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VGC General: new years eve edition

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 07:37:06 No.22378494 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22378587 >>22378600 >>22379240 >>22379509 >>22390217 >>22390740 >>22396428

Resources:

nuggetbridge.com

eggyemporium.com (Wolfe Glick and Markus Stadter's VGC blog)

http://www.oldmanvgc.com/ (jap meta site, has English translations)

youtube channels: http://pastebin.com/kKEpQSUN (embed)

http://nuggetbridge.com/forums/topic/8765-pokemon-vgc-youtube-resources/

http://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/battle/oras/#double (usage stats and recommendations)

http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/defend-yourself-with-a-question/ (how to stop playing like a fag)

Remember: FLAWLESS OR BUST when resetting for legends

ToTT: What is one thing you will miss about the VGC 14 format?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 07:38:28 No.22378507 Report

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>>22352347
>>22352347
old thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 07:44:45 No.22378587 Report

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>>22378494
ToTT: Garchomp

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 07:45:35 No.22378600 Report

Quoted By: >>22378612 >>22378703

>>22378494
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DISCUSSION GENERAL
it looks like shit. its just a fucking general. holy shit I warned you this looks like garbage and you did it anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 07:46:43 No.22378612 Report

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>>22378600
> this
>also dubs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 07:55:59 No.22378703 Report

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>>22378600
i didn't even make the image, i just thought it was recognizable and good fro a new thread
sorry dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 09:03:24 No.22379240 Report

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>>22378494
>ToTT
Obligatory no cancer genies, cress, tran, and the others

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 09:52:05 No.22379509 Report

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>>22378494
Not having to spend hours soft resetting, but more than that, not having to hear others boast about how they're super smart by spending hours soft resetting.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 10:55:30 No.22379787 Report

Quoted By: >>22379801 >>22379809 >>22394289

just played ranked on my cart for the first time (yea I was that guy on the last thread) I got paired with some jap dude and barely won im still shaky as fuck literally trembling as I type this does it ever get better or am I doomed for life

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 11:01:13 No.22379801 Report

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>>22379787
What kind of fucking assburger shit is this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 11:03:11 No.22379809 Report

Quoted By: >>22379816

>>22379787
i think you need to stop putting so much importance on whether or not you win. play as if you have nothing to lose (you don't anyway) and as if you're just playing for fun and it should be less stressful if you lose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 11:06:05 No.22379816 Report

Quoted By: >>22379829 >>22380087

>>22379809

I know, I was expecting to lose so that I could think "oh well im already on my way to the 1000s might as well keep losing or whatever" but now my autism has kicked into overdrive and I feel like if I lose it's all gone and holy shit this sounds retarded when I type but it's exactly how I feel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 11:15:06 No.22379829 Report

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>>22379816
seriously though. i felt the same way when i first started playing. just try to enjoy playing more games as it's the best way to improve and try to learn from the matches you lose for future team building.

on another note, has anyone been entering the tourneys in the vgc showdown room? been pretty fun actually, some good players have entered so far. maybe we could organize a tour for /vp/ vgc gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 12:30:35 No.22380087 Report

Quoted By: >>22380217 >>22381067

>>22379816

God fucking cock sucking damn I won again. This is it. Im not playing anymore in my life. Fuck this forever. Also fuck Smeargle that little fucker and his dark void.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 13:03:46 No.22380217 Report

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>>22380087
think you're taking this a bit too seriously mate

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 15:35:22 No.22381067 Report

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>>22380087
While you may need a break from this I do agree that dark void smeargle is worse than the devil himself

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 18:29:38 No.22382484 Report

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Bumping to get thoughts on sand. It obviously has problems like ttar being weak to drill's eq and Landorus-Therian, but having your sweeper immune to twave with good spread, a brave bird resist and the ability to straight up ko syl seems good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 18:48:01 No.22382631 Report

Quoted By: >>22383688

Anyone found any good spreads for bulky support arcanine? I've just been going max hp/def, with WoW, Helping Hand, Morning Sun, and Heat Wave.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 20:27:51 No.22383608 Report

Quoted By: >>22383619

>mfw playing against the cybertroneclones over wifi.
>mfw every scrub just copy/pastes his team

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 20:28:58 No.22383619 Report

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>>22383608
>build a mega metagross team
>he puts up a video with mega metagross, 4/6 mons are the same
>don't care and use team anyways because I'm not autistic about people thinking i copied him

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 20:34:34 No.22383688 Report

Quoted By: >>22383800

>>22382631
I built one but haven't gotten the chance to test it much
Arcanine @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Def / 140 SpD
Calm Nature
- Overheat
- Will-O-Wisp
- Snarl
- Morning Sun

I figured with wisp/intimidate it already had a significant amount of physical bulk, so it's built to survive a modest specs draco from hydreigon. It's also able to survive from 50% at -2, meaning that it beats hydreigon 1v1 with morning sun
overheat is on the set over heat wave because with no investment heat wave will be doing piss poor damage, and with no helping hand on this set i wanted it to have some kind of offensive presence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 20:46:04 No.22383800 Report

Quoted By: >>22383837 >>22386645

>>22383688
>calm
>tfw I just finished breeding a bold one
god dammit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 20:49:50 No.22383837 Report

Quoted By: >>22386645

>>22383800
I'm sure that bold is equally viable, that's just one possible set

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 23:36:22 No.22385811 Report

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#380 Latias [Timid]
IVs: 30, 31 / 4, 5, 6 / 30, 31 / 31 / 20 - 23 / 30, 31

So fucking close. Reset.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 23:54:48 No.22386015 Report

Quoted By: >>22386095

>resetting for hours now
>tired, sick of this shit
>reset to a 31/29/31/x/21/31

If the SpDef was 29 or 30, I'd keep it. Fuck man. Any tips to raise the chances of 4IVs or is it just luck?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2014 23:59:34 No.22386095 Report

Quoted By: >>22386136

>>22386015
I'm pretty sure it's just luck, which I hope it smiles to me again. Two weeks ago I caught a 31/31/31/31/31/26 Calm Regice in my second try. I'm not even sure if it'd serve competitively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 00:02:36 No.22386136 Report

Quoted By: >>22386198

>>22386095
That's awesome, man. I love Regice.

This Entei is just bummin me out, because while I consistently get Adamant due to Synchronize, his SpA is usually one of the three 31s. It's frustrating as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 00:08:05 No.22386198 Report

Quoted By: >>22386308 >>22386403

>>22386136
Are you going for an Adamant or Modest?

I'm currently using a Final Gambit Zangoose to check a Timid Latias' Spd and HP, pretty useful and the highest I've got so far is 4IVs. I really want to get a flawless since I'll be resetting my game soon since I caught already Heatran and Latios and Rayquaza are kinda crap.

Fuck resetting for OR Latios, why can't we have a moment to save before getting it?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 00:16:38 No.22386293 Report

Quoted By: >>22386319

#380 Latias [Hasty]
IVs: 31 / 31 / 4 - 9 / 31 / 31 / 31

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 00:18:11 No.22386308 Report

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>>22386198
Adamant, for sure. The added damage on Sacred Fire is muy importante.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 00:19:12 No.22386319 Report

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>>22386293
Keep going. I got a 5 IV thundurus the other day, which I found kinda of amusing, then yesterday I got 31/14/28/31/31/31.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 00:26:04 No.22386403 Report

Quoted By: >>22386422 >>22386433

>>22386198
I suppose I could use Primeape and level it to a point where its HP is 189 and Speed is 119. So if I fail to go first, i know Entei has perfect speed.

The only problem is getting hit and then not having max HP.damage for Final gambit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 00:27:10 No.22386422 Report

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>>22386403
that's why I like having a separate pokemon for final gambit and speed checking

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 00:28:14 No.22386433 Report

Quoted By: >>22386508

>>22386403
Yeah, it's a bit complicated. For example Latias has two damaging moves. My order of battle is this:

>Ralts for Timid Synchro
>Switch to Zangoose
>Speed Check
>If Latias is faster, switch to Jolteon
>Paralyze
>Cure Zangoose if it received damage
>Switch to Zangoose and hope Latias doesn't attack it
>Final Gambit

If only it could learn a speed boosting move it would be perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 00:35:13 No.22386508 Report

Quoted By: >>22386543 >>22386593

>>22386433
just get the ralts fainted, synchro still works and you don't have to worry about speed check

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 00:39:27 No.22386543 Report

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>>22386508
Oh yes, forgot that fainted Synchros still work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 00:44:13 No.22386593 Report

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>>22386508
Actually, question, if I run from Latias, her values are reset also?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 00:51:10 No.22386645 Report

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>>22383800
>>22383837
Yes. Arcanine have the same Defenses. Just do the calculation about that Spread and adapt it to get the same numbers (if possible)

For the set on table. What about dropping a little amount of EV's in Defense for Special Attack? In order to use Heat Wave, it's a lot weaker than Overheat but spread STAB damage is useful. That, or Fire Blast, since Arcanine will try to stay as long as possible, the SAtk drop will hurt a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 00:57:07 No.22386708 Report

Quoted By: >>22386866 >>22386867

What's a good set for a support Whimsicott? I'm trying to open with her and do Tailwind, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 01:10:34 No.22386866 Report

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>>22386708
encore, taunt.
safeguard and hitting your own mon with swagger that wont confuse them is also a strategy, with added support of stopping para's and burns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 01:10:38 No.22386867 Report

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#380 Latias [Timid]
IVs: 31 / 24 - 29 / 31 / 27, 28, 29 / 27, 28, 29 / 31

Goddammit.

