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Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 03:31:03 No.22514549 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22515498 >>22516288 >>22516588 >>22519915 >>22520544 >>22531257

Resources:

>Sites
nuggetbridge.com
eggyemporium.com (Wolfe Glick and Markus Stadter's VGC blog)
http://www.oldmanvgc.com/ (jap meta site, has English translations)

>YouTube channels
http://pastebin.com/kKEpQSUN (embed) (embed) (embed)
http://nuggetbridge.com/forums/topic/8765-pokemon-vgc-youtube-resources/

>Helpful links and articles
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/an-early-vgc-2015-metagame-overview/
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/vgc-15-pokemon-speed-tiers/
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/flawless-bust-catch-perfect-legendary-pokemon-omega-ruby-alpha-sapphire/
http://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/battle/oras/#double (usage stats and recommendations)
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/defend-yourself-with-a-question/ (how to stop playing like a fag)
https://gamut-was-taken.github.io/ (ORAS damage calc)

Old Thread: >>22492019

ToTT: what's your favorite Follow Me/Rage Powder user?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 04:39:09 No.22515249 Report

Quoted By: >>22515908

>changing from the regular image

favorite rage powder user is amoonguss

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 04:39:09 No.22515250 Report

Quoted By: >>22515391

Alright this is my team, and I really enjoy it:

Talonflame @ Life Orb
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Protect
- Tailwind

Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Superpower
- U-turn

Cresselia (F) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 216 HP / 160 Def / 96 SpA / 36 SpD
Bold Nature
- Icy Wind
- Psychic
- Energy Ball
- Thunder Wave

Milotic @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Competitive
EVs: 252 HP / 214 Def / 42 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 30 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Ice Beam
- Scald
- Icy Wind
- Protect

Kangaskhan (F) @ Kangaskhanite
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Double-Edge
- Fake Out
- Low Kick
- Sucker Punch

Sylveon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 112 HP / 116 Def / 252 SpA / 28 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Psyshock

without going into too much detail about the sets and what each mon aims to do, i'm just looking for any criticism and advice on how to take out my biggest enemies, aka Venusaur/Charizard, Metagross, Amoongus and Aegislash. Some part of me is thinking adding Arcanine to this bitch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 04:40:58 No.22515270 Report

Quoted By: >>22515276 >>22515391

Talonflame @ Life Orb
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Protect
- Tailwind

Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Superpower
- U-turn

Cresselia (F) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 216 HP / 160 Def / 96 SpA / 36 SpD
Bold Nature
- Icy Wind
- Psychic
- Energy Ball
- Thunder Wave

Milotic @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Competitive
EVs: 252 HP / 214 Def / 42 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 30 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Ice Beam
- Scald
- Icy Wind
- Protect

Kangaskhan (F) @ Kangaskhanite
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Double-Edge
- Fake Out
- Low Kick
- Sucker Punch

Sylveon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 112 HP / 116 Def / 252 SpA / 28 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Psyshock

How do I better deal with Metagross, Venusaur/Charizard and Amoongus or Aegislash? Any advice would be great. And Togekiss for Follow Me, hands down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 04:42:10 No.22515276 Report

Quoted By: >>22517927

>>22515270
gotta love double posting and same fagging. there goes my chance to get good criticism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 04:50:12 No.22515391 Report

Quoted By:

>>22515250
>>22515270
PLEASE USE PASTEBIN NEXT TIME

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 05:01:47 No.22515498 Report

Quoted By: >>22516526 >>22517954

>>22514549
so I'm running trick room doubles and I think I'm going to start carrying 2 megas. That's not uncommon right? Do you think mega camerupt and mega abomasnow make a good combo? Naturally I would be using camerupt as my main but a grass/ice type could prove handy in some situations, especially if I run into any rain teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 05:11:56 No.22515611 Report

Quoted By: >>22515678

http://pastebin.com/8bYhmJ1e
Please take a look at the team I plan to make.
As you can see, it's meant to perpetuate the move Round for Mega Glalie and Sylveon.
But I ccould use some advice on it.
I'm on the fence about heal bell on Sylveon, and I'm thinking of taking off one of Sylveon's attacks for heal bell. Also thinking of replacing Noivern for something that could... well, do more work. Any advice?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 05:18:42 No.22515678 Report

Quoted By:

>>22515611
jolteon is bad
round is a bad move, and really gimmicky
glalie is not only a bad pokemon, but it's also a waste of a mega slot
noivern can be ok, but using hurricane over air slash off of rain is a bad idea
blaziken is terrible
scrafty should run more attack investment if you actually want it to be more than dead weight
your team is pretty gimmicky and not great tbh

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 05:42:07 No.22515908 Report

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>>22515249
>wanting the "series" or "discussion" thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 06:25:38 No.22516288 Report

Quoted By: >>22516337

>>22514549
>ToTT: what's your favorite Follow Me/Rage Powder user?
Currently liking it on my Sash Smeargle; great to Dark Void then tank 1 or 2 hits with Follow Me while on 1%

Question about transform: Does transforming copy the target's stats, including EVs and IVs? I know it copies abilities and movesets, but

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 06:33:17 No.22516337 Report

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>>22516288
It copies the exact stats of the moment you use transform with boosts, EVs, IVs and all. Just not the HP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 06:52:24 No.22516467 Report

Quoted By: >>22516479 >>22517303 >>22518188

>>22515065
Yeah, I was leaning towards Togekiss in the end, but if I'm using M-Tyranitar, I'll be using Dragon Dance. Aren't set-up moves looked down upon in VGC? From what I understand, making M-Tyranitar takes some decent team support. What's another mon that can make M-Tyranitar's life easier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 06:54:00 No.22516479 Report

Quoted By: >>22516503

>>22516467
Amoonguss

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 06:57:17 No.22516503 Report

Quoted By: >>22516508

>>22516479
Why would I run Amoonguss when I decided that I'm running Togekiss for redirection? I was looking for other potential mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 06:58:24 No.22516508 Report

Quoted By:

>>22516503
My bad, I'm almost sleeping.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 06:59:56 No.22516526 Report

Quoted By: >>22517954

>>22515498
I use mega abomasnow as a trick room/ rain team counter. You're right with countering rain teams, Giga drain shuts them down and is good recovery. I would lean more towards using it over M-Camerupt, in my experience Camerupt falls flat if your trick roomer gets taunted and shut down, but ice shard Aboma can usually OHKO a salamence so it does well outside of trick room too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 07:06:31 No.22516588 Report

Quoted By: >>22516614 >>22517310

>>22514549
ToTT:

I've been liking Togekiss since it has so much bulk and godly typing, though I hate the Bisharp match-up.

Though I've started to use Volcarona with Rage Powder and it's hilarious to see Mega-Mom get burned for hitting it too much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 07:09:42 No.22516614 Report

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>>22516588
I've thought of using Volcarona as a redirectioner, but with all the rock slide going on in the meta I feel you can't keep it up for long. Haven't tried it though.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 07:33:38 No.22516803 Report

Quoted By: >>22516834 >>22517300 >>22517413 >>22519566

>Cybertron gets rekt by Smeargle every time

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 07:37:37 No.22516834 Report

Quoted By: >>22516860

>>22516803
Did he get to 1900?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 07:40:56 No.22516860 Report

Quoted By: >>22524256

>>22516834
I don't think so, can't see the final ratings at the moment

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 09:14:59 No.22517300 Report

Quoted By: >>22517413

>>22516803
>Opponent sends out Smeargle and Mega-mom
>"Oh thats such an obnoxious lead"
>mfw

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 09:16:04 No.22517303 Report

Quoted By:

>>22516467
>but if I'm using M-Tyranitar, I'll be using Dragon Dance. Aren't set-up moves looked down upon in VGC?
nah dragon dance mega ttar is probably the most common set for it. swords dance scizor was common in the past. DD mega mence is popular right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 09:17:04 No.22517310 Report

Quoted By:

>>22516588
you can run enough speed to outpace adamant bisharp with togekiss and run aura sphere if you want.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 09:41:08 No.22517413 Report

Quoted By: >>22517460

>>22517300
>>22516803

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 10:00:16 No.22517460 Report

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>>22517413

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 10:14:00 No.22517499 Report

Quoted By: >>22517598 >>22521121 >>22521161 >>22524279

Would anyone be interested if I made giveaways of more common mons like Bisharp, Mence, Milotic and others?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 10:43:53 No.22517598 Report

Quoted By:

>>22517499
It'd be an interesting idea for people who want to jump into VGC without much of an idea of where to start

As long as its kept on the downlow, so the autists and jews from /ggg/ dont come here and screw everything up

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 12:37:43 No.22517924 Report

Quoted By: >>22517955 >>22517988 >>22519417 >>22531347

what do you guys think of this? should more established players try to do what cybertron's doing and create content to help spread vgc?

