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Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:28:28 No.22691025 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22691049 >>22691059 >>22691079 >>22691109 >>22691136 >>22691142 >>22691216 >>22691235 >>22691415 >>22691874 >>22696620 >>22700788

So, what can switch safetly into a +2 Serperior and proceed to kill it?

Set:
Leaf Storm
Hp Ground / Rock / Fire
Dragon Pulse
Leech Seed / Protect / Synthesis

Not knowing if HP is Rock, Ground or Fire is a russian rollete to switch in Ferrothorn, TalonFlame, Charizard or Heatran.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:31:52 No.22691049 Report

Quoted By: >>22692002

>>22691025
mega Altaria

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:33:04 No.22691059 Report

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>>22691025
AV Goodra

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:34:02 No.22691066 Report

Quoted By: >>22691119

Not much, but it's fairly easy to revenge kill but can fuck you over if you're not prepared for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:35:30 No.22691079 Report

Quoted By: >>22691116

>>22691025
Sounds like a coinflip. Hopefully it will be sent to the ban list soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:39:47 No.22691109 Report

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>>22691025
Sap Sipper anything pretty much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:39:49 No.22691110 Report

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Unaware Clefable can stall it out

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:40:58 No.22691116 Report

Quoted By: >>22691168

>>22691079
I love this Smogon mentality "ban everything except the stuff I like" -- it's why Heatran has been 20% usage for several years now and why we'll let Landorus-T see 50% usage before even talking about banning it. Serperior actually being good is just too much for idiots to handle. But let's unban Aegislash guys. Really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:41:16 No.22691119 Report

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>>22691066
Is not that easy to outspeed it's 113 base speed.
You'll have to count on a Scarf user or Talonflame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:42:59 No.22691136 Report

Quoted By: >>22691190 >>22691266 >>22691924

>>22691025
What is Talonflame, Heatran, or Gengar? He can't have all three of those hidden powers. One sludge bomb is all you need to kill it from Gengar, or a single fire move from those two. Most speedy megas can also OHKO it or resist all its moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:44:02 No.22691142 Report

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>>22691025
Why did you let Serperior get +2? Switch in when he has +0, eat a +0 leafstorm on someone that resists it, then fuck him with a bug move or something. It's not hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:44:40 No.22691154 Report

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The vast majority of them run HP Fire. Switching in Heatran is fairly low risk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:46:12 No.22691165 Report

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It's so seductive looking

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:46:25 No.22691168 Report

Quoted By: >>22691200

>>22691116
>muh usage stats

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:48:19 No.22691190 Report

Quoted By: >>22691274

>>22691136
After a +2, Gengar will get fucked by its next move. And Heatran needs to watch out for an eventual HP Ground. So these are not safe switches at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:49:21 No.22691200 Report

Quoted By: >>22692781

>>22691168
Great argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:50:45 No.22691216 Report

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>>22691025
Heatran. Hp grounds give it no coverage. Fire and rock are the only option.and goodra, especially if it has sap sipper

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:52:38 No.22691235 Report

Quoted By: >>22691309 >>22691340

>>22691025
>Contrary Serperior was underwhelming in gen v
>/vp/ has trouble with it in gen vi
What changed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:55:52 No.22691266 Report

Quoted By: >>22691343

>>22691136
>He can't have all three of those hidden powers

Obviously, you'll only know which one he's carrying after your ass got blasted by it.

Talonflame is great revenge killer, but a terrible switch in. Hp Rocks are the most common.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 00:57:09 No.22691274 Report

Quoted By: >>22691380

>>22691190
Gengar outspeeds and OHKOs. HP Ground and HP Rock are only good for Heatran and Smogonbird respectively, so running them over HP Fire isn't optimal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:00:59 No.22691309 Report

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>>22691235
people just became less intelligent. or a less intelligent group of people started playing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:04:08 No.22691340 Report

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>>22691235
Shitposting became more common.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:04:14 No.22691343 Report

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>>22691266
Well that's the thing, you can only have 1 hidden power and each one gives you a few types you can't touch.rock can't hit steel but that's about it. Ground can't touch flying or other grass types, fire is probably the safest but not as good as rock unless you see a steel type

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:07:10 No.22691380 Report

Quoted By: >>22691618

>>22691274
Except gengar doesn't outspeed without a scarf and cant take the +2 Leaf Storm

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:09:45 No.22691415 Report

Quoted By: >>22691462 >>22691618

>>22691025
Dragalge shits on it. And it'll never come in on a +2 because I'm not a shitter who can't do prediction 101

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:14:17 No.22691462 Report

Quoted By: >>22691471

>>22691415
If Dragalge comes in on a +0 Leaf Storm it'll have to eat a +2 Dragon Pulse right after. Not sure if it could survive that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:15:22 No.22691471 Report

Quoted By: >>22691552

>>22691462
With full hp it can switch in to a modest leaf storm, then take a Dragon pulse, then OHKO with sludge bomb

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:24:54 No.22691552 Report

Quoted By: >>22691584

>>22691471
Good to know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:28:07 No.22691584 Report

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>>22691552
And assault vest defensive dragalge will beat it every time no matter what, and it's one of the most popular sets. With full sp def and assault vest it isn't even close
0+ SpA Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Serperior: 292-344 (100.3 - 118.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+6 252+ SpA Serperior Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Dragalge: 258-304 (77.2 - 91%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:31:16 No.22691618 Report

Quoted By: >>22691637 >>22691686

>>22691380
+2 252 SpA Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Gengar: 186-220 (71.2 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

It can't take a +4.

