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>>22458241
I'm not a Machamp fan, far from it, but I find it better than Conkeldurr.
The exposed veins gross me out so much, and the color scheme is pretty boring.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 02:03:27 No.22458306 Report

Quoted By: >>22458354

Hi, I make the majority of megas useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 02:07:44 No.22458354 Report

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>>22458306
>Hi, I make everyone useless
FTFY

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 02:08:27 No.22458360 Report

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>>22458149
conkeldurrs baller

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:00:12 No.22458875 Report

Quoted By: >>22459133

Hi, I make the majority of fairy pokemon useless

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:16:58 No.22458989 Report

Quoted By: >>22460155

WHEN YOU WANT TO SCREAM, PUT AWAY THAT FROWN
AND NEVER BE SCARED OF A CLOWN

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:21:07 No.22459013 Report

Quoted By: >>22459052

Hi, I make the majority of fighting pokemon useless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:21:19 No.22459018 Report

Quoted By: >>22459140

>>22458182
Except it doesn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:26:38 No.22459052 Report

Quoted By: >>22459058 >>22459091 >>22459128 >>22460058

>>22459013
are there any fighting pokemon that TF doesn't make useless, other than Lucario?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:27:29 No.22459058 Report

Quoted By: >>22459255

>>22459052
Terrakion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:31:50 No.22459091 Report

Quoted By: >>22459242

>>22459052
Excepr it does make lucario useless.... it knows flare blitz...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:35:35 No.22459128 Report

Quoted By: >>22459255 >>22459944

>>22459052
most of them. it's a check not a counter

hera, breloom and conk are all still good

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:36:02 No.22459133 Report

Quoted By: >>22459537

>>22458875
Mega Mawile is better.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:36:11 No.22459134 Report

Quoted By: >>22460041

Hi, I make everyone useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:36:36 No.22459140 Report

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>>22459018
Except it does, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:38:11 No.22459157 Report

Quoted By: >>22459285

>>22458149
>Conkelfag
>not based Mienshao

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:45:20 No.22459242 Report

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>>22459091
Not if Lucario gets an SD up on the switch:
>+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Lucario Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 291-343 (97.9 - 115.4%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

Also, 90% of Fighting types can learn a rock move. So Talon can't safety switch into their attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:46:34 No.22459255 Report

Quoted By: >>22460058

>>22459128
I meant how they fare 1-on-1.
>>22459058
Good answer
I'm not surprised but I had to check it Terrakion could ohko even with a burn
>252 Atk Life Orb burned Terrakion Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 562-663 (156.5 - 184.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:48:53 No.22459285 Report

Quoted By: >>22459324

>>22459157
>mienshao
>not useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:52:14 No.22459324 Report

Quoted By: >>22459364

>>22459285
>one of the top ten Pokemon used in UU
>one of the biggest threats in whole tier

Mienshao is far from useless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:56:20 No.22459364 Report

Quoted By: >>22459425 >>22459437

>>22459324
>implying UU matters

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:00:48 No.22459425 Report

Quoted By: >>22459500 >>22459973 >>22460056

>>22459364
>actually enjoying OU

UU is much more fun

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:01:41 No.22459437 Report

Quoted By: >>22459500 >>22459973

>>22459364
>playing in the clusterfuck that is OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:06:30 No.22459500 Report

Quoted By: >>22460017

>>22459425
>>22459437
UU is a much bigger clusterfuck, also reminder that your opinion on what gets banned is irelivent in UU since it is run completely by the council. At least in OU you can git gud and make your opinion heard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:09:30 No.22459537 Report

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>>22459133
How? Majority of fairies are special oriented than physical. And being a physical attacker on a specially oriented type doesn't make it any better if you'll get shut down by burns.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:32:31 No.22459755 Report

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>>22458241
you fucking what, mate? i respect conkeldurr's strength but don't for a god damned second even claim machamp is uglier than conkeldurr.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:35:27 No.22459779 Report