ToTT: the clefable/m-mence combo is looking pretty powerful at the moment but haven't had a chance to try it out. togekiss is fun, used it a bit in XY battlespot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 12:38:05 No.22517927 Report

Quoted By:

>>22515276
You know you can delete posts on 4chan right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 12:44:49 No.22517954 Report

Quoted By: >>22518145 >>22526326

>>22516526
>>22515498
4 Atk Mega Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 268-316 (80.9 - 95.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after hail damage
If you give it a turn of hail damage and get a high damage roll it can. Mega salamence is much more of a problem.
I used Abomasnow at Nationals last year and it's simply a powerhouse. Talonflame and M-Venusaur were its biggest counters, but I can see it struggling with Mega Salamence too if you don't have TR up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 12:44:55 No.22517955 Report

Quoted By: >>22517974

>>22517924
Why not? The more voices from the top offering advice, the more information and views to devise strategies from

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 12:51:07 No.22517974 Report

Quoted By: >>22517998 >>22518010

>>22517955
which players would you like to see start something like this? my only issue with what ray was saying is i think if you're going to really go for it you should invest in a capture card off the bat rather than trying to film off a phone or something first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 12:55:12 No.22517988 Report

Quoted By: >>22517993

>>22517924
He should just get a capture card straight away, with his name alone he is guaranteed to have a popular channel, shitty quality is only going to scare people away

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 12:56:28 No.22517993 Report

Quoted By:

>>22517988
Exactly what i was thinking. He easily has the resources to make the investment worthwhile fairly quickly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 12:58:07 No.22517998 Report

Quoted By:

>>22517974
As much as I like Aarons videos, I think hearing from different people would be a better thing, that way you get a spread of approaches and ideas

Something like the way dunlop does interviews with guitar players and their techs in regards to gear setups would be interesting. Interviews with regional/national etc winners, people of note who can talk through some of their past teams, strategies they enjoy, things like that. Listening to the same person could get old, for me at least

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 12:59:48 No.22518010 Report

Quoted By: >>22518024

>>22517974
He could primarily do Showdown until he gets a capture card, would probably be for the best.
I wouldn't mind seeing a lot more of the better players try this out. As it stands the only VGC content I watch is from Aaron and Baz, I guess the occasional piece from Joey as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 13:02:59 No.22518024 Report

Quoted By: >>22518113

>>22518010
has baz uploaded much of the 2015 format? need to check him out if that's the case.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 13:16:24 No.22518113 Report

Quoted By: >>22518133

>>22518024
Yeah, all showdown though. Definitely worth checking out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 13:20:57 No.22518133 Report

Quoted By:

>>22518113
watching his latest one with lajo now, really enjoying it so far. how is he only getting like 200 views per upload?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 13:23:43 No.22518145 Report

Quoted By:

>>22517954
My issue with running M-Aboma is whilst Aboma in general was a fantastic anti-meta mon last year it still pretty much had to run normal form with Sash to function.

And now ORAS is pretty much Gen: BIRDSPAM I just don't see how M-Aboma can function properly without a Sash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 13:32:41 No.22518188 Report

Quoted By: >>22520237

>>22516467
Set ups are frowned on because they're slow to get going and prone to being gimped by speed control. On top of there being things which can sweep without setup, Khan and co. etc.

In M-T-tar's case DD is virtually the only set it can run better than normal T-Tar. In fact I'd say your biggest problem isn't going to be solved by misdirection. If anything is gonna be a issue it is probably all the TR's and Icy Wind's floating about which negate your DD.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 13:47:51 No.22518242 Report

Quoted By: >>22518918

So what's the most common set for Togekiss? I'd like to try it out since it's one of my favorites.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 15:49:14 No.22518918 Report

Quoted By: >>22519777

>>22518242
air slash & follow me are staples on it but you have a ton of options for the last two slots including t-wave, roost, aura sphere (for bisharp), tailwind, helping hand or protect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 16:12:09 No.22519077 Report

Quoted By: >>22519184 >>22519853

Has anyone tried running Funbro on Battlespot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 16:24:14 No.22519184 Report

Quoted By:

>>22519077
doesn't work with the timer and certainly doesn't work in doubles

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 17:04:33 No.22519417 Report

Quoted By:

>>22517924
Please no face cam

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 17:21:44 No.22519566 Report

Quoted By: >>22519608

>>22516803
in all fairness, the smeargle with the krookodile and the one with the crobat were actually creative sets, not just "lol dark void"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 17:27:54 No.22519608 Report

Quoted By: >>22519916

>>22519566
What was the one with Crobat?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 17:54:40 No.22519777 Report

Quoted By: >>22519905

>>22518918
Forgot to ask. Any recommended EV spreads? Or do I just go bulk in general?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 18:05:01 No.22519853 Report

Quoted By:

>>22519077
someone will sodomize you with a rusty pipe if you do that irl

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 18:12:35 No.22519905 Report

Quoted By: >>22526512

>>22519777
general bulk, defensive nature depending on the mon you're pairing with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 18:14:01 No.22519915 Report

Quoted By:

>>22514549
ToTT: I love Amoonguss. Togekiss and Jumpluff are cool too

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 18:14:08 No.22519916 Report

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>>22519608
it was in his latest video. i think it had fake out, helping hand and dark void, with a mental herb. the crobat just tailwinded. zheng got really outplayed that video

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 18:15:09 No.22519927 Report

Quoted By: >>22519955 >>22519956 >>22519993 >>22520422

what's a good M-Venu check? i know it isn't that common any more, but i don't want to risk facing one

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 18:18:15 No.22519955 Report

Quoted By:

>>22519927
Talonflame, M-Mence, literally anything with a good>>22519927
flying or psychic move

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 18:18:21 No.22519956 Report

Quoted By:

>>22519927
things with psychic or flying moves. bravest burd, metagross, lati@s, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 18:22:55 No.22519993 Report

Quoted By: >>22520109

What's a decent spread for Amoonguss, I've just looked at the Smogon Dubs and altered it for Lvl50 and it survives most relevant stuff ie -1 Talonflame Brave Bird, +6 neutral Azumarill, Adamant Kangs Double Edge, Zen Headbutt from Jolly MegaGross

And I can do that with a spread of 236 HP / 212 Def / 60 Sdef

Is there anything else I should aim to bulk or should that cover mostly everything?

>>22519927
MegaGross ruins it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 18:43:06 No.22520109 Report

Quoted By: >>22520935

>>22519993
+2 Milotic ice beam? Talonflame Overheat? Mega aboma Blizzard? Adamant mamo icicle crash? I think you don't even need to invest to survive that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 18:43:54 No.22520116 Report

Quoted By:

>playing vgc on showdown
>wait
>wait
>wait
>wait more
damn why do people take more than 45 seconds to move? your fucking moves would be automatically selected for you at a real event

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 18:45:49 No.22520128 Report

Quoted By: >>22520365

Whats the optimal spread for a talonflame with massive balk? I want it to be able to spread burns and keep up tailwind. Flare blitz since it's gonna be on a sun team as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 18:59:42 No.22520237 Report

Quoted By: >>22520262

>>22518188
>Icy Wind

I was thinking about running a Wide Guard user that could potentially double as a Taunter. Mienshao or Aerodactyl sounds like perfect partners for Tyranitar, except I have to pick between a shared Fairy or Water Weakness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 19:03:06 No.22520262 Report

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>>22520237
Well I'd rule Mienshao completely out, it's not good at that kind of thing, it's better for offensive support.

