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VGC General Sun 18 Jan 2015 02:00:38 No.22565241 View View Reply Original Report

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Resources:

>Sites
nuggetbridge.com
eggyemporium.com (Wolfe Glick and Markus Stadter's VGC blog)
http://www.oldmanvgc.com/ (jap meta site, has English translations)

>YouTube channels
http://pastebin.com/kKEpQSUN (embed)
http://nuggetbridge.com/forums/topic/8765-pokemon-vgc-youtube-resources/

>Helpful links and articles
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/an-early-vgc-2015-metagame-overview/
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/vgc-15-pokemon-speed-tiers/
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/flawless-bust-catch-perfect-legendary-pokemon-omega-ruby-alpha-sapphire/
http://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/battle/oras/#double (usage stats and recommendations)
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/defend-yourself-with-a-question/ (how to stop playing like a fag)
https://gamut-was-taken.github.io/ (ORAS damage calc)

Old thread: >>22534770 (Cross-thread)

ToTT: What is the weirdest/worst gimmick you've seen actually work?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 02:02:10 No.22565259 Report

Quoted By: >>22565270 >>22565276 >>22565389 >>22565580 >>22567320 >>22569327

Daily reminder that smogon metagames are not luck based and therefore better in every way.

VGC General

VGC General Sun 18 Jan 2015 02:04:02 No.22565270 Report

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>>22565259
>not luck based
but pokemon itself is luck based, and a lot of singles matches still come down to random hax, damage rolls, and critical hits.
If you want it to be 100% skill based, try chess.
>not playing both smogon and vgc

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 02:05:12 No.22565276 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 02:23:00 No.22565389 Report

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>>22565259

>not on cart
>cant get money or recognition for being good
>all you can get is e-peen
>"having fun the wrong way"
>denies luck(tries to) while keeping many luck factors

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 02:50:20 No.22565580 Report

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>>22565259
hey thanks for starting off the thread with this b8, i'm sure you're beaming with pride right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 02:54:37 No.22565622 Report

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Tomorrow I'll go to my country's capital to see the final match of the first Open Tournament taking place here. The winner will go to Worlds.

Meanwhile, I'm still trying to catch a Bold 0IV Speed Cresselia >>22563288

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 06:14:20 No.22567289 Report

Quoted By: >>22567338 >>22567580 >>22568157

should i even bother with vgc and such if i don't have perfect iv, egg move ect mons? i love wifi battling and want to do more of it, but is it just a stomping ground of minmaxed teams?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 06:18:09 No.22567320 Report

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>>22565259
has anyone noticed that for the past week or so this has actually been posted daily

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 06:20:51 No.22567338 Report

Quoted By: >>22567580

>>22567289
>minmaxed
Most teams aren't minmaxed but rather each pokemon is bred and EV'd to survive certain hits or to K.O certain mons. Minmaxxing is more just the standard 252 atk/252 spe/4 Hp shit.
If you don't want to breed mons or put egg moves on them when it's extremely easy in these games to do so, then don't expect many wins if you aren't going to put in the slight effort it takes to create a team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 07:03:00 No.22567580 Report

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>>22567338
>>22567289

honestly, it's become a lot easier to breed perfect pokemon in this gen. It was a big deterrent for me in gen 5 and 4 but not it feels like a breeze.

Make sure someone gives you a perfect ditto though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 08:45:51 No.22568157 Report

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>>22567289
The minmaxed ones are not as scary as compared to the optimized jap versions, fuckers live every strong hit supposed to kill

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 11:43:25 No.22568823 Report

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>>22565389
>implying scholarships are real money

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 12:40:22 No.22569000 Report

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>>22568823
Most of the people I know who've qualified for VGC worlds before have already graduated university. Is there even any way for them to get the scholarship? Can it pay off student loans or something?

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 13:32:02 No.22569183 Report

Quoted By: >>22569195 >>22569210 >>22569229 >>22569261 >>22573492

That fucking feel when you make god tier plays to make a comeback after thinking you've lost

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 13:34:23 No.22569195 Report

Quoted By: >>22569210 >>22569229 >>22573492

>>22569183
>tfw you make god tier plays to make a comeback
>tfw attacks miss, you get flinched or fully para'd, making your prediction/play useless

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 13:38:48 No.22569210 Report

Quoted By: >>22569225 >>22569229 >>22573492

>>22569195
>>22569183
>tfw you think you have the game in the bag and go for the safe and obvious play, but your opponent has a move/item/anything you didn't expect and suddenly the game becomes very close

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 13:41:34 No.22569225 Report

Quoted By: >>22569229 >>22573492

>>22569210
>tfw when something happens

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 13:43:01 No.22569229 Report

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FEEL RANKINGS

BEST FEEL
>>22569183

PUMPED UP FEEL
>>22569210

WORST FEEL
>>22569195

FEEL
>>22569225

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 13:53:30 No.22569261 Report

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>>22569183
>VGC
>any god tier plays
lel, next you're going to say it takes skill just to predict another protect spam

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 14:13:53 No.22569327 Report

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>>22565259
>smogon metagames are not luck based

Yes they are. Nice meme, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 14:54:56 No.22569544 Report

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Altaria-Mega @ Altarianite
Ability: Pixilate
Level: 50
EVs: 100 HP / 68 Def / 156 SpA / 184 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Fire Blast
- Tailwind
- Roost

outspeeds adamant max speed bisharp, survives a adamant m-mence double edge and ohkos it

fuck explaining the rest tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 14:57:25 No.22569564 Report

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>almost 1500 on the PS ladder (actually 1488, kek)
>choke my way to 1300 in a ridiculous losing streak
>desperatley climb back to 1430 with like a thousand matches
does it happen to you too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 15:20:44 No.22569694 Report

Quoted By: >>22569700 >>22569701 >>22569889

uhhh, I thought the Perish Song user lost if everyone gets KOd on the final turn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 15:22:05 No.22569700 Report

Quoted By: >>22569715 >>22569889

>>22569694
the last pokemon who goes down (i.e. the slowest) is the winning one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 15:22:08 No.22569701 Report

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>>22569694
No, the pokemon die according to there speed stats and the user of the last, slowest, pokemon to faint wins.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 15:24:25 No.22569712 Report

Quoted By: >>22569811

>Nearest Premier Event is in Dublin
>In another fucking country
>The ones that are in my country are over 200 miles away
>Travel costs stopping me going.

Guess this is another year I can't go. Why you gotta hate England VGC?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 15:24:42 No.22569715 Report

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>>22569700
>>22569701
That's bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 15:27:36 No.22569728 Report

Quoted By: >>22569781

>>22569701
If you die due to your own recoil, like Double-Edge, you win. If you intentionally die, like via Perish song, you lose

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 15:35:54 No.22569781 Report

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>>22569728
>If you intentionally die, like via Perish song, you lose
Well apparently Perish Song is an exception because that's not what just happened to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 15:41:09 No.22569811 Report

Quoted By: >>22569867

>>22569712
I think I heard word of events in Yorkshire and general midlands being organised, or at least having approved TOs to organise them. The last two nationals were in Birmingham and Manchester so your great distance from the south heavy events would put you much closer to the biggest event if they choose the second cities again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 15:49:02 No.22569867 Report

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>>22569811
That's cool. But I hope to compete in worlds, since Pokemon is like the only thing I'm good at. I'm trying to avoid putting all my eggs in one basket by relying purely on Nationals for CP. i suppose I'll just have to go for it and hope for the best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 15:51:58 No.22569889 Report

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>>22569694
>>22569700
>>22569701
Abusing perish song in that 3v3 doubles no team preview battle spot tournament last year was fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 16:37:08 No.22570243 Report

Quoted By: >>22570289 >>22570318

Can you guys help me with my team?

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2015-203638352

Right now I'm using the following (last two are fillers, don't know what to put):

http://pastebin.com/dKQYUYkC

I'm thinking of switching the Sitrus Berry to Meowstic and giving Suicune a Leftovers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 16:44:21 No.22570289 Report

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>>22570243
>Suicune without speed control
>SD Gallade
>Noivern
>248HP on spreads

you're going to need to explain more half of this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 16:49:39 No.22570318 Report

Quoted By: >>22570506

>>22570243
That Suicune set looks interesting, but give it lefties over sitrus.

Protect over drain punch on Gallade, make it max speed not bulky.

Crobat is better than Noivern at doing that set, give Crobat more offensive evs.

Put bulky evs on Meowstic

Remove flare blitz/overheat and uturn on Talonflame, give it 2 of these moves: wow, protect, quick guard. Don't give it so much speed and make it a nature that lets you utilize your special attack if you're using overheat.

Lando probably prefers Adamant if scarf.

