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>>22574018
Dance Dance Revolution went to hell when they started calling in the top players to write stepcharts, I don't see why this would be any different.

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 23:26:53 No.22574059 Report

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>>22574025
yeah, what about it?

>>22574026
uhhh Pokemon not being DDR? I don't see how the game would go to hell by having more Pokemon actually be usable.

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Anonymous Sun 18 Jan 2015 23:29:45 No.22574081 Report

Quoted By: >>22578309

I'd like for this to happen to be honest. Anything from the Smogon staff would be better than what balance attempts Gamefreak would come up with.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 00:33:44 No.22574710 Report

Quoted By: >>22574782 >>22574815 >>22575868

>>22574059
>What about it
Say what you will about Smogon's banning policies, but they cannot design for shit.

Most are minmaxed to hell with BST totals that make Arcanine blush.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 00:36:18 No.22574732 Report

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I think GF should add more BST bumps to the fully evolved shitmons. The +10 shit they did in Gen 6 didn't change anything, but at least it's a step in the right direction. Small, incremental buffs avoid the risk of making something imbalanced.

Pokemon like Luvdisc, Butterfree, Ariados, etc. could easily stand some added BST without jeopardizing anything.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 00:42:31 No.22574782 Report

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>>22574710

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 00:44:23 No.22574794 Report

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>GameFAGs

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 00:44:25 No.22574795 Report

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>>22573998
Not all humans are equal, so why should we expect all pokemon to be equal?

the real fun comes from building a successful teams using the pokemon you like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 00:46:32 No.22574815 Report

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>>22574782
>>22574710
barely any of those are actually min/maxed and the BST isn't as bad as you think when we have megas of base 600 BST Pokemon and legendaries running around that don't even have top viability in OU. It's better than having a bunch of unusable shitmons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 00:48:32 No.22574832 Report

Quoted By: >>22574883

>Implying Nintendo cares about Smogon when even their top players can't get in to the top ranks of one of they're official tournaments

Smogon isn't good enough for Nintendo to care about there opinion.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 00:54:05 No.22574875 Report

Quoted By: >>22574906 >>22575008 >>22575227

>>22574815
>Aurumoth
Gets Quiver Dance, Dragon Dance, and Tail Glow. Has No Guard and the moves to use it (Blizzard, Thunder, Focus Blast). Also has Illusion because fuck it, why not.

>Necturna
Gets Sketch.

>Krilowatt
Trace or Magic Guard. Has Heart Swap for the fuck of it. He's less impressive because they designed him to break the DPP metagame and that means fuck all now.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 00:54:54 No.22574883 Report

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>>22574832
Holy shit go back to elementary school with that shitty ass grammar and learn to type, faggot

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 00:56:06 No.22574899 Report

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>>22574883
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 00:56:39 No.22574906 Report

Quoted By: >>22575001 >>22575855

>>22574875
>Aurumoth
Person in charge of this was sacked and never allowed to participate in CAP again, or at least not be in charge. Widely regarded as a bad move.

>Necturna
Gets sketch once, Its a fun gimmick.

>Krilowatt
Why complain about one of the better CAP's when scylant is sitting there with its "s-stealth rock is totally balanced guys!" ability.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 01:04:29 No.22575001 Report

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>>22574906
I was just going in order of BSTs. Point is, 570s should either be legendary or be somewhat hindered. Syclant is the worst design, though.

The fact that Rapid Spin goes on anything defensive and legendary signature moves get passed around pisses me off.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 01:04:47 No.22575008 Report

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>>22574875
>Has No Guard and the moves to use it (Blizzard, Thunder, Focus Blast).
Better than having No Guard with fuck all like Pidgeot. Good thing it can't have Illusion and No Guard at the same time. ;)

>Gets Sketch
Which was designed to work for a single moveslot and is usually walled as fuck by Steel types (in gen 5 anyway) because that moveslot is usually used for Shell Smash or Spore. If it's sketching a fire or ground move it's still manageable because of its lack of other coverage.

>Trace or Magic Guard. Has Heart Swap for the fuck of it.
None of those are even that bad.