>>22386708
Taunt, Encore, Memento, Helping Hand and Sleep Powder are the first moves that come to mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 02:32:09 No.22387647 Report

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Does anyone have a playable rain team ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 03:02:42 No.22387946 Report

Quoted By: >>22387985 >>22388004 >>22388177

Question: How do you guys do calculations for Life Orb and/or Sandstorm damage in regards to HP EVs? Trying to figure out a Life Orb Thundurus spread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 03:06:35 No.22387985 Report

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>>22387946
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/bulking-guide-defensive-ev-spreads/

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 03:08:12 No.22387999 Report

Quoted By: >>22388124

What are /vgc/'s thoughts on teeter dance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 03:08:51 No.22388004 Report

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>>22387946
I'm probably wrong in saying this, but I think you need a number divisible by 10, then +1 onto it, ie 141, 151, 161 etc, for LO

And since you lose 1/16 hp from Sand, you would need a number divisible by 16 then +1 onto it

So for something to have minimized LO AND Sand Damage, you would need 161 HP on Thundurus, I think, but that's quite low investment (52 HP), so I think you would need to choose LO or Sand over the other

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 03:25:30 No.22388124 Report

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>>22387999
I once got my ass kicked by an Electrify-Teeter Dance combo. Outside of that though, I've been unable to find much use for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 03:31:13 No.22388177 Report

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>>22387946

You want to try to maximize the amount of HP you have while not taking an extra point in damage from Life Orb or Sandstorm. For Life Orb, you want an HP that's equal to 10n-1 (since it deals 1/10 of your HP rounded down in damage), while for Sandstorm you want 16n-1.

There's other considerations to take into effect as well. Using Substitute? You want an HP equal to 4n+1. Belly Drum with Sitrus? Better make sure that HP is divisible by 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 04:01:47 No.22388383 Report

Quoted By: >>22388485

What does /vp/ think about Lucario as the secondary Mega that can chose to go Mega or not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 04:11:48 No.22388485 Report

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>>22388383
it depends on the make up of the rest of your team imo
i suppose it's OK, but it's really frail and gallade does many of the same things albeit at the 110 speed tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 04:47:33 No.22388852 Report

Quoted By: >>22388962 >>22389012 >>22389016

Entei guy here. I got a Jolly 31/31/21/x/31/31.

Should...Should i end my ride?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 04:55:47 No.22388962 Report

Quoted By: >>22388972

>>22388852
Keep going bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 04:56:55 No.22388972 Report

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>>22388962
I hate this ride.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 04:59:44 No.22389012 Report

Quoted By: >>22389069

>>22388852

>Remember: FLAWLESS OR BUST when resetting for legends

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 05:00:02 No.22389016 Report

Quoted By: >>22389069

>>22388852
Flawless or bust, bro. Flawless or bust.

Just imagine yourself with Entei behind you, staring at your opponent. Wouldn't you like that baddass scene to be as perfect as possible? So you need a perfect Pokemon. Keep going.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 05:03:46 No.22389069 Report

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>>22389016
>>22389012
Thanks guys. I just miss the days of simple RNG abuse.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 05:23:34 No.22389268 Report

Quoted By: >>22389291 >>22389315 >>22389346

Well, he's 31/31/31/x/29/31. I'm not investing in SpDef at all, so the single point really can't matter that much, right?

I know, perfect or bust. I'm actually genuinely curious if the single point matters, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 05:25:16 No.22389291 Report

Quoted By:

>>22389268
I would keep that

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 05:26:38 No.22389315 Report

Quoted By:

>>22389268
Keep

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 05:29:21 No.22389346 Report

Quoted By: >>22389465

>>22389268
My autism would make me reset. I'd say run some damage calculations with common threats, if those two points make no difference, then keep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 05:42:10 No.22389465 Report

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>>22389346
It appears any max EV STAB Hydro Pump from common mons like Suicune and RotomW have a high chance to OHKO, regardless off that one point.

The one point doesn't matter in regards to Thundurus TBolt, Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice, and other similar situations on the Special side. Plus, stacking him behind a Light Screen will help as well.

I'm keeping him.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 05:59:17 No.22389597 Report

Quoted By: >>22397112

Flawless Timid Latias before the year ended!

FUCK YEAH

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 06:31:02 No.22389894 Report

Quoted By: >>22389905 >>22389981

do you guys spend more time battling or raising/sr'ing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 06:32:32 No.22389905 Report

Quoted By: >>22392549

>>22389894
I spend most of my time theorymoning teams and never actually doing anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 06:40:01 No.22389976 Report

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Do you guys get excited by the battles you fight, or do you go with a winning mindset? My blood tends to get pumping whenever I'm about to start.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 06:40:18 No.22389981 Report

Quoted By: >>22390064

>>22389894
I haven't had a single online battle since I'm too busy breeding and training and SRing for perfect legendaries.

I'm more of a breeder, to be honest, but you gotta have that nice perfect team.

Talking about legendaries, does somebody know if Giratina is affected by Final Gambit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 06:48:41 No.22390064 Report

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>>22389981
Doesn't affect it. Get a dusclops, can learn both foresight and memento.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 07:04:02 No.22390201 Report

Quoted By: >>22390220

Reminder that it doesn't matter if your Grass pokemon is 6IV, good egg moves, etc, it will get owned by pretty much half the pokemon out there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 07:06:00 No.22390217 Report

Quoted By:

>>22378494
Golurk

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 07:06:34 No.22390220 Report

Quoted By:

>>22390201
Ferro and Venusaur beat a lot of the top 12

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 07:08:22 No.22390237 Report

Quoted By: >>22390306

is Gengar (including mega) always just best going for a 252/252 spread?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 07:16:37 No.22390306 Report

Quoted By:

>>22390237
perish trap gengars usually invest in bulk

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 08:17:10 No.22390740 Report

Quoted By: >>22390788

>>22378494
so i'm real new and haven't even gotten to mega evolutions in ORAS (first game in a couple of years).

can i mega evolve and use a move on the same turn, or does mega evolving "use" my turn? how does a mega evolution interact with choice band/scarf/specs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 08:26:09 No.22390788 Report

Quoted By: >>22390818 >>22390845

>>22390740
You can use a move the same turn you mega evolve. However, keep in mind that your speed won't change until the turn AFTER you evolve. That being said, megas can't hold items. So no interaction with specs/scarf/etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 08:30:13 No.22390816 Report

Quoted By: >>22390824 >>22390973 >>22391979

How do you guys deal with Aromatisse's Trick Room set up? Aroma Veil screws me over big time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 08:31:13 No.22390818 Report

Quoted By: >>22390845 >>22390864

>>22390788
>That being said, megas can't hold items. So no interaction with specs/scarf/etc.
duh. thanks.

so then, the cases where a mon doesnt get faster && >30% boost to its relevant offensive stat, Life Orb is just as good and frees up the mega slot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 08:31:39 No.22390824 Report

Quoted By:

>>22390816
You kill him or use a Pokemon with trick room yourself to revert his bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 08:33:31 No.22390845 Report

Quoted By: >>22390864

>>22390788
>>22390818
Oh, and specifically with something like sableye, since the mega form doesn't have prankster, i assume the non-damaging moves lose that benefit. do people typically hold off on mega evolving him until a status effect has fired off?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 08:37:12 No.22390864 Report

Quoted By: >>22390888

>>22390818
>>22390845
Pretty much. It's why regular scizor is seen as > Mega.

Sableye's a weird little mon. Most people do use him like that, yeah. It's not very good in VGC, if you were wondering, but there you go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 08:41:03 No.22390888 Report

Quoted By:

>>22390864
Actually, I might be mistaken, but i believe prankster still works on the turn you megavolve. Speed and priority is calculated before you evolve I think. (Too bad, mega banette could have used that the other way around)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 08:52:30 No.22390973 Report

Quoted By:

>>22390816
Fake out. As an aromatisse user myself, fake out always ruins my day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 11:19:11 No.22391621 Report

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le necrobump

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 12:51:36 No.22391979 Report

Quoted By: >>22392085 >>22392434

>>22390816
You slaughter it. You think anything can take a M-Khan Double Edge + Land-T EQ head on?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 13:14:16 No.22392085 Report

Quoted By:

>>22391979
just theoretical
could a mega-slowbro take that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 14:11:51 No.22392434 Report

Quoted By:

>>22391979
Have fun earthquaking your megamilf

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 14:29:44 No.22392549 Report

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>>22389905
Are you me?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 18:43:02 No.22394186 Report

Quoted By: >>22394221

Just realized my team is Zapdos weak
What can I do to pressure Zapdos? Most are bulky with Roost

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 18:46:23 No.22394221 Report

Quoted By:

>>22394186
mamoswine shits all over zapdos

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 18:56:40 No.22394289 Report

Quoted By:

>>22379787
I've been getting really nervous playing recently too. I think I used to take losing completely fine, but the better I get, the more I expect myself to win and feel worse about losing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 20:06:39 No.22395017 Report

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Where is the guy who had the Final Gambit Shuckles that min speed Cress could outslow?

Did he say he was going to distribute some?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 21:17:35 No.22395781 Report

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Why is he so perfect?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 21:43:56 No.22396038 Report

Quoted By: >>22396049 >>22396056 >>22396307

I'm currently building a team for practice on Showdown. I'm building it as a trick room team.
Is it acceptable to have 2 Mega pokemon? I wanted to run both MawilleM and KhangaskhanM, and select the right one for the situation based on the matchup. Or is this a bad idea, as it makes it so that I can never have them on the same 4/6?
The other pokemon I have so far is a setter Reniclus

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 21:45:20 No.22396049 Report

Quoted By: >>22396086

>>22396038

I think its a bad idea but showdown would be the right place to try it out and see how it actually works

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 21:46:23 No.22396056 Report

Quoted By: >>22396086

>>22396038
It's fine, but Mawile and Kanga are shit without their megas. Maybe you ould have Mawile and a mega like Gyarados, which can be ok if you need mega Mawile and a water type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 21:49:02 No.22396086 Report

Quoted By: >>22396275

>>22396056
Ah, so is my limiting factor more the similariy between the 2 pokemon and what they do?
If I should swap one for, say, a mega special attacker, which should I drop?