Just my quick overview. tbh your team doesn't look great, but it's a start (I'm guessing you're new at vgc).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 17:14:45 No.22570506 Report

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>>22570318
Thanks for the help. Yes, I am giving this a try for the first time. I need to read more into it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 18:27:23 No.22571127 Report

Quoted By: >>22571259

Can anyone help me out rating this team?
Thinking of switching life orb to sash on Bisharp.

http://pastebin.com/AjRnLyPr

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 18:41:43 No.22571259 Report

Quoted By: >>22571299

>>22571127
are you sure those EVs are right on hydreigon, zapdos & amoonguss? they all add up to 510. there are also 4 wasted EVs in speed on your sylveon, would suggest moving em to spdef.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 18:45:52 No.22571299 Report

Quoted By: >>22571325

>>22571259
510 is the max

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 18:48:15 No.22571325 Report

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>>22571299
not letting me do the amoonguss spread on showdown teambuilder, caps off the spdef at 170

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 18:51:56 No.22571354 Report

Quoted By: >>22571401 >>22571607 >>22571657

>have cleaning lady come to my house weekly
>she brings her son because its school holidays
>he has as
>is currently trying to breed a shiny noibat
I asked him if he's breeding for IVs, if he has the shiny charm, and if he's using the MM, all were no.
I wanted to battle him but I knew my team would crush his
his loli sister is cute though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 18:54:53 No.22571401 Report

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>>22571354
nice blog

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 19:18:27 No.22571607 Report

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>>22571354
why didn't you teach him

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 19:25:12 No.22571657 Report

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>>22571354
>http://nuggetbridge.com/forums/topic/1153-building-successful-vgc-teams-for-juniors/
Teach him how to beat scrubs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 19:47:05 No.22571869 Report

Quoted By: >>22572046

New report on nuggetbridge: http://nuggetbridge.com/reports/last-chance-lets-close-combats-seniors-lcq-report/

Sawk is a really interesting choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 19:48:40 No.22571879 Report

Quoted By: >>22571927 >>22572024

Daily reminder that VGC fags are all crybabies that have to ban phione because they don't know how to counter it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 19:54:34 No.22571927 Report

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>>22571879
lol upboat sm0g rules

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 20:04:09 No.22572024 Report

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>>22571879
Yeah, Smogon totally didn't do this with Aegislash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 20:06:26 No.22572046 Report

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>>22571869
>2014
meh

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 20:07:13 No.22572055 Report

Quoted By: >>22572098

It'd be really cool if people could stop with Smogon vs. VGC dickwaving contests here. If you see an obviously inflammatory bait post, report it and move on. Don't argue, don't shitpost about how much better you think VGC is than smogon.
Just report and hide.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 20:11:58 No.22572098 Report

Quoted By: >>22572123 >>22572173

>>22572055
The smogon fags will think they have won if you do that. VGC is better because more things are viable in it.
This game was made for doubles and thats why we have so many moves that are useless in singles like wide guard and heal pulse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 20:13:39 No.22572123 Report

Quoted By: >>22572185

>>22572098
you're literally still arguing this shit
if you keep responding to their bait it makes them keep going
if you ignore them, they'll go somewhere that gets mad when they post

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 20:17:32 No.22572173 Report

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>>22572098
stop being underage and just let people like what they like. by the way, there are plenty of moves (& pokemon as well) that are useful in singles & shitty in doubles as well. this is coming from someone who just plays vgc so inb4 smogonfag hurr durr

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 20:18:06 No.22572180 Report

Quoted By: >>22572242

>calculate my spreads so that I can survive the stronk hits of this meta and hit back
>crits flying everywhere
FUCK CRITS. I FUCKING MAD. I get that pokemon is also about luck and taking risks, and that's why I don't get mad when rock slide misses on my side and gets flinches for my opponent, or when my Overheat misses at the wrong time, because those are odds I knew. Crits are fucking jerks and take out all of the skill and fun from pokemon. You play safe with defensive sets, intimidate et cetera, just to get fucked in the ass by that random chance of a hit completely bypassing your strategy.
tl;dr: FUCK CRITICAL HITS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 20:18:35 No.22572185 Report

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>>22572123
How will they know how wrong they are though?
VGC was made by nintendo and they know more about the metagame than any unofficial fan site.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 20:25:16 No.22572242 Report

Quoted By: >>22572338

>>22572180
Crits are needed to balance setting up bulk. How else are you going to deal with toxic wow stall +6 def sdef pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 20:25:56 No.22572250 Report

Quoted By: >>22572274

Why do tournaments and ladders have completely different common pokemon?

All I ever see on battle spot is kanga after kanga yet I hardly see any during tournaments. Vice versa with m-venusaur.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 20:28:15 No.22572274 Report

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>>22572250
everyone in actual tours are trying to outmeta everyone else
everyone online are using the strongest pokemon available

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 20:33:17 No.22572338 Report

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>>22572242
defensive set up isn't really a thing in VGC, and you can deal with it in other ways

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:17:51 No.22572805 Report

Quoted By: >>22572829 >>22572856

So I've just broke 1400 on the showdown ladder, but I need something with good ground coverage?

http://pastebin.com/2UE6A5y4
I don't know what to use though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:19:52 No.22572829 Report

Quoted By: >>22572913

>>22572805
you're using landorus, so I'm not sure what you mean by "good ground coverage"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:22:23 No.22572856 Report

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>>22572805
one thing i'm noticing is you only have one ground immunity & both bishrap/metagross are weak to it so you can't eq freely with lando.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:23:21 No.22572871 Report

Quoted By: >>22572885

Fey (Whimsicott) (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 28 SpA / 4 SpD / 220 Spe
Timid Nature
- Moonblast
- Encore
- Taunt
- Tailwind

Need help with her EVs.
HP: Bulk
Def, SpD: Cheap investment to grant extra resistance, inefficient to put tonnes into it
SpA: I didn't run any numbers but grants extra Moonblast damage
Spe: Outspeeds Thundurus and unboosted Talonflame

I feel as though I'm doing something wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:25:03 No.22572885 Report

Quoted By: >>22572954

>>22572871
>sash with bulk
for what purpose
if you want to run bulk, you could attempt sitrus berry or mental herb
else you should be running max special attack+max speed
i see no purpose in using all of those hp evs if it's guaranteed to be 2hko'd by anything anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:27:30 No.22572913 Report

Quoted By: >>22572971

>>22572829
I find that relying on Lando 99% of the time ends up with me making shaky plays on whether I really want to lock myself into Protect when Sylveon, Bisharp, Megagross or Amoonguss get hit pretty badly by it

In short, I need a way that can reliably fuck Heatran over, I'm thinking Conkeldurr as it doesn't get screwed by it and can abuse Heat Wave burns. And it doesn't need a spread move to kill it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:31:29 No.22572954 Report

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>>22572885
So just swap to 252SpA 252SpE 4Def/SpD?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:32:44 No.22572971 Report

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>>22572913
garchomp

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:35:12 No.22573002 Report

Quoted By: >>22573066 >>22573075

So I'm running a Suicune offensive set:

Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Level: 50
EVs: 132 HP/ 60 Def / 212 SpA / 92 SpD / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Protect
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Tailwind

Now my problem is that I've just learned about CroCune and since I want Suicune to be more of an attacker, I think I'd like to try out Calm Mind but my team also really enjoys the tailwind support and the other three moves are essential staples so I have no idea on what I want to do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:39:33 No.22573066 Report

Quoted By: >>22573117

>>22573002
Swap out Tailwind for Calm Mind and delegate Tailwind to a Talonflame or Whimsicott. I would go with the latter, personally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:40:20 No.22573075 Report

Quoted By: >>22573117

>>22573002
crocune (as in sleep talk/rest/cm/scald) would not be good in dubs because sleep talk in general isn't great
if you mean resto/chesto, that could be ok, but honestly i prefer tailwind just because it's a really good user of the move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:43:49 No.22573117 Report

Quoted By: >>22573122 >>22573189

>>22573075
I was thinking more along the lines of Scald/CM/Ice Beam/Protect

>>22573066
I'm not using Whimsicott or Talonflame on my team and my team is pretty much set, I just wanted opinions on whether Tailwind or CM was better

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:44:18 No.22573122 Report

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>>22573117
go tailwind imo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:48:34 No.22573164 Report

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>player wins with paralyze procs
epic :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:52:04 No.22573188 Report

Quoted By: >>22573196 >>22573202 >>22573221 >>22573295

Hey I have a strategy question. I'm thinking of doing a Sand-Room team but I'm uncertain who should be my TR setter. I'm not sure if I should go for someone immune to Sand or just give someone like Reuniculus some Safety Goggles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:52:17 No.22573189 Report

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>>22573117
if you have no other speed control, tailwind is definitely better

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:53:04 No.22573196 Report

Quoted By: >>22573221

>>22573188
IMO the best TR setters are those that can't get fak out'd.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:53:29 No.22573202 Report

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>>22573188
Why SandRoom? In what way would you benefit of it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 21:56:14 No.22573221 Report

Quoted By: >>22573295

>>22573188
why would you give reuniclus safety goggles? it's already immune to sand
although i wouldn't use reuniclus because it gets destroyed by bisharp and cres is generally better
>>22573196
this would limit you to ghost types and pokemon with inner focus, and that pretty much means trevenant, gourgeist, cofagrigus, chandelure, dusclops, jellicent, or gengar
out of those the only one that's been actually good (as a trick room setter, at least) this season has been jellicent
if you use the ability to dodge fake out as your criteria you're ignoring the best trick room setters in the meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 22:05:57 No.22573295 Report

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>>22573188
>>22573221
Reuniclus, Cresselia and Jellicent are almost undeniably the best Trick Room setters in the meta right now.
Reuniclus is the most powerful attacker of the three, with 125 SpA and the ability to hold Life Orb without taking recoil damage because of its ability. It also isn't hurt by sand. It's also the slowest
Cresselia is the bulkiest of the three by quite a long way. It gets some nice support options like Helping Hand, Icy Wind and Skill Swap (although Reuniclus does too)
Jellicent isn't as bulky as the other two and not quite as powerful as Reuniclus, but its typing lets it avoid Fake Out which is handy, and having water/ice coverage is always handy.

