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Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 00:48:21 No.22619568 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22619581 >>22619595 >>22620483 >>22621605 >>22621623 >>22621992 >>22622662

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3522559/page-21#post-6005228

So Contrary Serperior (and ONLY Contrary Serperior) was banned from NU.

When will Blaze Blaziken be unbanned from OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 00:50:44 No.22619581 Report

Quoted By: >>22619603 >>22619612

>>22619568
>So Contrary Serperior (and ONLY Contrary Serperior) was banned from NU.

If you ever needed proof Smogon has no idea what they're doing, here it is. Serperior belongs in PU and only PU, gimmick ability or not.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 00:52:26 No.22619588 Report

Quoted By: >>22619599 >>22619611 >>22619716 >>22619766

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 00:54:05 No.22619595 Report

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>>22619568
Because Anon then we could use Mewtwo in PU with no attacking moves! :^)

... is literally the answer you will get from Smogon. The mere suggestion of a complex ban for Pokemon in OU, such has Blaziken, sends them into a tizzy fit of "muh slippery sloooooope!". Even though those Pokemon don't have another home outside of Ubers - having 1 ability banned in NU leaves plenty of tiers for Serperior to play in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 00:55:22 No.22619599 Report

Quoted By: >>22621373

>>22619588
>but not everyone knows Speed Boost makes Blaziken broken

:^)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 00:56:06 No.22619603 Report

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>>22619581
Quit it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 00:56:55 No.22619611 Report

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>>22619588
>or be used as a reason to debate other bans in other teirs.

They are even covering their bases to ensure that Blaziken can never be played outside Ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 00:57:24 No.22619612 Report

Quoted By: >>22619631 >>22620963

>>22619581

Confirmed for not knowing shit

Serperior is also being suspect tested in RU. It will likely get banned.

It's UU-worthyl.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 01:00:24 No.22619631 Report

Quoted By: >>22621969

>>22619612
Based snake is based.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 01:12:02 No.22619716 Report

Quoted By: >>22620189

>>22619588
Really? What the fuck? Because it clearly wasn't fucking Protean that made Greninja so strong, nope, had to ban the frog.

>mfw

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 01:22:50 No.22619766 Report

Quoted By: >>22619811

>>22619588
Well this clears nothing up. Speed Boost and Protean are what got chicken and frog banned respectively.

>it will not be used as precedent... to debate other bans in other tiers
Why not? There's no reasoning given behind this mentality. Is he just a lazy autist?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 01:30:03 No.22619804 Report

Quoted By: >>22620098 >>22620216 >>22620732

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-stage-3-9-9-problems.3522559/page-22#post-6005337

>Previous decision has been amended: it is Serperior itself that is banned, not Contrary. I don't want to open that can of worms, nor that debate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 01:31:02 No.22619811 Report

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>>22619766
Yeah wtf. There's literally no reason given as to why Overgrow Serperior stays while Torrent Greninja and Blaze Blaziken get the boot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 02:25:22 No.22620098 Report

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>>22619804

kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 02:32:29 No.22620152 Report

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Hell, without Speed Boost or Mega, Blaziken should be UU. Infernape is there, and has better coverage, which Blaziken makes up for in being able to SwordsPass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 02:35:36 No.22620177 Report

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>NU AND OU MODS ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE
NU AND OU MODS ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE
>NU AND OU MODS ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE
NU AND OU MODS ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE
>NU AND OU MODS ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE
NU AND OU MODS ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE
>NU AND OU MODS ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE
NU AND OU MODS ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE
>NU AND OU MODS ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE
NU AND OU MODS ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE
>NU AND OU MODS ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE
NU AND OU MODS ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

Why can't NU mods run OU ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 02:38:39 No.22620189 Report

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>>22619716
It wasn't - Greninja was fine in XY and it had Protean

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 02:39:16 No.22620193 Report

Quoted By: >>22620484

>but smogon doesn't do complex bans!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 02:40:13 No.22620216 Report

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>>22619804
It was bound to happen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 03:18:26 No.22620483 Report

Quoted By: >>22620732

>>22619568

So it begins.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 03:18:41 No.22620484 Report

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>>22620193
They only do it when it behooves them.

