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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:36:24 No.22459137 View View Reply Original Report

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>Solar Power

Why? What ability would have been better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:37:32 No.22459150 Report

Quoted By: >>22461859

>>22459137
Drought.
Sheer force.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:37:47 No.22459152 Report

Quoted By: >>22459509

A signature special intimidate

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:38:16 No.22459165 Report

Quoted By: >>22461859

Intimidate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:38:41 No.22459173 Report

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Drought would have made way more sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:39:27 No.22459181 Report

Quoted By: >>22459194

>>22459137
I won't call Gamefreak retarded for doing this, because I can see their train of thought (despite it being flawed), but it really does need something different.

M-Houndoom could be fucking phenomenal with a standard mega ability. Great typing, great stats, great movepool. It just kills itself if you try to utilize it's potential. Shit sucks.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:40:15 No.22459187 Report

Quoted By: >>22459227 >>22459351 >>22461859

>No Guard.

Welcome to Inferno

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:40:55 No.22459194 Report

Quoted By: >>22459235

>>22459181

Their train of thought was "give Drought to Charizard because we need to market it harder"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:41:34 No.22459203 Report

Quoted By: >>22459212 >>22459218

>>22459137
Intimidate or technician.
It also needs a redesign.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:42:45 No.22459212 Report

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>>22459203
>It also needs a redesign

No it doesn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:43:15 No.22459218 Report

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>>22459203

>technician

literally what

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:43:58 No.22459227 Report

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>>22459187
That would've been really cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:44:25 No.22459235 Report

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>>22459194
Houndoom would've been a top tier pokemon last generation. They simply underestimated how much the weather nerf would affect the metagame.

Adding more strong weather users was more than likely an attempt to keep weather a still useable option to not overnerf it, but lowering the amount of turns to 5 simply made it too situational. It's a pretty clear train of thought.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:45:19 No.22459243 Report

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>>22459137
I enjoy the Solar Power on Houndoom. Makes for nice variety with my team- Drought Ninetales.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:45:34 No.22459247 Report

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>>22459218
Snarl.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:47:08 No.22459264 Report

Quoted By: >>22459297

>>22459247
And what else, ember?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:47:21 No.22459266 Report

Quoted By: >>22459370

>>22459137
solar power is a pretty good ability for it.
op fire attacks in the sun

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:47:23 No.22459267 Report

Quoted By: >>22459277 >>22459297 >>22459632

>>22459247

It makes no sense thematically

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:48:16 No.22459275 Report

Quoted By: >>22459301

Desolate Land.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:48:21 No.22459277 Report

Quoted By: >>22459299

>>22459267
A ton of shit that they get makes no sense thematically. Not that I think it'd be good on Houndoom, but it not making sense isn't a good reason when that basically describes half of all pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:49:39 No.22459297 Report

Quoted By: >>22459321

>>22459264
Yeah, why not.

>>22459267
How does it make sense on Persian or Scyther?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:49:43 No.22459299 Report

Quoted By: >>22459356

>>22459277

Like who?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:49:44 No.22459301 Report

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>>22459275
This is where the fun ends

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:51:01 No.22459312 Report

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An ability that functions the same as huge/pure power but for special attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:51:30 No.22459321 Report

Quoted By: >>22459356 >>22459360

>>22459297

Because cats and mantises are precision hunters. Technician is put on Pokemon that use precise movements, such as hunters, fighters, dancers and mimes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:54:12 No.22459343 Report

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Inner Focus :^)

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:54:53 No.22459351 Report

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>>22459187
> Guard dog of hell
> No Guard?
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:55:21 No.22459356 Report

Quoted By: >>22459374 >>22459433 >>22459462 >>22459596 >>22459752 >>22461911

>>22459299
Adaptability Lucario, Insomnia Mewtwo, Skill Link Heracross, Magic Bounce Absol, Adaptability Beedrill, No Gaurd Pidgeot, Lightning Rod Sceptile.. none of these have a direct relation to their abilities name's, and only make sense if you stretch their meaning.