Personally I used Slowking on my Trick Room team, since Oblivious makes him immune to Taunt, but that was mostly because Cresselia wasn't legal last year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 22:09:18 No.22573326 Report

Quoted By: >>22573352 >>22573358 >>22573386 >>22573388

http://pastebin.com/Hi0ec54Z
Rate my team. I have a tourney coming up soon and I've gone through a LOT of teams but I still can't decide on what to use. EV spreads are still not finalized, but will most likely be similar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 22:12:27 No.22573352 Report

Quoted By: >>22573374

>>22573326
>energy ball on gengar
>no speed control on the team
>no bulk outside of rotom

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 22:12:51 No.22573358 Report

Quoted By: >>22573374

>>22573326
any reason for energy ball on gengar over taunt/icy wind?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 22:14:00 No.22573374 Report

Quoted By: >>22573435 >>22573561

>>22573358
>>22573352
To deal with bulky waters better, especially Swampert. Also I noticed nobulk as soon as I posted that, any suggestions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 22:15:11 No.22573386 Report

Quoted By: >>22573468

>>22573326
either
>give gengar taunt over energy ball and give talon tailwind
or
>keep taunt on talon and give gengar icy wind
although i prefer taunt on gar because it can't get faked out unless scrappy kangaskhan and tailwind doesn't boost bisharp

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 22:15:16 No.22573388 Report

Quoted By: >>22573468

>>22573326
Gengar's moveset is kinda bad. It's more of a support mon than a full out attacker. Where's the Icy Wind, the Taunt, the Disable?

If you're using LO, consider mixed Talonflame, it's way better than a physical one. I also think Tailwind or Quick Guard would be better than Taunt on it.

Greninja looks ok, Expert Belt is kinda weird and it doesn't need it to get any KOs. I don't think it really fits your team, everything you're using is REALLY squishy.

Manectric is in a kinda bad spot right now since Landorus T exists and can outspeed it.

Scarf Mamoswine should be Jolly since it can outspeed max Speed Adamant Landorus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 22:19:04 No.22573435 Report

Quoted By: >>22573468

>>22573374
burning swampert is also good m8

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 22:21:08 No.22573464 Report

Quoted By: >>22573675

>mfw putting disable on kingdra
nobody EVER sees it coming

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 22:21:29 No.22573468 Report

Quoted By: >>22573745

>>22573386
>>22573388
What could I use to make the team more bulky?

>>22573435
You do not know the amount of special swampert I've seen lately.

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 22:23:32 No.22573492 Report

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>>22569225
>>22569210
>>22569195
>>22569183
>tfw just looking at Team Preview you know your opponents team counters yours in every possible way
>You play anyway, and you're in a position that if scald's burn lands, you can turn it around
>one chance to win
>scald doesn't burn
>lose

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 22:30:45 No.22573561 Report

Quoted By: >>22573583

>>22573374
Grass weaknesses aren't that huge right now. If you find yourself needing the grass, at least go for Giga Drain. It's only five less power and the healing will come in handy more often than that power will.

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 22:32:54 No.22573583 Report

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>>22573561
15 less power, not 5.

252 SpA Gengar Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Swampert: 188-224 (90.8 - 108.2%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

252 SpA Gengar Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Swampert: 224-268 (108.2 - 129.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 22:44:36 No.22573675 Report

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>>22573464
I remember this from BW2, It's like people don't like the power of Rain Boosted Life Orb Helping Hand hits from Kingdra, fast substitutes and Disables.

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 22:51:23 No.22573745 Report

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>>22573468
Use another mega instead of Manectric.
Hydreigon would be better than Mamoswine too if you want to keep Greninja.
You could also use a Hydreigon or a Garchomp, they're not exactly bulky but they're bulkier than what you have and can deal a lot of damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 23:19:18 No.22573990 Report

Quoted By: >>22574186

What's a good spread for an Assault Vest Conkeldurr? I remember there was one that could survive a Charizard Y's Heat Wave but I can't find it anywhere.

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 23:39:33 No.22574186 Report

Quoted By: >>22574228

>>22573990
228 spdef to survive overheat in the sun. You don't need anything to survive heat wave. Actually, playing around with the numbers, 12 hp and 204 spdef also survive overheat.

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 23:43:29 No.22574228 Report

Quoted By: >>22574246

>>22574186
That's way more than I'd be willing to use. Do you know of any good spreads for a modest Zapdos? The one I found is 252 HP/156 Def/100SDef, and it can balk Jolly Kanga Double Edge and Specs Draco Meteor.

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 23:45:03 No.22574246 Report

Quoted By: >>22574265

>>22574228
>way more than i'd be willing to use
what else are you using it for, speed?

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 23:46:44 No.22574265 Report

Quoted By: >>22574285

>>22574246
No, attack.

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 23:48:31 No.22574285 Report

Quoted By: >>22574300

>>22574265
you could still max attack if you're using that spread, though
i don't see the problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 23:49:58 No.22574300 Report

Quoted By: >>22574352

>>22574285
Can a 12 HP Conkeldurr take a hit from a Mega Kanga?

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 23:54:03 No.22574352 Report

Quoted By:

>>22574300
With the leftover 40 in defense, yes. Survives jolly double edge. You won't OHKO with drain punch anyway, so you could take some out of attack to survive adamant double edge.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 00:03:16 No.22574451 Report

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Anyone have any decent Zapdos spreads for modest? I'm going 252 HP/164 Def/68 Sp Att/4 Sp. Def/20 speed, but it seems a bit inefficient, somehow.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 00:17:38 No.22574586 Report

Quoted By: >>22574598 >>22576280

After three days SRing I finally got a Bold Cresselia with 0IV in Speed.

But guess what? This piece of SHIT have 4IV in Def and 6IV in SpDef. I got 31/31/4/31/6/0.

So, can somebody please use his/her Power Save and Max both Defenses?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 00:19:09 No.22574598 Report

Quoted By: >>22574629 >>22574659

>>22574586
>coming this far and succumbing to powersaves

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 00:24:01 No.22574629 Report

Quoted By: >>22574659

>>22574598
i agree
>not just powersaving from the beginning

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 00:27:27 No.22574659 Report

Quoted By: >>22574921 >>22576280

>>22574598
I succeeded with Thundurus and Landorus, and I still need to catch Heatran and Terrakion.

I'm looking for IVs too specific for Cresselia, pls.

Captcha: pwrsav

>>22574629
They don't sell Power Saves in my country, and I don't have a credit card to buy stuff from America.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 00:58:17 No.22574921 Report

Quoted By: >>22575005

>>22574659
Uh well, there should be a powersaves thread up, right? They're pretty helpful over there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 01:01:21 No.22574957 Report

Quoted By: >>22575033

damn, got a 31/28/31/x/31/31 adamant Entei? will that point bite me in the ass?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 01:04:32 No.22575005 Report

Quoted By: >>22575016 >>22575773

>>22574921
I actually wanted help from my VGC bros, but oh well...

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 01:05:15 No.22575016 Report

Quoted By:

>>22575005
>VGC
>bros
nah

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 01:06:42 No.22575033 Report

Quoted By: >>22575059

>>22574957
FLAWLESS OR BUST

run calcs, it may or may not significantly effect you

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 01:09:22 No.22575059 Report

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>>22575033
honestly i'll probably never gonna use it, so i'll stick to that, it's the best i got

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 01:46:11 No.22575388 Report

Quoted By: >>22575401 >>22575409 >>22575500

Given how they always tell us we can only use things obtainable during regular gameplay of XY/ORAS, shouldn't Dark Void be illegal on Smeargle, as it can't be sketched from anything other than Darkrai which does not appear on regular gameplay?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 01:47:40 No.22575401 Report

Quoted By: >>22575454

>>22575388
yeah, but they're idiots.
At least it makes a super shitmon viable because of a broken move. I don't like it, but it's kinda cool.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 01:48:57 No.22575409 Report

Quoted By: >>22575454

>>22575388

It's possible (but highly improbable) that you could Sketch the move from something calling Dark Void during Metronome.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 01:53:46 No.22575454 Report

Quoted By: >>22575465

>>22575401
yeah i was just thinking about that. i don't really mind the move
>>22575409
hmm that makes sense. are thousand arrows/waves legal as well, then?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 01:54:51 No.22575465 Report

Quoted By:

>>22575454
I don't think they can be used through metronome, can they?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 02:00:28 No.22575500 Report

Quoted By: >>22575580

>>22575388
Well you can use things like contrary serp which doesn't appear in a normal playthrough of xy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 02:08:22 No.22575563 Report

Quoted By: >>22575573 >>22575580

How do you get Dark Void on Smeargle in normal ORAS gameplay? He's part of the team I want to build.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 02:10:06 No.22575573 Report

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>>22575563
You need a mon that knows Dark Void. Delete every other move, find a Ditto. Ditto will transform into the pokemon, you switch out to smeargle and Sketch it.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 02:11:03 No.22575580 Report

Quoted By:

>>22575500
you can breed it though, which means that it's legal
idk how ice punch ttar was legal last season under their rules, though
it was event only
>>22575563
darkrai

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 02:34:50 No.22575773 Report

Quoted By:

>>22575005
Sorry nigga, I would help but I'm not free till 11AM EST tomorrow.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:35:04 No.22576280 Report

Quoted By:

>>22574586
>>22574659
nigga i would offer to help you but im only putting in my order in now and it can take up to 12 days to get to me

if you dont get anyone by that time ill help you

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:53:12 No.22577235 Report

Quoted By: >>22577589

gem release when
i want hawlucha to be at least usable
and before anyone says that they'll be annoying, remember that the boost was nerfed from 1.5x to 1.3x, so the equivalent of a life orb instead of specs.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:20:06 No.22577589 Report

Quoted By: >>22577614 >>22577632 >>22577828

>>22577235

I feel you. I wish some more HAs were available to, mainly because I want to use the doc

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:22:28 No.22577614 Report

Quoted By: >>22577632

>>22577589
while defiant tornadus would be fantastic, i honestly think that just flying gem would make him at least viable as an offensive tailwind setter

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:24:26 No.22577632 Report

Quoted By: >>22577723 >>22577757

>>22577589
>>22577614
>what is Pokémon Dream Radar

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:32:40 No.22577723 Report

Quoted By:

>>22577632
>What is Pentagon rule

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:35:04 No.22577757 Report

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>>22577632
>dream radar pokemon being at all relevant to vgc
or did you just join a random thread thinking you could show off your superior intellect?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:39:44 No.22577810 Report

Quoted By: >>22577857 >>22578529

http://pastebin.com/uRAvQ2N4

So this is the team I'm using currently, I dropped Terrakion for Conkeldurr because Terrakion is the weakest thing ever and Conkeldurr is much more bulkier. I'm testing LO on Bisharp and it seems to be alright so far. Grass Knot on Thundurus because my team otherwise gets destroyed by things like Gastrodon. Thoughts?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:41:07 No.22577828 Report

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>>22577589
>sheer force landorus will never be a thing again

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:44:42 No.22577857 Report

Quoted By: >>22578457

>>22577810
replace flamethrower on mence with fire blast
i honestly see no reason to run clefairy over clefable, and i'd definitely consider protect over heal pulse
i also dk why you're running grass knot on thundurus
replace rock slide on conkeldurr for either knock off or, if you really want the rock coverage, stone edge. rock slide will do piss poor damage and won't even get the benefit of flinches.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:48:01 No.22577883 Report

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Daily reminder that nintendo doesn't care about balance in VGC so it will never be better than smogon metagames.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:49:09 No.22577885 Report

Quoted By: >>22577918

So I'm going to make an Aegislash with Wide Guard, but item choice is a bit iffy at the moment. I wanted to go with Weakness Policy and set-up the EVs in such a way that could survive strong special attacks (not sure what to use as a benchmark though), but I've thought about using leftovers just to have some form of recovery. Which would be better if I'm using Wide Guard in lieu of Substitute?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:52:26 No.22577918 Report

Quoted By: >>22577971

>>22577885
leftovers is best if you're sub
life orb is best if you're wide guard
weakness policy is best if you're a shitter or if leftovers, wide guard, and literally any item that could play a better niche is already in use on your team and can't be changed out
if your opponent realizes that you're wp it's shit, if you're already low you die anyways and it's shit, and if it's bo3 it's still shit
weakness policy is a gimmick that really shouldn't be used unless you have an extremely good reason, imo.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 06:00:23 No.22577959 Report

Quoted By: >>22578027

Yo, I'm using Mega-Mom like a scumbag, but I just came to the realization that Jolly and Adamant enjoy using different movesets because tutors are a thing. What's the difference between Adamant and Jolly in terms of moveset, spreads, and what they try to accomplish?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 06:01:57 No.22577971 Report

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>>22577918
Life Orb? Seems a little out of place since Aegislash's bulk in shield is amazing and I don't want to wear it down, but I guess that's okay. What's the Magic Life Orb number? I was never that great at figuring it out for any mon.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 06:11:39 No.22578027 Report

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>>22577959
generally adamant will run a lot more bulk alongside protect, where jolly tend to run max attack max speed with fake out.
adamant pretty much always runs double edge, whereas jolly can run double edge (if you want the damage) or return (if you're afraid of recoil). I personally think that double edge is the way to go for either, but that's at least partially opinion.
Next slot is pretty much always sucker punch, with the occasional crunch thrown in (mostly by people who have no idea what they're doing) or ice punch (if your team has a huge amount of trouble with lando), but sucker punch is better imo because double edge still 2hkos landorus t.
Final slot is the one with the most variety. It's pretty much always a fighting move, drawing from the pool of power up punch, low kick, hammer arm, and drain punch. Power up punch is the most common and a very good utility move. It lacks the damage output of the others, but negating intimidate and getting a free +1 is able to turn a bad situation into a good one. Low kick is the best option if you want to output a lot of damage, as it hits most of the big threats (IE heatran and metagross) the hardest. Hammer arm is there if you're looking to try kang on a trick room team (and so I would advise that you run it with fake out to help your setter get tr up). Drain punch is far and away the worst option IMO, as it has not great damage output in return for healing you. People run it on bulky kang, but I don't think there's really any reason to use it over low kick.
I think that bulky adamant kang is a lot stronger in this meta because so many things outspeed it, and double edge is a fantastic option to make things disappear. I personally like protect over fake out, but if you're running less bulk I'd probably still go with the latter. Last slot is completely preference, although, as I said earlier, I'd advise against drain punch.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 07:10:59 No.22578457 Report

Quoted By: >>22578472 >>22578529 >>22578549 >>22578668

>>22577857
Flamethrower > Fire Blast because of accuracy

Clefairy > Clefable because friend guard and it has nearly the same bulk as clefable

Grass Knot on Thundurus because my team otherwise gets destroyed by things like Gastrodon

Once again, stone edge has a 1/5 chance of missing and I know I won't get the benefit of flinches but that doesn't bother me too much.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 07:14:40 No.22578472 Report

Quoted By: >>22578524

>>22578457

what can flamethrower 2hko that fire blast can ohko? Honest question

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 07:23:30 No.22578524 Report

Quoted By: >>22578617

>>22578472
it guarantees the OHKO on bisharp and ferrothorn, and it guarantees the 2hko on aegislash. Flamethrower doesn't.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 07:24:51 No.22578529 Report

Quoted By: >>22578861

>>22577810
>>22578457
I'd seriously consider a +speed nature on mence, if only to outspeed things like timid thundurus and the latis
also why are you reducing its physical defense, of all things? I understand that it's already very high, but you're giving up great bulk in one stat so it can have mediocre bulk in another

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 07:28:28 No.22578549 Report

Quoted By: >>22578861

>>22578457
I get that you're terrified of missing, but you need to accept that, at a certain level, pokemon is a game of chance, and gimping yourself in an effort to do better will only lower your chances of winning. Non-stab flamethrower doesn't do enough to justify its use except on a few pokemon, but most steel types would dislike fire blast significantly more.
Grass knot is justifiable, but clefairy has no offensive presence whatsoever, becomes useless when it gets knocked off, AND it gives up a potentially game saving item, all for an (admittedly very good) ability. It just doesn't seem worth it to me.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 07:42:29 No.22578617 Report

Quoted By: >>22578626 >>22578651

>>22578524

Flamethrower guarantees 97+% damage on Bisharp without bulk investment (so Bisharp is dead after LO damage). Fire Blast guarantees fuckall since it can miss completely and do nothing.
Remember, damage calcs mean nothing if you miss, and doing a bit of damage can soften up a mon for the rest of your team to KO. Missing doesn't let you do that.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 07:44:08 No.22578626 Report

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>>22578617
but doing 97% means fuckall if it means that bisharp gets to iron head your clefairy after that.
by your logic you should be using dragon pulse on mence over meteor.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 07:47:57 No.22578651 Report

Quoted By: >>22578745

>>22578617
100% chance to not kill is worse than an 80% chance to kill, at least in my opinion

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 07:51:20 No.22578668 Report

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>>22578457
If you use 204+ on Mence then Flamethrower has a 87.5% chance to OHKO 4/0 Bish, higher than Fire Blast. You need 236+ or more to get the guarantee, and I would recommend this higher investment if you're unwilling to change it completely to a DD mence which would work better with redirection support.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 08:02:56 No.22578745 Report

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>>22578651

But it's not, is my point. Using the guy's spread, Flamethrower's min damage is 97% (which always kills anyway if a LO Bisharp has hit anything) and its max damage will kill. With a little more investment you could have, say, a 90% chance to OHKO. This beats Fire Blast because a) the chance of OHKOing is higher when you factor in accuracy and b) the 10% chance will still result in an injured or KO'd Bisharp, whereas a missed Fire Blast will do nothing even to one on 1HP.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 08:26:48 No.22578861 Report

Quoted By:

>>22578549
In response to the Flamethrower vs Fire Blast, I'd rather hit my move and not OHKO than miss the move altogether.

If I were to use Clefable, what set would I use? I'm using Leftovers and Sitrus already and I don't know how much SpA investment I need or anything.