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>>22458149
Stupid Gen V min-maxing. Dynamic punch can still fuck you up, though

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:36:25 No.22459788 Report

Quoted By: >>22463817

>>22458226
>animal

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:37:27 No.22459795 Report

Quoted By: >>22459962

>>22458241
Hell yeah!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:43:56 No.22459863 Report

Quoted By:

>>22458241
>implying people actually abuse and harass their conkeldurr

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:48:10 No.22459909 Report

Quoted By:

>>22458149
I can't wait for gen VII to roll around and introduce the third 3-stage 505 BST pure fighting type trade evo line so conkeldurr can finally feel what it's like to have its thunder stolen

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:52:12 No.22459944 Report

Quoted By: >>22459974 >>22460064

>>22459128
>hera, breloom and conk are all still good
two of those have 4x weakness to bravest bird, anon. afaik only conk through sheer bulk, and lucario and terakion can outlast a brave bird due to secondary typing

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:54:19 No.22459962 Report

Quoted By:

>>22458241
>>22459795
The fuck did I ever do to you, assholes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:56:33 No.22459973 Report

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>>22459425
>>22459437
>Bringing that consolation prize tier up like it magically makes a pokemon not useless

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:56:36 No.22459974 Report

Quoted By: >>22460019 >>22460033

>>22459944
They're all OU so they must be doing something right

mega heracross is probably the best wallbreaker at the moment. Talonflame isn't a problem unless you suck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:58:24 No.22459987 Report

Quoted By:

>>22458182
Kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:02:53 No.22460017 Report

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>>22459500
>also reminder that your opinion on what gets banned is irelivent in UU since it is run completely by the council
And who fucking cares, the results are great. And the tier is always kept fresh from the rapid bans/unbans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:03:20 No.22460019 Report

Quoted By: >>22460044

>>22459974
>They're all OU so they must be doing something right
not against the talonflame. The question the anon was asking is specifically against a talonflame 1 on 1

>using common OU sets in showdown damage calculator

>Heracross
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Heracross: 1192-1408 (383.2 - 452.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>Mega-Heracross
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Mega Heracross: 832-984 (267.5 - 316.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>Breloom
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Breloom: 1128-1332 (432.1 - 510.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Breloom: 1132-1336 (349.3 - 412.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

And actually, I checked out mega lucario and not even the steel type helps

>Mega lucario
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Lucario: 522-614 (185.7 - 218.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Literally almost all fighting types get wrecked by BB.

Also, going by your logic, RU Cobalion withstands Brave Bird. What now, anon?

>Cobalion
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Cobalion: 187-222 (57.8 - 68.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:05:48 No.22460033 Report

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>>22459974
>They're all OU so they must be doing something right
The only difference between UU and OU is usage. UU mons are viable in OU if you know how to play them. UU mons ARE capable of knocking out OU mons for the same reason people not running legends or megas can still defeat megas and/or legends in OU

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:07:22 No.22460041 Report

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>>22459134
Obligatory

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:07:56 No.22460044 Report

Quoted By: >>22460058

>>22460019
>all those calcs
No shit they'd die you fucking moron. Who would put something up 1v1 against smogon bird?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:08:02 No.22460045 Report

Quoted By: >>22460074 >>22460322

>>22458149
The only fighting type it really outclasses is Machamp. Most of the others are just shitmons, but Conkeldurr is definitely not as good as:
>Keldeo
>Terrakion
>Mega Gallade
>Mega Heracross
>Mega Lopunny
>Mega Lucario
>Breloom
>Chesnaught
>Hawlucha even

Which are all, while they don't do the same thing (bulky tank, besides Chesnaught,) a lot more effective.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:10:31 No.22460056 Report

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>>22459425
In gen4

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:10:37 No.22460058 Report

Quoted By: >>22460091

>>22460044
>Who would put something up 1v1 against smogon bird?
Well the anon was asking for a 1 on 1 battle you illiterate fuck. That was the context of the discussion.