Aerodactyl however is a fine Wide Guarder due to how it attracts Rock Slide's like a magnet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 19:04:05 No.22520269 Report

Quoted By: >>22520547

Using eviolote clefairy for friend guard shenanigans, I have Protect/Follow Me/Moonblast and I'm thinking moonlight or flamethrower in the last slot. Thoughts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 19:18:51 No.22520365 Report

Quoted By: >>22520392

>>22520128
You mean overheat

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 19:22:08 No.22520392 Report

Quoted By: >>22520409

>>22520365
Why overheat over FB?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 19:25:34 No.22520409 Report

Quoted By:

>>22520392
Higher base power, not affected by intimidate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 19:26:28 No.22520422 Report

Quoted By:

>>22519927
Mawille?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 19:32:35 No.22520469 Report

Quoted By:

why can't rotom-w hit moves? why is it literally incapable of connecting with any attack below 100 percent accuracy?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 19:42:17 No.22520544 Report

Quoted By: >>22521105

>>22514549
How much of this stuff can help me become a better non-VGC doubles player?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 19:42:22 No.22520547 Report

Quoted By:

>>22520269
Helping Hand, if you're gonna use Moonblast + Flamethrower you may as well just use Clefable instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 19:47:56 No.22520608 Report

Quoted By: >>22520633

how do I rage powder bold-carona? tell me your secrets

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 19:50:41 No.22520633 Report

Quoted By:

>>22520608
I use 252 hp 252 Def, but it can certainly be improved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 20:09:34 No.22520810 Report

Quoted By: >>22520907 >>22521067 >>22521448

did someone win a tournament with a special ebelt swampert or did nigger bridge have a post about one? a lot of people seem to be running it, probably for its access to wide guard. even I'm trying it out, its kinda shitty so far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 20:21:01 No.22520907 Report

Quoted By:

>>22520810
Sounds shit. I guess special to get around intimidates, and maybe expert belt is needed to KO Salamence with Ice Beam or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 20:24:15 No.22520935 Report

Quoted By:

>>22520109
>+2 Milotic
Takes it up to 112 Spa Modest

>Talonflame
Takes an Overheat from LO neutral Talonflame with up to 72 EVs in Spa

>Mega Obama
It bulks that

>Adamant Mamo
252+ Atk Life Orb Mamoswine Icicle Crash vs. 236 HP / 212+ Def Amoonguss: 198-234 (90.4 - 106.8%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

Oh well, I think it's hit a point where it has good enough mixed bulk anyway, I'll EV train it and see how it goes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 20:34:37 No.22521059 Report

Quoted By: >>22521147

>lose because MY OPPONENT'S HEATRAN WAS FUCKING SPEED TYING WITH MY BISHARP
who fucking does that? who EVs their heatran to speed tie with bisharp?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 20:35:13 No.22521067 Report

Quoted By:

>>22520810
Someone did win a major tournament over in the Asia region with a M-pert rain team but that is about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 20:39:17 No.22521105 Report

Quoted By:

>>22520544
The speed tiers and the nuggetbridge article about defending yourself with questions. The rest is almost VGC exclusive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 20:41:20 No.22521121 Report

Quoted By:

>>22517499
I would be down for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 20:43:58 No.22521147 Report

Quoted By: >>22521163

>>22521059
>get caught off guard
>lose over it

that's why people do it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 20:45:18 No.22521161 Report

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>>22517499
That would be great, I have so many ideas from showdown I want to try out in battle spot but I just started breeding for some of those 'mons. I'd be great to already have a few of them and cut that time a bit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 20:45:39 No.22521163 Report

Quoted By: >>22521214

>>22521147
I don't think you understand, EVing heatran to speed tie with bisharp makes literally no sense. it's not one of those things where "hurr durr le surprise xD" it just makes no fucking sense. it will backfire and hurt you as many times as it might help you. putting literally eight more EVs into speed to outspeed bisharp would help you one million times more than speed tying and never backfire

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 20:49:57 No.22521201 Report

Quoted By:

Is an offensive core of band lando-t and specs thundy-t viable? I'd just be spamming disquake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 20:51:01 No.22521214 Report

Quoted By:

>>22521163
Oh fuck I misread

>>>>Ev'ing to speed tie

what the fuck lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 21:18:40 No.22521448 Report

Quoted By: >>22521544 >>22524129

>>22520810
Angel Miranda won a PC with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 21:23:57 No.22521502 Report

Quoted By: >>22521515 >>22521545 >>22522522

>tfw no PCs in Scotland or anything

Why the actual fuck is all this shit down in England only

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 21:24:40 No.22521508 Report

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Daily reminder that VGC is only played for the prize money and is in no way, shape, or form competitive like smogon metagames.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 21:25:08 No.22521515 Report

Quoted By:

>>22521502
lol noncountry

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 21:26:26 No.22521526 Report

Quoted By: >>22521562

does gyro ball still require attack iv's to run effectively?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 21:28:20 No.22521544 Report

Quoted By:

>>22521448
oic. I found its actually kinda decent especially against sand. I would try sitrus berry too

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 21:28:23 No.22521545 Report

Quoted By: >>22521658 >>22522877

>>22521502
>tfw birmingham
I hate this feel

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 21:30:35 No.22521562 Report

Quoted By: >>22521573

>>22521526
>IVs
of course
>EVs
still yes
assuming you're talking about ferro, i still think that brave with investment is the best

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 21:31:45 No.22521573 Report

Quoted By:

>>22521562

ok, thanks. Pokemondb's page didn't mention anything about attack, only speed. I was still suspicious though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 21:39:13 No.22521658 Report

Quoted By:

>>22521545
the TO for the crawley PC end of jan posted advance fares to get there from brum and even then they looked pretty expensive. really does suck, don't see why the only PCs so far have been in the middle of nowhere

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Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 21:59:52 No.22521836 Report

Quoted By: >>22521889 >>22522297

I've decided to make a team centered around that annoying ass Whimsicott + M-Gengar Core.

Anyone here has any experience with it?
Any protips?
What's the best use you've seen with it online? Have you ever been rekt by anyone running it while on Battle Spot? How did they rekt you?
Which things your opponent used besides those two?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:05:07 No.22521889 Report

Quoted By:

>>22521836
It's really, really obvious. Opponent switches before gengar goes mega and gg for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:21:21 No.22522097 Report

Quoted By: >>22522277

How many trick room setters should a team have? How many is too many?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:36:44 No.22522277 Report

Quoted By:

>>22522097
one trick room setter is all you need/should have
any more is just pointless and honestly hurts you more than it helps

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:37:04 No.22522280 Report

Quoted By: >>22522322 >>22522793

really sick of mega metagross. I guess I need something that can outspeed and OHKO it reliably (pretty much just overheat talonflame) and even that gets smashed by a ton of the meta. why did they give the hoenn megas such retarded stats? metagross didn't need this much speed, salamence didn't need skarmory tier defense

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:38:47 No.22522297 Report

Quoted By: >>22522322 >>22522332

>>22521836
>ass Whimsicott + M-Gengar Core.
Please explain as these are 2 of my favorite pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:40:59 No.22522322 Report

Quoted By: >>22522364 >>22522407

>>22522280
mega metagross can be beaten by a bunch of really common pokemon
bisharp beats it if it doesn't have hammer arm or eq, and even then sucker has a chance to ohko if he's not running bulk
lando beats it if it doesn't have ice punch
scarf hydreigon beats it, specs beats it if it doesn't have hammer arm
honestly a lot of completely viable, good pokemon can reliably deal with gross. It's good, but not kanga tier.
>>22522297
prankster encore+fast disable+trapping
it's not a very effective strategy if your opponent is competent and has a decent team

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:41:24 No.22522332 Report

Quoted By:

>>22522297
Mega Gengar has Shadow Tag and Disable and Whimsicott has Encore and both are fast as fuck. One mistake means that you get Encored and Disabled turning the game into 2vs1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:43:57 No.22522364 Report

Quoted By: >>22522396 >>22522405 >>22522426 >>22522446

>>22522322
>it's not a very effective strategy if your opponent is competent and has a decent team
Yeah man. I guess Mega Khan is also shit if your opponent is competent and has a good team too. The same applies to rain, sun, or even trick room. Fucking shitty ass gimmicks.

Don't use Landorus T either. If your opponent plays him around smartly he'll be also a dead weight too. Never ever use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:46:47 No.22522396 Report

Quoted By: >>22522426 >>22522432

>>22522364
Whimsicott+Gengar is really easy to beat, the others are not. Have you ever played against it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:47:38 No.22522405 Report

Quoted By: >>22522441

>>22522364
>two extremely frail pokemon, of which only one has any offensive presence to speak of
>easily shut down by prankster thundurus/anything outspeeding and ohkoing gengar
>comparing it to weather and what is undeniably the most effective mega

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:47:40 No.22522407 Report

Quoted By: >>22522421

>>22522322
>lando beats it if it doesn't have ice punch
ice punch is pretty much mandatory on megagross i'd say for this exact reason. can also avoid going mega right away if you think they're in the back to dodge intimidate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:49:22 No.22522421 Report

Quoted By: >>22522525

>>22522407
i run hammer arm because you already 2hko lando with iron head/meteor mash, and getting the damage off on bish or kang is really nice
but ice punch is a lot more standard, so i'd say bish is a nice check

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:49:37 No.22522426 Report

Quoted By: >>22522471

>>22522396
>>22522364
It's like TerraCotta or KhanArtist, once you know it's there you can easily deal with it if you know what you're doing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:50:07 No.22522432 Report

Quoted By: >>22522471

>>22522396
I've have. And even when I outplayed the Protect + Encore I got fucked up sideways to Sunday because my opponent was a competent human being who didn't 100% center his team on just one strategy and could do other things besides just that.