Honestly I would even like to see more unique Pokemon like this. Having a Pokemon that can sketch one move sounds fun as fuck. At least it doesn't sound any more bad than the frog that get STAB on a metric fuck ton of moves.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 01:11:55 No.22575081 Report

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>>22573998
>Gen 7 Battle Frontier
"Excuse me! But there are pokemon on your team that aren't allowed! Eggs, Rayquaza, Groudon, Diancie, Talonflame, Blastor, Optimouse, Gravattack, Garchomp, Blaziken, Aegislash, Gengar and Greninja cannot compete in this event. Please arrange your team and have a nice day!"

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 01:15:06 No.22575115 Report

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>>22575081
no, they would just separate the battle frontier into different tiers. maybe hat way I could use my bro zangoose without being too handicapped.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 01:24:13 No.22575227 Report

Quoted By: >>22575302 >>22575908

>>22574875
>Gets sketch
What? Did they really give infinite movepool to a 570 BST mon wtf

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 01:33:58 No.22575302 Report

Quoted By: >>22575908 >>22576080 >>22578674

>>22575227
http://www.smogon.com/cap/pokemon/necturna

Yes. And it has no downsides.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 01:40:43 No.22575354 Report

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>>22573998
Pokemon is completely 100% balanced, since all resources are available equally for all players to use.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 02:44:26 No.22575855 Report

Quoted By: >>22575882 >>22576007

>>22574906
>Gets sketch once, Its a fun gimmick.
Hurr durr heart scale.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 02:46:45 No.22575868 Report

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>>22574710
That's because they tried to make all fakemons viable.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 02:48:30 No.22575882 Report

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>>22575855
What if it's a pre Gen VI-only event move?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 02:51:58 No.22575908 Report

Quoted By: >>22576318 >>22578674

>>22575227
>>22575302
It got Sketch as an Egg Move, so you could only learn Sketch once.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 02:52:51 No.22575919 Report

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i'm disappointed that this thread isn't full of facepalm images.

good old gamefaqs kiddies….

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 02:58:10 No.22575968 Report

Quoted By: >>22575977

>all of these retards ITT defending Smogon's fakemons

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 02:58:49 No.22575977 Report

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>>22575968
i know. it's cringeworthy.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:00:24 No.22575989 Report

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Fuck this bullshit. Fuck this entire thread.
Fuck me please, I'm a virgin.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:00:25 No.22575991 Report

Quoted By: >>22577521

>>22574782
Holy shit, fuck Smogon. Why do they not understand that there's a hard cap on BST for non-legendary pokemon? They really don't know shit about designing pokemon. I am happy that they're not in charge of Pokemon, because otherwise we would get retarded legendaries with a million moves and no weaknesses.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:02:24 No.22576007 Report

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>>22575855
It was designed before gen 6.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:10:30 No.22576067 Report

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>>22574782
>4 of those 8 are only at 555, as if being above 550 matters when stuff like Florges and Arcanine just arbitrarily pass that for no real reason
>one is clearly designed to be a psuedo legendary at 600, like the other 6 Gamefreak already invented that Smogon only did once despite free reign
That means despite full allowance, only 4 out of 19 of the Pokemon they've made actually pass the arbitrary Arcanine 555 restriction, who has had that BST since Gen 2 and has had several dozen Pokemon just as arbitrarily pass it already.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:12:20 No.22576080 Report

Quoted By: >>22576111

>>22575302
I cringed at Stratagem. Rock type special attacker? Fucking seriously? That's the epitome of pants-on-head retarded, and truly shows that Smogon really and literally has no idea what the fuck they're doing. The minmaxed stats doesn't help.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:16:00 No.22576111 Report

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>>22576080
What the fuck is wrong with a Special Rock? It's not like GF never did that before.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:16:41 No.22576119 Report

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That comment in OP, nigger.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:18:38 No.22576138 Report

Quoted By: >>22576163 >>22576211

>>22576111
It's a special rock pokemon that is fast with minmaxed stats. That's what's wrong. Smogon just can't grasp the facts that it's illogical for a ROCK to move fast while having strong special attacks for no reason. Minmaxed stats are also illogical and pants-on-head retarded.

Smogon needs to stop making fakemon. They literally has no idea what they're doing.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:21:33 No.22576163 Report

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>>22576138
What is Archeops

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:23:54 No.22576181 Report

Quoted By: >>22576247

>>22576163
Doesn't learn any special rock type moves except for Ancient Power.

Rock type is a primarily physical type. Rock types that's more special than physical are slow to compensate for it.

