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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 07:48:36 No.22506397 View View Reply Original Report

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Which of the three playstyles requires the most skill? Which requires the least?

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 07:50:46 No.22506406 Report

Quoted By: >>22507038

It's a game for kids. If you want a challenge then go lift weights and start fights in bars you pussy.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 07:50:52 No.22506407 Report

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>>22506397
>Which requires the least?
stall

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 07:56:08 No.22506426 Report

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>>22506397
Hyper Offense, literally press strong move to win: the strategy.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 08:09:38 No.22506473 Report

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all
none

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 08:14:31 No.22506488 Report

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>>22506397
Stall requires experience from the user, see through every possibility and take the right path.
HO is also the same, you only need to learn what to sack and when.
Balance or Bulky offence gives you a margin of error. Losing a wall or a sweeper doesnt spell doom but autoloses to stall if you don't a have a wallbreaker or a plan and gets shit on by HO if lose your sweepers.
Stall is gay, HO is OK and Balance is the best.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 08:16:57 No.22506499 Report

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I would rather be swept by a powerful HO team than spend thirty minutes getting whittled away be a Stalling fag. HO and Balance are best.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 08:28:12 No.22506544 Report

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Full on offense requires the most, as you dont have room for error. Stall requires the least, and its why you see so many stall teams in higher elo

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 08:29:17 No.22506551 Report

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Troll teams are the best.
Cheap roles and situational gimmicks that magically pay off in the end are always great to see triumph over purpose built teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 08:31:14 No.22506558 Report

Quoted By: >>22506571 >>22506574

>requires the most skill
against an actually good opponent, stall because its very easy to counter and will require lots of prediction and mind games to be successful
>requires the least
hyper offense is literally STAB spam and basically every 10 year old child's team. It requires little thought and rewards the use of brain dead pokemon like Talonflame, Thundurus, Landorus, Greninja, etc.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 08:37:13 No.22506571 Report

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>>22506558
Now this is a load of shit.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 08:38:49 No.22506574 Report

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>>22506558
Below 1200 player spotted

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 08:57:49 No.22506638 Report

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Trick room balance

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 09:13:12 No.22506696 Report

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>least
stall
>most
offensive

takes a lot of skill to have a purely offensive team and win. Stall you literally just pick a stall strat from smogon and play it out until your opponent gets bored and leaves.

you'll note that the majority of vgc finalists use purely offensive teams.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 09:36:55 No.22506804 Report

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>pokemon
>skill

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 09:54:38 No.22506847 Report

Quoted By: >>22506888 >>22506908

Pokemon, like most games of limited movement or action, such as card games or other turn based games, don't have high-skilled players or good players, there are only bad players.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 09:57:51 No.22506873 Report

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>>22506571
>>22506574
Not the same dude you guys were replying yo bu Aggro strategies are considered babby first approach in pretty much any kind of game.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 10:00:19 No.22506886 Report

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>>22506873
I agree with you, but as far as the original question is considered, skill required to be successful with HO is pretty high compared to balanced/bulky offense, even if the approach is often taken by low skilled players and noobs

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 10:01:25 No.22506888 Report

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>>22506847

That's because there's no real skill involved in Pokemon besides knowing what moves are the best in a given situation, which is something you inevitably simply learn after playing for a while.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 10:02:56 No.22506898 Report

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>>22506873
>Goal is to knock out the opponents Pokémon
>Do that by attacking them
It's not the noob tactic, it's the natural tactic. And possibly the way it was intended to be in the first place.
Stall is the same result only slower.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 10:05:50 No.22506908 Report

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>>22506847
>don't have high-skilled players or good players
So then how did players like Sejun Park consistently dominate the whole year and end up winning the world championship as well?

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 10:06:47 No.22506910 Report

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>>22506908
By having no real lives, duh.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 10:12:26 No.22506929 Report

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As far as skill goes,
Stall>HO>Balance

Stall is highest because in the teambuilding phase, you have to consider nearly every possible threat, from setup sweepers to wallbreakers and other stall teams, and make sure you have as close to 0 holes as possible. Then, in the execution of your strategy, you have to not only outpredict your opponent at every single turn or face significantly more devastating results, you have to be able to not choke ONCE for at least 50 turns, very often 70+. Losing one mon on stall is like losing two on any other team.

Followed by this is HO, because you have to be absolutely sure you can OHKO 90% of the meta, and 2hko everything else. You absolutely have to know what is a sure thing, what is a roll, and what is a time to switch. And you have to make every single turn count because HO will never when the grind game. If they put up rocks, t-wave anyone, burn your physicals, or outpredict your switch once, or if you roll low and they OHKO you back, you are at a severely greater disadvantage than if you were running balance/bulky offense.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 10:13:33 No.22506935 Report

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>turn-based game
>skill

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 10:24:12 No.22506967 Report

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>>22506397
They require different types of skill.

Offense requires in-game skill; you have to consistently make good plays because fucking up carries a very heavy price when your team can't really take a hit that well. You can and will win/lose games on a single prediction.

Stall requires teambuilding skill; if you build your stall team well it's braindead auto-pilot for 150 turns, but if you didn't build well you're gonna be under extreme pressure all game and probably gonna lose.

