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Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:43:11 No.22723787 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22723801 >>22723804 >>22723840

Guidelines
1.Use pastebin if you want to show us your team, don't be a faggot!

>Sites
nuggetbridge.com
eggyemporium.com (Wolfe Glick and Markus Stadter's VGC blog)
http://www.oldmanvgc.com/ (jap meta site, has English translations)

>YouTube channels
http://pastebin.com/kKEpQSUN
http://nuggetbridge.com/forums/topic/8765-pokemon-vgc-youtube-resources/

>Helpful links and articles
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/an-early-vgc-2015-metagame-overview/
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/vgc-15-pokemon-speed-tiers/
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/flawless-bust-catch-perfect-legendary-pokemon-omega-ruby-alpha-sapphire/
http://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/battle/oras/#double (usage stats and recommendations)
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/defend-yourself-with-a-question/ (how to stop playing like a fag)
https://gamut-was-taken.github.io/ (ORAS damage calc)
http://www.teammagma.net/teambuilder/

Old thread: >>22713807
ToTT: snow warning machamp, good or bad idea?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:43:59 No.22723794 Report

Quoted By: >>22723811 >>22724473

/me throws shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:44:36 No.22723801 Report

Quoted By: >>22723826 >>22724473

>>22723787
Was just about to make one.

Snow Warning Machamp is a terrible idea as it encourages people to bring that crappy argument here.
Also where's the "Be Polite" line?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:45:12 No.22723804 Report

Quoted By: >>22724473

>>22723787
Too OP, can't wait for verilis to make a video on it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:46:19 No.22723811 Report

Quoted By: >>22723839 >>22724473

>>22723794
is this the point where we become more circlejerk than discussion?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:47:17 No.22723826 Report

Quoted By: >>22724473

>>22723801
>where's the "Be Polite" line?
Gone, it shouldn't have ever been there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:47:30 No.22723828 Report

Quoted By: >>22723915 >>22724473

>I run 'fast' sylveon
what's the point? you creep other sylveon, great. sylveon does so much damage you want to outspeed and OHKO it anyway. I guess its useful in some situations but the vast majority of the time those EVs are better used in bulk. staggering how many very fast sylveon I've seen

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:48:52 No.22723839 Report

Quoted By: >>22724473

>>22723811
We're starting to have our own memes. It's all Showderp territory from here on out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:49:08 No.22723840 Report

Quoted By: >>22723847 >>22723852 >>22723859 >>22723875 >>22723879 >>22724473

>>22723787
Looking to use a scizor on my team, how's this look?

Scizor @ Rawst Berry
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite
- Swords Dance
- Feint

oy veye !R7DICKScIM

oy veye !R7DICKScIM Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:50:02 No.22723847 Report

Quoted By: >>22723884

>>22723840
>Rawst Berry

not very good, just go with LO, if that's taken go Lum, if thats taken, go Expert Belt or Steel Plate

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:50:26 No.22723852 Report

Quoted By: >>22724473

>>22723840
heat wave/10

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:51:06 No.22723859 Report

Quoted By: >>22723884 >>22723888 >>22724473

>>22723840
looks fine. the speed over bulk is kinda strange but it does help creep some shit like rotom-w, a very usable spread. you might consider protect over feint since scizor is gonna become a target after a swords dance and its just useful in general, in practice I've found feint isn't too useful unless you're using a strategy like trick room or tailwind where it helps to break through last turn protects

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:52:02 No.22723875 Report

Quoted By: >>22724473

>>22723840
ok, I had my trip left on but anyway

>Rawst Berry
I wouldn't say thats good, I'd go with LO or Lum Berry and if they're taken, go with Expert Belt or Steel Plate

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:52:15 No.22723879 Report

Quoted By: >>22724473

>>22723840
Thank you for this.
Rawst Berry (heals burn) sucks, may as well use Lum Berry (heals all status ailments) or Occa Berry (halves damage from Fire Attacks)
Scizor is pretty slow so 252 Speed often won't help anyway. 252HP/252Atk/4 SpD is probably the better way to go, or use a damage calculator to find a more EV spread based on what hits you want to survive and what you want to KO
Feint is cool but unless you can play it very well, Tailwind, Superpower, Roost or Protect would work better. Keep in mind that when you're boosted with Swords Dance, people will prioritise killing Scizor, so Protect in particular is useful to get them to waste turns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:52:40 No.22723884 Report

Quoted By: >>22723894 >>22723904 >>22724473

>>22723859
I would add that scizor isn't the best pokemon in this meta but certainly usable, you might try bisharp in that slot since it can actually OHKO sylveon after intimidate. >>22723847
why are you tripping