Anyway, it's about time a Gen 5 starter becomes a threat to an extent. Although I think it will mostly be a niche Pokemon for UU and hardly see usage in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 03:32:10 No.22620603 Report

Quoted By: >>22620611

>people will still defend smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 03:33:17 No.22620611 Report

Quoted By: >>22620629

>>22620603
>actually expecting Contrary snaek to remain NU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 03:36:44 No.22620629 Report

Quoted By: >>22620677

>>22620611
>we don't do complex bans
>except rain that doesn't count
>complex bans serperior
>take it back because they realize they'll get reemed for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 03:37:24 No.22620637 Report

Quoted By: >>22620676 >>22620951

How do you guys run the snake?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 03:45:17 No.22620676 Report

Quoted By: >>22620682

>>22620637
You can't run the snek. Snek has no legs.

You slither the snek.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 03:45:21 No.22620677 Report

Quoted By: >>22621561

>>22620629
Maybe they'd try deviating from the standard formula if retards like you didn't spend their whole life waiting the perfect time to jump on their heads for the smallest controversy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 03:46:10 No.22620682 Report

Quoted By: >>22620923

>>22620676
how do you slither the snake?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 03:55:04 No.22620732 Report

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>>22620483

See

>>22619804

It's not happening, the NU leader decided to ban Serperior as a whole instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 04:12:55 No.22620868 Report

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snek is actually viable even in OU. It is bretty cool

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 04:18:46 No.22620923 Report

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>>22620682
Get some lube

I like to alternate between my left and right hand with a tight grip

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 04:23:49 No.22620951 Report

Quoted By: >>22621328

>>22620637
Lefties
Timid, max SpE/SpA
Sub/Seed/LeafStorm/HPFire

SubSeed anything that thinks it walls you like Chansey. Sub up against things like Ferrothorn who try to spam Twave and set up leaf storm or just kill it. Spam Leaf Storm against everything else. SubSeeding is pretty effective since everything is scared of Leafstorm and opponent will switch a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 04:25:50 No.22620963 Report

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>>22619612

Nah, it'll be back to PU in no time unless Smogon literally panders to retards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 05:28:38 No.22621328 Report

Quoted By: >>22621338 >>22621347 >>22621583

>>22620951
>everything is scared of Leafstorm
>He thinks serperior is even a threat
Good luck getting past heatran or smogonbird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 05:31:14 No.22621338 Report

Quoted By: >>22621354

>>22621328

>Good luck getting past Pokemon banned from the tier Serperior is even remotely usable in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 05:34:29 No.22621347 Report

Quoted By: >>22621354

>>22621328
>Heatran
>Smogonbird
>UU
Nigga what are you doing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 05:36:00 No.22621354 Report

Quoted By: >>22621993

>>22621338
>>22621347
His post had ferrothorn in it so he was talking about OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 05:38:50 No.22621373 Report

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>>22619599
And Nobody knows that Protean makes Greninja broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 06:11:01 No.22621561 Report

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>>22620677
The thing was they weren't consistent, even when they decided to change.

You can deviate, but this ban was literally what people had been calling for with Blaziken, so Blaziken not then getting a similar ban just makes the issue even more apparent.

It's not the deviation, but the lack of consistency with the deviation. That Serperior has now been totally band at least makes them look less like hypocrites, even if you don't agree with banning the entire mon just because of its ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 06:12:59 No.22621567 Report

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NU is run differently from OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 06:19:24 No.22621583 Report

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>>22621328
Heatran without Roar isn't a threat if it comes in on Sub or Leech Seed. Then it just gets stalled to death. If it does have Roar, it is still getting seeded and wittled away. Either way, your complaint basically amount to "X has a counter so it sucks" which some real pleb shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 06:25:02 No.22621605 Report

Quoted By: >>22621609

>>22619568
>This is a ban on Serperior itself

OP can't read, all forms of Serperior are banned from NU and below.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 06:26:41 No.22621609 Report

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>>22621605
That part at the end came later.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 06:31:47 No.22621623 Report

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>>22619568
>When will Blaze Blaziken be unbanned from OU?
When you stop letting your faggoty little rules tell you how to play the game. Which is never

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 07:14:26 No.22621797 Report

Quoted By: >>22621950

You can easily run Serperior in OU.
The only thing you have to worry is about is Heatran and Dragonite.