>>22396049
I've never really used showdown before, and this is my first foray into double battling; I didn't like it before, but I love trick room and it's the ideal environment to try it in.

Thanks guys

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:07:11 No.22396275 Report

Quoted By: >>22396293

>>22396086
No, the problem is that mawile and kanga are terrible without mega evolving, where something like gyarados can work just fine without having to mega. So if you're in a situation where you want to bring both mawile and kanga, one will be severely nerfed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:08:33 No.22396293 Report

Quoted By:

>>22396275
I see. I'm struggling to find an interesting special attacker, so I might pick up Gyarados then. Thanks!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:09:18 No.22396307 Report

Quoted By:

>>22396038
It's a very good idea, as long as the two megas have different uses. You can go on nuggetbridge and see plenty of reports with two megas, and I've top cut a regionals with two megas myself.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:19:18 No.22396414 Report

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>tfw no PCs

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:20:40 No.22396428 Report

Quoted By: >>22396481 >>22396870

>>22378494

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:25:02 No.22396481 Report

Quoted By: >>22396502

>>22396428
Nice meme friend, mind if I save it? :)

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:26:39 No.22396502 Report

Quoted By: >>22396510

>>22396481
origami continent, donut steel

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:27:12 No.22396510 Report

Quoted By:

>>22396502
rude af

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:27:43 No.22396516 Report

Quoted By: >>22396540

So what is the best nature for Thundurus in the long run?

I kinda want to SR for a Timid one, but isn't the bulky set very popular?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:28:28 No.22396530 Report

Quoted By: >>22396584 >>22396659

ORAS premier challenge in Phoenix streaming now at
twitch tv/mackplays
for anyone who's interested!

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:29:11 No.22396540 Report

Quoted By: >>22396552

>>22396516
blucky is by far the best

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:30:08 No.22396552 Report

Quoted By: >>22396580

>>22396540
Calm is better for it isn't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:31:54 No.22396580 Report

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>>22396552
never run it, I'd wait for Antar to release the december useage stats and check the 1760 moveset stats there

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:32:19 No.22396584 Report

Quoted By: >>22396598 >>22396616

>>22396530
>join
>level 35 tflame and level 36 togetic
what is this

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:33:09 No.22396598 Report

Quoted By:

>>22396584
I think someone took their ingame team lmao

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:33:15 No.22396599 Report

Quoted By: >>22396627 >>22396649

Ok, here's what I ended up with.
I feel as though I need to replace Landrous-T with another Trick Room setter and that putting all my eggs in one basket in Cresellia is a bad idea. I'm going to test now, and might make this change if it doesn't work out.
I also think I need to drop one of my Faerie types in order to have better coverage.

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:34:20 No.22396616 Report

Quoted By:

>>22396584
i think it's juniors in the first round actually, kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:35:31 No.22396627 Report

Quoted By:

>>22396599
take stealth rock off lando-t for starters, waste of a moveslot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:37:24 No.22396649 Report

Quoted By: >>22396738

>>22396599
>stealth rock
>all of those bulky mons with 252/252/4 spreads
>swagger cresselia
>everything with a -speed nature, even relatively fast things
>non assvest/band/scarf landorus
>fucking brave dragon dance

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:38:05 No.22396659 Report

Quoted By:

>>22396530
>sonic 3ds theme
dropped

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:39:54 No.22396680 Report

Quoted By: >>22396702 >>22396737

Can someone recommend me a set for scizor?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:42:19 No.22396702 Report

Quoted By: >>22396757

>>22396680
either life orb SD or band, but it's really not as good as it used to be
it also gets quick guard and tailwind i guess, but there are better users IMO

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:44:54 No.22396737 Report

Quoted By: >>22396757

>>22396680
Scizor @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
Level: 50
EVs: 252 Atk
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Quick Guard / Tailwind
- Bug Bite
- Knock Off

I don't know how to EV Scizor, but it's a good starting point imo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:45:08 No.22396738 Report

Quoted By: >>22396787 >>22396820

>>22396649
I probably should have replied to my above post, but I have no idea what I'm doing with doubles. I want to try and play a few matches before reading a bunch of articles so I have some context.
What is the issue with
>all of those bulky mons with 252/252/4 spreads
>swagger cresselia
I thought Swagger was considered overpowered? I intend to use it against supports and special attackers.
>everything with a -speed nature, even relatively fast things
Trick Room team. Have I chosen the wrong pokemon for this?
>non assvest/band/scarf landorus
I'm trying to use the Landorus as a support, with damage potential in STAB Earthquake which is why I gave him Leftovers. Is that a bad idea? I'll drop Stealth Rock like you say.

I managed to pull out a win just then with Gyara Cres lead, and Mawille Sylveon in reserve.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:47:02 No.22396757 Report

Quoted By: >>22396765 >>22396820

>>22396702
>>22396737
How about mega scizor?
Is it better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:47:48 No.22396765 Report

Quoted By: >>22396854

>>22396757
No

stick to LO or banded imo

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:47:53 No.22396766 Report

Quoted By: >>22396978

>currently resetting for Latios
The best I've gotten was 4IV, but with shit SpAtk. He keeps getting 31 in SpDef, even though I'm using synchro for Naive.
>mfw I have to get out of bed for work in an hour and a half

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:49:09 No.22396787 Report

Quoted By: >>22396987

>>22396738
regarding the bulky spreads & -speed natures, on successful trick room teams you usually want other options as well as operating in trick room. that way if a setter goes down or your opponent stalls it out, you have more options. swagger is better on prankster mons like thundurus because of priority. you said you wanted to use landorus as a support but it doesn't have any kind of support movepool and is better used as an offensive mon. hope that helps somewhat

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:51:47 No.22396820 Report

Quoted By: >>22396854 >>22396987

>>22396738
with bulky mons it's better to ev to survive specific things (specs draco, adamant kang double edge) rather than just dumping everything into one stat
it gives you a better chance to survive everything
swagger is only decent on prankster mons like thundurus, and even then it's completely luck based and not worth usage in actual competition imo
on a trick room team, it's actually pretty standard to have a fast mode, but if you really wanted all min speed, some things should never be used (like min speed DD, especially in trick room)
landorus has literally no reason to hold lefties (unless you're running protect i guess) because it has very few actual support moves
it's generally seen as what it is, very powerful eq/rockslide spam with intimidate spam
>>22396757
mega scizor is trash

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:54:10 No.22396854 Report

Quoted By: >>22396860 >>22396867 >>22396873

>>22396765
>>22396820
Is it trash just for VGC doubles or trash all around

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:54:35 No.22396860 Report

Quoted By:

>>22396854
just for vgc, it's pretty great in singles

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:55:01 No.22396867 Report

Quoted By:

>>22396854
It's good in singles but not worth the mega slot in VGC. Use one of the stronger megas like kanga, zard, or mence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:55:13 No.22396870 Report

Quoted By:

>>22396428
ebin may-may bro xDDDD You sure showed those silly VGC plebs who's boss!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 22:55:31 No.22396873 Report

Quoted By:

>>22396854
it's a fine bulky defogger/set up mon in singles, but in doubles it's not even as good as regular scizor, which isn't nearly as good as it used to be

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:07:22 No.22396978 Report

Quoted By: >>22396986

>>22396766
Just got a 31/13/31/31/31/31 Naive Latios. If its SpDef and Atk were switched, I'd keep it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:07:58 No.22396986 Report

Quoted By: >>22397029

>>22396978
What exactly do you need mixed Latios for?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:08:11 No.22396987 Report

Quoted By: >>22397026

>>22396787
>>22396820
Thanks for the help guys, I appreciate it. I want to get good so that I can go to overseas events when I go on holiday as there are no events in my country.

So with my EVs and catering to a Trick Room strategy, say if I have a pokemon with high SpD and lower Def, which should I pour my points into, or should I distribute them evenly such that they are roughly even? I would expect the latter to be a worse option though as it leaves them vunerable to pokemon that have a very strong focus on special or physical.

Apart from that I'm going to drop Swagger and Stealth Rock. I wanted to use Thunder Wave on Cress, but decided against it because it could help the opposing pokemon fight in trick room. I think Leftovers/Sitrus + Moonlight or Leftovers/Sitrus + Protect could be good for sustain and allowing me to play defensively and set up multiple Trick Rooms.

I feel I should drop Landorus-T and replace him with another Trick Room setting support. Looking at http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/an-early-vgc-2015-metagame-overview/ I am leaning towards Gothitelle. The problem is then that I have 2 Psychic types on my team to get off Trick Room safely. Is there a better option than her?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:12:54 No.22397026 Report

Quoted By: >>22397071

>>22396987
Depends on you want this setter to do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:13:21 No.22397029 Report

Quoted By: >>22397062 >>22397102

>>22396986
Dragon Dancing Mega Latios.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:16:08 No.22397062 Report

Quoted By: >>22397138

>>22397029
it's sort of underwhelming, the only thing you'll be really taking advantage of is the extra speed

do you have some physical calcs that made you decide on running it?