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:52:59 No.22723888 Report

Quoted By: >>22724473

>>22723859
That's what I was thinking, I've only used feint once and it would have served me better using a different move. Thanks anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:53:22 No.22723894 Report

Quoted By: >>22723919 >>22724473

>>22723884
dont bully me it was a mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:55:16 No.22723904 Report

Quoted By: >>22723919 >>22724473

>>22723884
I was wanting a steel type that wasn't weak to ground, neutral to fairy, and had reliable priority

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:56:17 No.22723915 Report

Quoted By: >>22723926 >>22724473

>>22723828
I use a spread like 4HP, 180Defm 248SpA (HP ground), 76Spd
The 76 speed EVs puts it up to 90 which with a tailwind outspeeds max speed Thundurus-I, and the more commonly seen Terrakion. 180Def still lets it take a Jolly Return from M-Kang and CB Brave Bird from Talonflame.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:56:37 No.22723919 Report

Quoted By: >>22724473

>>22723894
/me bully
>>22723904
scizor is certainly usable and maybe it fits your team perfectly whereas bisharp might not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:56:55 No.22723922 Report

Quoted By: >>22723971 >>22724473

Been playing about with Kecleon recently.
It's reasonably bulky, gets good coverage, and is powerful with Protean
Right now I'm using Fake Out/Shadow Sneak/ Sucker Punch/Drain Punch, the idea being that Shadow Sneak and Sucker Punch give perfect defensive synergy, while Drain Punch lets me heal back up
It feels like I could do with abusing coverage though, so I'm thinking Fire Punch or Ice Punch over one of Shadow Sneak or Sucker Punch
Anybody have any experience or input on this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:57:42 No.22723926 Report

Quoted By: >>22724473

>>22723915
that's true, I hadn't considered spreads which take tailwind into account.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 21:59:53 No.22723944 Report

Quoted By: >>22723980 >>22724007 >>22724085 >>22724473

Has anyone had their match yet for the NB major? How did it go?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:03:14 No.22723971 Report

Quoted By: >>22724473

>>22723922
you could fit Ice Punch somewhere in there because it gives good coverage against threats in this meta, with stab it's even better

while Kecleon is sort of bulky it can't take physical hits very well, Mega Mence one-shots it most of the time I think, and it doesn't like taking collateral damage from spread attacks so maybe you could try protect in there unless you're using AV, you haven't specified the item you run on it

Kecleon is cool but it's not the hardest hitter there is so just make sure you're using it because it gives you something other mon can't do better

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:03:51 No.22723977 Report

Quoted By: >>22723985 >>22723996 >>22723997 >>22724473

Do I still have to bother creating the threads or will there always be a kind anon to do it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:04:29 No.22723980 Report

Quoted By: >>22724085 >>22724473

>>22723944
Still no response from my opponent, hasn't even seen my PM.

I'm hoping they just don't and I get a free win

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:05:49 No.22723985 Report

Quoted By: >>22723997 >>22724088 >>22724473

>>22723977
why are you avatarfagging with female volcarona? my advice would be to make new threads if no one else has done it after a reasonable time

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:06:45 No.22723996 Report

Quoted By: >>22724473

>>22723977
I was about to make this thread but got beaten to it. I think this was a special case though, as shitposting got over the top.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:06:49 No.22723997 Report

Quoted By: >>22724088 >>22724132 >>22724473

>>22723977
if you do drop the be polite thingy, it's gay af

>>22723985
also this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:08:10 No.22724007 Report

Quoted By: >>22724473

>>22723944
I'm in contact with my opponent, but I'm at my parents' house with only mobile internet until the weekend, so I hope there's no way my opponent can demand a match in the next few days.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:18:34 No.22724085 Report

Quoted By: >>22724473

>>22723980
Where's the fun in that?

>>22723944
My match will probably be tomorrow. I'm ready but my opponent doesn't have his team ready.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:18:52 No.22724088 Report

Quoted By: >>22724132 >>22724146 >>22724189 >>22724473

>>22723985
I only avatarfag when I don't want to be 100% anonymous. I post in this thread all the time lel

>>22723997
You're gay af imho

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:24:18 No.22724132 Report

Quoted By: >>22724140 >>22724146 >>22724172 >>22724189 >>22724473

>>22723997
>>22724088
tfw I'm literally gay and wish VGC general would remain the most polite general

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:25:19 No.22724140 Report

Quoted By: >>22724473

>>22724132
We're pretty polite in comparison to the others, until someone actually brings it up.

