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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 15:33:36 No.22486006 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22486013 >>22486051 >>22486102 >>22486154 >>22486877 >>22487288 >>22487290 >>22487333 >>22487743

Mega Lopunny will be shit, /vp/ said.
Mega Metagross will be shit, /vp/ said.
Mega Sableye will be shit, /vp/ said.

How is it possible for /vp/ to be this wrong?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 15:34:50 No.22486013 Report

Quoted By: >>22486068 >>22486091 >>22486473

>>22486006
remember when they said Mega Glalie will be OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 15:35:12 No.22486021 Report

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/vp/ is wrong about a lot of things, you should know this by now, or are you new?

Stop making these threads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 15:36:17 No.22486037 Report

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why are people still surprised? this board is full of kids from /v/ who don't know jack shit about competitive

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 15:37:15 No.22486051 Report

Quoted By: >>22486094

>>22486006
tfw I was just about to make this same exact thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 15:38:46 No.22486068 Report

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>>22486013
Thats wrong though. People knew it was going to be shit when they realized its only good as a suicide bomb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 15:39:56 No.22486082 Report

Quoted By: >>22486443

>mega slut bunny in S
fucking hell, now every shitter is going to run that fucking Fake Out set when it's not even good and probably one of its worst sets

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 15:40:38 No.22486091 Report

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>>22486013

Are you retarded? Everyone said it would be shit because its ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 15:40:44 No.22486094 Report

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>>22486051
Congratz you're a bigger faggot than OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 15:41:22 No.22486102 Report

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>>22486006
Holy FUCKING SHIT I knew Mega Slutbunny would be good, but not S-Rank good. Best waifu

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 15:50:16 No.22486154 Report

Quoted By: >>22486206

>>22486006
nobody said mega lopunny will be shit anon, not many people just expected it to reach OU

mega metagross only got some flak from retards after the games were released, not before, so it doesn't really count

agreed on mega sableye though, the "no prankster" hysteria was both hilarious and sad to look at shame it turned out to be not very relevant in the metagame I usually play

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 15:56:25 No.22486206 Report

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>>22486154
>Mega Metagross got shit on AFTER release

That's even fuckin worse

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 15:58:49 No.22486214 Report

Quoted By: >>22486246

>Mega Sableye S rank
This is the one that retards really didn't expect

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:02:38 No.22486246 Report

Quoted By: >>22486258 >>22486279

>>22486214
no one thought that prankster would still take effect on turn of mega evo
im running taunt M dos and a Dragon tail user

clefable loppuny best counter/check maybe evenCofagrigus

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:03:40 No.22486258 Report

Quoted By: >>22486330

>>22486246
>no one thought that prankster would still take effect on turn of mega evo
er, we knew it worked that way since XY

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:07:30 No.22486279 Report

Quoted By: >>22486330

>>22486246
>no one thought that prankster would still take effect on turn of mega evo
Only idiots didn't know that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:09:05 No.22486293 Report

Quoted By: >>22486321 >>22486330 >>22486359 >>22486396

so why is lopunny considered that good again? it's attack stat isn't that great and it can't afford to run +atk nature, having no chance of getting past bulkier mons like hippo, slowbro, etc
does it shit on offense or something? because I'm never scared of it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:09:16 No.22486294 Report

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vp doesn't know shit about competitive, you should know this by now. Honestly though nothing you read here will be worth while.
vp is one of the stupidedst boards and you shouldn't trust anything you read here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:12:51 No.22486321 Report

Quoted By: >>22486355

>>22486293
Its speed really does let it shit on offense, yeah. And its STAB Combination with Scrappy is superb.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:14:00 No.22486330 Report

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>>22486293
Perfect neutral coverage

>>22486258
>>22486279
Pardon its very late i knew bannette prankster didnt go threw till next turn probably shouldve figured that sableye would've

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:17:51 No.22486355 Report

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>>22486321
This and with the combination of Sub/Encore Sub/PuP, PuP/Encore, or an other combination of it's many support moves, it can easily get by set up sweepers and set up itself. Also, it is VERY easy to put on any team and tailor it to your team's needs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:18:26 No.22486359 Report

Quoted By: >>22486370 >>22486386 >>22486418 >>22486425

>>22486293
>136 base attack
>"isn't that great"

What has the power creep done to this game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:19:24 No.22486370 Report

Quoted By: >>22486398

>>22486359
Power standards for megas are different to the standard for regular mons

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:20:35 No.22486386 Report

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>>22486359
Although he's wrong about it not being good, it isn't as impressive as it looks. No access to a boosting item lowers that quite a bit.