>>22459321
Roserade, Smeargle (also a dog, mind you), Mincinno and Ampibom do not fit the concept of "precision hunters".

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:55:52 No.22459360 Report

Quoted By: >>22459385

>>22459321
Explain to me how roses are precise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:56:57 No.22459370 Report

Quoted By: >>22459392

>>22459266
And it's useless when it's not sunny, USELESS.

Also, Houndoom doesn't have a lot of health anyway or even recovery move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:57:23 No.22459374 Report

Quoted By: >>22459411 >>22459481

>>22459356
Only Sceptile makes sense, because trees function as lightning rods.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:58:11 No.22459384 Report

Quoted By: >>22459424 >>22459539

Even fire absorb would've been better.

More than anything, though, it just needs weather to be buffed. Even if it kills itself, if weather can last for longer, it can still shred teams. Dark/Fire are really good STABs, since pretty much the only thing that resists both of them is Azumarill and Dialga. Venusaur would still arguably be more useful, but it could be the straight up sweeper.

Maybe just make it so weather called while holding the rocks makes it last for longer? Even 5 more turns would do wonders for M-Houndoom. That's more time to set up. M-Houndoom with 1 Nasty Plot and sun up is capable of 1-shotting anything not named Chansey or Blissey.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:58:20 No.22459385 Report

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>>22459360

it's a dancer you fuck, I even said it in the post

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:58:40 No.22459391 Report

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It should have a -2 Intimidate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:58:44 No.22459392 Report

Quoted By: >>22459441

>>22459370
if houndoom get Moonlight, would be better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 03:59:44 No.22459411 Report

Quoted By: >>22459446 >>22459453

>>22459374
>be the tallest thing in the area
>be labeled as a lighten rod

Are you retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:00:38 No.22459424 Report

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>>22459384

252 SpA Solar Power Mega Houndoom Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Azumarill in Sun: 192-228 (92.7 - 110.1%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:01:13 No.22459433 Report

Quoted By: >>22459481

>>22459356

roserade is a dancer

smeargle is a painter

ambipom is a six limbed monkey, it's dextrous and climbs branches

minccino is a precision "sweeper" as in literally a sweeper of dirt, it's obsessed with spotless cleaning

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:01:46 No.22459441 Report

Quoted By: >>22461563

>>22459392
Technically yes, but it wouldn't solve it's issue.

Solar Power's just way too risky of an ability to use. Takes way too much health away, on a pokemon that has a hard time switching anyways, and after switching is all said and done it'll only have about 3-4 turns of operation under optimistic circumstances.
To be truly effective you need those turns to be as fluid as possible. Anytime your foe switches in something to stop your Houndoom, that's 2 turns of setup gone. And that's not even considering the passive damage racking up, along with finding the right move to switch on.
It really is more trouble than it's worth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:02:03 No.22459446 Report

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>>22459411
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_strike#Trees_and_lightning

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:02:54 No.22459453 Report

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>>22459411

that doesn't change the fact that trees are indeed lightning rods. it doesn't have to be 100% scientifically accurate to make sense conceptually you autistic fuck.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:03:42 No.22459462 Report

Quoted By: >>22459492

>>22459356
But they all have very technical tendencies. Houndoom's Pokédex entry says some shit about his fire causing unending pain if I recall correctly

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:04:35 No.22459481 Report

Quoted By: >>22459502

>>22459433
You can justify anything by stretching it like that. By that astoundingly lose definition, just adding the concept of precision makes it relative to the skills of that pokemon. So simply by adding Technician as an ability, you can then classify it as a precision-based pokemon without needing precision as a prerequisite for it.

>>22459374
On second thought, you're probably right. Makes more sense from a conceptual level than it does a practical one, though.

That being said, before M-Sceptile existed, you know damn well all of /vp/ would call anyone suggestion Lightning rod an idiot.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:05:12 No.22459487 Report

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mega houndoom is cool

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:05:45 No.22459492 Report

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>>22459462
>he

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:06:33 No.22459502 Report

Quoted By: >>22459527 >>22459533

>>22459481

That's not stretching it at all, I said clearly that's it's about precision movements and all my examples fit that. How the fuck would you apply it to Houndoom?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:06:40 No.22459505 Report

Quoted By: >>22459522 >>22459560 >>22459568

Could Gamefreak realize they have no fucking idea of what they did and reboot two or three Mega abilities?