Stratagem goes against the very concept of the type. It's proof that Smogon don't know shit about pokemon and that they're braindead retarded.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:27:08 No.22576211 Report

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>>22576138
Yeah like what kind of idiot would make a fast rock type, despite how a bunch of rock types have some sort of capability to float at a speed they control so they can even move.

And a special attacker on top of that capability to float makes absolutely no sense. They float using physical powers. High special attack when things like ancientpower don't make any sense. It would be like making a specially based steel or ground type. Or a Flying type slower than miltank.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:28:32 No.22576226 Report

Quoted By: >>22576259 >>22576279

>>22576211
Diancie is not minmaxed. Plus it doesn't learn Power Gem. Try again.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:31:44 No.22576247 Report

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>>22576181
It's not written anywhere Rock types can't be fast or specially based, using arbitrary limits like those just hinders your creativity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:32:20 No.22576259 Report

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>>22576226
>160/160 offenses
>50/110/110 defenses

according to the definition of "min/max" from most of the idiots on here it is.

You're just a dumb fanboy who makes up shitty headcanon rules in his head and pretends they're facts that must apply to every single possible Pokemon.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:35:03 No.22576279 Report

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>>22576226
>Diancie is not minmaxed
>110 base speed, 160 base offenses, 110 base defenses
>Mega was -50 to both defenses so it could have +200 stats as a mega

>doesn't learn Power Gem
That doesn't mean shit, it doesn't stop it from being a specially offensive rock type who is fast and you didn't even slightly refute any of those things I said about rock types floating all the goddamned time to be as fast as they want and clearly using special abilities to float like that in the first place.

Strategem was created specifically because a specially based rock type didn't exist and people wanted one since TyraniBOAH was huge at the time. They gave it a signature rock move.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:35:42 No.22576287 Report

Quoted By: >>22576377 >>22576412 >>22576948

>>22574782
We should make BSTs for Smogon's fakemons and have them make actual sense. Smogon will look retarded when it turns out that /vp/ knows better about balancing pokemon than Smogon ever did. I will start with Aurumoth's, since it has the BST of legendaries which is stupid edgy bullshit.

HP: 70
Attack: 91
Defense: 60
Sp.Attack: 101
Sp.Defense: 50
Speed: 86

Equals 458. On top of being properly balanced, the stats actually makes perfect sense for a pokemon with Aurumoth's design.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:39:27 No.22576318 Report

Quoted By: >>22576566 >>22578674

>>22575908
Except since XY you can relearn Egg Moves.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:45:09 No.22576377 Report

Quoted By: >>22576405

>>22576287
It was made as a psuedo legendary in mind with an emphasis on stats because it's bug/psychic type, the two shittiest types together.

It was supposed to still be good despite weak to SR, weak to pursuit, weak to U-Turn, neutral to steel, weak to fire, and worse

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:47:19 No.22576405 Report

Quoted By: >>22577086

>>22576377
You don't balance pokemon with competition in mind. You balance them based on their looks.

Aurumoth should have weak stats because it looks weak. Smogon needs to learn how to balance pokemon.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:47:45 No.22576412 Report

Quoted By: >>22576456

>>22576287
>all bugs must be shit
Holy christ fuck off.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:49:57 No.22576456 Report

Quoted By: >>22576498

>>22576412
It still has a Smogon-approved movepool. It's perfectly balanced with these stats.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:52:34 No.22576498 Report

Quoted By: >>22576539

>>22576456
They wanted to create a Bug-type pseudo, not a Bug-type shitmon.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:55:23 No.22576539 Report

Quoted By: >>22576567

>>22576498
The difference is that the actual pseudos has designs that looks like that they could be powerful enough to warrant 600 BST. Weak moth does not.

Weak moth does not deserve pseudo stats.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:58:06 No.22576566 Report

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>>22576318

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 03:58:10 No.22576567 Report

Quoted By: >>22576587

>>22576539
Yeah because Barney with wings and spermdragon definitely look like "powerful enough" to warrant 600 BST. Also Volcarona has almost Pseudo-tier stats and its design is quite similar to Aurumoth's.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:00:30 No.22576587 Report

Quoted By: >>22576630 >>22578654

>>22576567
Barney and Spermdragon are still pseudos that look worthy of 600 BST.
Volcarona is Mothra.