This reminds me of the Perish Trap is shit argument. A well built team will be able to Perish Trap/Encore+Protect but in case it can't pull that it can also hold it's weight in other ways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:50:27 No.22522441 Report

Quoted By:

>>22522405
Not saying he is right in his comparisons but whimsicott could easily carry taunt to take care of thundurus

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:50:41 No.22522446 Report

Quoted By: >>22522458 >>22522469

>>22522364
speaking of smogongenie what is a effective way to counter him?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:51:48 No.22522458 Report

Quoted By:

>>22522446
Milotic.
Mamoswine.

Anything moderately bulky with water or ice attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:53:05 No.22522469 Report

Quoted By:

>>22522446
Most things that can pack ice coverage and take a hit or outspeed can take him on, or Defiant/Competitive users to force him to not swicht in

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:53:14 No.22522471 Report

Quoted By: >>22522478 >>22522492

>>22522426
But anon, KhanArtist isn't THAT easy to deal with. It's the most annoying gimmick there is, because it has a pretty good chance to work if you fuck up even a little bit.

>>22522432
Oh, so you had trouble with it once? Happens to everyone, then you learn what the gimmick is and never lose again. It's a waste of two mons if you know how to play around it, so if you still lost, git gud.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:54:07 No.22522478 Report

Quoted By: >>22522486

>>22522471
>Y-You are just shit git gut fagget xD
Quality argument you got there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:54:52 No.22522486 Report

Quoted By:

>>22522478
Better than your anecdote.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:55:20 No.22522492 Report

Quoted By: >>22522516

>>22522471
Well, that's certainly true. My biggest fear is fighting a KhanArtist team piloted by a good player.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:57:37 No.22522516 Report

Quoted By:

>>22522492
Yeah, I think Cybertron lost to a KhanArtist team on the ladder. It's a stronk strategy.
>tfw I have two Smeagles ready

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:57:52 No.22522522 Report

Quoted By:

>>22521502
Wasn't there one in Glasgow last year?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 22:57:58 No.22522525 Report

Quoted By:

>>22522421

yea i'd agree with that, bisharp is a reliable check to it for sure. without hammer arm it does have sort of a hard time vs steel types in general but that's what teammates are for right? i don't like the fact it lowers speed as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 23:22:07 No.22522793 Report

Quoted By: >>22523170

>>22522280
defensive arcanine

-1 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arcanine: 45-53 (22.8 - 26.9%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
-1 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Hammer Arm vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arcanine: 66-78 (33.5 - 39.5%) -- 20.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
-1 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arcanine: 79-94 (40.1 - 47.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
-1 252 Atk Mega Metagross Earthquake (doubles) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arcanine: 74-88 (37.5 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

140 SpA Arcanine Overheat vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Metagross: 156-186 (100 - 119.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 23:23:00 No.22522804 Report

Quoted By: >>22523170

Why is bulky thundurus so perfect?

This speed control is so fucking good with Zard and Specs Hydreigon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 23:29:32 No.22522877 Report

Quoted By:

>>22521545
Apparently there's a PC in Wakefield on Saturday
https://www.pokemon.com/us/play-pokemon/pokemon-events/15-01-000724/
Still not that close to you but a little more so than the southern ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 23:58:22 No.22523170 Report

Quoted By: >>22523180 >>22523201

>>22522793
What calc are you using?
I couldn't see any options for Megas on the PS calc.

>>22522804
Recommended spread? I'm not getting enough use out of him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Jan 2015 23:59:01 No.22523180 Report

Quoted By: >>22523934

>>22523170
http://gamut-was-taken.github.io/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 00:00:36 No.22523201 Report

Quoted By: >>22523934

>>22523170
Thundurus @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 240 HP / 4 Def / 52 SpA / 212 SpD
Calm Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Taunt
- Thunder Wave

I think you only need something like 196 SDef, but the 212 is just compensating for its imperfect Sdef on cart

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 00:25:51 No.22523493 Report

Quoted By:

How viable is a sun team with Charizard Y and Venusaur acting as an offensive core?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 01:12:09 No.22523934 Report

Quoted By:

>>22523180
>>22523201
Cheers

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 01:34:40 No.22524129 Report

Quoted By: >>22524144 >>22525641 >>22527203 >>22528143

>>22521448
Angel Miranda, Simon Yip, and I have compiled the cutting PC teams we used in VGC 2015 if anyone is interested. Can't post blog but it's on ImoutoIsland. Could be used for inspiration to anons here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 01:36:17 No.22524144 Report

Quoted By:

>>22524129
fuck off

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 01:42:18 No.22524203 Report

Quoted By: >>22524317

so is crawdaunt any good in VGC? I was thinking of using it on my trick room team because I have this nice 5IV shiny I bred in X but since I can't have 2 life orbs and I want one for my dragalge, would banding it or sashing it be better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 01:48:30 No.22524256 Report

Quoted By:

>>22516860
nah he didn't, slid back down. it's been great watching his losses though, showcases some great sportsmanship.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 01:50:12 No.22524279 Report

Quoted By:

>>22517499
absolutely, really want to build a milotic even though I only just got into vgc. It would help a lot

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 01:52:58 No.22524317 Report

Quoted By:

>>22524203
depends on the set, though i imagine band would be better

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Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 02:01:18 No.22524406 Report

Quoted By:

>trying to look at other ORAS megas in VGC
>run some mega beedrill calcs
>max atk x-scissor fails to KO 252/0 cresselia
not even a mega with all the minmaxing in the world can make him good yeesh

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 02:03:43 No.22524428 Report

Quoted By: >>22524904 >>22524928

i'm planning on running a hydreigon on my team, going to use choice specs, it's modest. is it worth investing 176 EV into speed to outspeed the possible timid 252 smeargle by 1? or should i invest less just to outspeed max speed ttar and other base 70s?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 02:10:25 No.22524501 Report

Quoted By:

Anyone is up for spar?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 02:40:45 No.22524904 Report

Quoted By: >>22525172

>>22524428
I've gone 180 Speed to creep other Hydregion, and fucking smeargles, food for thought

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 02:41:49 No.22524928 Report

Quoted By: >>22525172

>>22524428
It's worth creeping smeargle imo

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 03:08:30 No.22525172 Report

Quoted By: >>22525427

>>22524904
>>22524928
okay thanks, im sitting at 252 spa, 180 speed. recommendations on the remaining spread? ive heard 4 in d and spD and remaining in hp is a decent bulk to survive jolly chomp dragon claw

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 03:12:51 No.22525209 Report

Quoted By: >>22525454 >>22525625

Is assault vest chesnaught viable? I'm thinking it could stand up to genies and heatran.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 03:24:42 No.22525283 Report

Quoted By:

no guard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 03:44:20 No.22525427 Report

Quoted By: >>22525538

>>22525172
My spread is 36 HP/ 36 Def/ 252 Sp.Atk/ 4 Sp.Def/ 180 Spe

I cant remember the calcs, but the defense is to tank out kanga and possibly something else, I cant remember

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 03:48:10 No.22525454 Report

Quoted By:

>>22525209
not ass vest, but someone used chesnaught to win VA regionals last year
>http://nuggetbridge.com/reports/chesnaught-second-place-virginia-regional-team-report/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 03:57:26 No.22525512 Report

Quoted By: >>22525585

Is there any niche mega alakazam fill want to try using one, as i like it's design and trace shenanigans seem like it could be fun, but outside of a gimmiky skill swap set I can't think of any reason to use it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 04:01:14 No.22525538 Report

Quoted By:

>>22525427
cool, ill definitely try that out, it tanks kanga and a jolly chomp dragon claw

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 04:05:23 No.22525585 Report

Quoted By: >>22525666

>>22525512
there's no reason to run regular zam in the format, and mega zam is just a more powerful zam without magic guard or a sash
so no

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 04:10:56 No.22525625 Report

Quoted By:

>>22525209
looking at the calcs with no evs into spd, thunderous can only 3hko you with hp ice, and rock slide 2hkos it back with no atk evs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 04:13:00 No.22525641 Report

Quoted By:

>>22524129
if you're really Jeudy say "nightfront is a fag" on twitter

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 04:14:31 No.22525654 Report

Quoted By: >>22525671 >>22525682 >>22525801 >>22526576

What would VGC be like if instead of picking which 4 Pokemon to use, your opponent picked 2 of your pokemon which you can't use, then you chose the order that you send your remaining 4 out?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 04:16:39 No.22525666 Report

Quoted By:

>>22525585
aww thats a shame, guess ill work on my rain team with mega swamp

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 04:18:10 No.22525671 Report

Quoted By: >>22525952

>>22525654
how would you decide who gets to pick first? otherwise both sides could pick pokemon they can't handle only to lose the pokemon that handles the rest of thier team

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 04:19:18 No.22525682 Report

Quoted By:

>>22525654
every team is "guess the mega"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 04:29:04 No.22525801 Report

Quoted By:

>>22525654
Having dual shitmon megas becomes inviable and having dual megas is limited to strong Pokemon that can work without them

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 04:46:01 No.22525952 Report

Quoted By:

>>22525671
p1 ban
p2 ban
p2 ban
p1 ban

p1 and p2 are randomised

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 05:22:29 No.22526253 Report

Quoted By: >>22526308

Does magic coat reflect dark void back onto both of their pokemon? And protect both of mine for that matter?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 05:29:03 No.22526308 Report

Quoted By:

>>22526253
Only protects the user, but does affect both opponents.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 05:30:58 No.22526326 Report

Quoted By: >>22527020

>>22517954
so I want to run wood hammer with full attack EV's and Blizzard with full Sp. Attack EV's. Is it worth sacrificing the bulk for 2 very strong STABs at full potential?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 05:43:29 No.22526419 Report

Quoted By: >>22526453

RMT?