>Faggot Chicken maintains its already OP ability.
>Swampert gets an ability that improves its only bad stat, although it requires some support.
>Sceptile gets an immunity to a type it 4 times resists, although no Thunder Wave is cool. All while remaining underwhelmingly weak.

They already did it with Chandelure and Scolipede, so it's not that impossible if they acknowledge how they fucked up. I'd say Sharpedo's is also a downgrade, but that Crunch alone is pretty delicious. If it had kept Speed Boost, then it would need a huge boost to Attack to be worth a damn, and the one it got was only of 20, because it so much needs its defenses to be boosted.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:06:52 No.22459509 Report

Quoted By: >>22460034

>>22459137
Adaptability
Blaze
Competitive
Contrary (Overheat)
Filter
Flame Body
Flash Fire
Infiltrator
Intimidate
This >>22459152
Magic Guard
Moxie
Special version of Moxie
No Guard
Serene Grace
Shadow Tag
Sheer Force
Super Luck
Technician
A fire or dark version of Pixelate

Some are more useful than others (drought, no guard, and sheer force in particular)Though I find mostly anything better than Solar Power on such a frail pokemon. Pity my favorite pokemon gets such a shitty ability for it's mega evolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:07:06 No.22459511 Report

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Catch them all

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:08:18 No.22459522 Report

Quoted By: >>22459640

>>22459505

>complaining about sceptile's ability

Confirmed for knowing fuck all and being a 1k ranked shitter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:08:56 No.22459527 Report

Quoted By: >>22459575

>>22459502
Dobermanns are very intelligent, trainable, agile and physically strong animals.
They're even used as police dogs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:09:08 No.22459533 Report

Quoted By: >>22459575

>>22459502
>How the fuck would you apply it to Houndoom?

Dogs/wolves are not inherently sloppy creatures. If, hypothetically Houndoom got it, it's not difficult to imagine and therefore justify that the species "Houndoom" might be precise hunters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:09:37 No.22459539 Report

Quoted By: >>22459620

>>22459384
+2 252 SpA Solar Power Mega Houndoom Solar Beam vs. 92 HP / 0 SpD Azumarill in Sun: 996-1172 (273.6 - 321.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+2 252 SpA Solar Power Mega Houndoom Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey in Sun: 435-513 (67.7 - 79.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252 SpA Solar Power Mega Houndoom Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Palkia in Sun: 262-310 (68.4 - 80.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252 SpA Solar Power Mega Houndoom Dark Pulse vs. +1 252 HP / 4 SpD Slowbro in Sun: 662-782 (168 - 198.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+2 252 SpA Solar Power Mega Houndoom Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Salamence in Sun: 466-549 (140.3 - 165.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+2 252 SpA Solar Power Mega Houndoom Fire Blast vs. +2 252 HP / 252 SpD Sableye in Sun: 306-361 (100.6 - 118.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

So, if weather was buffed to be better, M-Houndoom could 2HKO Sp. Defensive Palkia, Chansey, and M-Sableye, and OHKO M-Slowbro AND M-Salamence, provided 1 turn of set up. There is NOTHING you can switch in on it. Your only option is to revenge kill it.

Either that, or there should be a Special DDance that raises speed and Sp. Atk by one stage each, making it an unstoppable force even still.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:11:30 No.22459560 Report

Quoted By: >>22459678

>>22459505
Steelix, Audino, Banette, Sableye all got more useless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:11:59 No.22459568 Report

Quoted By: >>22459738

>>22459505
Son, M-Sceptile is fucking awesome. It's a solid A- rank in OU, with it's ability being anti-meta as hell. It's fine.