Aurumoth is none of these. It does not deserve good stats. You may cease defending Smogon's retard decisions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:02:10 No.22576604 Report

Quoted By: >>22576677 >>22576689

>>22574059
> uhhh Pokemon not being DDR? I don't see how the game would go to hell by having more Pokemon actually be usable.
Reading comprehension, anon. He is saying that if pokemon company hired someone from one of its fans the game will plummet to hell because everyone would be complaining and everything would be banned for retarded reasons.

Double team, minimize will be deleted.
OHKO too
Ubers(now with retarded addition like Aegislash / Greninja / Mawile, who are NOT EVEN LEGENDARIES, SERIOUSLY SMOGAY FUCK OFF YOU RETARDED BRAIN DAMAGED PIECE OF SHIT) will be banned form online play.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:04:46 No.22576630 Report

Quoted By: >>22576647

>>22576587
>volcarona deserves good stats because it's a big moth
>aurumoth deserves shit stats because it's a big moth

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:07:22 No.22576647 Report

Quoted By: >>22576690

>>22576630
Aurumoth is a fragile looking piece of shit. It looks like it would fall apart into a million pieces if you poked it.
Volcarona looks much more bulkier, stronger and thus more deserving of good stats.

I am sorry to tell you once again that Smogon don't know how to design an actual pokemon.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:10:18 No.22576677 Report

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>>22576604
Reading comprehension, anon. He didn't say shit about everyone complaining and everything being banned for retarded reasons.

>Double team, minimize will be deleted.
>OHKO too
No, there would simply be rulesets that forbid these moves.

>who are NOT EVEN LEGENDARIES,
so what? Phione, Regigigas, Jirachi, Celebi, Mew, base Shaymin, base Zygarde, and base Kyurem are Ubers DESPITE NOT EVEN BEING OVERPOWERED.

You did a shit job at convincing me that experienced Smogon member(s) helping develop the game wouldn't make the game better.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:11:07 No.22576689 Report

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>>22576604
>mega mence is not legendary, it's balanced

:^)

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:11:09 No.22576690 Report

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>>22576647
Yeah man looks so weak this 6 foot 11 moth 425 pound moth

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:15:17 No.22576730 Report

Quoted By: >>22576752 >>22576811 >>22576906

>>22576690
You just posted a weak as fuck looking fakemon. Hell, it even looks sickly. That's a prime example of a bug type pokemon that deserves shitmon stats based on its design.

Hell, even if you wanted to argue that it needs good stats, that doesn't matter because Smogon gave it pseudo stats because they're shit at making useful pokemon and needs to inflate them with sky high stats because they don't know better.

40/110/40/110/40/110

See these stats? I just made it competitively worthwhile, all without giving it pseudo stats WHILE minmaxing the shit out of it.

And once again, Smogon gets blown the fuck out by /vp/.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:16:32 No.22576746 Report

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>>22576690
Is that a shedinja evolution?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:16:49 No.22576752 Report

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>>22576730
Stop b8ing you absolute faggot

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:18:16 No.22576769 Report

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>>22576752
Not baiting, just telling Smogon how to stat a pokemon, since they're incapable of doing so. These stats makes some amount of sense with that design, unlike Smogon's precious pseudo stats.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:21:53 No.22576811 Report

Quoted By: >>22576828 >>22576835 >>22576836

>>22576730
Now this is bait. Good bait, I'll give you that.
When have stats EVER reflected a Pokémon's design? Onix has 20 Attack for fucks sake.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:23:55 No.22576828 Report

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>>22576811
45 Attack, my bad. But still.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:24:24 No.22576835 Report

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>>22576811
Earthworms aren't exactly the most menacing beings on Earth.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:24:36 No.22576836 Report

Quoted By: >>22577005

>>22576811
It's Gen 1. Gamefreak wasn't entirely sure of what they were doing, so it's excusable.

