon I’m bringing capable of taking on any single Pokémon on the other team?
>After the selection screen goes away, can I remember the opponent’s team?
>What are the problematic Pokémon on the opponent’s team that I should be concerned about, and how will I stop said Pokémon?
>If you are the opponent, what do YOU bring against your team?
>What is the opponent likely to lead against your team?
>What’s the worst case scenario, and are you prepared for it?
>Is your opponent running any setup? How will you stop it?

>Before each turn, be sure to ask yourself the following questions:

>What is my opponent most likely to do, based on his team and the progression of the battle?
>Is my opponent going to switch?
>What’s the worst case scenario for a switch, and can I handle it with the move I make?
>What’s the worst case scenario for the moves, and can I handle it regardless?
>If you’re the opponent, knowing what you know so far, what move are you making against yourself?
>Is your opponent able to set up anything this turn? Will you be affected next turn because of this?
>What is the most optimal move assuming the obvious, and assuming the worst?
>What is the most likely move by your opponent?

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:38:43 No.22323688 Report

Quoted By:

>>22323621
Charizard-Y? Holy crap, that's actually a really good idea. Landorus leads with it pretty well, doing fantastic spread damage, Solarbeam to hit water-types, and can deal with Hyper Voice Sylveon fairly decently. I'll play around with EV spreads and see what I can do.

Thanks a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:39:19 No.22323696 Report

Quoted By: >>22323774 >>22324108

>>22323332
>>22323413
>http://pastebin.com/3KpUtLE1
I really like what I did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:40:59 No.22323715 Report

Quoted By:

>>22323652
I'm guessing Typhlosion is your bro. Go for it, buddy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:46:18 No.22323774 Report

Quoted By: >>22323837 >>22323851

>>22323696
>gentle camerupt
i think this was actually a mistake but fix it and please run some kind of attack investment on camerupt
i get making it bulky but it still needs an offensive presence
>u turn hydreigon
>hasty
>no draco meteor
it's a nuke, u turn isn't as good as more coverage, even if you run u turn hasty is worthless
>drill run
pls no

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:52:49 No.22323837 Report

Quoted By:

>>22323774
>>22323774
In regards of moves I pretty much picked the first thing that made sense, the natures are just what Showdown suggested, Hydreigon was Scarf at first because I wanted a Pokemon to lead with Cresselia and U-turn while Cress set up TR and start a sweep, use other move if you want to.
The one thing I don't understand is why Drill Run is bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:54:25 No.22323851 Report

Quoted By:

>>22323774
this guy is 100 percent right. drill run exca isn't that terrible though, probably less effective than EQ in most situations

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:57:30 No.22323878 Report

Quoted By: >>22323915

got started on a decent rain set. Swift swim mega swampert can deal with quite a lot of things, adamant with 148 speed EV's will let him always outrun the 145 bracket, meaning mega sceptile, boop the unsuspecting lizard with ice punch. salamence will be a 2HKO unfortunately, after intimidate. So I scarfed politoed to ice beam the fucker. Have a registeel to enjoy the rain, a weird set with iron defense and charge beam instead of curse and iron head like I'd been using, makes him harder to kill but still eventually become threatening to anything scarfed ice beams wont kill. Also have a volcarona to fight with sun teams. That's the core so far, Guess I need 2 other guys to switch in for certain situations. I wanna play with mega audino simple beaming quiver dancing volcarona.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 05:59:53 No.22323904 Report

Quoted By: >>22324137

Anyone can help me with the spreads and maybe natures?
http://pastebin.com/FDK1h0nd

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:00:52 No.22323915 Report

Quoted By: >>22323941

>>22323878
>iron defence charge beam registeel
that standard velis set

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:04:10 No.22323941 Report

Quoted By:

>>22323915
hadnt seen it before, it works pretty well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:11:51 No.22324009 Report

Quoted By: >>22324025

Okay, also a newfag. Looking to make a rain team to spice things up.