I do hope they change some of the abilities, though. Blaziken especially. It's not good enough to justify use in Doubles, while its fucking insanely broken in Singles. It needs some heavy work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:12:17 No.22459575 Report

Quoted By: >>22459678

>>22459527
>>22459533

That doesn't mean they use precise movements, in fact dogs are pretty uncoordinated individually compared to other predators.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:13:33 No.22459596 Report

Quoted By: >>22459614 >>22459648 >>22459678 >>22461911

>>22459356
They do you retard. Lucario and Beedrill, after awakening to their inner abilities get a huge powerup, ALA Adaptablity, Mewtwo has become so smart he can't even sleep anymore cause of all his knowledge and brain power, so he's got Insomnia, Heracross uses his new mad robot skills for rapid fire, so skill link. Absol is like all magic and shit with his wings so magic bounce makes sense as a barrier or something. Pidgeot goes so hard it to attack it decides to drop defense for more attacking power, so no guard. And Sceptile is a fucking tree, so I don't need to explain it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:14:50 No.22459614 Report

Quoted By: >>22459736

>>22459596

>Mewtwo becomes so smart he can't even sleep anymore

No, he gets Insomnia because his power is awakened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:14:59 No.22459615 Report

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>>22459351
Houndoom isn't Cerberus,fuckwit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:15:23 No.22459620 Report

Quoted By: >>22459681

>>22459539
it doesn't get +2 on the first turn
and the sun might not be there

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:17:01 No.22459632 Report

Quoted By: >>22459647 >>22459677

>>22459267
Solar power sure as hell doesn't. It's dark type for God's sake

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:17:17 No.22459633 Report

Quoted By: >>22459857

>>22459351
nice smug anime face meme. Wait, shit!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:17:41 No.22459640 Report

Quoted By: >>22459661

>>22459522
>I have no argument so I'll call him a shitter!!! XD
Read what I posted, nigger. I'm saying a Thunderwave is cool and all, but it doesn't make up for it, specially when a lot of other things got actually useful boosting abilities. Its only way of not doing piss weak damage is to run Swords Dance, and for that, it has to use its considerably worse offensive stat.

I used to think it would be fun in VGC, but this year's VGC is so fucking cancerous it's not worth it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:17:58 No.22459647 Report

Quoted By: >>22459705

>>22459632

It's also a fire type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:18:25 No.22459648 Report

Quoted By: >>22459686 >>22459725 >>22461911

>>22459596
Adaptability is supposed to be an ability for pokemon that live in very hostile condition.
Crawdaunt and Feebas get it because they live in polluted swamps with low oxygen levels.
Basculin gets it because, just like the snakeheads, it's able to survive in very hostile conditions (that's why you can find it anywhere in Unova).
>Mewtwo has become so smart he can't even sleep anymore
That's stupid.
> Absol is like all magic and shit with his wings so magic bounce makes sense as a barrier or something
Please stop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:19:25 No.22459661 Report

Quoted By: >>22459700

>>22459640
>Its only way of not doing piss weak damage

You are dumb as shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:21:26 No.22459677 Report

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>>22459632
actually, makes sense because the sun powers up the fire type and hurt the dark type

but it is a shit ability anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:21:28 No.22459678 Report

Quoted By: >>22459716 >>22461911

>>22459560
>Sableye
>Useless

People still think this?

>>22459575
You're not understanding what I'm saying.
That definition of "precise" is so broad that it can apply to anything. We have no set records of how precise a Houndoom naturally is. If Gamefreak came out tomorrow saying "Hurrdy durrdy durr, we envision Houndoom as being extremely precise predators", that would be the end of it. There's nothing saying it IS or IS NOT, so to say that thematically Technician makes no sense is completely unsubstantiated. If it hypothetically got Technician you could then assume that it is, indeed, a precise creature as, like mentioned, there is no counter evidence to it. Therefore it's not un-thematic.

Remember these pokemon are their own species. They're BASED on real life animals, but they are not them. Otherwise a cincilla or a beagle would in no way be precise despite it's talents.