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:16:34 No.22397071 Report

Quoted By: >>22397100 >>22397113 >>22397134

>>22397026
Using Shadow Tag and Trick Room, control a battle such that I can get at least one Trick Room + KO off before she dies.
Realistically, I would like a non-Psychic support Trick Room setter, but I don't think such a thing really exists.
Went with 2 support moves to work in conjunction with one of my sweepers, in addition to having Psychic to deal strong and consistent STAB damage. Still reluctant to use Thunder Wave because of Trick Room.

Opted to put Protect on Cresellia in place of Swagger, but I don't feel that's the best option.

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:17:33 No.22397085 Report

Quoted By: >>22397104 >>22397141

GUYS WHAT ABOUT PIXILATE PHYSICAL DOUBLE-EDGE SYLVEON

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:18:22 No.22397100 Report

Quoted By: >>22397134 >>22397175

>>22397071
if you run trick room, give everything a 0 speed IV and a speed reducing nature

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:18:36 No.22397102 Report

Quoted By: >>22397138

>>22397029
I don't fucking even.

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:18:43 No.22397104 Report

Quoted By: >>22397141

>>22397085
NO, QUICK ATTACK OR NOTHING

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:19:36 No.22397112 Report

Quoted By: >>22398076

>>22389597
How many softresets?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:19:40 No.22397113 Report

Quoted By:

>>22397071
Mawile and Sylveon don't mind -speed natures since 50 and 60 base speed is slow as balls anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:22:13 No.22397134 Report

Quoted By: >>22397175

>>22397100
>everything
but trick room teams are generally better if they run some pokemon with speed/priority
>>22397071
sylveon, cress, mawile should all have - speed
put landorus back on, cresselia+goth isn't a good core, and lando fucks a lot of the meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:22:32 No.22397138 Report

Quoted By: >>22397150 >>22397250

>>22397062
>>22397102
Seems like the only reason to actually use Mega Latios over standard Latios, IMO. I was gonna run DD, ED, Zen Headbutt, and Draco Meteor on it with 252Atk, 252Spd, and 4SpAtk. Do you think I should just go with a special sweeper?

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:22:53 No.22397141 Report

Quoted By: >>22397152 >>22397242

>>22397085
>>22397104
>Adamant Pixilate Sylveon
>Scarged with Double-Edge and Last Resort
>win every game

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:23:37 No.22397150 Report

Quoted By:

>>22397138
*EQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:23:54 No.22397152 Report

Quoted By:

>>22397141
>Scarfed*

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Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:25:45 No.22397175 Report

Quoted By:

>>22397100
>>22397134
I might leave the speed on Gyarados and maybe Rotom-H.

>>22397134
I've made the -Speed adjustment. Is it really acceptable to run 3 Physical Sweepers and only 1 Trick Room setter, or would I convert 1 of my Sweepers into more of a supportive role with physical output?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:30:40 No.22397242 Report

Quoted By: >>22397249

>>22397141
>use last resort
>move fails
good set

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:31:33 No.22397249 Report

Quoted By:

>>22397242
anon, he posted a Ralph picture...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:31:35 No.22397250 Report

Quoted By: >>22397406

>>22397138
I tought of mixed Mega Latios too but when I took a look at the calcs I wasn't that sure if it's the best idea. As far as I know the only thing you'll be hitting considerably harder is Goodra, while a 252 Atk Zen Headbutt from it hits Amoonguss for the same damage than a 12 Sp. Atk Psyshock (not considering the set Amoonguss is running, but at +1 Atk of course it hits harder but might as well just CM).

EQ can net you some nice surprise KOs against unsuspecting Heatrans but that's about it (can't OHKO Mega Mawile at +1)

Aside from the extra speed there's not much else that a different DDancer can't do without using your Mega slot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:33:44 No.22397288 Report

Quoted By:

Where are Nationals this year? Boston as well?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:42:57 No.22397406 Report

Quoted By:

>>22397250
Maybe it would be better to just go with Timid Life Orb Latios then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jan 2015 23:45:50 No.22397442 Report

Quoted By: >>22398481

Hi /vp/. I'm having my first ever premier challenge (actually it's also the first one for my country) next sunday week.
I've finished my VGC 2015 team, and tested it in rating battle for the first time ever last night. And I think I'm doing fine, the problem is...
I'm already nervous as fuck.

At one side I want to keep practicing because I haven't got enough training with this team, even though I spent 2 weeks later in showdown, but in rating battles, it's zero (with this team). On another side, I don't want to lose confidence if at some point I'm keep losing at rating. So yeah, I'm literally trembling while writing this. What should I do?

Sorry for the wall of text. Good morning vp

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 00:50:46 No.22398076 Report

Quoted By:

>>22397112
Didn't have the count. Took me like 4 hours without considering new years eve dinner. Caught it at 11:57PM, I was so happy.

I have now a Seviper for the Regis, currently soft resetting for Registeel. It's a bit harder since Speed, even if perfect, won't tell what Nature the Pokemon is until I capture it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 01:16:32 No.22398338 Report

Quoted By:

Need some help. I have an adamant Tyrogue and I'm probably gonna use it for intimidate support. What kind of EV spread should I be going for? Anything I should use as a benchmark to tank?

Also, is the Follow Me Togekiss generally Calm, Bold, or Modest?

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 01:16:52 No.22398341 Report

Quoted By: >>22398467 >>22399689 >>22401774

OKAY FAGGOTS.

I want to run a Modest Specs Sylveon, what's a good EV spread for it?

I saw some sets and I was thinking:

Sylveon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pixilate
Level: 50
EVs: 92 HP / 116 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 44 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Shadow Ball
- Psyshock
- Hyper Beam

Well? Any other good EV spread?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 01:27:06 No.22398434 Report

Quoted By: >>22398443

How do I counter Cresselia with a mon that's immune to EQ, but not Balloon Bisharp?

I'm thinking Gengar, but it's kinda frail and there's always the threat of Psychic/Psyshock

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 01:28:07 No.22398443 Report

Quoted By:

>>22398434
never mind, I completely forgot about Hydreigon for a minute there, I'll just use it with Wide Guard support

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 01:29:40 No.22398467 Report

Quoted By: >>22398482 >>22398533 >>22399689

>>22398341
what are you surviving with the defensive investment, and what are you outspeeding?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 01:31:16 No.22398481 Report

Quoted By:

>>22397442
play on cart, you might start losing a few battles but eventually you get better and start gaining rank, it also helps to not get nervous

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 01:31:19 No.22398482 Report

Quoted By: >>22398500 >>22398533

>>22398467
I think that's Aaron Zhengs EV spread for it, and I think it survives Jolly Kangs Return

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 01:33:24 No.22398500 Report

Quoted By: >>22398533 >>22398539

>>22398482
Double Edge is the new standard now imo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 01:37:03 No.22398533 Report

Quoted By: >>22399689

>>22398467
Return from Jolly Mega Kan, but no Double-Edge. Don't even talk about Bisharp, Mawile and Metragross, Sylveon's natural Def is shit to begin with. And with that you outspeed other Specs and Life Orb Sylveons.

>>22398482
Yeah, I saw this in his video. Moved some wasted EVs to SpDef.

>>22398500
Yep, pretty much, but I always use a Reflect Prankster Meowstic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 01:37:29 No.22398539 Report

Quoted By:

>>22398500
i think that return is fairly standard on jolly, and if the kang is adamant it's not living either way

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 01:38:50 No.22398551 Report

Quoted By: >>22398559

>Adamant MegaChomp gets outsped by max speed Mamo by 1 point

are you fucking shitting me

Most of them are scarfed anyway, aren't they? So not like it matters

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 01:39:55 No.22398559 Report

Quoted By:

>>22398551
it matters when they one-shot you :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 02:17:24 No.22398982 Report

Quoted By: >>22399018 >>22399033

How come so many people run Timid Greninja but still run with Gunk Shot and/or Low Kick?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 02:20:33 No.22399018 Report

Quoted By:

>>22398982
Because breeding is a fucking pain in the ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 02:21:34 No.22399033 Report

Quoted By:

>>22398982
Because they're retards.

Greninja is to be used Naive since it will die anyway to anything that hits neutral. That and Greninja is not as good in Doubles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 02:25:30 No.22399078 Report

Quoted By: >>22399303 >>22399332 >>22399580

Ok, so I was that guy asking about sand last thread and I finally built a team around it

http://pastebin.com/uTrGimXD

So my team has no Fake Out users, a glaring weakness to Rain and no Intimidaters either, but I don't know what to drop if I do change it. Ludicolo comes to mind for Fake Out and dealing with Rain and Lando-T comes to mind for Intimidate

I've played a few games on the ladder with it and seems alright so far

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 02:41:44 No.22399303 Report

Quoted By: >>22399354

>>22399078
take the ebelt off exca and put life orb. no reason for ebelt if your LO isn't taken

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 02:43:52 No.22399332 Report

Quoted By: >>22399354

>>22399078
>http://pastebin.com/uTrGimXD
>uTrGimXD
>XD
get out

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 02:46:04 No.22399354 Report

Quoted By:

>>22399303
Yeah, I had that one at first, but I'm actually considering keeping it since Excadrill is frail as fuck and it can bluff a Sash
I'm going to try out LO for a few games and see if it helps any

>>22399332
pls no bully

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:04:17 No.22399580 Report

Quoted By: >>22399659 >>22399666 >>22399725

>>22399078

Well fuck I just got destroyed by Aaron Zhengs younger brother

I think I might just keep a TTar/Exca/Toge core, this team is way too weak to MegaMom, Conkeldurr, Rain and Trick Room

I'm going to experiment with some obscure shit and see if I can find anything worth using

