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Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 12:52:29 No.22720588 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22720611 >>22720633 >>22720788 >>22721398 >>22721473 >>22722100 >>22722247

>SOUND should be a type!!!!!

The people who actually believe this are intellectually devoid. All the other types are diverse and allow for a fuck tonne of ideas. 'Sound' type relates to nothing but 'it screams really loud guiz!!!!!! XD'

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Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 13:01:24 No.22720611 Report

Quoted By: >>22721186

>>22720588
>WinterSun

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Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 13:09:09 No.22720633 Report

Quoted By: >>22720788 >>22721152 >>22721461

>>22720588
I bet you're that anon who claims everything makes noises

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 13:12:29 No.22720643 Report

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What's the purpose of this thread?

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Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 13:36:54 No.22720788 Report

Quoted By: >>22720923 >>22721152

>>22720588
>All the various genres of music
>All the various frequencies and pitches with differing effects in the world
>All the sound-based moves already available in pokemon that aren't just screaming like Sing and Confide
pic related
>>22720633
This. Imagine if Fighting was never a type and people on here started clamouring for a "martial art type!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 13:40:09 No.22720799 Report

Quoted By: >>22720818 >>22720976

Usually, there are some pokemon that embody their type. What does a sound type look like? A speaker?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 13:43:36 No.22720818 Report

Quoted By: >>22720856 >>22721152 >>22721461

>>22720799
Chimecho,Chingling, Bronzong and Kricketune come to mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 13:50:24 No.22720856 Report

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>>22720818
Those are some spectacular designs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 14:03:06 No.22720923 Report

Quoted By: >>22721081

>>22720788
>Imagine if Fighting was never a type and people on here started clamouring for a "martial art type!"
>Every pokemon can punch, kick or do a counter attack, why should there be a brawling type?
>Heck, the point of Pokemon is that they ALL fight!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 14:13:24 No.22720976 Report

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>>22720799
We not only have things like Exploud, Noivern, and Chatot, but even a legendary in Meloetta

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 14:36:45 No.22721081 Report

Quoted By: >>22721143

>>22720923
>implying you're wrong
I sort of get Fighting type and why we have it, but at the same time it sometimes feels redundant (or makes Normal feel redundant).
We may as well have a Beast type, with things like Beast claw and Beast tackle, and Scary Face and Howl now being Beast type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 14:50:53 No.22721143 Report

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>>22721081
oh I'm not saying I'm right. Just that despite everything, we have a fighting type, just like rock is to ground and ice is to water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 14:52:47 No.22721152 Report

Quoted By: >>22721228 >>22721461

>>22720633
OP here. >>22720818 is the anon you're looking for.

>m-muh bell is so powerful it knocks all the other pokemon out!!! I must be sound type!!

>>22720788
A sound type has very few, niche design gimmicks that could appeal to a wide audience. It's a shit element in terms of type matchups, and it's shit in terms of basic design.

You're the standard consumer - you think you know exaclty what you want, but you really don't

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Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 15:00:31 No.22721186 Report

Quoted By: >>22722594

>>22720611
>Jari maenpaa provides support for the ORAS soundtrack
>still gets no recognition from /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 15:07:05 No.22721228 Report

Quoted By: >>22721253 >>22721270

>>22721152
>A sound type has very few, niche design gimmicks that could appeal to a wide audience. It's a shit element in terms of type matchups, and it's shit in terms of basic design.
Yet you entirely ignore all those normal type sound based moves which are all pretty varied design wise, not to mention they already exist as a stronger argument

You can't even doubt their validity if they're in the game already as an existing thing. The only thing making them not sound type is a lack of sound type, sound is a classification of move already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 15:11:34 No.22721253 Report

Quoted By: >>22721261

>>22721228
Powder is a classification for moves, and grass is immune to it. It still should not be a type of it's own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 15:12:58 No.22721261 Report

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>>22721253
Because grass type exists. Likewise punching and fighting type.

What type exists for sound again? Normal?
That didn't stop fairy from existing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 15:15:30 No.22721270 Report

Quoted By: >>22721306

>>22721228
If anything, that weakens your argument. GF have acknowledged that they're not varied enough to be their own type - it's needed to give Normal type special moves, and that's it.

>varied design wise
>Shout, shout loud and shout louder

lol
gg no re

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 15:23:31 No.22721303 Report

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If "Fairy" was changed to "Light", no one would be complaining.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 15:23:50 No.22721306 Report

Quoted By: >>22721372

>>22721270
Not really, GF has acknowledged by classifying them as their own subclass in Gen 3 that there's enough to distinguish them from other things. The only thing they've outright shown is that for some reason or another, there's no desire or need to make it into its own type as of gen 6. But we had pink blobmon since gen 1 and didn't get fairy until gen 6.

It's not even slightly needed to give normal types special moves given that other special type normal moves like tri attack, wring out and Hyper beam exist.