>>22578529
It's so I can survive HP Ice from Timid M-Manectric

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 08:32:24 No.22578888 Report

Quoted By: >>22578899

when does global link update the pokemon usage stats?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 08:34:33 No.22578899 Report

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>>22578888
once a week

nice quads

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:04:34 No.22581582 Report

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General is dead. I'll post a few spreads I've found that survive two things: Jolly Kanga DE and Specs/LO Hydreigon Draco Meteor and KOs 44HP Landorus T with Ice Beam if possible.
Bold Thundurus: survives the same shit as the one is Cybertron's stream: EVs: 252 HP / 44 Def / 36 SpA / 148 SpD / 28 Spe

Modest Zapdos: EVs: 252 HP / 100 Def / 156 SpD

Clefable: EVs: 252 HP / 108 Def / 88 SpA / 60 SpD

Calm Suicune: EVs: 252 HP / 60 Def / 108 SpA / 76 SpD / 12 Spe

Calm Politoed: EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 72 SpA / 48 SpD

This Naive Infernape KOs 4HP Kanga with Fake Out + Close Combat I think: EVs: 156 Atk / 100 SpA / 252 Spe

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:06:13 No.22581592 Report

Quoted By: >>22581602 >>22581613

Yesterday there was some talk about a spread for conkeldurr. I want to survive charY's overheat in the sun, or adamant kang's double edge. For that, I can use 12 HP, 108 Def, and 204 SpDef, for a total of 234 EVs. I could do the same with 236 HP and 84 SpDef (320 total), and that gives me a little more physical bulk too.

But what about drain punch? Is it better to have less or more HP to get a better result from the drain?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:07:53 No.22581602 Report

Quoted By: >>22581647

>>22581592
>for a total of 234

324, I mean.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:09:12 No.22581613 Report

Quoted By: >>22581633 >>22581681

>>22581592
I'd go with the first option, since it uses less EVs. It's better to have less HP for Drain Punch as well. I'm the anon btw.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:11:57 No.22581633 Report

Quoted By: >>22581647

>>22581613
the first option uses 4 more evs?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:13:15 No.22581647 Report

Quoted By:

>>22581633
lel I typed it before you posted >>22581602
I'd still go for the first option since it uses less HP EVs, which means Drain Punch heals more.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:16:27 No.22581681 Report

Quoted By: >>22581689

>>22581613
Yes, I was in that conversion too. I woke up in the middle of the night last night with the thought that, although you can't OHKO kang with drain punch, you can after double edge recoil.

I'll go with the first spread then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:18:16 No.22581689 Report

Quoted By:

>>22581681
Thanks for finding that spread, I'm going to use it as well.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:30:02 No.22581771 Report

Quoted By: >>22581776

are ORAS the only "competitive" games currently? or are they just bigger than x/y?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:30:33 No.22581776 Report

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>>22581771
the newest game is always the one used for vgc

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:35:43 No.22581816 Report

Quoted By: >>22581914 >>22581944

When trying to find good defensive EV spreads, should I always stick with Adamant Double-Edge Kang or is Jolly still really common? Because fuck Camerupt spreads, it gets destroyed by Kang unless you take a lot out of its Spa

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:43:30 No.22581914 Report

Quoted By: >>22581924

>>22581816
Jolly Double Edge is fine, since most Kangas are Jolly after all.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:44:40 No.22581924 Report

Quoted By:

>>22581914
the balance is shifting towards adamant, and I bet that at a tournament you'd mostly see adamant bulky kang.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:46:41 No.22581944 Report

Quoted By:

>>22581816
Taking "a lot" out of its SpAtk doesn't make much of a difference. 76 HP and 252 Def survives adamant double edge, with the leftover 180 in SpAtk. Earth power then does 62-74% to kang. With 252 in SpAtk, you do 65-77%. I can't speak for how common adamant or jolly is though. I just like to be safe.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:53:28 No.22582009 Report

Quoted By: >>22582110 >>22582116 >>22582134

So I'd like to build a team around my favorite new mega, Slowbro. In singles, he's pretty straightforward, Calm Mind, Rest/Slack Off, Scald, and Sleep Talk, Psyshock, or Iron Defense.
How do you run him in doubles? I'm guessing from his speed, that he's good with Trick Room? I don't have that much experience with it, considering how much of a gimmick it is in singles.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 19:04:38 No.22582110 Report

Quoted By: >>22583186

>>22582009
first off, slowbro is far from a gimmick in singles. It's a fantastic setup mon that can't be crit. Scald/CM/Psyshock/Slack off is really very good. Once it gets to +2, nothing is taking it down.
but as far as VGC goes, I haven't seen anyone really run it. Setup in general is less used in vgc, and, outside of setup, slowbro is pretty much inferior to the other two trick room megas (camerupt and abomasnow).
You could try, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 19:05:44 No.22582116 Report

Quoted By: >>22583186

>>22582009
It has an untauntable Trick Room, due to Oblivous pre-mega, so you could build around that, but Bisharp being everywhere does hurt it quite a bit though, since Sucker does like 50% on fully specially defensive. Even things like Sylveon really hurt it as even 252/232 Sassy sets take over 50% on good rolls

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 19:08:10 No.22582134 Report

Quoted By: >>22583186

>>22582009
I love Mega Slowbro, but I'm really struggling to see anything it can do much better than Cresselia, who wouldn't use up the mega slot.
The problem is how unbalanced its defences are; in singles, you can easily bring it in on a physical attacker, but in doubles you can't rely on only having to take one category of attack.
Water STAB and 130 base Special Attack is nice, but I'd worry about how it needs lots of investment to even guarantee taking things like CharY's Solarbeam and Thundurus's Thunderbolt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 19:54:50 No.22582525 Report

Quoted By: >>22582559

Anon with the Clefairy here from last night, the team went over some major changes thanks to you guys and some other suggestions

http://pastebin.com/DfNzWdnD

Currently I'm not too sold on Greninja because it is quite frail but I guess I'll just have to see how it goes. I'm using Rock Slide on Greninja because Conkeldurr is already my fighting type that I'm using and Gunk Shot has 80% accuracy. I'm thinking about using Ludicolo or Suicune instead. Thoughts?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 19:59:02 No.22582559 Report

Quoted By: >>22582627

>>22582525
Give Thundurus the Sitrus, it can't take too many hits without it. Grass Knot is also a fucking weird option, HP Ice hits way more mons for SE.
I think Greninja needs some Atk investment to KO what it needs to more reliably.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 20:09:20 No.22582627 Report

Quoted By: >>22582648

>>22582559
I get what you're saying with the Sitrus, but I think that as a Follow Me user, Clefable needs it a lot more. Maybe I should give it leftovers instead?

Grass Knot is to kill pesky water/grounds (mainly Gastrodon) that would otherwise wall my team. I understand it isn't the most mainstream option but it's what works for my team.

I do agree on the Greninja stuff though, I was thinking on the old OU set of 216 SpA / 40 Atk / 252 Speed, Naive nature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 20:11:52 No.22582648 Report

Quoted By: >>22582737

>>22582627
Rocky Helmet would work on Clefable just fine. Not all the Follow Me users need Sitrus.
I don't think there's walling in VGC, Salamence and anything else can easily KO a Gastrodon or a mega Swampert.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 20:13:50 No.22582670 Report

Quoted By: >>22582709

Why is /vgcg/ so close minded on different sets? Every time anyone posts a set that is not standard everybody tries to shut it down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 20:18:42 No.22582709 Report

Quoted By: >>22582739

>>22582670
Put simply, there's a reason that things become standard. There are obviously a lot of innovative, new sets that haven't been discovered yet. The problem is that the ones people suggest are usually objectively worse than an alternative. If Sejun Park came in and suggested Follow Me Pachirisu before worlds, we'd tell him it's a bad Pokémon and that he shouldn't use it, even though it has its niche.
If you're upset that we don't like your gimmick, feel free to use it, chances are it'll work okay. It's just that there really are very few gimmicks that turn out to be amazing.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 20:22:59 No.22582737 Report

Quoted By:

>>22582648
> Rocky Helmet on Clefable
pic related

I just prefer Grass Knot to HP Ice is all. Besides, I already have two ice users (Clefable and Greninja, though Clefable isn't much of an attacker) so I think I'll try the lefties on Thundurus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 20:23:47 No.22582739 Report

Quoted By: >>22582777

>>22582709
I've never posted any of my sets here, and I'm not that creative either, but I just wanted to express my opinion on most people who try to "fix" sets here.
Most recent example this guy 3 posts earlier who's using a grass knot Thundurus, which works perfectly for his team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 20:28:06 No.22582777 Report

Quoted By:

>>22582739
it's because, in general, grass knot is a worse option on thundurus than hp ice. If you have a reason to use it that's fine, but if you don't post the reasoning with the set then people will assume that you're just a bad who slapped it on for no reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 20:47:57 No.22582939 Report

Quoted By: >>22582949 >>22582952 >>22583046

Unaware or Magic Guard for Clefable?

I'm going to try it out, but I can't decide on what ability

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 20:49:43 No.22582949 Report

Quoted By: >>22583155 >>22583169

>>22582939
up to you, they each have their advantages. unaware means ignoring +2 kanga or a +1 m-mences boosts and magic guard means ignoring damage from burn and taking less damage from intimidated mons

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 20:50:21 No.22582952 Report

Quoted By: >>22583155

>>22582939
unaware
the negated damage could be nice, but it's not like you have to worry about toxic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 20:55:24 No.22582990 Report

Quoted By: >>22583003 >>22583058 >>22583062 >>22583848

Heatran gives me massive headaches. I also need a better way to deal with Kanga as Hitmontop ain't really doing the job.
Wat do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 20:57:07 No.22583003 Report

Quoted By:

>>22582990
Conkeldurr? Terrakion?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 21:02:13 No.22583046 Report

Quoted By: >>22583155

>>22582939
It's a difficult call. Setting up is rare in VGC, so Unaware will matter less often, and if you're not already using Life Orb, Magic Guard is great on it, but on the other hand, it can single-handedly stop Dragon Dance Salamence wrecking your team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 21:03:16 No.22583058 Report

Quoted By:

>>22582990
superpower landorus
or conk/terrakion/hariyama

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 21:03:28 No.22583062 Report

Quoted By:

>>22582990
Although I never use anything but Lum Berry or Focus Sash on it usually, it really sounds like you want a Rocky Helmet Garchomp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 21:12:31 No.22583155 Report

Quoted By:

>>22582949
>>22582952
>>22583046
What moveset should I look into running?