>>22459596
I like how you tried to prove me wrong by stretching the definitions like fucking crazy. You can literally just apply any of those defintions to anything.
>Mewtwo has become so smart he can't even sleep anymore
>M-Pikachu got so much energy so he can't even sleep anymore
>M-Raticate got so fast he can't even sleep anymore

Except for maybe Sceptile, I'll give you that.

Gamefreak is more concerned with performance than they are theming with Megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:21:57 No.22459681 Report

Quoted By: >>22459747

>>22459620
The point being that it if sun lasted longer, it could switch in at a more favorable time, say against a Bisharp, and set up. The one turn spent setting up Nasty Plot guarantees you'll destroy whatever switched in anyways. There's absolutely nothing you could throw at it to scare it away, since Solar Power will kill it faster than a Chansey can. It even shreds ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:22:55 No.22459686 Report

Quoted By: >>22459708 >>22459721

>>22459648

Adaptability can be applied to any pokemon because adaptation is what evolving and fighting is all about.

Magic Bounce on a magic pokemon is good enough. How does it make any sense on Xatu or Espeon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:24:22 No.22459693 Report

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>>22459137
Special Huge Power?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:25:15 No.22459700 Report

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>>22459661
Wow, you sure showed me with those hot opinions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:25:50 No.22459705 Report

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>>22459647
Yeah, but it's based on a hell hound. Aint no Sun in hell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:26:25 No.22459708 Report

Quoted By: >>22459810

>>22459686
Adaptability was originally supposed to be a reference to the environment where the pokemon lives.

Corphish:
"It came from overseas. It is a very hardy creature that will quickly proliferate, even in polluted streams."

Feebas:
"It is a shabby and ugly Pokémon. However, it is very hardy and can survive on little water."

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:27:20 No.22459716 Report

Quoted By: >>22461920

>>22459678

I fucking told you how it makes sense on those pokemon using real life concepts. They are not just a beagle and a chinchilla, they are a painter and an obsessive cleaner. Both of those involve precise hand-eye coordination.

Houndoom would be the only one that's thematically inconsistent. You are saying they can just force the concept when there are no examples of them doing that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:27:39 No.22459721 Report

Quoted By: >>22459729

>>22459686
Well, for one, they're both psychic. Before Magic Bounce was given to only 2 Psychic pokemon.

Something that people seem to not udnerstand is that Pokemon are malleable as hell. If they say that their normal-type cat can breath fire, then that normal cat can breath fuckin' fire. Whatever Gamefreak decides to add to a Pokemon's arsenal, then that's it.
So to say something's strictly thematic or non-thematic denies Gamefreak of their own artistic merit.

By the typical pedantic /vp/-goer's train of thought, a Pokemon must have to have a skill to be able to justify an ability being added. But that's not how Gamefreak works. If they add a move, or an ability, or whatever, then that pokemon has that ability, period. We see this shit time and time again.

Anyone would've said that Absol getting Magic Bounce would've made no god damn sense before. But it has it now, so the idea of what "Magic Bounce" is has no been morphed slightly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:28:19 No.22459725 Report

Quoted By: >>22459728 >>22459736 >>22461911

>>22459648
im pretty sure mewtwo has insomnia because of its experimentation
traumatized
why does it have pressure
becuase gamefreak thought that be a good ability for pokemon like mewtwo ho-oh and Lugia

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:28:51 No.22459728 Report

Quoted By: >>22459736 >>22459739 >>22461911

>>22459725
>im pretty sure mewtwo has insomnia because of its experimentation

Then why didn't it have it before?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:28:58 No.22459729 Report

Quoted By: >>22459752 >>22459778

>>22459721

You say that they don't care about concept yet haven't presented a single pokemon with an ability that's thematically inconsistent.

Nobody would have said magic bounce makes no sense because magic bounce can make sense on any pokemon with vaguely mystical properties, and absol fits the bill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:29:59 No.22459736 Report

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>>22459725
>>22459728

>>22459614

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:30:08 No.22459738 Report

Quoted By: >>22459749

>>22459568
>A- OU.
>A- in its own tier.
It's not shit, but it's not that good either. It still falls short to the likes of Manectric, Metagross and Lopunny, all of which have great abilities to help them out. Whereas the same can't be said about Gallade, but it has the right moves to abuse of its insane power, let alone since it has a boosting move for its attacking stat.