>>Shout, shout loud and shout louder
I know you're mostly doing the strawman thing, but anyone with eyes and or reading comprehension can sort of clearly see that sound based moves range from echos, singing, shock waves, your mentioned shouts, vibrations and more.

This could be an actual platform for a discussion. We even have an entire other thread where some anon listed like 15 species with argument for them being sound type compared to the 9 we got which were supposed to justify fairy, which became an existing type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 15:39:47 No.22721372 Report

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>>22721306
>clearly see that sound based moves range from echos, singing, shock waves
>seeing sound

Yeah, no. And regardless, you still get all that from shouting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 15:43:59 No.22721398 Report

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>>22720588

It makes about as much sense as any other pokemon type. I mean, don't get me wrong, I agree with you, it's fucking retarded, but so are like, half of the existing types that GF somehow manages to make work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 15:56:01 No.22721456 Report

Quoted By: >>22721466

I think the concept of Sound Type Pokemon would be more that it can control soundwaves and vibrations, sure screaming would probably be a big part of it, but also being able to make stuff like sonicboom happen, imagine a Pokemon sorta like Hariyama with gigantic hands that claps to attack.

It sounds pretty cool in concept.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 15:57:09 No.22721461 Report

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>>22721152
No. I'm both>>22720633
and>>22720818

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 15:58:13 No.22721466 Report

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>>22721456
Oh, another idea, a Pokemon that can whistle to use attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 15:59:49 No.22721473 Report

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>>22720588
Eh, it's sure as fuck a better idea than Magic type. That's retarded. Especially after Fairy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 16:04:33 No.22721493 Report

Quoted By: >>22721518

>Wanting a new type after the complete disaster that was fairy type

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 16:11:00 No.22721514 Report

Quoted By: >>22721529 >>22721562 >>22721749 >>22722196

supersonic
grass whistle
metal sound
growl
howl
snarl
noble roar
supersonic
sonic boom
perish song
hyper voice
boom burst
sing
round
synchronoise

soundproof
cacophony

If anybody thinks sound type does not have foundations, they are retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 16:12:13 No.22721518 Report

Quoted By: >>22721530

>>22721493
The idea itself was good, nerfing dragon just like dark nerfed psychic. But it was terribly set up, not enough weaknesses and lots of strengths.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 16:15:22 No.22721529 Report

Quoted By: >>22722014

>>22721514
Cacophony is the same as soundproof and it isn't even in the game.

You are retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 16:15:27 No.22721530 Report

Quoted By: >>22721541

>>22721518
Even if it were properly balanced, the type still looks horribly shoehorned in, given all the mental gymnastics you have to do to justify at least half of the fairy type being related to fairies in any way whatsoever.

This would also apply to sound. If they wanted to add new types, they should have done it no later than gen 4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 16:18:34 No.22721541 Report

Quoted By: >>22721569

>>22721530
Fairy is basically just girly type. It's a stupid argument, but it's enough to justify why pretty much anything is given the typing. Strong against "manly" types like fighting and dragon (I guess dark could be considered manly).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 16:25:50 No.22721562 Report

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>>22721514
Just keep metal sound and grasswhistle as their types.

I mean, Dragon Ascent is flying type.
I still don't know why they didn't just call it Atmospheric Ascent or Cosmic Ascent or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 16:28:48 No.22721569 Report

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>>22721541
dark = evil you cockgobbling mongloid. fairies repel evil.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 16:35:06 No.22721595 Report

Quoted By: >>22722105

There are a lot of sound moves yes and lots of Pokemon that could qualify as sound and I wouldn't be opposed the idea exactly. I'm still sort of on the fence with this though.

However think of how sound fits on the type chart and then we will see if its good or not.

Its got a decent foundation but how does it fit into the game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 16:56:38 No.22721692 Report

Quoted By: >>22721822 >>22722105

What would Sound moves be super effective against? What would they be weak against?
What types would be super effective against Sound? What would be weak against it?

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Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 17:07:18 No.22721741 Report

Quoted By: >>22722262 >>22722293

Sound type? No way.

Cosmic type is where it's at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 17:09:05 No.22721749 Report

Quoted By: >>22722149 >>22722564

>>22721514
>removing mega gardevoir and sylveon's niches
>removing altaria's versatility

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 17:25:03 No.22721822 Report

Quoted By: >>22721973 >>22722102

>>22721692
Sound could be super effective against psychic since loud noises can break concentration.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 17:47:00 No.22721973 Report

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>>22721822
That makes sense. It would also make sense if Electric was super effective against Sound because lighting is faster than sound waves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 17:52:52 No.22722007 Report

Quoted By: >>22722053

If we're being consistent with sound type, then i guess we should have jaw type, fist type, powder type, pulse type as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 17:53:54 No.22722014 Report

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>>22721529
Still coded for the Game

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:00:43 No.22722053 Report

Quoted By: >>22722164

>>22722007
Yeah, make a dark, Fighting, and grass type.