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:11:06 No.22399659 Report

Quoted By:

>>22399580
I'm also experimenting with sand and I'm actually using a ludicolo on my team, it's great for swampert rain and does fine even out of rain, with a typing that goes well with ttar drill

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:11:23 No.22399666 Report

Quoted By: >>22399793

>>22399580
What happened? At least post a replay bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:12:41 No.22399682 Report

Quoted By: >>22399711

anyone try mega lucario in doubles? reccomend it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:12:59 No.22399689 Report

Quoted By:

>>22398341
>>22398467
>>22398533
What happened with this, I want a Sylveon too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:15:53 No.22399711 Report

Quoted By: >>22400067

>>22399682
It's okay. Not as powerful or bulky as Kangaskhan, and it gets similar coverage. I guess it's got better STABs and is faster though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:17:01 No.22399725 Report

Quoted By: >>22399749

>>22399580
AssVest Conkeldurr is a massive pain in the ass to deal with. Good coverage on top mons and the threat of Guts deters status. Pretty much need a Fairy-type to shut it out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:18:59 No.22399749 Report

Quoted By:

>>22399725
It's a massive pain for sand in particular since the sand core of excadrill and ttar is weak as fuck to it since it's so damn bulky

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:22:29 No.22399793 Report

Quoted By:

>>22399666
Well fuck it's been 15 minutes so I can't get the replay

I lost pretty badly and the matchup was pretty bad, considering he had MegaMom, Conkeldurr and Rain support which could run right through my team and having such a massive weakness to something so common is not good at all
It's probably just a case of slapping on an offensive Fairy mega and calling it a day since that would've helped so much because Conkeldurr is literally the biggest asshole ever, especially to TTar/Exca since it picks them off so easily

Anyway, I'm going to try out Mega Lopunny since it sounds really interesting in VGC and it seems to work well with Sylveon. Sylveon kills Conkeldurr and those bulky shits while Lopunny kills Bisharp and MegaMom, then I'll keep Hydreigon for Cresselia and see how that works out

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:37:30 No.22399941 Report

Quoted By: >>22399964

I'm about to go out, but does Nuggetbridge have articles on certain maths about 'take these EVs to prevent your pokemon from dying to Xmove on Ypokemon'?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:40:11 No.22399964 Report

Quoted By: >>22400082

>>22399941
They don't have suggested EV spreads for each Pokémon like Smogon does, but you can pick it up for a lot of common Pokémon from team reports.
It's easy enough to identify threats and design your own EV spread with a damage calculator though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:40:15 No.22399966 Report

Quoted By: >>22399978 >>22399999

can supportive sylveon be a thing? or is it just to frail? hoping to throw people off since 99% of sylveons are specs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:41:16 No.22399978 Report

Quoted By:

>>22399966
It can work with Helping Hand, but it doesn't have much support moves than that

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:42:32 No.22399984 Report

Quoted By: >>22399996

What the fuck is up with all these Gengars paired with Whimsicott? Maybe I've just fought shit players but they've done nothing but die without getting anything done when playing them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:43:27 No.22399996 Report

Quoted By:

>>22399984
Probably PerishTrap

Gengar Perish Songs and Whimsicott encores you into Protect or something else

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:43:41 No.22399999 Report

Quoted By: >>22400014 >>22400016 >>22400485

>>22399966
I'm seeing dual screens, helping hand, and skill swap which might be fun. There are better things to do with it though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:44:29 No.22400014 Report

Quoted By: >>22400039

>>22399999
im thinking skill swap boombursts

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:44:42 No.22400016 Report

Quoted By:

>>22399999
Well of course there are you fuck, make it your personal repeating integer machine

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:46:17 No.22400039 Report

Quoted By: >>22400054

>>22400014
Boomburst is shit. Hits everything on the field.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:47:39 No.22400054 Report

Quoted By: >>22400092

>>22400039
yeah i dont know what protect is either

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:48:19 No.22400067 Report

Quoted By: >>22400122

>>22399711

someone wonder traded me a 5IV riolu so I thought I might try

do you guys ever wonder trade?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:50:27 No.22400082 Report

Quoted By:

>>22399964
Fair enough. I don't know the numbers and most of the 'common' 1shot configs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:51:38 No.22400092 Report

Quoted By:

>>22400054
Nah, that's stupid. You don't see surf except for storm drain/water absorb gimmicks, and only see EQ because it's the best ground attack and plenty of things are immune to ground. Why go through the trouble of skill swapping pixilate onto something when sylveon can fire off pixilate hyper voices AND your other mon can not be useless protecting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:52:26 No.22400097 Report

Quoted By: >>22400156 >>22400185

I played a few doubles rating battles and noticed a few things. My team sucked, but it was to be expected since I pretty much just tossed together 6 Pokemon I had that were EV trained, not because they had specific synergy.

A lot of teams have some sort of gimmick to them. Trick room lead with partner slow sweeper, Drizzle lead with partner swift swimmer, Charizard Y lead with random poke that benefits from sunlight, etc.

Talonflame is fucking gay.

is having at least 1 gimmick between 2-3 of your pokemon the standard way to play doubles? I'm trying to delve more into proper team building and strategies now that I've seen this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:55:11 No.22400122 Report

Quoted By: >>22400130

>>22400067
I spam wonder trade but I don't know how to tell the IVs of the pokemon I recieve. I think I got a 5IV Honedge

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:55:58 No.22400130 Report

Quoted By: >>22400256

>>22400122
pokemon center at the battle resort

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 03:58:26 No.22400156 Report

Quoted By:

>>22400097
You said it, synergy.

All those teams have a certain synergy that lets them work together, doesn't matter what Pokemon is in the field with it. If it's not something that benefits from its partner, it's something that doesn't hinder it and works decently with it.

So to answer your question, yes. Your team must have some basic synergy so they can cover at each other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 04:01:10 No.22400185 Report

Quoted By:

>>22400097
"Gimmick" means something that doesn't work reliably and so isn't very popular in competitive teams.
What you're describing there are strategies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 04:04:54 No.22400256 Report

Quoted By: >>22400276

>>22400130
When do you unlock the Battle Resort? Or is it on the PokeNav?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 04:06:20 No.22400276 Report

Quoted By: >>22400315

>>22400256
The Battle Resort is an island you go to after finishing Delta Episode.
How new are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 04:09:36 No.22400315 Report

Quoted By: >>22400496

>>22400276
I just beat the E4 yesterday and am playing through Delta now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 04:22:46 No.22400485 Report

Quoted By:

>>22399999
Sexy ass numbers there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 04:24:09 No.22400496 Report

Quoted By:

>>22400315
Dude, not to be offensive but you should finish the whole game first, forget about competitive for a bit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 05:53:05 No.22401409 Report

Quoted By: >>22401479 >>22401491 >>22401679

hey guys, totally new to the format, but ive been following that Cybertron VGC guy on youtube for a few days and i like some of the ideas he has for teams. I've already got a Bisharp, Sylveon and M-Metagross from singles that i can bring on over, but I don't know how to play doubles properly.

Should i be adding protect to any of these, or is there anything else i should know for doubles in general?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 05:58:48 No.22401479 Report

Quoted By: >>22401498

>>22401409
Bisharp and Mega Metagross will usually want Protect, Sylveon not as much since Specs is so good and it can run support moves like Helping Hand instead. Just some experience playing doubles is all you need to learn what situations/sets Protect work best for, but generally you'll want it on a few mons at least unless the team is really really offensive

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:00:23 No.22401491 Report

Quoted By:

>>22401409
In singles syl is usually a special wall/cleric, while in dubs syl is almost always specs or offensive. Some things are better in doubles than in singles. Be prepared for weather, trick room, and the pokemon cybertron talks about in his intro video as threats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:00:59 No.22401498 Report

Quoted By: >>22401661 >>22401679

>>22401479
I've seen a lot of people adding Sylveon. I love Eeveevolutions but I never thought Sylveon would become so popular. What's the common set being used? Also, could it work along a TR Cress and MegaMaw? I'm still not sure if I should go for a hyper offensive or a TR team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:15:24 No.22401661 Report

Quoted By:

>>22401498
Modest @Choice Specs
Hyper Voice
Shadow Ball
Psyshock
Hyper Beam/ HP Fire/ HP Ground

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:18:02 No.22401679 Report

Quoted By: >>22401699

>>22401498
>>22401409 here.from what i've seen the common Sylv set is
@specs
92 HP/116 DEF/252 SPA/48 SPE
Modest
-Hyper Voice
-Psyshock
-Shadow Ball
-Hyper Beam (but i run HP ground)

if you want to run it on a TR team, i suppose you could put those speed EVs into HP,but i can't say if that'd work for sure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:20:21 No.22401694 Report

Quoted By: >>22401751 >>22401759

gen 6 pokegen when

i can't handle breeding anymore

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:21:07 No.22401699 Report

Quoted By: >>22403084

>>22401679
It's funny that everyone wants to survive jolly kang return when
1. lol fake out chip
2. more kang run double edge than return
I guess its better than nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:27:45 No.22401751 Report

Quoted By: >>22401778

>>22401694
buy powersaves. It can even give pokerus and EV now. Want more?

Now it can shinify without changing the TID.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:28:41 No.22401759 Report

Quoted By: >>22401778 >>22401786 >>22401806

>>22401694
Giveaways in this general would be cool, there are surely plenty of VGCers out there with powersaving and cloning access

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:30:20 No.22401774 Report

Quoted By:

>>22398341
Use zero speed with neutral nature, it'll give Syl speed 1 point below Cresselia, which means you can hit him with shadow ball faster under TR.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:30:47 No.22401778 Report

Quoted By: >>22401821

>>22401751
I have powersaves but haven't updated it in a while. I've been out of touch recently. I just miss how easy Pokegen was.
>>22401759
I wouldn't mind it. It would make people more active.