>>22691415

+2 252 SpA Serperior Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Dragalge: 216-256 (79.7 - 94.4%) -- 50% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Dragalge: 31-36 (11.4 - 13.2%) -- possible 7HKO after Stealth Rock

If you don't place anything into defenses. It will eat a Leaf Storm on switch in and die to a Dragon Pulse.
Shit gets serious at +4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:33:39 No.22691637 Report

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>>22691618
>0 hp dragalge
On what planet? It's not like people are speed investing a base 44 speed mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:38:24 No.22691686 Report

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>>22691618
So Gengar switches in on the 0 Leaf Storm, takes 35% min damage, then has to take 71.2% from the +2 before attacking. Can check with rocks only at full health.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:47:14 No.22691770 Report

Quoted By: >>22691790 >>22691853 >>22691938

Okay, so far you can wall it with Unaware Clafable, Shitmons wearing Assault Vests and pray it's HP not holding your 4x Weakness.

You can revenge kill it with Talonflame and other Scarf users.

Sounds like Greninja to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:50:37 No.22691790 Report

Quoted By: >>22691815 >>22691861

>>22691770
Except it has no coverage and lower special attack than meganium.I can't be bothered to check but I think it has the lowest attacking stat of any starter

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:53:46 No.22691815 Report

Quoted By: >>22691829

>>22691790
Chesnaught has 74 SpA but yeah

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:55:37 No.22691829 Report

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>>22691815
So it's non relevant attacking is only 1 point lower than serperior's? That's sad

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:59:32 No.22691853 Report

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>>22691770
If you let it set up for two entire turns then it's your fault and you deserve to be swept.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 01:59:59 No.22691861 Report

Quoted By: >>22691887

>>22691790
It has Leaf Storm boosted Hidden Power.
The list of things that can survive it's attacks after a single boost is very scarce.
If your opponent made the correct choice on it's hidden power.
He's not going down before giving you a violent punishment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 02:01:22 No.22691870 Report

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Serperior is a shitmon are people seriously struggling with it in ou?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 02:01:53 No.22691874 Report

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>>22691025
Chandelure with Inflitrator if Serperior is running Substittute

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 02:02:59 No.22691887 Report

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>>22691861
>the list of things that survive is very scarce
Except anything with an assault vest, and that would make sense if you could have every hidden power but you can't. There's going to be entire types you can't touch, let alone all the type combos that exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 02:05:52 No.22691924 Report

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>>22691136
0 Atk Life Orb Serperior Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 28 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 218-257 (81.3 - 95.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 02:07:36 No.22691938 Report

Quoted By: >>22692065

>>22691770
Problem is that you're assuming the wrong thing.

Why is it +2 in OP? When it comes out, it's at +0, anything faster that can take a hit from serperior as it is now can beat it.

Greninja was threatening in addition to not having counters. Hidden power isn't a counter and you're not threatening with Serperior until two turns in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 02:13:31 No.22691970 Report

Quoted By: >>22691989

I love Serperior but it's not nearly good enough to be threatening to anyone even semi-competent in OU, even if he's great in lower tiers.

And why the fuck would you run Leech Seed over Glare?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 02:15:37 No.22691989 Report

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>>22691970
For Chansey, I guess?

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Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 02:18:47 No.22692002 Report

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>>22691049
you know, my best team has both volcarona and ferrothorn in it, so i think that if he does have HP fire, i can send in my killer moth and happily set up some quiver dances.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 02:26:09 No.22692065 Report

Quoted By: >>22693874

>>22691938
No one would bring him on a faster mon that can OHKO or two hit KO him.

You would bring him on a Keldeo, Landorus-T, Rotom Wash, Slowbro, Terrakion, Mew.
Then you'll have to switch, and boom. +2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 03:53:39 No.22692781 Report

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>>22691200
never provided one

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Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 05:56:40 No.22693626 Report

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252 SpA Serperior Dragon Pulse vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 62-74 (16.1 - 19.3%) -- possible 6HKO

With Sap Sipper you can block Leaf Storm and take paltry damage from anything Serperior has. That's as hard counter as you get. Talonflame revenges easily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 06:56:43 No.22693874 Report

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>>22692065
But OP was assuming that it was already +2 when you were switching, which implies that you took a Leaf Storm and THEN decided to switch out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Feb 2015 17:41:27 No.22696620 Report

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>>22691025
Sap Sipper Azumarill

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Anonymous Mon 02 Feb 2015 01:51:17 No.22700788 Report

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>>22691025
Almost anything. It's still shit

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