In reality that stat looks more like 110. Still not bad especially considering perfect neutral coverage, but it's not a result of the power creep.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:21:44 No.22486396 Report

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>>22486293
STAB unresisted Return + High Jump Kick hits like a bitch, and it's got tons of coverage and support options too. Throw in the fact that it's the 12th fastest Pokemon of all, and you've got something that rapes teams which doesn't have something to take care of it.

...shit, this is sounding like a future suspect

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:22:02 No.22486398 Report

Quoted By: >>22486440 >>22486453

>>22486370
Yeah, but you can't assume your mega will ALWAYS be facing another mega, since you can only have one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:23:41 No.22486418 Report

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>>22486359
It's true, other megas either have a super high base stat and/or an ability that boosts it considerably.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:24:09 No.22486425 Report

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>>22486359
Most Pokemon with even 100 base attack and a life orb far surpass that already.
Megas can't hold items. If their abilities don't buff their stats or damage output, their stats are far worse than they appear.

Max Jolly Lopunny is 334 attack
Audino (non mega) with a choice band hits 360 attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:26:04 No.22486433 Report

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mega lopunny can sweep teams with prior damage, best used on balance teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:27:06 No.22486440 Report

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>>22486398
That's not even slightly the point.

Mega heracross, that thing with the second highest attack in the game, only 5 less than Mega Mewtwo X, has less attack than regular burned guts heracross.
Items and abilities make a huge fucking difference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:27:12 No.22486443 Report

Quoted By: >>22487107

>>22486082
Found the guy who got his ass kicked because of Fake Out Lopunny.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:27:55 No.22486448 Report

Quoted By: >>22486949

>LISTING TO /VP/
>EVER
these faggots are sub -1100 elp who know nothing about competitive

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:28:12 No.22486453 Report

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>>22486398
>but you can't assume your mega will ALWAYS be facing another mega
That's now how comparisons and standards work

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:28:31 No.22486455 Report

Quoted By: >>22487247 >>22487259

Finally hatched my pentaperfect jolly buneary !
Best this is it's male

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:29:32 No.22486463 Report

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Best thing is*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:29:56 No.22486468 Report

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M-Lopunny's selling point isn't its attack power (even if it isn't really too bad), but its two free move slots and giant support movepool. The only two moves which are really required are Return + Fighting STAB. MLop having base 135 speed and hitting as hard as Excadrill is just the cherry on top.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:30:51 No.22486473 Report

Quoted By: >>22486477

>>22486013
Nobody said that. What they said was that Refrigerate Explosion will be extremely powerful, which it is, but you can obviously only use it once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:32:09 No.22486477 Report

Quoted By: >>22486848

>>22486473
>not using a focus sash on your M-glalie
Lmao scrub

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:32:48 No.22486479 Report

Quoted By: >>22486505 >>22486515

It actually does really make you wonder about the over reliance on base stats as a pokemon's determining factors rather than actual damage output and finalized stats.

People still think mega Mawile only has 200 base attack and not something closer to 258

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:37:57 No.22486505 Report

Quoted By: >>22486524

>>22486479
Would things be better if stat multipliers affected base stats instead?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:39:21 No.22486515 Report

Quoted By: >>22486522

>>22486479
What do you mean ? Doesn't huge power just apply x2 to attack ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:40:29 No.22486522 Report

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>>22486515
Nevermind, I got it. It's because huge power multiplies the bonus from nature, IV and EV.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 16:40:36 No.22486524 Report

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>>22486505
Things would be worse really.