If I were to breed a mon and clone it, which one should I do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:31:28 No.22401786 Report

Quoted By: >>22401794 >>22401821

>>22401759
I have access to powersave and pokegen, what kind of Poke do you all want? Modest Syl with HP Ground?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:32:18 No.22401794 Report

Quoted By: >>22401813

>>22401786
Magnezone with HP fire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:33:39 No.22401806 Report

Quoted By: >>22401811 >>22401821

>>22401759
I usually do giveaways of VGC oriented mons over at Giveaway General. If you guys can give me complete sets (including EVs), I can work on them and send them through the GTS.

Also, I have a question. Is there any damage calculator that has been updated with all the new ORAS stuff?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:34:15 No.22401811 Report

Quoted By: >>22401830

>>22401806
>Giveaway General
That place is a clusterfuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:34:21 No.22401812 Report

Quoted By: >>22401829

Guys I need your advices.

I know everybody says flawless or bust but what about a Bold 31/1/31/31/30/9 Cresselia? It's almost flawless, does it needs 31 in speed if I'm not running trick room?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:34:42 No.22401813 Report

Quoted By: >>22401818

>>22401794
I assume it's modest with magnet pull?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:35:17 No.22401818 Report

Quoted By:

>>22401813
Yeah that'd be great

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:35:41 No.22401821 Report

Quoted By:

>>22401778
>>22401786
>>22401806
Yeah, stuff that's not super easy to breed would be cool

Legendaries would be my main request though if ever possible since I'm already sick of SRing. Things like HP Ice Zapdos, 0 Spe Sassy/Relaxed Cresselia and genies

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:37:00 No.22401829 Report

Quoted By:

>>22401812
depends, try look at it's speed in showdown/ other calc, then compare it to some speed tier list. Look if it need some more speed that threaten it or not, after that, decide by yourself does it need more resetting or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:37:00 No.22401830 Report

Quoted By:

>>22401811
It is, it's usually filled with shitposting and other types of cancer, so I'm beginning to avoid it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:39:34 No.22401851 Report

Quoted By: >>22401863

What partners well with Mega Metagross?

I wish I could make a team that's viable in doubles, but could hold its own in singles as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:41:47 No.22401863 Report

Quoted By: >>22401871

>>22401851
I usually see Metagross on rain teams, probably to mitigate the fire weakness. So Politoed is a definite partner.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:42:23 No.22401871 Report

Quoted By:

>>22401863
Wow I never thought of a rain team.

Sounds interesting, thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:42:39 No.22401876 Report

Quoted By: >>22401882 >>22401883 >>22401896

Now making Magnezone, any Egg moves I should have concern?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:43:41 No.22401882 Report

Quoted By:

>>22401876
how stupid am I, it didn't learn any moves by breeding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:43:41 No.22401883 Report

Quoted By:

>>22401876
No, magnemite has no egg moves

just hp fire and you're good to go

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:45:20 No.22401896 Report

Quoted By: >>22401905 >>22401957 >>22402122

>>22401876
Is Magnezone even good in VGC? I liked the HP Ground Sylveon idea better

>tfw only Dittos I have are for HP Ice, Fire and Grass

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:46:45 No.22401905 Report

Quoted By:

>>22401896
idk just a suggestion

i've seen magnetons and magnezones in battle spot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 06:52:20 No.22401957 Report

Quoted By:

>>22401896
It actually acts as steel killer.

Hence it needs HP Fire.

Hence many megagross now bringing EQ to their arsenal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 07:06:22 No.22402058 Report

Quoted By: >>22402065 >>22402101 >>22402131

Five HP Fire Magnezone ready to serve.

Put Zigzagoon up in GTS, /vp/ as message, and post IGN here.

Modify the EV spread by yourself if you didn't like it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 07:07:29 No.22402065 Report

Quoted By:

>>22402058
forgot to make it shiny, but I hope that's fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 07:10:11 No.22402088 Report

Quoted By: >>22402106

man Im always in a bad situation
put whimsicott on team getting tired of prankster hax, next team runs two prankster leads to para hax it
give my wash rotom a scarf to make sure it outspeeds things, next team is tailwind team.
tired of sylveons on teams, put a gunk shot greninja on my team. It's missed the 4 times I've used it so far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 07:11:31 No.22402101 Report

Quoted By: >>22402129

>>22402058
That was quick, I put one up, IGN Daniel

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 07:11:51 No.22402106 Report

Quoted By: >>22402123 >>22402144

>>22402088
I feel your pain anon. best thing to do for now is put down the game and take a break for a few hours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 07:14:25 No.22402122 Report

Quoted By:

>>22401896
its one of the only pokemon to resist bolt/beam. Baz Anderson has some videos on his channel of him using skill swap chimecho to swap levitate onto magnezone, he hit like 1400+ on the vgc 2014 ladder with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 07:14:26 No.22402123 Report

Quoted By: >>22402144

>>22402106
This, take a break, maybe go eat something good and just relax first

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 07:15:41 No.22402129 Report

Quoted By:

>>22402101
sent

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 07:15:42 No.22402131 Report

Quoted By:

>>22402058
Hey thanks for this. IGN:Edgardo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 07:17:48 No.22402144 Report

Quoted By:

>>22402106
>>22402123
its a very painful meta.
made salamence a special attacker to avoid all the intimidaters, dont run into any, hyper voice doesn't do much damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 07:27:25 No.22402239 Report

Quoted By:

lets try chansey on there to stop the special attackers

next team leads with hariyama and azumarill

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 07:31:56 No.22402269 Report

Quoted By: >>22402292 >>22402322 >>22402330

Thoughts on Virizion as a rain team check? It balks hits from Pert, Ludicolo and Politoed all day and retaliates with solid 2HKOs/1HKOs but I'm worried about Talonflame and Kingdra. Also seeing potential synergy with Megagross.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 07:34:41 No.22402292 Report

Quoted By: >>22402322

>>22402269
Quick Guard can screw with Talonflame, though people may see that coming and just use Flare Blitz

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 07:38:34 No.22402322 Report

Quoted By: >>22402330

>>22402292
Thats where the rain works, to reduce flare blitz damage.

>>22402269
can Virizion learn rock slide/ stone edge? That might work for counter after the talon use flare blitz.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 07:39:26 No.22402330 Report

Quoted By: >>22402335 >>22402344

>>22402269
swampert and politoed are likely to carry an ice attack, unless you make it bulky enough.
>>22402322
virizion's 4x weak to priority bravebirds

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 07:40:43 No.22402335 Report

Quoted By: >>22402540

>>22402330
Yeah, that's why you use Quick Guard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 07:41:46 No.22402344 Report

Quoted By: >>22402540

>>22402330
Uh, sorry, my bad, I don't know the one who learn quick guard is Virizion itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 08:10:46 No.22402540 Report

Quoted By: >>22402640

>>22402335
>>22402344
I feel like if I was trying this strategy out, verizion would get faked out or prankster t-wave paralyzed, or swagger confusion hit, and then it'd get brave bird KO'd. or flare blitz'd. or will-o-wisped, or tricked a choice scarf. Or you manage to only run into sun teams.

I'm in a pessimistic mood now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 08:23:55 No.22402620 Report

Quoted By: >>22402648

So VGC delevels your Pokemon to 50, right?
Do you still need to EV train all 508 EVs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 08:27:09 No.22402640 Report

Quoted By: >>22402671

>>22402540
Quick Guard has +4 priority, so it blocks all Prankster users, as well as Fake Out as long as you're faster (which Virizion should be apart from shit like max speed Meowstic and Ambipom)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 08:28:19 No.22402648 Report

Quoted By:

>>22402620
Yes though occasionally you'll have 4 useless EVs that can't go anywhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 08:32:16 No.22402671 Report

Quoted By:

>>22402640
swift swim fakeout ludicolo which I just ran into

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 08:46:23 No.22402758 Report

Quoted By:

Trick Room HH Cressellia + Hyper Voice Sylveon is such a fucking retardedly strong lead.

Unless I get taunted

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 08:49:16 No.22402772 Report

Quoted By: >>22402788 >>22402895 >>22404180

Looking for improvements on the following team:
I used this in late 2014, but it seems to be doing better than anything i can do in 2015.

I've tried substituting thundurus in for talonflame, which seemed to work alright. I'm considering using a sylveon in place of hydreigon. Opinions?

Kangaskhan @ Kangaskhanite
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 84 HP / 236 Atk / 28 Def / 4 SpD / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Return
- Low Kick
- Sucker Punch
- Protect

Hydreigon @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 12 HP / 36 Def / 204 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flash Cannon
- Dark Pulse
- Flamethrower
- Protect

Talonflame @ Expert Belt
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 HP / 228 Atk / 20 Def / 4 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Taunt
- Protect

Aegislash @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 4 Def / 98 SpA / 150 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Shadow Ball
- Flash Cannon
- Shadow Sneak
- King’s Shield

Ludicolo @ Assault Vest
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 4 HP / 132 Def / 172 SpA / 4 SpD / 196 Spe
Modest Nature
- Scald
- Giga Drain
- Ice Beam
- Fake Out

Politoed @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 4 HP / 4 Def / 244 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Encore

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 08:53:19 No.22402788 Report

Quoted By: >>22402814

>>22402772
weakness policy aegislash too strong
guaranteed to survive with a sliver of health

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 08:59:07 No.22402814 Report

Quoted By: >>22402910

>>22402788
Always

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 09:09:50 No.22402895 Report

Quoted By:

>>22402772
>Hydreigon without Draco Meteor
Unless I've missed something, this is silly

Sharp Beak is also a better item for Talonflame if you can't use LO, it doesn't hit super effectively that often

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 09:11:48 No.22402910 Report

Quoted By:

>>22402814
hey aegislash, how about fire punch conkeldurr
wow, that looks like a fraction of an HP, good job.

hey aegislash you know my sylveon's scarfed, here's a shadowball. good show aegislash, your shadow sneak crit secured the KO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 09:43:27 No.22403084 Report

Quoted By:

>>22401699
This.