All downhill from there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:26:11 No.22724146 Report

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>>22724132
Yeah, same. I'm this guy here >>22724088 the old op

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:30:26 No.22724172 Report

Quoted By: >>22724195

>>22724132
Is it still gay if you find dicks fascinating but would never want one up your butt (and vice versa)?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:32:26 No.22724186 Report

Quoted By: >>22724274 >>22724311

Wow Serebii somehow got worse at Pokemon since his days of using Endure + Double-Edge Arcanine on NetBattle.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:32:42 No.22724189 Report

Quoted By: >>22724201 >>22724207 >>22724231 >>22724242

Do you guys like Kingler? of course you do, let me share this thing with you:

Kingler @ Expert Belt
Ability: Hyper Cutter
Level: 50
EVs: 244 HP / 36 Atk / 4 Def / 212 SpD / 12 Spe
Impish Nature
- Crabhammer
- Knock Off
- Ally Switch
- Wide Guard

I was planning to use this guy with a Mega Sceptile but I'm sure it can work with other mons too.

It bulks adamant Kanga Double Edge and is able to take specs Sylveon's Hyper Voice if needed to. Offensively has Hyper Cutter which makes it immune to intimidate and with Expert Belt it has a nice chance of getting the OHKO on Landorus-T (if for some reason it decides to stay in this cool crab), Knock Off is good for what Knock Off is good for, but it can be changed for one of the other moves it gets (which aren't many).

Ally Switch and Wide Guard are its support moves and we already know what they do.

Do you like Kingler a little more now?

>>22724088
no u

>>22724132
that explains a lot faggot, still don't think that a single line in the OP is what keeps these threads as polite as they are

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:33:18 No.22724195 Report

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>>22724172
Sexuality is more of a gradient, you don't have to exclusively like boys or girls. You're just a little bit, dicks excite even straight males.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:34:19 No.22724201 Report

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>>22724189
Please do not bully my op.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:35:47 No.22724207 Report

Quoted By: >>22724238

>>22724189
ally switch is kinda gimmicky and not too useful in the long run, I ran it on gardevoir and never found myself using it. wide guard and hyper cutter are cool though, it has big attack. I've tried to use kingler in the past, but a jolly scarf set

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:40:02 No.22724231 Report

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>>22724189
If you want Wide Guard plus Ally switch why not try Hitmontop which has some other support options as well.
A poke that does deserves a little more than the nonexistent attention it currently gets is Parasect, Wide Guard + Rage Powder + Spore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:40:32 No.22724238 Report

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>>22724207
Ally Switch is good for using it when your opponent isn't expecting it, after that it sort of becomes a 50/50 for both sides depending if you're going to use it again or not. The fact that it only has +1 priority is what keeps it form being a more valid option.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:41:06 No.22724242 Report

Quoted By: >>22724255 >>22724268 >>22724318

>>22724189
Not sure it's even worse investing in Special Defence, since it'll probably die to any Electric or Grass attack anyway, and Wide Guard stops Sylveon being a problem. I'd probably suggest running it with Tailwind, since it can hit hard but is outsped by most of the metagame.
I'm surprised it has such a good support movepool though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:42:39 No.22724255 Report

Quoted By: >>22724285

>>22724242
Anon mentioned Mega Sceptile so electricity wont be a problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:44:04 No.22724268 Report

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>>22724242
>and Wide Guard stops Sylveon being a problem
not related to kingler but never think wide guard keeps you safe from sylveon, hyper beam hits crazy hard and they all run it. even though you think no one will see wide guard kingler coming many people will especially if you've played them before

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:45:07 No.22724274 Report

Quoted By: >>22724334

>>22724186
He was experimenting weird combos on Battle Spot, anon. He wasn't battling seriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:46:40 No.22724285 Report

Quoted By: >>22724301 >>22724304 >>22724318

>>22724255
but doesn't lightning rod negate any electric attacks no matter who it gets directed at?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:48:26 No.22724300 Report

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https://twitter.com/CybertronVGC/status/563098629565861889

*tips paddy hat* vice is trash git gud aaron

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:48:33 No.22724301 Report

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>>22724285
Yes. That's why im saying electric type attacks won't be a problem for Kingler if Mega Sceptile is on the field with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:49:13 No.22724304 Report

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>>22724285
Yes, it redirects single-target Electric attacks to Sceptile, who gains an immunity to it (and gets the boost).
It doesn't affect multi-target electric moves, but they're weak enough that Kingler could survive them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:49:53 No.22724311 Report

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>>22724186
Did you not notice the title of his stream? He wasn't battling to battle or show skill, he was battling to experiment unusual setups