That's why you don't see, let's say, Chesnaught having special sweeper stats and Greninja having physical tank stats instead of the other's stats and vice versa. Because GF got better about giving pokemon stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:25:06 No.22576842 Report

Quoted By: >>22576918

>>22576835
If it's gigantic and made of granite it is

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:25:50 No.22576851 Report

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>>22576690
I would train the crap out of that from looks alone.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:30:10 No.22576906 Report

Quoted By: >>22576915

>>22576730
If I showed you Haxorus's stats I bet you'd say they were minmaxed as hell and potentially Smogon sourced too.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:31:21 No.22576915 Report

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>>22576906
Haxorus' stats actually makes sense for it though.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:31:34 No.22576918 Report

Quoted By: >>22576953 >>22576962 >>22576988

>>22576842
Size doesn't matter, just look at stuff like Excadrill.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:35:06 No.22576948 Report

Quoted By: >>22576972

>>22576287
>balanced

Anon... I don't think you know what that means. You know its possible for something to be UNDER-balanced, right?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:35:48 No.22576953 Report

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>>22576918
>Size doesn't matter
Then there goes half your argument. A solid amount of a Pokémon's design relies on how big it is. What it looks like visually is only half the picture.
Face it; there is no realism or balance amongst Pokémon stats because those stats reflect their purpose or role or niche, not their hallowed 'personality' or design

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:36:24 No.22576962 Report

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>>22576918
It's still a horned snake made entirely of stone, at least let it hit harder than fucking butterfree

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:36:57 No.22576972 Report

Quoted By: >>22576994

>>22576948
With that movepool plus Quiver Dance, it'd be balanced with these stats.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:38:12 No.22576988 Report

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>>22576918
Size doesn't matter when taking account physical, attacking abilities. Excadrill has fucking IRON CLAWS. THAT IT CAN SPIN TO FORM A DRILL.

Onix is a giant, 28-foot, 463 pound snake made of ROCK. Yet is has the same attack has Wurmple.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:38:37 No.22576993 Report

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>>22574026
>implying Universe 3 didn't have some of the best charts and songs combined

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:38:41 No.22576994 Report

Quoted By: >>22577022

>>22576972
*completely outclassed as a QD user

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:39:17 No.22577005 Report

Quoted By: >>22577043

>>22576836
>Carbink
>150 defenses

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:40:29 No.22577022 Report

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>>22576994
It'd have an unique niche as a No Guard Quiver Dancer. So what if it's a little outclassed, at least it doesn't outclass every Quiver Dancer anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:41:30 No.22577043 Report

Quoted By: >>22577060

>>22577005
>It's a diamond
>act shocked that it has high defenses

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:42:25 No.22577060 Report

Quoted By: >>22577071

>>22577043
>Shuckle
>Small worm inside a small rock
>230 Defenses

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:43:05 No.22577071 Report

Quoted By: >>22577120

>>22577060
Gen 2.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:44:01 No.22577086 Report

Quoted By: >>22577112

>>22576405
>You balance pokémon based on their looks

Yeah because manaphy, shaymin, mew and jirachi look strong, right? And they have 600 BST too

>inb4 m-muh legendary
Kill yourself

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:45:52 No.22577112 Report

Quoted By: >>22577138 >>22577168 >>22577186

>>22577086
You can't inb4.

As legendaries, they have the special right to have a BST of 600. Deal with it nerd.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:46:19 No.22577120 Report

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>>22577071
Your point?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:47:47 No.22577138 Report

Quoted By: >>22577184

>>22577112
And Aurumoth, as a pseudo, has the special right to have a BST of 600. Deal with it nerd.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:49:28 No.22577168 Report

Quoted By: >>22577210

>>22577112
>Small pixies can have 600 bst because they're Legendary
>Arumoth can't have 600 bst becayse he's a bug
>Arumoth is legendary too? I don't care, Smogon can't balance
This fucking guy

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:50:13 No.22577184 Report

Quoted By: >>22577211 >>22577246 >>22577258

>>22577138
Actually, Gamefreak didn't make Aurumoth, so it's not a Pseudo.

This is a case of Smogon pandering to their precious "oh so perfect" special snowflake because it must be so powerful even though its design doesn't make sense with its stats. In other words, Smogon are literally deviantart with their fakemons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:50:20 No.22577186 Report

Quoted By: >>22577210

>>22577112
>Y-You can't inb4
>W-We hate Smugun r-right /vp/?

You're laughable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:51:32 No.22577210 Report

Quoted By: >>22577250

>>22577168
>>22577186
Good job strawmanning, it shows that you're really running out of arguments to defend your precious "but muh minmax" moth.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:51:34 No.22577211 Report

Quoted By: >>22577248

>>22577184
Except it isn't, stop being so salty about fakemons, we know you can't design nor play competitive for shit, but don't embarass yourself any further.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:53:39 No.22577246 Report

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>>22577184
That also makes it not a pokemon. Why would Gamefreak be required to authorize legendary fakemons, but not regular fakemons?