I've been using a mixed Sash Infernape lately which does wonders against MegaKhan teams because its Fake Out is faster, and although Close Combat is only 44% to OHKO MegaKhan, it's a sure thing after the chip damage from Fake Out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 09:52:10 No.22403140 Report

Quoted By: >>22403227

I would have thought 165 fully invested attack would be enough to KO things with super effective moves, but mega gallade just is not killing anything. poison jab is lucky to 2HKO fairies if I'm lucky and they aren't also steel type, ice punch is just a pittance to that king of bulk thundurus, and everyone and their mother resists close combat in this meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 10:11:16 No.22403227 Report

Quoted By: >>22403251

>>22403140
Strong neutral STABs, mate. It's why MegaKhan, MegaMence, Sylveon and co. are top dogs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 10:14:17 No.22403251 Report

Quoted By:

>>22403227
neutral stab beats out non-stab super effective...besides math and whatever.

nah rotom survived close combat, this thing can't kill shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 10:28:08 No.22403321 Report

Quoted By: >>22403381

choice specs exploud boomburst wont KO mega swampert
great

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 10:44:58 No.22403381 Report

Quoted By: >>22403406 >>22403416

>>22403321
just use rotom-w, swampert can't do anything against it and you can make it useless by burning it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 10:52:37 No.22403406 Report

Quoted By: >>22403409

>>22403381
I've been making teams like a motherfucker, rotom ends up on some of em. always goes against things he's useless against, tail wind teams with shit that can OHKO it neutrally, I have no idea, my mega gallade max attack close combat cant KO theirs. Scarf will-o-wisp as dumb as it sounds cant even get his burn off. I cant make a tailwind team, I get hit with fake out. I cant make a fake out team, I get out damaged.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 10:54:26 No.22403409 Report

Quoted By: >>22403421

>>22403406
what spread are you using? go sitrus berry instead of scarf

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 10:56:56 No.22403416 Report

Quoted By: >>22403418

>>22403381
I've been wanting to use m-swampert along with talonflame for amoongus and ferrothorn and whatever else. But I can't think of any reason to actually run m-swampert when I could use ludicolo instead. As you said, rotom walls it, and all the intimidate running around doesn't help either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 10:59:00 No.22403418 Report

Quoted By:

>>22403416
on rain ludicolo is definitely the superior choice, just outclasses swampert sadly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 10:59:31 No.22403421 Report

Quoted By: >>22403429

>>22403409
nothing but focus sash would have prevented getting OHKO. No spread would have outsped it. A full HP Def spread might have survived it. Whatever he's gonna go up against is gonna be whatever makes him useless. I wanna see some high ladder matches to see what people are doing for any kind of consistency

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:03:19 No.22403429 Report

Quoted By: >>22403438

>>22403421
it can live charizard y solar beam with the right spread and only needs i think 252 hp 48 def to survive m-mawile play rough (keep in mind this is before sitrus berry so will live these attacks and then get back to a reasonable amount of health) so either your opponent is using helping hand support or you need to be using protect more. or have a more threatening pokemon on the field with it to draw away that attention if they're targeting rotom a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:06:27 No.22403437 Report

Quoted By: >>22403447 >>22403454 >>22403456 >>22403488 >>22403501 >>22403508 >>22403552 >>22403822 >>22404180

What do you guys reckon about this team?

Mawile @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Atk / 4 Def / 124 SpD
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Iron Head
- Play Rough
- Sucker Punch
- Protect

Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 108 Def / 28 SpA / 120 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Scald
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
- Protect

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- U-turn
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Superpower

Sylveon @ Life Orb
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 92 HP / 116 Def / 252 SpA / 48 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 30 SpA / 30 SpD / 1 Spe
- Hyper Voice
- Protect
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Ground]

Cresselia (F) @ Mental Herb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 28 SpA / 148 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Trick Room
- Helping Hand
- Psyshock
- Reflect

Talonflame @ Sharp Beak
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 HP / 228 Atk / 20 Def / 4 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Taunt
- Protect

Video of me winning a showdown tournament with it:
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2015-199094700

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:06:41 No.22403438 Report

Quoted By: >>22403455

>>22403429
so make a spread to survive charizard y, then run into a bunch of kanga moms, or anything to fake it out and be useless, or get taunted. Yes I have run into a lot of helping hand support. Been trying that myself with politoed and mega swampert, but oh wait it's a trick room team with an amoongus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:08:06 No.22403447 Report

Quoted By: >>22403452

>>22403437
Why Gastrodon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:10:14 No.22403452 Report

Quoted By: >>22403461

>>22403447
Gastrodon is super useful against most rain teams, and can easily redirect water attacks meant for landorus or talonflame. I tend to keep it in the back and bring it out when there is an obvious threat. It also helps that it utterly counters heatran and mawile, and is slow as fuck which helps in TR

I must admit, i don't use it as much as i used to though. Any other recommendations?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:11:02 No.22403454 Report

Quoted By:

>>22403437
it was such a bad start, but then no specs no scarf sylveon sweep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:11:05 No.22403455 Report

Quoted By: >>22403460

>>22403438
it can be ev'd to survive both charizard and kang but you seem frustrated so probably have a break from the game for a bit first before thinking bout adjusting your team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:11:11 No.22403456 Report

Quoted By: >>22403459 >>22403481

>>22403437
Expert belt on Talonflame instead of beak?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:12:25 No.22403459 Report

Quoted By:

>>22403456
i did have expert belt on instead of beak, but i've been experimenting with just a beak for the guaranteed 1.2x boost

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:12:25 No.22403460 Report

Quoted By:

>>22403455
Yeah, sorry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:12:51 No.22403461 Report

Quoted By: >>22403471

>>22403452
No, I was expecting that kind of response. I can't think of anything that can fill that role besides Cradily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:15:26 No.22403471 Report

Quoted By: >>22403486

>>22403461
Exactly.

Initially i struggled to find a mon that would help me to counter Char-Y, and i tried Garchomp and Rotom-H in the slot that landorus currently is in.

Landorus has been working quite well for me though!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:17:40 No.22403481 Report

Quoted By: >>22403486

>>22403456
It only has two attacks and most of the time you're using BB to hit neutral targets. The constant boost that plates give is much better than EBelt except in a small handful of cases; generally avoid EBelt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:19:23 No.22403486 Report

Quoted By: >>22403499

>>22403471
I can imagine. And it's sashed,nobody expects it.

>>22403481
I know, but it's always a good option to consider. I'd use a sky plate instead of sharp beak. Can you imagine a bird holding a huge plate while attacking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:20:18 No.22403488 Report

Quoted By: >>22403492 >>22403499

>>22403437
>Sylveon @ Life Orb
Better than Specs? Currently running LO on my RotomH and Specs on my Sylveon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:22:33 No.22403492 Report

Quoted By: >>22403588

>>22403488
I dunno about better but it lets you use Helping Hand and Protect and shit. 90% of the time you're just spamming hyper voice anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:23:46 No.22403499 Report

Quoted By: >>22403588

>>22403486
i'm surprised sash lando-t isn't more common, i run it as well as the anon who posted the replay. considering switching to scarf right now though but having protect is just too good.
>>22403488
i run LO on sylveon as i'm using specs elsewhere, it's pretty good for clutch protects and you can helping hand your partner in case you're about to go down so you still make some impact on the battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:24:29 No.22403501 Report

Quoted By: >>22403506

>>22403437
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that team as I see it is an invitation for Bisharp to barge in and ruin everything. It can either attack your 2 mons or heavily punish your switches with knock off.

To avoid being sucker punched to death, slap Will-o-Wisp on Talonflame. You will outspeed Bisharp, being preferable that you lead it with something like Sylveon to make the Bisharp user feel he has to stay in. Bisharps will either lead or come out after something has died, never switch in. Also, slap a Sitrus Berry on Talonflame so that even when not intimidated you can survive an adamant mega kangaskhan's return and do something next turn.

As for cresselia's EVs I don't see the point of invest in special defense. It's already enough of a bulky powerhouse to withstand a 252+ Aegislash shadow ball, so you're wasting evs you could instead invest somewhere more useful such as having enough SpA to OHKO Landorus-T with an ice beam.

Sylveon's spread is fine, but investing in special defense is wasteful, so consider reallocating those EVs to live better physical threats which are sylveon's main weakness.

Overall quite a solid team, it's just that it's insanely weak to a highly common threat as it is, so watch out or most players will walk over you in tournaments.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:29:41 No.22403506 Report

Quoted By:

>>22403501
Those are great tips. thank you very much.

I'll have a play around with talonflame and see what I can do in regards to fitting in w-o-w. to be honest, i don't often use flare blitz so it might be a matter of simply switching to that.