You can always have a mini nuke in Leaf Storm, but that's as far as it's going. On the good side, going mixed means you are not dead weight after it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:30:17 No.22459739 Report

Quoted By: >>22459773

>>22459728
It used to be the default ability for every legendary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:31:13 No.22459747 Report

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>>22459681
and that's the point
it needs the sun and nasty plot
too gimmick

it's like saying that most pokemon could sweep
ubers if had the chance to use use DDance
two or three times

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:31:26 No.22459749 Report

Quoted By: >>22459794

>>22459738

Just because it's not on par with fucking mega metagross doesn't mean it's shit. You are being an entitled baby whining because your mega isn't overpowered. Just be happy that it was propelled from the fucking depths of NU to A tier in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:32:07 No.22459752 Report

Quoted By: >>22459782

>>22459729
I did here: >>22459356

None of that shit (bar Sceptile) makes sense unless you stretch the defintion of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:34:56 No.22459773 Report

Quoted By: >>22459790

>>22459739
That's Pressure, poopdick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:35:25 No.22459778 Report

Quoted By: >>22459793

>>22459729
>implying Technician Breloom makes sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:36:18 No.22459782 Report

Quoted By: >>22459810

>>22459752

None of those abilities have a precise definition to stretch. How does skill link make sense on cloyster? How does magic bounce make sense on espeon? Technician on the other hand does have a consistent theme and on houndoom it would clearly be slapped on with no consideration for theme.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:36:32 No.22459790 Report

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>>22459773
Yeah sorry, that's what I meant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:37:20 No.22459793 Report

Quoted By: >>22459821

>>22459778

Breloom is a boxing kangaroo, boxing is all about technique.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:37:20 No.22459794 Report

Quoted By: >>22459809

>>22459749
>Disregarding the other megas I mentioned to say it's stupid to compare it to Metagross.
>Implying I called it shit.
You are trying to say it's good, I'm trying to say it's good. It doesn't mean the ability choice from Gamefreak was good, but again, the same can be said about Gallade. Unless you mean to tell me they picked it because they explicitly wanted something fast like that to not be able to be paralized by most means, instead of just picking it because muh theme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:38:18 No.22459807 Report

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I like to think that when solar power triggers, Houndoom drains the light from the surrounding area, making everything go dark before white-blue flames burst from the shadows. I daydream a lot where I work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:38:30 No.22459809 Report

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>>22459794

That's exactly why they picked it, it means it virtually cannot be crippled. And an immunity is never useless. Also it fucks over rotom w. It's a great ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:38:31 No.22459810 Report

Quoted By: >>22459835

>>22459782
Technician has a consistent theme.
See
>>22459708

Insomnia used to be a nocturnal mon exclusive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:38:32 No.22459811 Report

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> M Houndoom not a cereberus

Missed opportunity?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:40:00 No.22459821 Report

Quoted By: >>22459842

>>22459793
Almost every fighting type should get it then.
Breloom doesn't even look like a boxer

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:41:01 No.22459835 Report

Quoted By:

>>22459810
Oops, Adaptability, not Technician.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:41:52 No.22459842 Report

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>>22459821

A lot of fighting types just fight with brute force rather than technique, like conkeldurr and primeape. That said, technician would make sense on most of them, but that doesn't mean they should get it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:43:26 No.22459857 Report

Quoted By: >>22464842

>>22459633
>DP

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:45:04 No.22459874 Report

Quoted By: >>22459927

>>22459137
i think sheer force or drought wouldve been nice
it could deal with fairys

with sheer force strength in main stabs Dark pulse fire blast sludge bomb fairys on switch and nasty plot set up

or Drought fire blast every thing Solarbeam Azu

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:50:13 No.22459927 Report

Quoted By: >>22459956 >>22470457

>>22459874
Umm solar power isn't that bad... I can't believe people find abilities relevant to weather a bad thing...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 04:53:52 No.22459956 Report