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:53:41 No.22577248 Report

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>>22577211
Except that Smogon is shit at stats. It wouldn't even need pseudo stats to be good. Just high offensive stats but low defensive stats would have made it good enough while you don't have to raise its stats to 600.

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:53:48 No.22577250 Report

Quoted By: >>22577260

>>22577210
>Y-You're running out of arguments
>I-I'll t-throw some logical fallacies to appear educated.
You do know that dismissing an argument because it has fallacies, (Not that my argument included any, because you're a crybaby who was probably raped by smogon), is a fallacy itself, don't you?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:54:37 No.22577258 Report

Quoted By: >>22577273

>>22577184
Aurumoth looks great you dunce. It's got that same ethereal insect look as Volcarona, and its stats reflect that.
Why are you still arguing? You're clearly slamming your head against a wall here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:54:47 No.22577260 Report

Quoted By:

>>22577250
Good job proving my point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:55:57 No.22577273 Report

Quoted By: >>22577304 >>22577311 >>22577331

>>22577258
>Aurumoth looks great
You mean it looks like a digimon. Just like the vast majority of fakemon.

>b-b-but it looks good! IT-IT NEEDS SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE STATS!
Fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:58:15 No.22577304 Report

Quoted By: >>22577344

>>22577273
>It looks like a digimon because no reasons
>Legendary = special snowflake
I knew it, you were bait the whole time
Good job, you really had me going there

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:58:37 No.22577311 Report

Quoted By: >>22577344

>>22577273
You're the one desesperatedly demanding for snow flake status.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 04:59:54 No.22577331 Report

Quoted By:

>>22577273
Observe: a Digimoth.
Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:00:34 No.22577344 Report

Quoted By: >>22577383 >>22577401

>>22577304
>>22577311
It's a special snowflake because its stats are 600 for no reason. You can't even claim that it was the only way to make it viable, because 50/110/50/110/50/110 would have done the job without even hitting 500 BST.

Just admit that Smogon is shit when it comes to sensible balancing and move on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:02:55 No.22577383 Report

Quoted By: >>22577418

>>22577344
>For no reason
It's been explained to you, it's a pseudo-legend, thus the BST
>I-It doesn't look like a pseudo because muh headcanon
Neither does slugdragon nor barney.

>Admit Smogon is the boogeyman

...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:04:32 No.22577401 Report

Quoted By:

>>22577344
You move on. They've said it's a legendary Pokémon. That means they can justifiably give it legendary stats.
In fact, they're not even legendary stats. 680 is.
By the sounds of it you've never even played Smogon CAP. You can't assess a Pokémon's worth until you actually use it. Otherwise you're no better than the scrubs who claimed that Mega Metagross and Gallade would suck just by looking at their numbers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:06:02 No.22577418 Report

Quoted By: >>22577441 >>22577452

>>22577383
Nobody gives a shit about if Smogon wanted their own little precious pseudo-legend or not, facts are that it didn't need 600 BST to be viable. Thus Smogon don't know how to balance.

You know, now that I am thinking about it, Smogon could have shown that they're not suffering from favoritism by making a pseudo-legend as shit as they possibly could. They failed at that however, so there's no excuse for letting their fakemon have 600 BST and be "oh so perfectly good".

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:08:04 No.22577441 Report

Quoted By: >>22577462

>>22577418
>They could've made their Pseudo Legend more balanced by lowering its stats below 600
>Pseudo Legend
>Below 600

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:09:08 No.22577452 Report

Quoted By: >>22577472 >>22577532 >>22577542

>>22577418
Except it does, look around the thread, nobody agrees with you faggot, so stop whining like the little bitch you are. You're throwing a tantrum and you're trying to impress me like I'm your alcoholic father, let the grown ups talk anout this stuff, be a sport and get daddy another beer, will you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:09:39 No.22577462 Report

Quoted By: >>22577468 >>22577487 >>22577494

>>22577441
Just imagine it though. A 600 BST pokemon so shit that it's only viable in the deepest trenches of tiers. So shit that even the likes of Regice and Articuno looks viable in OU just by comparison.

Smogon missed a great opportunity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:10:03 No.22577468 Report

Quoted By: >>22577488

>>22577462
So you mean Goodra?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:10:10 No.22577472 Report

Quoted By:

>>22577452
Ouch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:11:19 No.22577487 Report

Quoted By:

>>22577462
You've basically just described Goodra.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:11:19 No.22577488 Report

Quoted By:

>>22577468
Nah, even Goodra is viable in OU to some extent. Not quite the same.