Clefairy @ Eviolite
Ability: Friend Guard
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Def / 140 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk
Bold Nature
- Protect
- Follow Me
- Moonblast
- Helping Hand

Salamence @ Salamencite
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 20 HP / 20 Atk / 172 SpA / 60 SpD / 236 Spe
Mild Nature
- Protect
- Draco Meteor
- Double-Edge
- Flamethrower

Bisharp @ Focus Sash
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Iron Head
- Sucker Punch
- Knock Off
- Protect

Thundurus (M) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
EVs: 240 HP / 128 Def / 20 SpA / 92 SpD / 28 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Modest Nature
- Grass Knot
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Taunt

Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Level: 50
EVs: 132 HP / 60 Def / 212 SpA / 92 SpD / 12 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Modest Nature
- Protect
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Tailwind

Terrakion @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Rock Slide
- Quick Guard
- Protect

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 05:48:04 No.22526453 Report

Quoted By: >>22526511

>>22526419
>not pastebin
0/10 did not read

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 05:58:03 No.22526511 Report

Quoted By:

>>22526453
http://pastebin.com/QJZnVQdR

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 05:58:13 No.22526512 Report

Quoted By:

>>22519905
Another question (since I finally got my Luxury Ball Togepi). Any speed investment? enough to outspeed Bisharp? Or better to just put everything in bulk? I'm planning in using 252 HP, Def enough to resist Bisharp's Iron Head and the rest in SpD or SpA, Calm Nature.

Also, while I was at work, I began thinking in a good team I could use, so far I got this:

>Competitive bulky Milotic
>Bulky Support Togekiss
>Mixed Hasty Mega Garchomp
>Choice Specs Sylveon
>Thundurus
>Brave Mega Mawile

I'm still working on EV spreads and sets. Any suggestions? I liked this team but I still need to test it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 06:04:27 No.22526558 Report

Quoted By: >>22527447 >>22528843

Gravity Anon from a thread or two ago; how does Gigalith sound as a setter? Gets Sturdy so it's un-OHKO-able without double-targeting, gets Wide Guard to block surprise EQs from the opponents and allow spam from my side and can abuse gravity to use 100% accurate Rock Slides (not that great, lol flinch) or Stone Edges. Wide Guard means it's still usable outside of Gravity for support. Something like:

Gigalith@? (Sitrus or Mental herb most likely)
Ability: Sturdy
Some balk nature
balky EVs
- Gravity
- Wide Guard
- Stone Edge/Rock Slide
- Protect/Earthquake/Coverage

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 06:07:17 No.22526576 Report

Quoted By:

>>22525654
it would never happen due to how it would add so much time to a tournament

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 06:18:01 No.22526647 Report

Quoted By: >>22526745 >>22526757 >>22527376

Could anyone give me some critique on my trick room team? I've never played VGC or doubles for a considerable amount of time so I'm flying kind of blind http://pastebin.com/XkgXJWuU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 06:29:43 No.22526745 Report

Quoted By: >>22526757 >>22526852

>>22526647
Sludge wave is probably not an optimal choice on Dragalge. Your team has very few Poison resists and one of your megas is weak to poison, apart from the potential poisoning of your own teammates fucking up damage calc-based EV spreads. Sludge Bomb should be a decent substitute.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 06:31:19 No.22526757 Report

Quoted By: >>22526898

>>22526647
>>22526745
Also, your camerupt has Heat Wave listed twice. I presume one of those is actually Protect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 06:42:45 No.22526852 Report

Quoted By:

>>22526745
I fucked up, it's sludge bomb

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 06:47:50 No.22526898 Report

Quoted By:

>>22526757
you are correct

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 07:02:24 No.22527020 Report

Quoted By: >>22527065

>>22526326
When any fire type move will 1shot you, no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 07:09:37 No.22527065 Report

Quoted By:

>>22527020
Not like it's not going to get ohko'd even with HP investment

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 07:28:19 No.22527165 Report

Quoted By: >>22527174 >>22527524

Who are common ice move/ice beam users? My leads have a huge weakness to them and the only ones that come to mind are mamoswine and cresselia

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 07:29:27 No.22527174 Report

Quoted By:

>>22527165
Any water type

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 07:35:48 No.22527203 Report

Quoted By:

>>22524129

Cheers man, i appreciate it.
Been looking for a good clefable spread

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 08:04:00 No.22527376 Report

Quoted By:

>>22526647
so I just started using this team on battle spot and it's working really really well. I've used abomasnow in trick room singles and I thought it was still a piece of shit but spamming helping hand blizzards sure is fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 08:20:12 No.22527447 Report

Quoted By: >>22527521

>>22526558
For Gravity setters, I think Gigalith falls kinda down on the list when Meowstic and Sableye have priority and Landorus has a huge offensive presence. It's only niche, as you have it, would be Wide Guard + Gravity if this is needed in the same slot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 08:35:43 No.22527499 Report

Quoted By: >>22527513 >>22527518

Elil-hrair-rah (Greninja) (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Gunk Shot
- Ice Beam
- Scald
- Low Kick

What needs changing
I have no other water or poison coverage

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 08:38:54 No.22527513 Report

Quoted By: >>22527558

>>22527499
>Elil-hrair-rah
>(F)

what

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 08:40:34 No.22527518 Report

Quoted By: >>22527558

>>22527499
replace scald with rock slide

252 on Atk
4 on SpA

you dont need water coverage

also if u ignore my advice u shud still swap the 4 evs on hp to attack cuz thats kind of dumb how u have it now lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 08:41:28 No.22527521 Report

Quoted By: >>22530231

>>22527447
Oh shit, Lando gets gravity? How did I not notice that? Well, guess I'm soft resetting for another legendary now.

...shit, I don't want to fuck up my Tornadus either in case I make a Rain team down the line. Guess I gotta go boot up Dream Radar to snag one of those...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 08:42:06 No.22527524 Report

Quoted By: >>22527536

>>22527165
Ice types, water types, cresselia, altaria, and most electrics will have HP ice. You might see it on clefable sometimes too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 08:45:32 No.22527536 Report

Quoted By: >>22527539

>>22527524
>Altaria
>HP ice
u wot

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 08:46:29 No.22527539 Report

Quoted By: >>22527551

>>22527536
Altaria learns ice beam. You see it occasionally. Most run hyper voice / fire blast / either ice beam or draco / protect

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 08:48:58 No.22527551 Report

Quoted By: >>22527566 >>22527573

>>22527539
What coverage does it give that Fairy/Dragon/Fire doesn't?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 08:50:49 No.22527558 Report

Quoted By: >>22533402

>>22527513
Oversight

>>22527518
Is he better as a Physical attacker?
Can I use U-Turn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 08:54:05 No.22527566 Report

Quoted By:

>>22527551
Ground

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 09:02:30 No.22527573 Report

Quoted By:

>>22527551
>What coverage does it give
Landorus. Less about type coverage and more about covering likely scenarios around common threats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 09:30:51 No.22527636 Report

Quoted By: >>22527650 >>22527655

Is showdown bugged?
My Prankster Thunderus, using Thunder Wave, just went _after_ a Brave Bird using Talonflame, and died because of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 09:33:35 No.22527650 Report

Quoted By: >>22527666

>>22527636
Thundurus base speed: 111
Talonflame base speed: 126

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 09:34:00 No.22527655 Report

Quoted By: >>22527666

>>22527636
Jolly/Naive Talonflame is a thing, gotta beat opposing birds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 09:36:36 No.22527666 Report

Quoted By: >>22531505

>>22527650
>>22527655
>Generation IV
>Brave Bird inflicts damage, and the user receives recoil damage equal to ⅓ of the damage done to the target.
>Generation V
>Brave Bird can hit non-adjacent opponents in Triple Battles.

>In battle
>Generation V
>Prankster increases the priority of status moves by one. Any move that is increased in priority from >Prankster is not blocked by Quick Guard.
>Generation VI
>Any status moves used by Pokémon with Prankster now can be blocked by Quick Guard.
>Outside of battle
>Prankster has no effect outside of battle.