I'm thinking Ice Beam (for Lando), Follow Me, Protect and Helping Hand / Moonblast

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 21:14:02 No.22583169 Report

Quoted By: >>22583173 >>22583176 >>22583201

>>22582949
>less damage from intimidated mons
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Unaware only ignored positive boosts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 21:14:33 No.22583173 Report

Quoted By:

>>22583169
nope, it ignores all stat changes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 21:14:48 No.22583176 Report

Quoted By:

>>22583169
this is true

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 21:15:47 No.22583186 Report

Quoted By: >>22583327

>>22582110
I wasn't saying that Slowbro was a gimmick in singles, I was saying that Trick Room is a gimmick in singles. Fuck do I love Slowbro in singles, the dual boost set can only be stopped by opposing Calm Mind.

>>22582116
>>22582134
The main thing I had in mind, and it may just be me coming in with a Singles mindset, is to try and do Slowbro and Amoonguss together, I figured that Amoonguss has Rage Powder and the fastest sleep in Trick Room, and with its defensive synergy, it could support Slowbro really well?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 21:16:55 No.22583201 Report

Quoted By:

>>22583169
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/abilities/unaware

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 21:28:10 No.22583327 Report

Quoted By:

>>22583186
I can actually see that working. I fought two M-Slowbros in my most recent premier Challenge and KO'd them both with a single Solarbeam from CharY, but I really don't know how I'd deal with Amoonguss/Slowbro together; Amoonguss would be an easy kill, but that gives Slowbro at least one turn of setup.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 22:05:48 No.22583755 Report

Quoted By:

Today I'm going to start by BattleSpot adventure. Wish me luck!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 22:14:04 No.22583848 Report

Quoted By:

>>22582990
Rocky Helmet Hippowdon flips off both of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 22:15:37 No.22583869 Report

Quoted By: >>22583891 >>22583978

trying to go for 50 battles in the super doubles maison, any tips? leads are scarf lando/zard y and i have lo sylveon and specs hydreigon in the back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 22:17:15 No.22583891 Report

Quoted By: >>22583904 >>22583913

>>22583869
>not abusing mega salamence + 3 follow me users

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 22:17:53 No.22583904 Report

Quoted By: >>22583911

>>22583891
>Icy Wind

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 22:18:18 No.22583911 Report

Quoted By:

>>22583904
Use kang then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 22:18:29 No.22583913 Report

Quoted By:

>>22583891
>not abusing spread moves as much as possible to speed up the battling process

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 22:24:58 No.22583978 Report

Quoted By: >>22583990

>>22583869
Sounds like the sort of strategy that should work fine. I would consider replacing Sylveon with something faster though, usually you want to outspeed everything and kill things before they can attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 22:26:16 No.22583990 Report

Quoted By: >>22584032

>>22583978
any tips on replacement? i'm feeling the same way, running into a lot of crobats and physical attackers that just take it out or hax it before it gets a chance to move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 22:29:43 No.22584032 Report

Quoted By: >>22584105 >>22584178

>>22583990
My first thoughts are Scizor (to help with Hydreigon's fairy weakness and because priority often comes in useful) and Venusaur (to exploit Charizard's sun). Really depends on what the rest of your team is struggling with though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 22:35:41 No.22584105 Report

Quoted By: >>22584178

>>22584032
Seconding scizor. I used it and m-mence for basically every category in the Maison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 22:42:16 No.22584178 Report

Quoted By: >>22584261

>>22584032
>>22584105
i'll go with scizor then, cheers guys. Life orb yeah?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 22:48:35 No.22584261 Report

Quoted By: >>22584305

>>22584178
Yeah, standard set is something like
Scizor @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Bug Bite
- Bullet Punch
- Swords Dance
- Roost/Protect

It can run choice band quite nicely with Superpower, U-Turn, Knock Off or whatever but if you already have two choice users then LO is probably best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 22:50:50 No.22584292 Report

Quoted By:

There is literally no greater feeling that outplaying a Bisharp user when you're away to lose

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 22:51:56 No.22584305 Report

Quoted By: >>22584374 >>22584459

>>22584261
Is Bug Bite better than Knock Off in doubles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 22:56:28 No.22584374 Report

Quoted By: >>22584409

>>22584305
not him but it's definitely great for stealing things like sitrus berries off mons and it gets the technician boost too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 22:59:03 No.22584409 Report

Quoted By: >>22584434

>>22584374
Oh right, berries are a lot more common in doubles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 23:01:21 No.22584434 Report

Quoted By: >>22584495

>>22584409
Not only that, but it's STAB and technician-boosted. Comes out being about 50% more powerful than Knock Off , plus it doesn't decrease in power after the first hit.
Knock Off still has more utility, but given that Hydreigon has Dark covered, I'd prioritize the power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 23:02:13 No.22584455 Report

Quoted By:

>Just got into 1500 on showdown

noice

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 23:02:31 No.22584459 Report

Quoted By:

>>22584305
Lack of Bug Bite is half the reason Scizor was deemed near unusuable last year. It just didn't have any of the killing power or utility it normally does.

Not that it's in any better of a place this year where the meta is heavily against it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 23:06:02 No.22584495 Report

Quoted By: >>22584522

>>22584434
Doesn't Knock Off technically increase in power after the first hit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 23:08:16 No.22584522 Report

Quoted By: >>22584592

>>22584495
No, it goes down to 65, not 60, meaning it's never technician boosted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 23:13:54 No.22584592 Report

Quoted By:

>>22584522
Oh, that sucks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 01:39:11 No.22586106 Report

Quoted By: >>22586233 >>22586816 >>22587377 >>22587647 >>22587687

Hiya, I've been thinking about going to a tournament, but I just have a silly question

If you're someone whose name would bring unwanted attention (political family etc), would anyone notice/care if you used an alias? Would they need your real name at a certain point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 01:50:26 No.22586233 Report

Quoted By:

>>22586106
I haven't been to any tournaments, but it's possible they have an ID card that you'll have to fill out with your 'name' as well as other details.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 02:45:43 No.22586816 Report

Quoted By:

>>22586106
see now i'm curious as to who you might be

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 03:00:27 No.22586953 Report

Quoted By: >>22586965

Lost to a mega metagross, and now I'm thinking about trying one out myself. I think terrakion would be a good partner. Deals with bisharp, kanga, and charizard, while metagross can deal with sylveon and other fighting types. Landorus seems like it could be a problem though.

What's your favorite way to deal with lando?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 03:02:18 No.22586965 Report

Quoted By: >>22587034

>>22586953
Hydreigon's a pretty good partner for the Gross, if you haven't tried it already.

I have a Milotic on my team atm, so there's my answer to Lando.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 03:08:03 No.22587034 Report

Quoted By:

>>22586965
Both of those sound good. Hydreigon would be nice for aegislash too.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 03:35:42 No.22587359 Report

Quoted By: >>22587401 >>22587516

So what type of music do they play during VGC battles?

Are we always forced to listen to the same in game song? It's all I notice when I watch these things.

They'd have a lot more zest with a better soundtrack, who else feels it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 03:37:41 No.22587377 Report

Quoted By:

>>22586106

Mitt Romney do you seriously play pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 03:40:08 No.22587401 Report

Quoted By:

>>22587359
most people don't change the track, but there are a lot of options to choose from and you can change it before a match. Still, i listen to my own music a fair amount while laddering.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 03:50:15 No.22587516 Report

Quoted By:

>>22587359
I wish that they had at least put a GBA Sound Player in the game, of the very little that Gamefreak fucked up with ORAS, they really really fucked up the music.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 04:05:21 No.22587647 Report

Quoted By: >>22587676

>>22586106
They might recognize you anyway, Mr. Hogan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 04:09:04 No.22587676 Report

Quoted By:

>>22587647
You know, you may be right brother.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 04:10:07 No.22587687 Report

Quoted By: >>22587929

>>22586106
Late reply but yes, thye need your pokemon trainer club account name, which must be your real name.
You could ask the organizer to call you with an alias, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 04:22:59 No.22587798 Report

Quoted By:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MNAktk9ei8

another peaceful day in /vgc/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 04:37:23 No.22587929 Report

Quoted By: >>22588488

>>22587687
So who would have access to my actual name, besides the organizer? I would probably be ok with this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 05:44:19 No.22588380 Report

Quoted By: >>22589770 >>22589962

Is ass vest milotic even worth it? I feel like it has better utility with a recover or protect as the fourth moveslot, your only option when running AV is mirror coat of all things

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 05:58:23 No.22588488 Report

Quoted By:

>>22587929
Nobody.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 06:01:49 No.22588502 Report

Quoted By: >>22588510 >>22588514

Question from a beginning VGC player. How good is running Thunder Wave in VGC? Like running a team around it. I have slow pokemon but I don't want to run a trickroom team. If I combine it with flinching moves too It seems like it might cripple opponents.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 06:02:57 No.22588510 Report

Quoted By: >>22588526

>>22588502
Icy Wind is going to have far more utility, however the 25% paralysis chance miiiiiiiight bail your ass out of one or two close calls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 06:03:45 No.22588514 Report