Smogon could have made their pseudo so shit that Goodra looks positively uber in comparison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:11:52 No.22577494 Report

Quoted By: >>22577520 >>22577531

>>22577462
How in the fuck do you make a 600 bst titan shit? By giving is 500 Defense and 20 Sp Def?
And more importantly, why? Why would a Pseudo Legend need to be shit? Do you not know what Pseudo or Legend mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:13:58 No.22577520 Report

Quoted By: >>22577530

>>22577494
It's called articuno

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:14:04 No.22577521 Report

Quoted By:

>>22575991
>retarded legendaries with a million moves and no weaknesses
that sounds like what legendaries are supposed to be

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:14:51 No.22577530 Report

Quoted By:

>>22577520
Do you mean that Pokémon with a below 600 BST?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:15:04 No.22577531 Report

Quoted By: >>22577557 >>22577560 >>22577609 >>22577627

>>22577494
Ability: Stall
Stats: 1/48/255/40/255/1
Movepool: Tackle

The ultimate shitmon reporting in.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:15:19 No.22577532 Report

Quoted By: >>22577542

>>22577452
>tfw you kicked that shitposter's ass so hard that he left the thread

Good job dude.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:16:22 No.22577542 Report

Quoted By:

>>22577532
I'm surprised that >>22577452 managed to kick his own ass though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:17:29 No.22577557 Report

Quoted By: >>22577571

>>22577531
You're supposed to put all the stats into Sp Attack. And give it no Special Attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:17:37 No.22577560 Report

Quoted By: >>22577568 >>22577598

>>22577531
That would still have a minimum of 132 HPs btw.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:18:37 No.22577568 Report

Quoted By:

>>22577560
*143 holy shit fuck my maths.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:18:40 No.22577571 Report

Quoted By: >>22577738

>>22577557
Oh, you're right. Revising it.
1/1/255/87/255/1
There, now it's pure imperfection.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:20:52 No.22577598 Report

Quoted By: >>22577618 >>22577620

>>22577560
I thought it would be left at 1 HP no matter what. Does Shedinja work in an unique way that prevents its HP from rising with levels or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:22:09 No.22577609 Report

Quoted By: >>22577622

>>22577531
>stall
>1speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:22:48 No.22577618 Report

Quoted By:

>>22577598
Yes that's exactly it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:22:59 No.22577620 Report

Quoted By:

>>22577598
Yeah Shedinja is special. There are 110 + 31 (the IVs) stat points that are not influenced by the base HP stat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:23:24 No.22577622 Report

Quoted By: >>22577673

>>22577609
It's so that it can't attack Stall Sableye first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:23:54 No.22577627 Report

Quoted By:

>>22577531
>not truant, slow start, or defeatist

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:27:22 No.22577673 Report

Quoted By: >>22577703

>>22577622
>stall sableye
>ever
I know you know. You know i know u know right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:29:31 No.22577693 Report

Quoted By: >>22577875 >>22578174

>>22574782
>japanese names

Post English you stupid weaboo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:30:06 No.22577703 Report

Quoted By:

>>22577673
I don't think you understand.

It would no longer be 100% trash if there was ever a realistic situation where it would manage to attack before the foe.

If it attacked before Stall Sableye, it's just plain simply not perfectly imperfect anymore. That's why it has Stall so that even Stall Sableye can use a move on it first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:33:46 No.22577738 Report

Quoted By: >>22577750

>>22577571
HP / ATT / DEF / SP ATT / SP DEF / SP
1 / 1 / 1 / 595 / 1 / 1
Attacks: Struggle
Ability: Stall

At leadt now Sableye can OHKO it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:34:28 No.22577750 Report

Quoted By: >>22577776

>>22577738
Stats can't go over 255, you dingus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:36:37 No.22577776 Report

Quoted By:

>>22577750
These are ebin hypotheticals
The pursuit of imperfection transcends all boundaries

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 05:47:12 No.22577875 Report

Quoted By: >>22578175

>>22577693
I can't tell if this is bait or if you're genuinely retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 06:30:37 No.22578174 Report

Quoted By:

>>22577693
They are the english names, dumbass

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 06:30:37 No.22578175 Report