You're telling me someone was running a Gale Wings Talonflame?
What possible purpose could they be running such a fucking niche thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 10:11:49 No.22527757 Report

Quoted By: >>22527837

For an unscarfed Lando-T, is it worth it to go Jolly? Or should I go Adamant for raw power?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 10:30:33 No.22527830 Report

Quoted By: >>22527839 >>22527901 >>22528791

I want to use Mega Gallade but I am very onflicted on what moves I should run.
CC is a must, Zen headbutt and Knock off/Rock slide seem good options, but then you look at its support options and it gets:
>Encore
>Disable
>Twave
>WoW
>Taunt
And for offense Ice punch too. I'm more tempted towards WoW, Encore and Disable.
wat do

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 10:32:01 No.22527837 Report

Quoted By:

>>22527757
Honestly I think adamant is better. WHen you think about it, Landorus uses spread moves most of the time and the damage won't be too good if jolly. You outspeed most of the slower threats either way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 10:32:33 No.22527839 Report

Quoted By: >>22527858

>>22527830
Typically, Megas thrive as not supports

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 10:37:12 No.22527858 Report

Quoted By: >>22527893

>>22527839
But fast WoW and Encore seem too good to pass up. Coupled with those offenses, I feel like it would be a very solid option.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 10:49:03 No.22527893 Report

Quoted By: >>22527919

>>22527858
If you want to run them and have him as a Rotom like pokemon, by all means. He will melt though to most damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 10:52:02 No.22527901 Report

Quoted By: >>22527919

>>22527830
You could also try Quick Guard. It's defensively weak so Brave Birds and Sucker Punches will be aimed at it all the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 10:58:35 No.22527919 Report

Quoted By:

>>22527893
>>22527901
Yeah I just noticed it gets both guards too. I think I'm gonna try CC/Zen/WoW/Protect for now and see how it goes. I chose WoW because many physical attackers are slower than it after mega, like Kanga (to avoid Sucker if you're at low health), Chomp, Lando, the Musketeers and Bisharp (same as Kang, and to break possible sash) on the top of my head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 11:29:42 No.22527971 Report

Quoted By:

While back someone posted a pretty decent team that had Volcarona, Toxicroak, T-Tar and Lando-T that I lost the info for. If that guy is in here mind sharing that spread again I might bring it up to a sunday league.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 12:32:11 No.22528143 Report

Quoted By:

>>22524129
>virizion
>m-latios
based. i like the other teams as well, the mence/swampert core is interesting for sure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 13:08:24 No.22528262 Report

Quoted By: >>22528325 >>22529744 >>22529775

Sceptile @Sceptilite Rash

Leaf Storm
Dragon Pulse
Hidden Power Fire
Rock Slide/Earthquake

Is it good? EV spread? I want to pair it with a discharge Galvantula or a DD Gyarados

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 13:27:06 No.22528325 Report

Quoted By: >>22528400

>>22528262
>Galvantula
Why is that your choice over Thundurus, Rotom or Zapdos?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 13:41:04 No.22528400 Report

Quoted By: >>22529174

>>22528325
because I hate thundurus and rotom, and I already used Zapdos in the past, so I want to use something I never used before and that I like. Other options could be Jolteon, Magneton/Zone or Porygon2/Z

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 14:49:51 No.22528791 Report

Quoted By:

>>22527830
Problem I find is M-Gallade has severe 4MSS, you will never fit everything you want on and most of the time you want Protect due to the base speed change. Meaning you only get 3 moveslots to cover everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 14:57:21 No.22528843 Report

Quoted By: >>22528882

>>22526558
I've been playing Gravity/Trick Room as well, most successful setter so far has been Ferrothorn who loves the accurate leech seed/power whip.

Also had moderate success with Telepathy Beeheyem who set both TR and Gravity, as well as Skill Swap/Ally Switch, Psychic to 2hko Amoonguss.

Main reason I use Gravity is with all the Rotoms/CharY/Talonflame who wall Mega Camerupt, and its usually not always needed. Thinking of going 2 TR setters and 1 gravity setter to free up for a fast mode mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 15:02:35 No.22528882 Report

Quoted By: >>22528895

>>22528843
Ferro sounds cool but after already having M-Metagross and Durant I'm not drafting in another fire-weak mon. The current team, in short, is:

Lando-T (setter+abuser)
Sableye(second setter+crippling physical mons)
Durant (dat hustle)
TTar (running Blizzard and Fire Blast to abuse gravity)
Ludicolo (fake out+deals with rain bretty well)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 15:03:37 No.22528895 Report

Quoted By:

>>22528882
Oops, and M-meta. Can't forget him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 15:29:40 No.22529120 Report

Quoted By:

>jeudy is so shit he forgot what item his Heatran had
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 15:38:03 No.22529174 Report

Quoted By:

>>22528400
Why do you hate Thundy and Rotom? They are much better options than what you listed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 15:47:25 No.22529253 Report

Quoted By:

RMT? http://pastebin.com/QJZnVQdR

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 15:47:55 No.22529258 Report

Quoted By: >>22529400 >>22529492 >>22529513

seems like every team I make just gets overwhelmed by fast offense. every damn team is just tailwind. everyone said vgc 2014 forces you to play one way but 2015 is no different, you just have to have a faster team to win

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 16:12:31 No.22529400 Report

Quoted By: >>22529492

>>22529258
Trick room, son

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 16:31:54 No.22529492 Report

Quoted By:

>>22529258
>>22529400
This nigga is right, you either pack a lot of priority of you get some ways to control speed. Personally I like TR and Thunderwave together.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 16:34:56 No.22529513 Report

Quoted By:

>>22529258
Every year's metagame starts off incredibly offensive. As it goes on, a lot of the most successful teams are based around defensively built Pokémon that can take hits and abuse weaknesses or buffs to overcome a plain old fast offense team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 17:13:48 No.22529744 Report

Quoted By:

>>22528262
Protect, negro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 17:18:14 No.22529775 Report

Quoted By: >>22529780 >>22529784

>>22528262
run modest with protect in the last slot over a physical spread move (which would do shit damate), and then realize that mega sceptile is too frail and a waste of a mega slot and move on to something else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 17:19:29 No.22529780 Report

Quoted By: >>22529784

>>22529775
this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 17:20:08 No.22529784 Report

Quoted By: >>22529842

>>22529775
>>22529780
>not using mega sceptile

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 17:30:09 No.22529842 Report

Quoted By:

>>22529784
It's true, man. Ironically, Sceptile actually fares better in singles despite being hailed as a doubles mon for the longest time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 18:16:32 No.22530231 Report

Quoted By: >>22530532

>>22527521
i've been testing tornadus-t out on rain and it's kinda not that good. zapdos is better in all honesty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 18:23:35 No.22530292 Report

Quoted By: >>22530315 >>22530319

>pokemon showdown is a laggy shithole
>rated battles are kill

FUCKING

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 18:26:23 No.22530315 Report

Quoted By: >>22530333 >>22530350

>>22530292
aren't they only down til tomorrow? either that or tomorrow's the last day of maintenance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 18:26:33 No.22530319 Report

Quoted By:

>>22530292
Showdown lag is really awful during high activity hours

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 18:28:11 No.22530333 Report

Quoted By:

>>22530315
12 hours until it's back

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 18:31:08 No.22530350 Report

Quoted By: >>22530384 >>22530441

>>22530315
That means the only place I can play is Free Battles, and we all know how much of a shithole that is

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 18:35:01 No.22530384 Report

Quoted By:

>>22530350
maybe some anons on here will battle you if you can't wait 12 hours or bear showdown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 18:40:53 No.22530441 Report

Quoted By: >>22530539

>>22530350
I actually like free battle,I run trick room so I'm a little more prepared for the fast really powerful threats like mega rayquaza or mega mewtwo and deoxys

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 18:53:31 No.22530532 Report

Quoted By: >>22530627

>>22530231
It really needs dem gems if it wants to come back

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 18:54:13 No.22530539 Report

Quoted By:

>>22530441
the people in unrated who use banned legendaries are just clueless kids and casuals, not worth playing them

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 19:04:38 No.22530627 Report

Quoted By: >>22530838 >>22531211

>>22530532
and defiant. its best hope is for next years vgc if we can get HA genies in some way and if gems come back in XY2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 19:24:21 No.22530838 Report

Quoted By: >>22531211

>>22530627
i honestly think that we might still get gems in ORAS, through events or something
there's no reason not to after the nerf

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 19:31:54 No.22530936 Report

Quoted By: >>22530966 >>22531238

Daily reminder that VGC fags have no skill and rely on luck based/cheap strategies to win at an inferior metagame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 19:35:39 No.22530966 Report

Quoted By:

>>22530936
Daily reminder that no one takes your bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 20:01:37 No.22531211 Report

Quoted By: >>22531909

>>22530838
>>22530627
Why is Hurricane and Acrobatics his only usable stabs, cmon fucking gamefreak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 20:02:51 No.22531224 Report

Quoted By: >>22531251 >>22531280 >>22531376

http://pastebin.com/0ErwNAzw
I have too many grass types and feel I should drop Cradily. This is a team to test hail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 20:04:09 No.22531238 Report

Quoted By:

>>22530936
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2015-202419785

Was this you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 20:05:22 No.22531251 Report

Quoted By:

>>22531224
okay nevermind this team is awful

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 20:06:38 No.22531257 Report

Quoted By:

>>22514549
You know what would be cool? If they rewarded you at the end of the season with Pokemon with rare move based on your points.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 20:09:34 No.22531280 Report

Quoted By:

>>22531224
idgi
is that team intentionally bad?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 20:14:38 No.22531324 Report

Quoted By:

I can't play showdown anymore after getting into Battle Spot. The intensity just isn't there and I can't concentrate nearly as much, feels like a waste of time even testing teams out since I end up playing like a retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 20:17:49 No.22531347 Report

Quoted By: >>22531909

>>22517924
I'm ok.