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>>22459927
if solar power acted like life orb in the sun then yeah its be decent

but taking damage every turn "weather" or not you do a damaging move or not

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:05:48 No.22460034 Report

Quoted By: >>22461766

>>22459509
>Moxie
>on a special attacker

le pyroar face

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:10:22 No.22460055 Report

Quoted By:

>>22459137
Remove the eyes and put them on the Skull-Chest

And give him No Guard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 05:16:39 No.22460095 Report

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"Weather"
LOL, nice

Flamethrower boosted by sun, stab and solar sounds like a fair trade for 1/8 HP to me..

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 06:09:30 No.22460522 Report

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>>22459137
>Prankster Klefki/Houndoom lead
swept three teams with it in Showderp ten minutes ago with priority sun and solar power flamethrowers. Also survived a Rock Slide from Landorus-T. He's a fantastic glass cannon. Leading with him and a support mon can wreck people's shit pretty raw because no one expects him to be as good as he is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 06:27:59 No.22460629 Report

Quoted By:

>>22459137
Flash Fire
Drought
Intimidate
Competitive
Though Claws
Shadow Tag
Mold Breaker

Those are all decent abilities that are less situational than Solar Power on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 08:59:01 No.22461525 Report

Quoted By: >>22461563

>people thinking singles are the only way to play

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 09:04:42 No.22461563 Report

Quoted By: >>22461800

>>22461525
See
>>22459441

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 09:50:53 No.22461766 Report

Quoted By: >>22461778

>>22460034
It has base 95 Attack Sucker punch, Flare blitz etc.
If it had a form of recovery it could go mixed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 09:53:51 No.22461778 Report

Quoted By: >>22462054

>>22461766
moonlight make sense
but morning sun be more practile

why doesnt ninetales get morning sun....

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 09:58:10 No.22461800 Report

Quoted By: >>22469918

>>22461563
Yeah but so what? It's basically a built in Life Orb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 09:59:53 No.22461808 Report

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>>22459137
If i had to choose i'd say pure power since it has around the same base Atk as M-Medicham but gets Sucker punch, Pursuit, Knock off, Crunch, Flare blitz, Beat up, Flame charge, Thunder fang, Reversal, Counter.

You know you want it at least for the special set with Pure Power boosted Foul play when some idiot decides to bring out their special sweeper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 10:03:41 No.22461833 Report

Quoted By: >>22461888

The thing is, not only does it need a good ability, it needs an ability to give it Value over other megas. Hell, most abilities would be better. BUT, I think only Sheer Force would drag my favorite mon up from it's current spot in RU

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 10:07:51 No.22461859 Report

Quoted By:

>>22459165
>>22459150
>>22459187
These, plus Competitive.
Huge Power, Speed Boost and Wonderguard make everything good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 10:11:50 No.22461888 Report

Quoted By:

>>22461833
A -2 intimidate would be better and it would have made design sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 10:13:40 No.22461897 Report

Quoted By:

Victory Star might be cool as an alternative to no guard if Pidgeot has that boat

Soundproof would actually help it since Hyper Voice spam in doubles, where it thrives.

I like Dark Aura though. Fur coat would technically work too

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 10:15:36 No.22461911 Report

Quoted By:

>>22459596
>>22459356
>>22459648
>>22459725
>>22459728
>>22459678

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 10:17:18 No.22461920 Report

Quoted By:

>>22459716
Well, Houndoom and Mega Scizor. I agree completely that the Pokémon you mentioned deserve Technician and that it fits them thematically, but Mega Scizor does not look like it's precise or technical about anything with its giant lobster hands and stick feet. Scizor itself doesn't look like a precision fighter either, but it looks a lot less of a clumsy brute than M-Scizor.

I also agree that Houndoom should not get Technician by the way, because it absolutely wouldn't fit. A special Intimidate or maybe the ability to cause a new type of burn (severe burn, like harshly poisoned? Burn that lowers both SpA and Attack?) as per its Pokédex entry. Could be a 20 percent chance of causing it with any Fire moves it uses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 10:37:03 No.22462054 Report

Quoted By:

>>22461778
Too good in conjunction with Drought?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 17:01:55 No.22464645 Report

Quoted By: >>22464811

I would've given it Insomnia since it's like an improved version of Early Bird, something he already had.