Quoted By: >>22588526 >>22588884

>>22588502
if you're using it for the speed drop then it's good enough, but look out for ground or electric types. if you're using it aiming for a full para, then don't

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 06:06:10 No.22588526 Report

Quoted By: >>22588884

>>22588510
Oh yeah Icy wind might be a good option

>>22588514
Yeah I am more looking for the speed drop more than anything but the full para is a nice side effect

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 07:01:42 No.22588884 Report

Quoted By: >>22588939 >>22588947 >>22589981

>>22588514
how pro is paraflinch in VGC

>>22588526
rock slide + icy windo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 07:10:09 No.22588939 Report

Quoted By:

>>22588884
Togekiss can be a particularly nasty support mon with paraflinch and follow me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 07:10:58 No.22588947 Report

Quoted By:

>>22588884
paraflinch is annoying, but not a very consistent gameplan

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 09:32:34 No.22589770 Report

Quoted By:

>>22588380
Mirror coat allowes you to 1 shot Rotom's who t-bolt into you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 10:28:05 No.22589962 Report

Quoted By: >>22590546

>>22588380
Out of interest, what are the three moves you're already running? Obviously Scald and Ice Beam, but then... HP Grass? Icy Wind? Dragon Pulse? Dragon Tail?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 10:34:16 No.22589981 Report

Quoted By:

>>22588884
I'm reaped the benefits of unintentional paraflinch from Discharge ScRotom+Rock Slide Garchomp several times. Once had my opponent turn off his DS mid-game and walk away without signing the match slip because of it.
Togekiss has a higher chance of paraflinching, but since it's relatively slow it usually means the opponent definitely attacking first turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 16:32:48 No.22590333 Report

Quoted By: >>22590359 >>22590360 >>22592917

How do spread moves really work in Doubles? If I use Rock Slide and one of the targets protects, is the other one going to be considered a single target? Would the bp be reduced by 25% in this case? What if there's only one remaining mon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 16:36:51 No.22590359 Report

Quoted By: >>22590374 >>22592884 >>22592917

>>22590333
As long there's 2 pokemon on the field it's a double target, if there's only 1 remaining it's full damage

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 16:37:00 No.22590360 Report

Quoted By: >>22590374

>>22590333
If one Pokémon protects, it still counts as a spread-move. Same if one target is immune to it.
If there is only one opponent's Pokémon still standing, it's counted as a single-target move.
Note that for moves like Earthquake, which hit your partner Pokémon, hitting your partner too counts as hitting several targets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 16:40:09 No.22590374 Report

Quoted By:

>>22590359
>>22590360
Good, that`s what I've always assumed. Thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 16:57:44 No.22590546 Report

Quoted By: >>22590842

>>22589962
Hydro Pump to get OHKO's with boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 17:21:49 No.22590689 Report

Quoted By: >>22590860 >>22590895

http://pastebin.com/a9uqqX8h

This is the team I'm currently using, is it any good? I feel like it has good type coverage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 17:44:30 No.22590842 Report

Quoted By:

>>22590546
So Milotic can check Megamence pretty well, can't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 17:49:31 No.22590860 Report

Quoted By: >>22590985

>>22590689
any ev in your spread which is divisible by 8 is wasting evs, for example kangs should be 244/252/12 or 252/252/4 if you want maximum optimization. you have a pretty noticeable ground weakness with those 3 steel types

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 17:56:06 No.22590895 Report

Quoted By: >>22590985

>>22590689
Why all the steel?
Aegislash and Bisharp have identical coverage. Get rid of one of them.
You don't have any ice coverage or rock coverage, maybe go Mamoswine or Gastrodon?
I also don't see any speed control, so any user of Trick Room, Tailwind, Icy Wind or Thunder Wave would be fantastic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 18:06:51 No.22590985 Report

Quoted By: >>22591009 >>22591060

>>22590860
>>22590895
Swapped Heatran and Bisharp, how does it look now?
http://pastebin.com/2iw5L4Bk

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 18:09:18 No.22591009 Report

Quoted By: >>22591046

>>22590985
Mamoswine has to be Jolly to outspeed Adamant Scarf Landorus. Some of the spreads could be better. Looks fine by me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 18:13:34 No.22591046 Report

Quoted By: >>22591139

>>22591009
Alright, thanks. What spreads in particular?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 18:15:22 No.22591060 Report

Quoted By: >>22591286

>>22590985
>Ability: Hustle
change that to serene grace and make the EV spread more bulky, taking out of special attack. i would replace dazzling gleam with either t wave roost or protect. plus you have sylveon so don't need the double fairy coverage

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 18:24:46 No.22591139 Report

Quoted By: >>22591286

>>22591046
Cybertron's Spread for Sylveon is better. By the way, 248 wastes 4 EVs.
Kanga could use some speed to outspeed Smeargle and other threats.
Togekiss could use some SpDef since most SE attacks on it are special. Give it Serene Grace too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 18:42:30 No.22591286 Report

Quoted By: >>22591295 >>22591450

>>22591060
>>22591139
How do these spreads look?
http://pastebin.com/Za51xsiB

I'm new to VGC, so sorry if I'm making rookie mistakes here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 18:44:30 No.22591295 Report

Quoted By: >>22591356

>>22591286
They look better to me, but I think Kanga needs a bit more of speed and Togekiss needs a bit more special bulk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 18:51:45 No.22591356 Report

Quoted By: >>22591405 >>22591415 >>22591557

>>22591295
How does 16 SpD (taking from SpA) for Togekiss and 16 Spe (taking from Atk) for Kanga sound?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 18:57:24 No.22591405 Report

Quoted By: >>22591511

>>22591356
You would need 156 Speed to outspeed max speed Smeargle. You would also outspeed Bisharp and 204 Speed Heatran(both Modest and Timid) this way. You could also run 164 Speed to outspeed pokemons that outspeed Smeargle by one point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 18:58:08 No.22591415 Report

Quoted By: >>22591511

>>22591356
remember, at level 50 you want your EV's non divisible by 8 (i think) so you don't waste any. 16 results in the same as 12, so go for either 12 or 20

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 19:01:30 No.22591450 Report

Quoted By:

>>22591286
I'd personally switch hyper beam for HP ground. If you ever come up against a Heatran Sylveon gets walled hard without it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 19:02:17 No.22591471 Report

Quoted By: >>22591496 >>22591550

i'm in need of something tha has access to will o wisp and taunt and can beat bisharp

my choices are non mega gallade, heatran and magmortar (lol) currently i am running an arcanine, but with the intimidate it doesn't fare too well against bisharp and lacks taunt, which i can't fit into any other mon of the team. i am inclined to use heatran as otherwise i lack the fire coverage and is the bulkiest of the 3. any good sets for bulky heatran?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 19:04:56 No.22591496 Report

Quoted By:

>>22591471
Modest Heatran needs 204 speed tou outspeed Bisharp. The most common set is 52 HP/252 SpA/204 Spe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 19:06:12 No.22591511 Report

Quoted By: >>22591572 >>22591667

>>22591405
>>22591415
Alright, I think this should be the last revision I need to make, unless I screwed up Kanga.
http://pastebin.com/kMG6f6tr

I took from her Atk because that's already really high, if that was a mistake then should I take from HP or take half from both instead?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 19:11:13 No.22591550 Report

Quoted By:

>>22591471
Heatran is probably your best bet all around, but Infernape can taunt, WoW and completely wrecks Bisharp too, and gets some nice coverage and Fake Out.
Although to be honest if you're WoWing anyway, most anything can beat Bisharp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 19:12:49 No.22591557 Report

Quoted By:

>>22591356
Think about what attacks you're trying to turn from 1 and 2HKOs to 2 and 3HKOs on Togekiss, the specific ice and electric attacks you want him to take.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 19:15:44 No.22591572 Report

Quoted By: >>22591620

>>22591511
I'd take it from the HP to be honest. Adamant Kanga hits like a truck and not many mons can take a DE from it.
How about EVs: 100 HP / 134 Atk / 28 Def / 92 SpD / 156 Spe? Always survives Specs Draco, Jolly kanga Low Kick. It doesn't survive STAB Close Combats though, and the investment would have to be way higher.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 19:22:11 No.22591620 Report

Quoted By: >>22592596

>>22591572
Alright, thanks for helping me out.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 19:23:59 No.22591632 Report

Quoted By: >>22591703 >>22591709 >>22591721 >>22591765

So now that it has the strongest dragon type move in the game, how much is this total nuke going to rise in viability?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 19:28:42 No.22591667 Report

Quoted By:

>>22591511
The spread I like on togekiss is 252 HP / 220 Def / 32 SpDef / 4 Speed with calm nature. It survives adamant life orb bisharp iron head. I don't think special attack is worth it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 19:33:20 No.22591703 Report

Quoted By:

>>22591632
i use it in trick room with specs and i don't think anything i draco meteored wasn't instantly removed from the game, though i mostly use it to beat non specially defensive threats or kill something that's weakened. also it does farily well against fairies, even if gardevoir can kill it with psychic attacks

Depression Lord Vyro !22M2wEkk5k

Depression Lord Vyro !22M2wEkk5k Tue 20 Jan 2015 19:34:08 No.22591709 Report

Quoted By: >>22592679

>>22591632
Fuck Draco Meteor.