See >>22459052
>re there any fighting pokemon that TF doesn't make useless, other than Lucario?
>>22459255
>I meant how they fare 1-on-1.

If your only reason of saying they do good against Talonflame is because you switch them out then fuck all fighting types could just be switched out and "do good" against it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:11:19 No.22460064 Report

Quoted By: >>22460067

>>22459944
>they're weak to talonflame so they're bad kek
Fuck off

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:11:50 No.22460067 Report

Quoted By: >>22460078

>>22460064
another illiterate fuck

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:12:55 No.22460074 Report

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>>22460045
Being Machamp is suffering

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:13:31 No.22460078 Report

Quoted By: >>22460091

>>22460067
How exactly am I supposed to interpret:

>hera, breloom and conk are all still good
"two of those have 4x weakness to bravest bird, anon"

You quote an anon saying they're good and retort with "well they're weak to flying."

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:14:59 No.22460090 Report

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ITT: POKEMON HAVE WEAKNESSES

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:15:00 No.22460091 Report

Quoted By:

>>22460078
see >>22460058
ffs

I fucking understand that those three are viable and are capable of doing a lot more BUT the anon was fucking asking if there are actual fighting types who CAN survive a ONE ON ONE onslaught against talonflame

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:24:02 No.22460148 Report

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Now that it has Drain Punch, Chesnaught is honestly a lot better than Conkeldurr as a defensive pokemon. Leech Seed is a very valuable move and most balanced teams are going to make an effort to fit that on a team.

At the cost of Fire and Ice weaknesses (and bug neutrality and poison weakness, who cares, and it's immune to Sludge Bomb,) Chesnaught has Water, Ground, Grass, and Electric resistances which are all pretty valuable on a team (absolutely every balanced and most stall have a defensive grass for this reason,) as well as a secondary STAB that hits Fairies (esp. Azu, who checks Conk pretty well) and Psychics (esp. Slowbro.) It also gets Spikes.

Also everyone expects defensive sets so more offensive sets like Sub+3 attacks and SubSalac are pretty good and get a lot of switch-in opportunities, and lures Talonflame pretty hard with ROCKS. SubBD+Salac is also hilarious.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:25:02 No.22460155 Report

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>>22458989
When the whippoorwill
Whippoors in the wind
The wind can whippoor back
OH NICE AND CHUBBY BABY!!!!

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:38:53 No.22460259 Report

Quoted By: >>22460296

It's almost hard to believe Machamp was actually OU in Gen IV

he now no longer holds the highest attack stat among fighting types (tied with Breloom in gen III, outclassed by legends starting gen IV, and outright outclassed in gen V, then outclassed even more in gen VI by megas on top of machamp not having a mega himself)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:44:00 No.22460296 Report

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>>22460259
and people claim power creep is a myth

call it min maxing if you like, it's still pretty much effectively power creep

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:46:58 No.22460322 Report

Quoted By: >>22460368

>>22460045
Hawlucha is the shit, nobody knows how to fight that thing.
I actually use one as a late game sweeper in BO teams, I run Sitrus with Sub/SD and Dual STAB,
>Put a sub
>brings Greninja
>SD on the switch
>ES to break the sub
>Sub again
>Sitrus + Unburden
>Acrobatics
>Sweep with +2 Sanic burd/Ragequit
Pic related reks it tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:50:57 No.22460360 Report

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>>22458149
But you're a fucking shitmon. Good fighting types atm are lopp/gallade/keldeo. You do fuck all lmao. Hawlucha has a more effective role in the meta than conk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:52:09 No.22460368 Report

Quoted By: >>22460431

>>22460322
jolly sitrus sd dual stab lucha is the fucking shit, or at least it was. It can't rlly function vs gross ho

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:59:32 No.22460431 Report

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>>22460368
Mexican bird was a fucking nightmare in UU, SD Power Herb Sky Attack was a win button in Scarf EQ: the Tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 15:21:51 No.22463817 Report

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>>22459788
>insinuating humans aren't animals

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