If that's too crappy, I think Competitive or Multiscale (because of those big scaly things on his sides, and the primary boost from mega evolving was defense anyway) would be cool too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 17:24:21 No.22464811 Report

Quoted By:

>>22464645
Leaf guard, shed skin, or wonder skin would've been neat if we're going for the "upgrade early bird" angle.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 17:27:12 No.22464842 Report

Quoted By: >>22470421

>>22459857
>DBZ

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Jan 2015 23:27:22 No.22468515 Report

Quoted By: >>22470388

Why cant all megas have unique abilities to themselves only. Give it something like Back Draft, an improved version of flash fire that draws fire attacks to it and boosts its special attack as well when hit by one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 01:22:58 No.22469918 Report

Quoted By:

>>22461800
>so what it's only a mega with a life orb

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 01:39:26 No.22470092 Report

Quoted By:

>>22459137
dark Aura

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 02:08:00 No.22470388 Report

Quoted By: >>22471537

>>22468515
Signature abilities are bullshit.
Why give it to only one pokemon when others can use it effectively too?

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Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 02:11:33 No.22470421 Report

Quoted By: >>22470443

>>22464842
>CS

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Anonymouse Fri 09 Jan 2015 02:13:27 No.22470443 Report

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>>22470421
> Fresh Punk

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 02:14:30 No.22470457 Report

Quoted By:

>>22459927
The only weather abilities actually worth a damn are Swift Swim (because taking a Specs Hydro Pump from Rain is already hard enough from something that doesn't have 538 speed) and Sand Rush. Sand Force is at least workable. This is chiefly because Tyranitar is good and Politoed is passably decent (by being a water type.)

Sun is shit. Ninetales is shitty. I really hate to say it because I love it, but it's true. Y-zard is exclusive to Mega Houndoom of course and it's a terrible sun support (in singles) due to no Heat Rock.

Solar Power also has the unfortunate side effect of lowering health each turn. There is seriously no need for this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 02:14:32 No.22470458 Report

Quoted By:

>>22459351
shut up, clock

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 02:20:51 No.22470511 Report

Quoted By: >>22470525 >>22470530

>>22459137

>Why

Because the entire game is balanced around VGC so they expect you to bring someone with Drought alongside it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 02:22:47 No.22470525 Report

Quoted By: >>22470550 >>22470557

>>22470511

yea bring two fire types into doubles so your opponent can go to town with them EQ's and rockslides!

Fucking awesome synergy there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 02:23:34 No.22470530 Report

Quoted By: >>22470550 >>22470557

>>22470511
>Ninetales+Mega Houndoom
>two pokemon weak to Earthquake
>and Rock Slide
>in doubles
>at the same time
okay mate

Anonymouse

Anonymouse Fri 09 Jan 2015 02:26:22 No.22470550 Report

Quoted By: >>22470591

>>22470525
>>22470530
er, samefag or hiveminds?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 02:26:58 No.22470557 Report

Quoted By: >>22470591

>>22470525
>>22470530

Did I ever say Gamefreak is good at balancing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 02:28:29 No.22470573 Report

Quoted By:

>>22459137
I like Contrary, Tough Claws, No Guard and especially Dark-ilate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 02:30:05 No.22470591 Report

Quoted By:

>>22470550
>20:22:47
>20:23:34
I don't know, Watson

>>22470557
Well no, but it's still a poor excuse to give a mega a mediocre ability. Mega Audino got it even worse, it's hardly even viable in doubles. Even as a smogonfag I'm fine if they focus on their own format, but if they're going that route at least do it right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Jan 2015 04:07:44 No.22471537 Report

Quoted By:

>>22470388
I dont see why it would matter if other pokemon could use it effectively too. Its just about the one. And megas should be special in that way. Like the ace of a team.

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