Bisharp is a threat to this team, for sure, but i find that gastrodon and now landorus are fairly good checks. It doesn't help that cresselia can't touch bisharp either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:30:27 No.22403508 Report

Quoted By: >>22403535

>>22403437
hey tim do you have a cress like that ingame or do you still need one?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:37:47 No.22403535 Report

Quoted By: >>22403544

>>22403508
Mine is Clam nature- 31/0/31/31/31/0

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:40:44 No.22403544 Report

Quoted By:

>>22403535
get on skype, I'll trade you a clone of my one, it's relaxed + 31 / 23 / 31 / 31 / 31 / 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:43:06 No.22403552 Report

Quoted By: >>22403575

>>22403437
Your Sylveon's EVs are a bit off.

I'm assuming you're investing defense to survive Jolly MegaKhan's Return, since Showdown's calculator shows the max damage range to be 99.4%. However, Showdown's calculator is inaccurate when it comes to Parental Bond; it's true max range is 100%.

What you should be using is a spread of 148 HP / 92 Def / 252 SpA / 16 SpD. You survive the actual max range on Jolly MegaKhan's Return, and you have better physical and special bulk than the spread you're currently running. And you sit at 189HP, which minimises LO recoil and sandstorm damage without sacrificing much in the way of bulk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:50:45 No.22403575 Report

Quoted By:

>>22403552
Thank you so much! Fixing ASAP

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 11:55:52 No.22403588 Report

Quoted By:

>>22403492
>>22403499
I run Sylveon in a TR environment so I typically am top of the speed chain once I set up. I do agree that I'm pretty much only using Hyper Voice but I have the >smogon recommended build for her with shadowball, HP Ground, HV and something else I cant remember right now. I feel as though taking one in Sleep Talk could be beneficial because I got raped by Void Cats before and I don't want to fold to sleep strategies.

I think Protect is fantastic on her esp. against earthquake and steel attacks such as iron head or gyro ball, but I find myself wanting to suicide her if I can get another 50% x2 damage off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 13:08:47 No.22403822 Report

Quoted By:

>>22403437
Why Adamant Mawile instead of Brave?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 13:17:27 No.22403857 Report

Quoted By: >>22403880 >>22404033

Altaria-Mega @ Altarianite
Ability: Pixilate
Level: 50
EVs: 68 HP / 148 Def / 84 SpA / 204 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Fire Blast
- Ice Beam
- Protect

Any way I can make this Altaria spread better?

68 HP for 159 HP stat which minimizes Sandstorm damage, 148 Def for Adamant MegaKhan Double-Edge, 204 SpD for Quiet Aegislash Flash Cannon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 13:21:56 No.22403880 Report

Quoted By: >>22404017

>>22403857
it's going to hit like a wet noodle with only 84 SpA

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 13:49:02 No.22404017 Report

Quoted By: >>22404082

Altaria-Mega @ Altarianite
Ability: Pixilate
Level: 50
EVs: 68 HP / 44 Def / 252 SpA / 84 SpD / 60 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Fire Blast
- Ice Beam
- Protect

>>22403880

How about this spread then? It lives Jolly MegaKhan Double-Edge and Modest Heatran Flash Cannon instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 13:53:26 No.22404033 Report

Quoted By: >>22404082 >>22404209

>>22403857
196 HP / 36 Def / 156 SpA / 100 SpD / 20 Spe

Faster, bulkier, hits harder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 14:06:57 No.22404082 Report

Quoted By:

>>22404017
>>22404033
both of these look pretty solid

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 14:07:04 No.22404083 Report

Quoted By: >>22404090 >>22404092 >>22404129 >>22404180 >>22404199

Pardon the list, but I came up with this sun ish team at 3AM.:

Blaziken @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Baton Pass
- High Jump Kick
- Flare Blitz
- Protect

Charizard @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Dragon Pulse
- Focus Blast
- Air Slash
- Fire Blast

Rhyperior
Ability: Reckless
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Rush
- Earthquake
- Megahorn
- Stone Edge

Venusaur @ Shell Bell
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
- SolarBeam
- Sludge Bomb
- Leech Seed
- Amnesia

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 184 HP / 252 Atk / 72 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Facade
- Earthquake
- Protect
- Cross Poison

Manectric @ Air Balloon
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Volt Switch
- Overheat
- Protect

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 14:09:22 No.22404090 Report

Quoted By:

>>22404083
Landorus-T

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 14:09:55 No.22404092 Report

Quoted By: >>22404163

>>22404083
>Rhyperior
>Ability: Reckless
Change to solid rock, you have no reckless moves besides lol dragon rush, which you should also get rid of for protect. Get rid of Megahorn, bug is shit coverage. Replace SE with rock slide.

Baton pass on blaziken is ehhh. I know it has better moves like brave bird or rock slide.

Your charY is awful, period. You want a bulky modest set with heat wave, overheat, solarbeam, protect.

>shell bell
>ever

>amnesia
>ever

Gliscor is shit in dubs in general, replace with garchomp or lando-t if you need a strong erfquaker

>air balloon manectric
use either mega manectric or raikou, non-mega manectric is very underwhelming

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 14:16:04 No.22404129 Report

Quoted By: >>22404134

>>22404083
>High Jump Kick
>Charizard not using Protect
>Dragon Pulse
>Rhyperior with Reckless but no recoil moves
>Rhyperior with inefficient EVs
>Rhyperior with no item
>Dragon Rush
>Shell Bell
>Amnesia Venusaur
>Venusaur not using Sleep Powder
>Cross Poison Gliscor
>Two (2) Fire moves on Manectric

I'm assuming this is not a VGC team at this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 14:17:13 No.22404134 Report

Quoted By: >>22404199

>>22404129
I didn't really even put thought into this

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 14:24:06 No.22404163 Report

Quoted By: >>22404180

>>22404092
How about this set:

Blaziken @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Baton Pass
- High Jump Kick
- Flare Blitz
- Protect

Charizard @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
- Heat Wave
- Overheat
- Protect
- SolarBeam

Rhyperior @ Red Card
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Earthquake
- Iron Tail
- Rock Slide

Venusaur @ Leftovers
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 248 HP / 156 SpA / 104 Spe
Timid Nature
- SolarBeam
- Sludge Bomb
- Leech Seed
- Substitute

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Payback
- Brick Break
- Stone Edge

Raikou @ Air Balloon
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Shadow Ball
- Thunder
- Extrasensory

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 14:26:37 No.22404180 Report

Quoted By:

>>22404163
>>22404083
>>22403437
>>22402772
pastebin.com

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 14:30:50 No.22404199 Report

Quoted By: >>22404231

>>22404083
>>22404134
it shows

I'm no expert but I'll try to put some critics here and there

Regarding Blaziken, HJK is too risky in a meta where 3/4 of every mons run protect, baton pass is not really viable unless you are a moody Smeargle and even then it's not that consistent, there's lots of speed control in VGC and wasting 1-2 turn to only pass a +1 in speed is not a good idea.

One of Mega Charizard Y's main strenghts is in hitting hard as hell with sun boosted Heat Waves and Overheat too, with Solarbeam to round things up. Focus Miss is meh and dragon coverage is literally shite, the only reason you want to be using dragon moves is if you are a dragon and want to hit other dragons with your stab. Protect is pretty much mandatory in this guy because any Rock Slide will one-shot it, specially if you aren't running a bulky set, max speed timid isn't worth it nowadays.

There's so much wrong with that Rhyperiorat Rhyperior is terrible in many levels, starting from an ability that helps you with nothing, no protect when you have some nasty x4 weaknesses also see the dragon coverage part of Char. Eviolite Rhydon is bulkier at the cost of an item and slightly less damage.

cont.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 14:32:16 No.22404209 Report

Quoted By: >>22404220 >>22404251

>>22404033

Both of those spreads have the same overall bulk. However, your set does hit harder and faster.

I do enjoy the way you chose a different HP value to get the same bulk with more leftover EVs to use in SpA and Spe. Is there a certain way you created this spread, or a rule of thumb for defensive EV spreads like this to prevent me from investing too much into defenses again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 14:35:26 No.22404220 Report

Quoted By:

>>22404209
Go to showdown, set your Mon to level 50 and use the scroll bar. When the actual stat goes up by something you've found tthe most efficient amount

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 14:38:06 No.22404231 Report

Quoted By:

>>22404199

Venusaur
>shell bell
>amnesia
Just no, and you don't want to be using SolarBeam as your only grass stab when it can easily become a 2 turn move. Lacl of protect means that the bravest bird will always one shot you.

Gliscor doesn't offer anything that another ground type can't do better except being immune to Poison damage (not useful in dubs) and being immune to EQ.

Regular Manectric is meh, mega can put some work but it will be kind of difficult for it in 2015, HP Fire when you have access to Flamethrower is... not a good idea.

That's about it.

captcha: opMon
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 14:43:54 No.22404251 Report

Quoted By:

>>22404209
Unless your HP to Def/SpD ratio is something like Wailord's, investing in health first and then fiddling with your defenses to hit breakpoints usually frees up some EVs. As a rule of thumb, the higher a Pokemon's base defenses are, the more return you get for investing in HP.

First thing I did was notice that you originally went for 159HP to minimise weather damage. Since there was room, I decided to bump it up to 175HP, which is still 16n-1, but affords extra mixed bulk. From there, I just subtracted EVs from both defenses so that it could still tank the two attacks you described (Adamant MegaKhan's Double-Edge and Quiet Aegislash-Blade's Flash Cannon), and ended up with an extra 88 EVs to spread around. Since you hit quite light before, I put enough into SpA so that it reach a multiple of 11 (nature boost), and the last few went into Speed so that it can outspeed neutral 50s like Azumarill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jan 2015 16:26:21 No.22404755 Report

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What are the best spreads for Modest Sylveon, Quiet Aegislash and Bold Milotic? What can they survive, what can they outspeed?

Anonymous

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