Thinking Politoed, Mega Swampert, Blastoise, Magnezone, Aegislash, and Parasect.

is it shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:14:15 No.22324025 Report

Quoted By: >>22324040

>>22324009
yes
regular blastoise is bad
magnezone is pretty bad
parasect is outclassed by amoonguss
idk how swampert is but it looks alright

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:15:55 No.22324040 Report

Quoted By: >>22324076

>>22324025
well i was going to use regular blastoise as a bulky rapid spinner as well as rain dancer
>magnezone is pretty bad
i've seen it on a lot of rain teams in gen 5. i guess it might be outclassed now
>parasect
yeah lol
>swampert
pretty much the only reason i'd run a rain team in the first place

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:18:54 No.22324076 Report

Quoted By: >>22324282

>>22324040
This doubles, there is nothing to spin away because hazards are not useful

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:22:40 No.22324108 Report

Quoted By: >>22324142 >>22324149 >>22324160 >>22324182

>>22323696
I've been using this team on PS and this shit is so baller i can't describe it. Like TR plus Sand for a fast option is so good.
Here's a replay
>http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2015-197391806
Where I would've won if Rock Slide did 1 more point of damage

Synergistically it works well. Unsure if I want to go with EQ or Drill Run, Drill Run means Dragalge+Excadrill works together spamming sludge wave, Hydreigon+Excadrill means spamming EQ.

I'm legit going to steal this team bro, I don't know who to credit it to though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:24:27 No.22324124 Report

Quoted By: >>22324163

Just starting with teambuilding. Milotic is almost always my lead and it has proven to be a great one. Anything I should change or replace? I'd really like to improve.

http://pastebin.com/5y4q78sj

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:26:03 No.22324137 Report

Quoted By: >>22324199 >>22324207

>>22323904
seems solid. what do charizard's EVs do? it looks OK at first glance. I'm not so sure about careful band lando, sure Aaron used it but he's a great player and can predict well enough to make use of these exotic spreads. a standard scarf adamant lando might serve you better. for cress, maybe try to survive a +1 knock off from aegislash. I'm not sure if its feasible to survive +1 LO, I don't use cress, but you can easily shoot for +1 knock off survival with a bold nature. tranny wants to 2HKO aegislash and amoonguss with heat wave. probably go modest. use hp ice not earthpower since there aren't enough heatran in the meta to necessitate EP and you want hp ice for salamence. probably calm or bold thundurus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:26:20 No.22324142 Report

Quoted By:

>>22324108
I don't deserve credit because I stole the idea from the Pokemon Global Link stats, the one that came up with the idea was probably one of those crazy japaneses working on some next level shit. But if you fixed all the flaws on the team I want to see them if possible and if you win anything with this I will most likely notice.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:26:56 No.22324149 Report

Quoted By: >>22324170 >>22324286

>>22324108

>this shit is so baller i can't describe it
>post a replay with you losing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:28:07 No.22324160 Report

Quoted By:

>>22324108
your opponent was a retard
he protected raichu for absolutely no reason when it would die to sand anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:28:24 No.22324163 Report

Quoted By: >>22324195 >>22324211

>>22324124
Run protect or dracometeor over iron head on chomp, also try ice punch instead of hammer arm on gross.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:29:08 No.22324170 Report

Quoted By: >>22324180

>>22324149
I bet you have a Youtube channel and you only upload wins

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:29:57 No.22324180 Report

Quoted By:

>>22324170
if you're talking about how great a team is, generally it's better to upload a battle where it doesn't look like ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:30:16 No.22324182 Report

Quoted By:

>>22324108
not sure about dragalge in the first place, definitely not sludge wave. use bomb, you're gonna wanna use EQ so you won't be able to spam both spread moves anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:31:17 No.22324195 Report

Quoted By:

>>22324163
Got it. I'm still not sure about running Adamant over Jolly MegaGross considering it has Bullet Punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:31:54 No.22324199 Report

Quoted By:

>>22324137
>+1 knock off from aegislash
I meant bisharp

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:32:19 No.22324207 Report

Quoted By: >>22324256

>>22324137
Cool.
Any idea for the Moveset/Spread of Thundurus?
I know Bold it's pretty common, but I don't know how it's supposed to be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:32:56 No.22324211 Report

Quoted By: >>22324244

>>22324163
>or dracometeor over iron head on chomp
do not do this. do not run draco meteor garchomp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:35:59 No.22324244 Report

