>>22493613Gen 5 Vap worked because infinite rain. Rain stall is dead, the only way to run rain is fully offensive or bulky offensive at best. I was thinking vaporeon could act as a counterpart to Y-zard, a wallbreaker using weather as a boost. It'd get a good increase to SpA and then small increases in other stats. It could be OP though cause unlike Y-zard it has a ton of natural bulk, sneaky pebbles neutrality and a relatively good defensive typing. It doesn't have much in the way of coverage though, so it'd probably end up something like Mega Slowbro who's a defensive juggernaut that's no sitting duck.
I wasn't sure on Espeon cause Magic Bounce is good, it just can't really use it outside of lel baton pass.
Hail swift swim would be good in theory, but the problem with any weather abilities that don't rely on Sand or Rain is that Ninetales and Abomasnow are so fucking shitty. Hail and Ice in general just need a complete rework.