I mean it would help stop power creep but it wouldn't really solve the problem, you'd just not be multiplying EVs, IVs and Natures, which sort of takes away a lot of viability on some things while just improving things like max defenses Mega Mawile or making eviolite Chansey useless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 17:23:00 No.22486848 Report

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>>22486477
Dude, eviolite mega slower totally walls it and slowbro will just rek up hole teem!
Git gud, nerd B^}

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 17:25:56 No.22486877 Report

Quoted By: >>22487335

>>22486006
/vp/ has the same people who think zinnia is a bad character
come on

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 17:26:18 No.22486880 Report

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Mega Lopunny's "not that great" attack is compensated a ton by having really high BP STABs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 17:34:08 No.22486949 Report

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>>22486448
It's possible to know a LOT about competitive and not have a high rank. Hell, you can know a lot about competitive and not even play Showdown or even abide Smogon verdicts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:00:42 No.22487107 Report

Quoted By: >>22487166

>>22486443
>Getting my ass kicked
>by fake out lopunny

If you really want M-MUH PRESHUS CHIP DAMAGE, use Quick Attack, it's literally the same thing and not a waste of a moveslot after turn1, you still outspeed pretty much everything relevant

But no, shitters need MUH SPEED BOOST so use a shitty move when it's much easier and better to abuse something like Substitute

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:10:10 No.22487166 Report

Quoted By: >>22487175 >>22487213

>>22487107
>it's literally the same thing
Except you don't get the flinch and you end up getting destroyed by a counter attack afterwards, making Quick Attack a shitty alternative for muh precious chip damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:12:04 No.22487175 Report

Quoted By: >>22487197

>>22487166
>not using King's Rock Mega Lopunny

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:15:06 No.22487197 Report

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>>22487175
>King's Rock Mega Lopunny

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:17:54 No.22487213 Report

Quoted By: >>22487228 >>22487268

>>22487166
>The flinch
what exactly do you NEED to flinch?

Stop trying to justify Fake Out Lopunny when it's a shit tier move choice

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:20:32 No.22487228 Report

Quoted By: >>22487278 >>22487447

>Mega Gallade will be shit because it has Inner Focus
>it will be shit because it stats will be mirrored to Gardevoirs and doesn't become part fairy
>>22487213
The point of it is that its free damage on the first turn where the opponent can't do shit, unless its against yours truly here. Quick attack might be okay if you're in battle for a while to pick off but it shouldn't be prioritized.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:23:25 No.22487247 Report

Quoted By: >>22487259

>>22486455
welcome to the fold

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:25:00 No.22487259 Report

Quoted By: >>22487292

>>22486455
>>22487247
isn't there a giveaway for one? is it you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:25:34 No.22487268 Report

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>>22487213
For muh precious chip damage you asswipe

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:26:34 No.22487278 Report

Quoted By: >>22487329

>>22487228
>tfw it dropped to A rank from A+ tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:27:51 No.22487288 Report

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>>22486006
But Mega Sableye is shit...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:28:34 No.22487290 Report

Quoted By: >>22487326

>>22486006
Because /vp/ is full of a bunch of people who know nothing about competitive.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:28:43 No.22487292 Report

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>>22487259
There might have been, but it wasn't me. Also I got this one (as a buneary) from WT, so. Yeah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:32:54 No.22487326 Report

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>>22487290
>every Pokémon community ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:32:58 No.22487329 Report

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>>22487278
A rank isn't terrible though, especially since its more or less an ability-less mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:33:24 No.22487333 Report

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>>22486006
I'm glad I had good reason to be scared of them since the demo was datamined and the stats were found. And I'm glad that the fake out set for cardio bunny is shit compared to everything else it has.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:33:32 No.22487335 Report

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>>22486877
Zinnia is an awful character. It doesn't need to be argued.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:41:19 No.22487391 Report

Quoted By: >>22487421

We really need to get out of this /vp/ is one person mindset.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:44:12 No.22487421 Report

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>>22487391
Its already established /vp/ is basically two underage arguing back and forth.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:47:27 No.22487442 Report

Quoted By: >>22487682

>Mega lop is S rank
My dream of liking a pokemon that isn't shit is finally fulfilled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 18:47:53 No.22487447 Report

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>>22487228
>The point of it is that its free damage on the first turn where the opponent can't do shit

Which is a fucking waste as it uses an entire moveslot when you could be using better sets like SubPup or SubPass or HB+Drain Punch

Mega Medicham needs the Fake Out as it needs the speed boost, while Lopunny doesn't need it, at all.

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 19:04:12 No.22487592 Report

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>M-Mega Slowbro w-will be shit! M-muh regenerator!

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Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 19:18:51 No.22487682 Report

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>>22487442
it looks like shit though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Jan 2015 19:25:59 No.22487743 Report

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>>22486006
People said Megagross was shit after the game release because it was shit compared to Mega Salamence

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