Quoted By: >>22324266

>>22324211
Life Orb Draco on Garchomp can take on almost all dragons that EV to live his Dragon Claw, it's interesting because Intimidate and Burns are on every team

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:36:34 No.22324256 Report

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>>22324207
uhh, maybe you wanna take a fake out/return from jolly kang factoring in sitrus. maybe survive a life orb knock off from bisharp. you probably wanna turn rock slide from adamant lando into a 3hko after sitrus. that shouldn't be too hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:37:34 No.22324266 Report

Quoted By: >>22324290

>>22324244
maybe in 2014 when hydreigon was more common this would be good. as it is, garchomp is outsped and OHKOd by the most common dragon salamence after it mega evolves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:39:47 No.22324282 Report

Quoted By:

>>22324076
should i replace blastoise with tentacruel then? just something with raindance but tentacruel can toxic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:40:02 No.22324286 Report

Quoted By: >>22324330

>>22324149
I really like the team, I feel like it can be polished into something really nice, I just posted the first battle I got with it. Regardless of my assness, the team works

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:40:23 No.22324290 Report

Quoted By: >>22324313

>>22324266
dis why I run scarf draco meteor chomp

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:42:19 No.22324313 Report

Quoted By: >>22324351

>>22324290
Well, time to try this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:44:30 No.22324330 Report

Quoted By: >>22324340 >>22324353

>>22324286
Gave the team a ride with a new alt
>http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2015-197395608
I suck at the game but I like to talk shit to my opponents

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:46:02 No.22324340 Report

Quoted By: >>22324347

>>22324330
>http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2015-197395608
>gg
>lel
stop being a faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:46:48 No.22324347 Report

Quoted By:

>>22324340
you got it backwards, i'm the other asshole

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:47:17 No.22324351 Report

Quoted By:

>>22324313
started out as wanting to run mega chomp with draco meteor and other moves, paired with aerodactyl running tailwind as garchomp protects to mega. I know they're gonna fake out, expecting them to assume a scarfed chomp and targeting him, but instead they fakeout aero, chomp don't get his speed boost, fuck it just make it scarfchomp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:47:20 No.22324353 Report

Quoted By:

>>22324330
>those terrible plays
>turn one flinch when hydreigon would have died
>opponent had sd aegi
>sitrus berry gren
wow anon that team sure is good
good thing you posted a replay that shows how good it is, and not just how shit the ladder is!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:48:44 No.22324361 Report

Quoted By: >>22324380 >>22324397

When should a new thread be made? Around 350?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:52:07 No.22324380 Report

Quoted By: >>22324408

>>22324361
The thread will 404 in like 40 minutes. I can make the new one if you want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:53:48 No.22324397 Report

Quoted By:

>>22324361
I usually make a new one when it hits 300.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:55:08 No.22324408 Report

Quoted By: >>22324431

>>22324380
If you do include the resources in the thread that were posted
http://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/battle/oras/#double
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/defend-yourself-with-a-question/
vgcwithhats.com

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:57:37 No.22324431 Report

Quoted By: >>22324443

>>22324408
>vgcwithhats.com
who is this person? why should we listen to them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 06:59:33 No.22324443 Report

Quoted By: >>22324454

>>22324431
Wolfe Glick and that other faggot. They sometimes post cool shit and they're poplar so when they release a new team you better be prepared because every other 12 y/old will use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 07:00:30 No.22324454 Report

Quoted By: >>22324474 >>22324489

>>22324443
really, Wolfe and Markus have another blog? weird. are you sure you don't mean eggy emporium?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 07:03:37 No.22324474 Report

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>>22324454
nvm i though the link was eggy. thats maxdouglas and someone else, not that popular

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 07:05:10 No.22324489 Report

Quoted By: >>22324507

>>22324454
yeah, I don't see their names anywhere on the blog
all of the authors I see are maxdouglas and some fags with pokemon names
also whoever brigette is, it has all of the pokemon sets in their box with no explanation whatsoever
honestly doesn't seem like that useful of a site

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Anonymous Sat 27 Dec 2014 07:06:58 No.22324507 Report

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Yeah, you're right. Thought i'd include it but in reality it doesn't have anything special over nugget bridge or eggy emporium.
Other sources are good though.

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