VGC is the official format and what GF promotes. Singles is for idiots,

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 20:20:45 No.22531376 Report

Quoted By:

>>22531224
Mixed Abomasnow is interesting and I've been thinking of trying it. I can't imagine it working much better than the standard full special+shard though.

Carbink is shit and Lax Incense is even more shit. Get a Cresselia or Jellicent or Slowking or Chandelure.

I like Cradily as a gimmick Pokémon but you need something water-weak to abuse its Storm Drain. Right now it's just going to sit there and not do anything because it's so weak offensively. Also Storm Drain would boost its SpA, not its Attack.

Presumably the second half of your team is a fast half? You probably want some more trick room abusers instead of just Abomasnow. Cradily doesn't do anything.

Gengar's set is okay. Substitute, Disable, Icy Wind, Dazzling Gleam, Psychic and so on are good moves on it, yours looks kind of awkward to use.

Serperior's shit but you may as well use it now when everybody else is too.

Landorus looks pretty standard. I wouldn't bother going 252Speed, find a target like Aerodactyl or Manectric or something to outspeed.

Sorry, it's a crap team. If you want to get better, try it on Showdown and look for counters to the many things you'll lose to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 20:36:00 No.22531505 Report

Quoted By: >>22531615

>>22527666
I can't tell if this is b8. If it isn't, Talonflame is only used BECAUSE of Gale Wings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 20:50:04 No.22531615 Report

Quoted By:

>>22531505
Not that poster, but I thought it was pretty obviously sarcasm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 21:25:59 No.22531909 Report

Quoted By:

>>22531211
it gets air slash anon.
>>22531347
not sure if that was the post you meant to reply to because it makes no sense if so

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:09:39 No.22532297 Report

Quoted By: >>22532340

how do you guys deal with crucial misses at the wrong times/hax in general? pic related.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:14:15 No.22532340 Report

Quoted By:

>>22532297
Avoiding low-accuracy moves wherever possible, and playing it safe until you're trapped in a corner. Sometimes it's just unavoidable though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:24:21 No.22532463 Report

Quoted By: >>22532510 >>22532555 >>22532634 >>22532647 >>22532705

Been working on this team for a while fixing it through showdown. This is what ive been working with. Not a perfect team but it has won me a few battles.

Pantera (Registeel) @ Choice Band
Ability: Clear Body
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Iron Head
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch
- Rock Slide

Zoidberg (Clawitzer) @ Leftovers
Ability: Mega Launcher
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 200 HP / 148 Def / 160 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Heal Pulse
- Aura Sphere
- Water Pulse
- Protect

Nicholas Cage (Chandelure) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Flamethrower
- Energy Ball
- Trick

Black Rain (Hydreigon) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
- Dragon Pulse
- Dark Pulse
- U-turn
- Thunder Wave

Shocker ll.l (Rotom-Wash) @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 200 HP / 56 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Will-O-Wisp
- Rest

The Rock (Terrakion) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Protect

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:26:38 No.22532485 Report

Quoted By: >>22533490

mega metagross is good

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:28:27 No.22532510 Report

Quoted By: >>22532624 >>22532647

>>22532463
What can Registeel do better than from Mawile or Metagross, anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:31:23 No.22532555 Report

Quoted By:

>>22532463
Use pastebin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:36:11 No.22532624 Report

Quoted By: >>22532683

>>22532510
Really like Registeel and actually found a shiny one when sr for it.
Thought I would build a team around it. Plus its a pokemon that you woudlnt normally see being used which I really like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:37:09 No.22532634 Report

Quoted By:

>>22532463
Your Hydreigon is upsetting.
>Bold
>U-turn
>Thunder Wave

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:37:44 No.22532647 Report

Quoted By: >>22532725

>>22532463
agreed with this anon >>22532510
also why is clawitzer sassy as opposed to bold or calm when you're not running trick room? for hydreigon i would suggest flamethrower/fire blast over uturn and protect over t wave. and what the hell is up with its nature/evs? if you're running life orb on a fast-ish mon like hydreigon you should be running speed and special attack with a modest/timid nature. if you want a defensive status spreader, hydreigon is not the best choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:40:02 No.22532683 Report

Quoted By:

>>22532624
Registeel kinda really sucks.
Why Clawtizer? It doesn't add anything to your team. Even Mega Blastoise would be better, since you don't have a mega.
Chandelure could run Sash and set up TR, since you have 3 slow mons and I doubt you want to change them for something else better
That Hydreigon set is terrible.
Rotom could use Tbolt instead of Volt Switch, since it wants to stay in the field. That's why you gave it ChestoResto, right?
Terrakion is ok.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:41:37 No.22532705 Report

Quoted By:

>>22532463
>these names
>this lack of pastebin
>using a regi
>these all over the place EVs
>life orb on a support special attacker with bulk EVs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:42:48 No.22532725 Report

Quoted By: >>22532829

>>22532647
Clawitzer worked well on my trick room team so thought I would try it on this team and it worked well most times. Would like to change its defensive evs tho.

As for hydreigon It was a support set that I changed a bit. Was going to make it an assault vest set but changed to status support when i saw how common sylveon was and a moonblast would not be fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:49:44 No.22532829 Report

Quoted By: >>22532844

>>22532725
sylveon is going to beat hydreigon no matter what it's running. investing in physical defense when sylveon is a special attacker won't help at all. not trying to be rude or anything but if you want advice, definitely ditch that set as soon as possible

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:51:25 No.22532844 Report

Quoted By:

>>22532829
Just added it in as a filler set tbh. Never really got much use from it.

How useful is heal bell/calm mind set on gardevoir.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:56:32 No.22532898 Report

Quoted By: >>22532920 >>22532998

http://pastebin.com/qkHPyC6a

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 22:58:44 No.22532920 Report

Quoted By:

>>22532898
Whimsicott is meant to be Timid, fixed that already

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:04:39 No.22532998 Report

Quoted By: >>22534094

>>22532898
off the bat: your team is really really frail for the most part which can limit switch in opportunities. also you shouldn't be running max speed on azumarill, most of that investment should be in HP

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:09:56 No.22533063 Report

Quoted By:

Looking for rates, this is all theory right now but I want to make sure I'm not missing anything before testing.

http://pastebin.com/QJZnVQdR

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:22:47 No.22533162 Report

Quoted By: >>22533205 >>22533243 >>22533339

>use thundurus for speed control
>constantly feel bad when someone gets fully par'd then it completely changes the game around

holy fuck this bothers me way too much, especially when my opponent is better than me

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:28:06 No.22533205 Report

Quoted By:

>>22533162
No need to feel bad, just think of it as evening the gap, personally I always pair thunderwave with strong rock slide users for full faggotry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:30:40 No.22533231 Report

Quoted By: >>22533245

Moved my team around a bit.
Removed clawitzer and hydraggin and replaced them with Porygon2 and (Mega)Gyarados.
Also added in a replacement Metagross set for Registeel if I want to change it about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:31:58 No.22533243 Report

Quoted By:

>>22533162
eh if it's in the game and legal, why not use/abuse it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:32:14 No.22533245 Report

Quoted By: >>22533370

>>22533231
forgot pastebin
http://pastebin.com/VbFn8trJ

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:43:51 No.22533339 Report

Quoted By: >>22533351

>>22533162
Thund is just pure cancer but if it works than use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:45:58 No.22533351 Report

Quoted By: >>22533365 >>22533418

>>22533339
Yeah, I find it a bigger pain to deal with than Lando-T. Why is Lando-T higher in usage?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:47:34 No.22533365 Report

Quoted By: >>22533418

>>22533351
Intimidate, muh kang, good eq+rock slide spammer, good offensive movepool etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:48:03 No.22533370 Report

Quoted By:

>>22533245
Drop T-Wave on M-Gyarados, thing is built for destruction not support, even Taunt is sketchy but does have it's uses.