Quoted By:

>>22577875
They're sorta the same thing nowadays.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 06:49:55 No.22578309 Report

Quoted By: >>22578565

>gamefaqs

>>22574018
>>22574081
Fucking retards. Smogon doesn't know anything outside of 6v6, ie. a format irrelevant to the real games, and even then their idea of "balance" these days is completely fucked up. They don't balance anything, they just shape the metagame is a way that suits them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 07:30:49 No.22578565 Report

Quoted By: >>22578695

>>22578309
Exactly. Smogon is built on 6v6. That's why they focus on hyper offense and ban anything based on stall or heavy use of RNG. This also happens to be the same reason 6v6 singles will never be an official format, it would take way too long to play out in a tourney, and GF doesn't want to ban stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 07:40:13 No.22578609 Report

Quoted By: >>22578710

SMOGON
NEEDS
TO
STOP
BEING
DISCUSSED
ON
/vp/
BECAUSE
SMOGON
SHOWDOWN
AND SHOWDERP
ARE
CANCER
AND
ITS
NOT
ACTUALLY
POKEMON
RELATED
OR
LEGAL
LIKE
ALL
THE
OTHER
POKEMON
EMULATORS
IT
JUST
SO
HAPPENS
THAT
JANITORS
AND
MODS
FOR
THIS
BOARD
ALSO
ARE
MODS
AND
JANITORS
FOR
SHOWDOWN
SHOWDERP
AND
SMOGON
BUT
THE
IDIOTS
HERE
DONT
REALIZE
IT'S
BEING
PANDERED
TOO
WITHOUT
MOOT
KNOWING
AND
IF
WE
SPAM
EMAILED
MOOT
HE
WOULD
FIND
OUT
WHO
IS
AND
WE'D
NO
LONGER
SEE
THOSE
SHIT
STAIN
POSTS
OR
THREADS
LIKE
THESE
BECAUSE
THERE'D
BE
NO
MORE
ZAREL
COCK
SUCKING

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 07:48:40 No.22578654 Report

Quoted By:

>>22576587

Its a made up Pokemon for crying out loud. It does not have to follow Gamefreaks conventions. Most the COPs were made to see what their effect would be on their metagames.

Does it really fucking matter if some of these guys surpass Arcanines BST? No it fucking doesnt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 07:51:16 No.22578667 Report

Quoted By:

>>22574026

Rhythm games went to shit because they oversaturated the market. Has nothing to do with who they hired to make what game. The fact that anytime I go to an arcade there is someone on the dance pads at all times would refute that alone.

Also In The Groove 2 is better

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 07:52:10 No.22578674 Report

Quoted By: >>22581691

>>22576318
>>22575908
>>22575302
it was retconned to an event move in X/Y, so it still only gets sketch once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 07:54:43 No.22578688 Report

Quoted By:

>>22573998
>the starters are Landorus/Heatran/Talonflame

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 07:55:32 No.22578695 Report

Quoted By:

>>22578565

But singles are fun[/spoilers]

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 07:57:52 No.22578710 Report

Quoted By:

>>22578609
top write

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 08:02:12 No.22578738 Report

Quoted By:

>>22576690
i don't see the problem, looks pretty legendary/pseudo legendary to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 14:30:45 No.22580242 Report

Quoted By:

>>22573998
Oh look it's that faggot tropiOUs from smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 17:55:43 No.22581523 Report

Quoted By:

I have all 5 trophies and a 200 win streak in ORAS, I got the 200 in doubles.

Super Singles - Greninja, Garchomp, M-Latios

Super Doubles - Aron, Aromatisse, Reuniclus, M -Mawile

Super Triples (rain team) - M-Swampert, Politoed, Kingdra, Ludicolo, Garchomp, Scizor

Super Rotation - Scizor, Greninja, M-Salamence, Sylveon

Super multi with myself - Aron, Aromatisse, M-Mawile, M-Slowbro

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 17:56:40 No.22581529 Report

Quoted By: >>22581720

Hi guys.

Is this the thread where we all bash Smogon and say Smogon is shit and show how well we want to fit in to /vp/'s userbase of nine year olds again like we do fifteen times a day?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:18:24 No.22581691 Report

Quoted By:

>>22578674
You do know you can relearn event moves, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jan 2015 18:23:10 No.22581720 Report

Quoted By:

>>22581529
Redew pls

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