He's a fucking monster in doubles with Sludge Wave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 19:35:18 No.22591721 Report

Quoted By:

>>22591632
I got annihilated by this thing once in TR, very underrated imo.
Coverage options are still not the best, though. It has a very hard time against steel types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 19:41:09 No.22591765 Report

Quoted By:

>>22591632
Fuck do I wish that charge beam had the same chance of boosting as PuP, he could be an absolute monster with just Charge Beam, Sludge Wave/Bomb, Dragon Pulse, and Focus Blast

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 20:55:34 No.22592291 Report

Quoted By: >>22592296 >>22592377

Does anyone know what that one really popular ev spread for sylveon is? If not what ev spreads are most used on sylveons?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 20:56:09 No.22592296 Report

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>>22592291
check cybertron's analysis, it's probably that one

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 21:04:15 No.22592377 Report

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>>22592291
I'm doing 92HP/116DEF/252 Sp.A/48Spe. Which is an Aaron Zheng spread anyways, but lives Jolly Kangs return.

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Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 21:20:10 No.22592510 Report

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>dark void

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 21:24:05 No.22592552 Report

Quoted By: >>22592690 >>22593191 >>22593208

Daily reminder that VGC is all about spamming spread moves and intimidate thus requiring no skill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 21:27:32 No.22592596 Report

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>>22591620
Anon, wait. That spread doesn't KO 92HP/116Def Sylveon 100% of the time. Use EVs: 116 HP / 148 Atk / 4 Def / 84 SpD / 156 Spe it doesn't survive a Jolly Kanga Low Kick 100% of the time but it KOs that stupid fairy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 21:36:18 No.22592679 Report

Quoted By: >>22592727

>>22591709
>tripfag doesn't know what he's talking about
wow what a surprise
>hits allies
>does less damage than sludge bomb
Idk why you would run wave
there's a reason everything runs scald over surf

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 21:37:50 No.22592690 Report

Quoted By: >>22593184 >>22593541

>>22592552
>spamming spread moves
>only 4 spread moves get significant usage, and one of them is exclusive to two pokemon
ebin

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Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 21:40:55 No.22592727 Report

Quoted By: >>22592836 >>22592851

>>22592679
>Hits allies
>Steel types don't exist
>does less damage than sludge bomb
>142 BP + 142 BP < 180 BP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 21:50:25 No.22592836 Report

Quoted By: >>22592981

>>22592727
>Steel types don't exist
that's right, your opponent definitely won't have any steel types to wall the fuck out of sludge wave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 21:51:54 No.22592851 Report

Quoted By: >>22592981

>>22592727
>implying you'll always have dragalge on the field next to steel types
>putting enough steel types on your team for that to be viable
>wanting to be that ground weak
>implying that only doing 75% damage to targets is enough to KO anything bulky before you get KOd back because shit defense, common weaknesses, and no speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 21:53:44 No.22592884 Report

Quoted By: >>22592917

>>22590359

This isn't quite accurate. The spread multiplier is only ignored if you and your opponent have one Pokémon each on your respective sides of the field.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 21:56:25 No.22592917 Report

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>>22592884
>>22590359
>>22590333
spread multiplier on moves that ONLY damage opponents stops applying once they only have one pokemon on their side of the field (IE you KO the partner before heat wave)
spread multiplier on moves that hit all pokemon applies for as long as either person has two pokemon on the field, even if all but one protect.

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Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 22:01:28 No.22592981 Report

Quoted By: >>22593070 >>22593148

>>22592836
>>22592851
>Actually running EQ
>Hits your ally
>Have to run flying types or levitate to avoid it
>Wanting to be that rock weak
>Wanting to be walled by opposing flying types or levitate
>implying that only doing 75% damage to targets is enough to KO anything bulky before you get KOd back because common weaknesses, 4x weakness to ice, and mediocre defences.
Garchomp confirmed for shitmon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 22:10:38 No.22593070 Report

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>>22592981
if garchomp got a 95 bp single target ground type move with 100 accuracy, I would definitely use that over eq.
The problem is that there is none, and so eq is run as a result.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 22:18:54 No.22593148 Report

Quoted By: >>22593372

>>22592981
You could always use excadrill with drill run if you really want.

Or use nidoking like that one guy on one of those premier challenge streams that was posted in here

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 22:23:39 No.22593184 Report

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>>22592690
What four are you counting, out of interest? Earthquake, Rock Slide, Heat Wave and Hyper Voice? I'd count Icy Wind and Discharge too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 22:24:47 No.22593191 Report

Quoted By: >>22593541

>>22592552
wide guard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 22:27:28 No.22593208 Report

Quoted By: >>22593541

>>22592552
So it's a coincidence that the same people reliably place highly every year? Or are literally thousands of players all too stupid to put six intimidators with Rock Slide on their team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 22:43:50 No.22593372 Report

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>>22593148
not that anon, but I've actually been using scarf excadrill with eq/iron head/rock slide/drill run (because I'm running it alongside tran, and because excadrill has no other coverage moves)
it fills a lot of holes in my team, but honestly in general its speed is what fucks it
thanks lando

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 22:46:48 No.22593407 Report

Quoted By: >>22593428 >>22593519

>Mega Sceptile used focus blast!
why are these people even allowed on the ladder?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 22:47:38 No.22593426 Report

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http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2015-204267930

where do you find the motivation to keep playing this shit game after this bullshit happens?
Fuck RNG, man. Do you ever see that in chess?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 22:47:58 No.22593428 Report

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>>22593407
I encountered so many air slash charizards the other day.

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Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 22:55:07 No.22593519 Report

Quoted By: >>22593639 >>22593739

>>22593407

>finally get my team on cart and start laddering
>"Good thing I don't have to run into retarded shit like Ancientpower Charizard anymore since I'm not playing Showdown!"
>first match against a Charizard
>it has Ancientpower

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 22:57:39 No.22593541 Report

Quoted By:

>>22592690
>>22593191
>>22593208

Stop feeding the troll. He's like slugfucker, you just have to ignore him and he'll eventually go away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 23:05:12 No.22593639 Report

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>>22593519
nothing pisses me off more than losing to scrubs you know you're better than. losing to some shitty gimmick/random move/shitmon

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Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 23:10:01 No.22593692 Report

Quoted By: >>22593707 >>22593742 >>22593752 >>22593781

http://pastebin.com/2cMzCTwJ

This is my team currently and I'm planning on entering this in to a tournament in 4 days but I need urgent help on it. I'm at 1045 on showdown right now and I just seem to be losing and losing, especially to trick room teams. Here is a replay of my most recent loss: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2015-204274188

Can I get some help please?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 23:10:50 No.22593702 Report

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in the current meta, would it at all be viable to run a nidoking on the team [sheer force, timid, scarf]?

maybe run sludge wave w/ telepathy gardevoir as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 23:11:20 No.22593707 Report

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>>22593692

Also I forgot to change it but Grass Knot on Thundurus is HP Ice

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Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 23:14:30 No.22593739 Report

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>>22593519
>mfw just got rekt by a HIdden power Ice Charizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 23:14:43 No.22593742 Report

Quoted By: >>22593779 >>22593781

>>22593692
replace aegi with bisharp, give swampert wide guard (literally the only reason you'd use nonmega special pert is for wide guard)

why virizion? why stone edge over rock slide?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 23:15:43 No.22593752 Report

Quoted By: >>22593779

>>22593692
>Swampert
For what purpose?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 23:18:48 No.22593779 Report

Quoted By:

>>22593742
>>22593752
I'm using swampert because I originally I had Suicune in that slot but I found that I needed ground support so I'm trying it out.

>>22593742
Virizion because I had Conkeldurr in that slot but my team kept getting destroyed by bulky waters (mainly Rotom-W) so I decided to switch and Virizion doesn't get Rock Slide unfortunately.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 23:18:58 No.22593781 Report

Quoted By: >>22594001

I'll create a new general when this hits page 4.

>>22593692
There were some pretty bad plays there. You got your ass handled by that guy and failed to predict some obvious moves.
Swampert shoul only be used if you want Wide Guard support.
Choose your leads better, starting with Aegislash was kinda bad since it was a TR team.
Use something else on Aegislash instead of Wide Guard or don't use it at all. Bisharp would be better.
Also, you need more Ground coverage.

>>22593742
Virizion doesn't learn Rock Slide.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 23:47:50 No.22594001 Report

Quoted By: >>22594070

>>22593781
Why was leading with Aegislash bad? I do admit that staying in Blade Form was a bad idea but Aegis' Shadow Ball was able to do a ton of damage to that Cress.

The thing is that swampert is only being used because it was able to do what Suicune did but also learn a ground type move. Should I just go back to Suicune then?

Why is using Wide Guard on Aegislash bad and why would Bisharp be better?

I understand that I need more ground coverage but I can't use most ground users because either:

a) I'd have to give up Thundurus or Salamence, which I'm not exactly prepared to do (prankster taunt is godly)

b) make half of my team weak to ice

I do agree with you that I need the ground support but I just don't know what to do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 23:50:36 No.22594033 Report

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NEW THREAD
>>22594028
>>22594028
>>22594028

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jan 2015 23:55:05 No.22594070 Report

Quoted By:

>>22594001
Aegislash is slow and could potentially move before another mon during TR, making it super easy to KO. Wide Guard Aegislash is fucking great, but you already have another Wide Guard user. It's a bit redundant.
Bisharp hits pretty much the same targets for SE, but it's a bit faster, more offensive and can make your opponents scared of spamming Intimidate.
If you do want to keep Aegislash/Wide Guard, use Excadrill/Mamoswine instead of Swampert. I think it would be better/worth a try. Sash/Scarf Mamoswine is awesome.

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