No wait no those are three stupid ideas, gamefreak would never go for those.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:04:33 No.22722091 Report

Quoted By: >>22722179

I would say that the Sound type is fucking retarded and will never happen but I said the same thing about fairy and I don't want to be in a bunch of screencaps again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:05:37 No.22722100 Report

Quoted By: >>22722149

>>22720588
>---ate hyper voice is a kill

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:05:59 No.22722102 Report

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>>22721822
I know it makes sense, but please no. GF has shat on Psychic way too much already

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:06:10 No.22722105 Report

Quoted By: >>22722475

>>22721595
>>22721692
Abomasnow gets soundproof because sound is muffled in the snow. Sound travels better in steel and water. Birds are really sensitive to sound. Fairy can be either that nature fairies hide from any created sounds or using the girls argument, can't deal with high pitch or shock waves.

Ice resists it, SE on fairy/steel/water
Have it resist flying. In the other thread it was suggested that sound and psychic are SE on eachother like bug/fighting in reverse. Fast bards can fuck up magician spells, but a magician can cast silence on a bard. That sounded cool to me. NVE it on grass and poison and you severely help the type chart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:16:35 No.22722149 Report

Quoted By:

>>22721749
>>22722100
Fucking good. Those were a cancer to the game when fairy already had dazzling gleam. There's no reason Sylveon should get a stronger Hyper Voice than Meloetta.
Not to mention it would actually be fantastic for balance not letting Fairies have such huge power moved with no drawbacks or giving fucking Salamence a buff of all things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:19:50 No.22722164 Report

Quoted By: >>22722206 >>22722214

>>22722053
Those three do make sense. Dark is "evil" pokémon. Fighting type is expert in martial arts. Grass is, well, plants.

What can sound type do that no type else can't? Any normal pokémon can do any sound move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:22:07 No.22722179 Report

Quoted By: >>22722214

>>22722091
Fairy does have a reasoable niche. Just like psychic to fighting, Fairy is the opposite of dark.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:24:07 No.22722196 Report

Quoted By: >>22722230

>>22721514
All the types are justified eg
Ground = The ground, earth, etc
Rock = A solid, perhaps sharp, rock
Water = Fluid, wet
Ice = A solid block of ice. Freezing cold temperatures can kill.
Psychic = Science-fiction magic
Fairy = Actual mystical magic
Dark = Fighting dirty, bullies
Fighting = Strong, humanoid, relies on muscular strength

Do you fucking get it?

>There are soundy attacks!
Most of them are Normal type, for a reason, so get over it. Sound is fucking lame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:25:22 No.22722206 Report

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>>22722164
>Dark = Fighting dirty, bullies
Oh come on. That isn't more reasonable than Sound as a type.

I'm not saying sound should or will happen but that is just retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:26:25 No.22722214 Report

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>>22722164
Most Pokemon can't do something like Boomburst.

Every living thing produces heat yet there's still a fire type. Every single Pokemon fights yet there's a fighting type. Apparently almost every single Pokemon can learn Toxic.

>>22722179
Fighting is opposite to Dark actually. Hence why fighting is SE.

Fairy's closest opposite is dragon if anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:28:30 No.22722230 Report

Quoted By: >>22722317

>>22722196
Most of those are a lot less justified than sound and actually don't even fit. Look at fairies and play rough. That fighting type description doesn't even make sense with things like Meinshao and Lucario
>humanoid
The swords of justice even goddamn

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:31:25 No.22722247 Report

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>>22720588
Why the heck is Daniel Bryan's head on that meme? That's just nasty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:33:09 No.22722262 Report

Quoted By: >>22722293 >>22722602

>>22721741
I'm all for this but is it much different to Psychic? If you mean in terms of aliens, I don't think it is, if you mean in terms of stars, planets etc, they're made of everything that exists on Earth anyway.

I propose an Artificial type - Make Porygon, Ditto and Mewtwo Artificial-type
And Beast type - Everything that's left as Normal becomes Beast, and is now NVE against Ice and SE against Fairy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:38:06 No.22722293 Report

Quoted By: >>22722353 >>22722355

>>22722262
>>22721741
I was with cosmic type until Gen 6 happened and fairy took it in a half hearted attempt to try to be relevant.
>azumarill is a fairy because
>uh
>moon rabbits yeah
>moonblast is a fairy move too I guess
>clefable's from the moon? Nah that's a fairy thing now
So between fairy and psychic, a cosmic/space type is as redundant as a light type would be. Which sort of makes me sad since I liked the concept of getting more space mons.
And what makes me even more upset because things like fucking cresselia have a moon on its face and it's not fairy, it has to stay psychic because GF doesn't care about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:42:09 No.22722317 Report

Quoted By: >>22722355

>>22722230
Swords of justice have the ability justified :]

They're muskateers and have swords and shit, with the signature move sacred sword or whatever. Most fighting types are justified are usually martial artists, super buff looking or nimble and evasive. Its pretty justified.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:47:17 No.22722353 Report

Quoted By: >>22722365

>>22722293
Well tbh all of the little pixie legends could've used a fairy typing addition.

Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Shaymin, Victini

Most if them are psychic types but would make more sense as fairies. Especially Jirachi and Celebi.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:47:45 No.22722355 Report

Quoted By: >>22722424

>>22722317
And how is that any less justified than
>All forms of sound waves, vibration, music/singing/voice, shouts and noise being made into a type with several dozen representatives already all needing a boost and normal being the absolute easiest typing to change into other things (even between generations for no particular reason)
Tell me the type chart is fine as it is. Especially thanks to Fairy, meaning GF is fine with adding new types for balance even in the current frame of the game. Tell me Exploud, Meloetta, Chatot, Chimecho, and Noivern don't need any type of boost at all. Give me a type that's more justifiable to add, given the arguments in >>22722293

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:49:53 No.22722365 Report

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>>22722353
Celebi isn't a goddamned fairy and neither is the lake trio.

That's probably what upsets me the most. Fairy could've been the lore type to act as a parallel to Dragon. The mythological type if blue time horse is a dragon just because reasons. It could've had a lot of potential.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 18:59:26 No.22722420 Report

Quoted By: >>22722457 >>22722511 >>22722589

I'm curious, if Sound became its own type it would need new pokemon of that type, wouldn't it?

How would you make more sound-based designs that aren't made redundant by existing designs? All the other designs are versatile, you can do so much with them, but Sound is so specific. We already have the song bird, the living instruments (windchime/bell), the singer, the pokemon with a built-in speaker set. Anything that reuses those concepts would be rebuffed as a clone and a rip-off, but the options are really limited.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 19:00:03 No.22722424 Report

Quoted By: >>22722475

>>22722355
Tell me how sound would balance out anything?

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Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 19:01:12 No.22722434 Report

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Saiyan should be a type

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 19:05:00 No.22722457 Report

Quoted By: >>22722535

>>22722420
Sounds like most Pokemon that exist, looking at Gen 5.

There are a bunch of instruments, we can get a proper thunder based Pokemon rather than just lightning all the time, things like Audino and Noivern which are just things with like audio features are simple as fuck. We still don't have many vibration based Pokemon and only like one singer and maybe one opera singer. We could even make Pokemon based on genres. Rock/Sound type for rock and roll. Steel/sound for Metal.
Boombox Rotom with Boomburst nigga. We even have deep sea horrific sounds which we need to represent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 19:06:00 No.22722475 Report

Quoted By:

>>22722424
This very thread has >>22722105

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 19:09:31 No.22722511 Report

Quoted By:

>>22722420
actual notes, rests, sharps and cleffs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 19:13:46 No.22722535 Report

Quoted By: >>22722699

>>22722457
>elder God deep sea water/sound legendary
That's legitimately frightening

I'm sort of imagining sound type could be the absence of sound too actually. Kinda like some incarnations of the Litch King or Death that make you unable to speak or make any noise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 19:18:19 No.22722564 Report

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>>22721749
They can easily fix that issue by introducing a special equivalent of Return. Pixilate would be completely wasted on the special fairies if Hyper Voice wasn't a Normal attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 19:22:30 No.22722589 Report

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>>22722420
I was kind of leaning towards sound being a thing until I read your post. Sound would probably end up becoming a secondary type to some preexisting (I think they are already listed in a post somewhere) and a few future Pokemon. The options for new pure Sound types would be very limited.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 19:23:07 No.22722594 Report

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>>22721186
Except the soundtrack is shit aside from Zinnia, Maison bosses, Steven, Aqua Boss, and Mt Pyre

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 19:24:41 No.22722602 Report

Quoted By: >>22722728

>>22722262
Cosmic would involve shit like meteors, comets, solar wind, solar flares, black holes, supernovas, possibly even more light-based attacks, and so on. Gravity, Cosmic Power, and Lunar Dance could be retyped. The Clefairy line could be made Fairy/Cosmic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 19:38:17 No.22722699 Report

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>>22722535
like how Fire moves are associated with Burn and Electric with Paralysis, Sound could have Deafen.
As for removing sound or absorbing it/creating a vacuum, that could be a Legendary-only terrain/weather like M-Ray's Strong Winds. Causes all enemy pokemon to be Deafened and stops their Sound moves working.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 19:40:40 No.22722728 Report

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>>22722602
If Cosmic was ever a type, Psychic should be immune to it since they're all about using cosmic powers and entities to increase their psychic powers.

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