Balance is generally a pretty boring way to play, and I'd honestly say it requires the least skill. It's like HO except you can afford to make mediocre plays.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 10:24:13 No.22506968 Report

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>>22506935
good thing I'm good at shooters

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buttscab !MO1N7yG1dw Mon 12 Jan 2015 10:24:43 No.22506970 Report

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>>22506397
I don't know to be honest. Stall is a specific playstyle that's unique to singles due to how it cannot be executed at all in the official format (VGC) so I feel it's endearing and so is hyper offense for the same reason, it's specific to singles.

So to summarize, balance is probably the playstyle that most players go with and the simplest, as most will find themselves comfortable with using a mix of bulk and power without needing to go deep into the specifics.

Stall and hyper offense are more specific and demand in depth knowledge of the singles metagame for teambuilding and predictions, so I'd say those two are about the same.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 10:37:18 No.22507038 Report

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>>22506406
>Physical strength
>Challenge
You are joking right?

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 10:47:14 No.22507070 Report

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>>22507038
Challenge your strength against that of others. If you have the balls that is.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 12:19:53 No.22507370 Report

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>>22506397
Least - Hyper Offence

Most - Balance

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 12:21:01 No.22507372 Report

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I play hyper defense and i love it.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 12:23:40 No.22507383 Report

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>>22507038
>responding to bait

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 12:43:28 No.22507442 Report

Quoted By: >>22507562 >>22507725 >>22507877

Balance for first, not only do you have to actually know how to build a proper team with a decent core but also what pokemon could easily switch in and help take out said threats should they exist on the opponents team and having them co-ordinate respectively.

Hyper Offense is about knowing when you set up/attack and what move to use in any given situation. Essentially the prediction game is high risk, high reward and can easily apply pressure in to an opponent in the game to see if the opponent overpredicted and gave them a safe switch in or lose a mon.

Stall is basically hazards and Toxic + protect + recovery over and over, really not much strategy in that and rely on lengthening a game longer than needed and wanting the opponent to leave in order to win because they lack actual battling skill.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 13:13:03 No.22507562 Report

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>>22507442
pretty much this

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 14:00:32 No.22507725 Report

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>>22507442
I agree

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 14:11:17 No.22507764 Report

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There's a fourth style that's completely reactionary, but I guess its not common enough to list there.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 14:40:41 No.22507877 Report

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>>22507442
1100 elo scrub detected

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 14:51:52 No.22507917 Report

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>>22507764
What's it called? Knee Jerking?

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 14:55:17 No.22507935 Report

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>>22506397
I hate pure stall. I think I've dodged 3 out of the 5 games I saw a Sylveon in today.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 14:57:34 No.22507948 Report

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>>22507877
>needing showdown rankings to mention your opinion
Whatever you say faggot. It was a case of skill and I said my bit, Stall is basically the lowest risk style of the three and your main goal is to just sponge hits and recover while your opponent is taking residual. If it was team building then maybe it would be different, but this is skill an most you get out of it is switching.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 14:58:00 No.22507950 Report

Quoted By: >>22507983

>pokemon
>skill

Pokemon requires knowledge. Anyone can C&P a winning team and get enough practice to know what to do.

Skill would be learning an instrument or being good at a trade.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 14:59:06 No.22507953 Report

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>>22507935
Fuck anyone and everyone using that fairy spamming piece of shit.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 14:59:26 No.22507954 Report

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>>22506426
Have fun getting predicted, walled and oneshotted by everyone.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 15:00:48 No.22507961 Report

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>>22507877
But he's right, you god damn scrub.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 15:05:44 No.22507983 Report

Quoted By: >>22508074

>>22507950
knowl·edge
/näləj/

noun
noun: knowledge; plural noun: knowledges
1. facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.
"a thirst for knowledge"
synonyms: understanding, comprehension, grasp, command, mastery; expertise, skill, proficiency, expertness, accomplishment, adeptness, capacity, capability; INFORMAL know-how
antonyms: ignorance, illiteracy
-what is known in a particular field or in total; facts and information.
"the transmission of knowledge"
-PHILOSOPHY
true, justified belief; certain understanding, as opposed to opinion.

2. awareness or familiarity gained by experience of a fact or situation.
"the program had been developed without his knowledge"
synonyms: awareness, consciousness, realization, cognition, apprehension, perception, appreciation; FORMAL cognizance
"he slipped away without my knowledge"
antonyms: unawareness

skill
/skil/

noun
noun: skill
the ability to do something well; expertise.
"difficult work, taking great skill"
synonyms: expertise, skillfulness, expertness, adeptness, adroitness, deftness, dexterity, ability, prowess, mastery, competence, capability, aptitude, artistry, virtuosity, talent
"his skill as a politician"
antonyms: incompetence
-a particular ability.
plural noun: skills
"the basic skills of cooking"
synonyms: ability, strength, gift; skill set
"parenting was his greatest skill"

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 15:23:33 No.22508074 Report

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>>22507983
thanks for proving me right, faggot

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 15:25:06 No.22508081 Report

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>>22508074
>the definition for knowledge literally has skill in it

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 16:15:19 No.22508325 Report

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>>22507877
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Anonymous Mon 12 Jan 2015 16:28:24 No.22508415 Report

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>>22507877
Stallfag pls go

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