Pory-2 doesn't need 3 straight up attacks, it'll probably never get to use them all. Drop one of them for speed control, Pory2 has a shitload of them from Icy Wind to Electro Web to Trick Room or T-Wave.

Try fit Bullet Punch somewhere, having a decent priority and not using it is a disservice when Meta is slow as it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:51:41 No.22533402 Report

Quoted By:

>>22527558
yes, u can do w/e u want

never used u turn on greninja in vgc tho so idk how it will pan out

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Jan 2015 23:53:28 No.22533418 Report

Quoted By:

>>22533351
Don't get me wrong, I think all the genies are cancer they're one thing I wish they didn't allow back into the format they're all built in such a stupid way that they'll always dictate the flow of a game.

As for specifically Land-T everything >>22533365 mentioned but also it's just built in a ridiculously optimal way it can use multiple items and also act a pivot too.

At the same time if you're a clever player it's also an advantage because it's so damn good almost nobody will leave it behind. So if you have a solid way to counter it than that is most opening turns in the bag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:00:40 No.22533490 Report

Quoted By:

>>22532485
easily my favorite mon in the new format, having the clear body option before mega is so useful as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:05:25 No.22533526 Report

Quoted By:

Getting really close to my final team.
Kept the bulky ev spread on gyarados and gave it a good moveset.
Icy wind on porygon for speed control over luck on tri attack.
Opted out of priority as I can find anywhere to slot it on my team.
Could swap ice punch on metagross for bullet punch. But so far its been a really good team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:16:03 No.22533624 Report

Quoted By: >>22533678 >>22533679 >>22533862 >>22533878 >>22533907

I just lost to a random nip using Flame Body Talonflame. Threw up a Quick Guard and the thing blasted through and KO'd my Mega Gardevoir.

Who even runs that??

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:24:11 No.22533678 Report

Quoted By: >>22533940

>>22533624
People who don't really know what they're doing.
To be fair, I once used a Flame Body Chandelure without realising for about ten matches before it got hit with fire. Talonflame is so fast that it's surprising how infrequently Gale Wings matters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:24:15 No.22533679 Report

Quoted By: >>22533776 >>22533800

>>22533624
I got trolled by a Fake Out/Fling/Kings Rock/Covet Ambipom.
Not used to seeing ambipom on doubles so I was curious to its full moveset.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:37:05 No.22533773 Report

Quoted By: >>22533784

i just started playing VGC yesterday so I'm still learning the meta so sorry if this is a dumb question

but can wide guard be spammed, or does it work like protect?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:37:29 No.22533776 Report

Quoted By:

>>22533679
I loved Fling King's Rock in Gen 5.
Especially how many people thought their ghost types were safe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:38:30 No.22533784 Report

Quoted By: >>22533795 >>22533797

>>22533773
Yes, it can be spammed. Fantastic counter to Specs Sylveon since it can't switch moves, as long as your other Pokémon is free to deal with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:39:56 No.22533795 Report

Quoted By: >>22533800 >>22533811 >>22533815 >>22533831

>>22533784
>If used in succession with other protection moves, it has a 50% chance success rate.
why the disinfo man

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:40:15 No.22533797 Report

Quoted By:

>>22533784
Appreciate it bro, almost just lost a battle because I assumed it worked similar to protect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:40:57 No.22533800 Report

Quoted By: >>22533895

>>22533679
FakeOut/Fling/Encore Raichu is also pretty fun.

>>22533795
Where did you saw that

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:41:33 No.22533811 Report

Quoted By: >>22533895

>>22533795
Not in gen 6. It does decrease the probability of successive protect/king's shield/etc though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:42:09 No.22533815 Report

Quoted By: >>22533895

>>22533795
That's only if you use it directly after or before protect. As of gen 6, Wide Guard on its own can't fail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:43:01 No.22533831 Report

Quoted By: >>22533878 >>22533895

I've seen a few at tournaments, from good players as well.

>>22533795
That sounds like 5th gen info. Wide Guard and Quick Guard (maybe Crafty Shield as well) always have a 100% success rate, but their use does add to the protect counter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:46:22 No.22533862 Report

Quoted By:

>>22533624
I've had a Kangaskhan get burned when it Faked Out a Talonflame before.
Hurts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:48:20 No.22533878 Report

Quoted By:

>>22533831
The first part was meant to be replying to >>22533624

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:51:17 No.22533895 Report

Quoted By:

>>22533800
>>22533811
>>22533815
>>22533831
yeah upon further review, i am wrong
quill me

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:52:56 No.22533907 Report

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>>22533624
i thought flame body was the way to go
wtf

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 00:57:30 No.22533940 Report

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>>22533678
it only matters against other priority users lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 01:17:58 No.22534094 Report

Quoted By: >>22534106

>>22532998
Sure. What spread would you recommend for Azu? I'm used to running Sylveon for Fairy coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 01:20:02 No.22534106 Report

Quoted By: >>22534187 >>22534216

>>22534094
You could keep the same set and max out hp.
I could suggest a belly drum set but I dont know how well it works in vgc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 01:30:28 No.22534187 Report

Quoted By: >>22534216

>>22534106
belly drum azu is standard in vgc
bd/aqua jet/play rough/protect with sitrus

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 01:33:04 No.22534216 Report

Quoted By: >>22534271

>>22534106
>>22534187
Cheers
Fey (Azumarill) (F) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Huge Power
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Aqua Jet
- Play Rough
- Belly Drum
- Protect

Speed (Mienshao) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- U-turn
- Drain Punch
- Taunt

Azu used to have Assault Vest, Meinshao used to have Sitrus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 01:36:47 No.22534271 Report

Quoted By: >>22534402

>>22534216
>leftovers on something that frail
literally why

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 01:37:10 No.22534274 Report

Quoted By: >>22534315 >>22534321

Is terrakion good in VGC? Thinking of putting him on my team since he deals with rotom-h who my team struggles with otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 01:40:00 No.22534315 Report

Quoted By: >>22534418 >>22534863

>>22534274
Sure, it's good and fun. Aside from Rock Slide you can use Double Kick to beat Bisharp or Taunt to fuck over Amoonguss and stop Trick Room users or even Quickguard to surprise dem Kangaskhan or Talonflame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 01:40:29 No.22534321 Report

Quoted By: >>22534863

>>22534274
Yes, it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 01:47:04 No.22534402 Report

Quoted By: >>22534406

>>22534271
What do you suggest, then

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 01:47:31 No.22534406 Report

Quoted By: >>22534445

>>22534402
Sash?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 01:48:21 No.22534418 Report

Quoted By: >>22534460

>>22534315
>Double Kick
That's interesting at least. I guess you're using it to bypass Chople Berry and Focus Sash?
It's so much weaker than Close Combat though
252 Atk Life Orb Terrakion Double Kick (2 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 130-162 (71.8 - 89.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 01:50:14 No.22534445 Report

Quoted By: >>22534466 >>22534505

>>22534406
Current team http://pastebin.com/xq21UNzH
Running Sash on Whimsicott presently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 01:51:41 No.22534460 Report

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>>22534418
the idea is you use it alongside close combat to bypass sash smeargle/bisharp. so your moveset is cc/rock slide/protect/double kick

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 01:52:07 No.22534466 Report

Quoted By:

I'll create a new general when this one hits page 4.

>>22534445
Uh, Expert Belt? I can't think of anything else that adds offense and hasn't been used yet. Your team is frail as fuck too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 01:55:06 No.22534505 Report

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>>22534445
And honestly? Your set kinda sucks and Infernape would be waaay better. Faster Fake Out and Taunt, CC for a stronger STAB, Overheat to deal with Mawile and Metagross. It also has a wider movepool with Encore and a bunch of coverage moves. U-Turn kinda sucks too in VGC tbh, only scarfed mons use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 02:17:02 No.22534786 Report

Quoted By: >>22534897

NEW THREAD:
>>22534770
>>22534770
>>22534770
>>22534770
fuck this extension I'm using, had to disable it to create a new thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 02:24:43 No.22534863 Report

Quoted By:

>>22534315
>>22534321
What would be the preferred item on him? I'm leaning towards band for the immediate power but I've also looked up on nugget bridge most people run lum or sash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 02:28:06 No.22534897 Report

Quoted By: >>22534913

>>22534786
This thread'll still be up in 5 hours, why make a new one when we are no where near the image limit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Jan 2015 02:29:36 No.22534913 Report

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>>22534897
people make new threads as soon as it hits 300 posts because it starts autosaging, but honestly it could wait until it gets further down in the catalog

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