Substitute / Leaf Storm / Hidden Power Rock / Synthesis -Leftovers

+2 252 SpA Serperior Hidden Power Rock vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 496-584 (167 - 196.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Serperior Hidden Power Rock vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 248-296 (83.5 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock.

Place serperior against a Hydro Pump from Rotom Wash, Sub while he switches to Talonflame, cripple him with Hp Rock.

It shits on Keldeo, Mamosiwhine, Rotom Wash, Slowbro, Sableye and it's Mega, Chansey, Terrakion, Choice Scarf Tyranitar, Excadrill, Azulmarill, Mega Gardevoir, Mega Gallade,Gliscor, Mew, Sylveon. Able to run Coverage Hp Rock to damage Talonflame and Charizard Y and possible Crobats.
Coverage Hp Fire to kill Scizor, Skarmory and Ferrothorn can be one-shot at 3x,
Dragon Pulse can be used to damage Lati@s, Kyurem-B.

It fucks half of OU mons, the other half at least 1/4 of them can be taken out with coverage moves.

This thing will climb to OU, just like did Mega Gallade and Mega Lopunny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 07:55:57 No.22621950 Report

Quoted By: >>22621979

>>22621797
Alot of people are just running scarf on it

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 08:00:59 No.22621969 Report

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>>22619631
based on what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 08:04:22 No.22621979 Report

Quoted By: >>22622093

>>22621950
I don't know what it is even beating with scarf except for other scarfers. Which in my experience is just Lando-T. Actually, the best property of Serperior is that it changes how players play since once it gets rolling there's only so many mons that can stop it. So everyone keeps that "stopper" fresh in the back the whole match since no one wants to lose that way. Combined with other mons, it puts a lot of pressure on the opposing team. As for the scarf, the only time I've ever pulled off the sweep is a time when I wouldn't need the scarf to do it, which is why I switched to the subseed set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 08:07:13 No.22621987 Report

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It'll almost inevitably rise to or be banned from RU anyway. I don't know why they bothered letting it sit around in NU for so long when it was so obviously broken (relative to NU.) Same shit happened with Dragalge, it was ridiculously broken and iirc they chose to keep it in the tier, and then it rose to RU (and is being suspected there.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 08:08:46 No.22621992 Report

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>>22619568
Each tier has a different leader that can do what they want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 08:09:20 No.22621993 Report

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>>22621354
Meh, if you're running shit movepool serpirior in any tier then you're going to be using hidden power to beat certain counters. Pretty sure spdef ferro goes down to a +2 hp fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 08:44:02 No.22622093 Report

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>>22621979
Im just saying, people are stupid and think that contrary makes it only good as some kind of shitty clean up sweeper.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 09:35:14 No.22622269 Report

Quoted By: >>22622273

This is one of the biggest problems with Smogon in XY. There's no consistency between the way each tier is run and it's really unprofessional. OU runs as normally, UU has a new ban every week because there's basically no policy, and now lower tiers are doing complex bans because hey we don't give a shit about anything. What's so difficult about having 1 process used across the whole site?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 09:37:05 No.22622273 Report

Quoted By: >>22622281

>>22622269
Actually just read that Serperior itself is banned now, but the point still stands because it never should have been considered in the first place

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 09:38:26 No.22622281 Report

Quoted By: >>22622285

>>22622273
u wot m8? Serperior is really fucking broken in NU, it had to go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 09:39:56 No.22622285 Report

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>>22622281
No I mean they changed the Contrary Serperior ban to just a Serperior ban, avoiding the complex ban bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 11:42:46 No.22622638 Report

Quoted By: >>22622664

>b-but smogon don't do complex bans!
Fuck off. Smogon itself just proved you wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 11:51:40 No.22622662 Report

Quoted By: >>22622664

>>22619568
Holy fucking shit Smogon

I try to defend the shit you pull but this makes no fucking sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 11:52:54 No.22622664 Report

Quoted By: >>22622675

>>22622638
>>22622662
They changed it to a Serperior ban, and besides, if Overgrow Serperior was still allowed, it'd leave the tier pretty soon since it's almost guaranteed to rise in usage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jan 2015 11:55:31 No.22622675 Report

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>>22622664
Yeah I just saw

Good thing less retarded members are there to patch shit up

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