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:50:40 No.22724318 Report

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>>22724242
notice that I said "if needed to" which means you can take one when at full HP to do something else like attacking, also investing in its sp. def isn't exclusively for Sylveon, Kingler needs some special bulk and dedicated walls in dubs aren't a good idea

>>22724285
it redirects them so, while a lighningrod mon is on the field it shouldn't worry about them unless it's a spread one like Discharge. I planned on using it with Mega Sceptile since they sort of cover each other defensively. Kingler can take Ice Beams/Punches for Sceptile with ally switch and at the same time Sceptile can take grass moves directed at it. Sort of gimmicky but it's there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:54:36 No.22724334 Report

Quoted By: >>22724376

>>22724274
It was frustrating seeing him in so many situations where a single normal move could have won the game though. Gimmicks can be good (Anger Point Krookodile, Whimsirakkion, PachiGyara etc.) but these were clearly just crap.
Was it Serebii who first used FEAR or did I imagine that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 22:59:09 No.22724376 Report

Quoted By: >>22724399

>>22724334
Yeah but people don't know what gimmicks work until it's tested. I could tell from his stream that he enjoys testing the potential of unconventional things.

I have no doubt that if he did a "standard" team, he'd do well. He's not a bad battler.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:03:56 No.22724399 Report

Quoted By: >>22724419 >>22724429

>>22724376
this is what kills me about Alex Ogloza's channel even though he's using a pretty standard team atm
>casual ass people in the comments complain about teams being too 'standard' and want alex to use shitmons
>he uses garbage like spinda
>le happy casuals.png
why are you even watching vgc if you're a casual who likes to see people struggle with shitmons? go watch shofu or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:06:26 No.22724419 Report

Quoted By: >>22724460 >>22724483

>>22724399
shofu struggles with 'standard' teams in vgc, have you seen his latest upload? he lost to whimsicott/m gengar encore shenanigans and then the very next battle he found on showdown he set up a dragon dance when another whimsicott was on the field

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:07:35 No.22724429 Report

Quoted By: >>22724437

>>22724399

By the nature of being a Pokémon broadcaster, you want to indulge casual fans because they're more numerous than hardcore players and more likely to hit the subscribe button. Plus, those casuals might see a video or two and want to compete themselves, and some of those might even decide they want to git gud.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:08:29 No.22724437 Report

Quoted By: >>22724450

>>22724429
Serebii's stream has actually encouraged me to do some unconventional stuff. His Nidoking/Cloyster lead combo is surprisingly solid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:09:55 No.22724450 Report

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>>22724437
I've used the Nidos a lot, and honestly prefer Nidoqueen. They both get the same OHKOs very easily, neither outspeed an awful lot, and Nidoqueen is a bit bulkier. There were two Nidoqueens at worlds and no Nidokings, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:11:22 No.22724460 Report

Quoted By: >>22724475

>>22724419
That was hilarious

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:12:40 No.22724473 Report

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>>22723794
>>22723801
>>22723804
>>22723811
>>22723826
>>22723828
>>22723839
>>22723840
>>22723852
>>22723859
>>22723875
>>22723879
>>22723884
>>22723888
>>22723894
>>22723904
>>22723915
>>22723919
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>>22723971
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>>22723985
>>22723996
>>22723997
>>22724007
>>22724085
>>22724088
>>22724132
>>22724140

This.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:13:03 No.22724475 Report

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>>22724460
man it was frustrating to watch, he's so bad at vgc.
>fucking kings rock fling raichu
>no encore

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:14:10 No.22724483 Report

Quoted By: >>22724504

>>22724419
Prankster Encore is weird. It feels like you have to be really stupid to fall for it, and it doesn't work unless you fuck up, yet almost everybody does fuck up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:16:15 No.22724495 Report

Quoted By: >>22724510 >>22724522 >>22724528

Quick Guard Terrakion is good

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:17:49 No.22724504 Report

Quoted By: >>22724522

>>22724483

You'd think that people would be more wary of it, too, considering that Encore Raichu was FotM on Showdown about six months ago. Maybe Showdown kiddies just have short memories.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:18:20 No.22724510 Report

Quoted By: >>22724528

>>22724495
I love it, no one anticipates it since le double kick terrakion meme started (double kick is shit a lot of bisharp are life orb anyway, smeargle isn't that common.) you're gonna get way more use out of quick guard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:19:09 No.22724518 Report

Quoted By:

Thoughts on this build?
Cofagrigus @ Leftovers
Ability: Mummy
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 124 SpD
Bold Nature
- Ally Switch
- Shadow Ball
- Will-O-Wisp
- Magic Coat
Thinking of taking out Magic coat for trick room, as half of my team can make use of it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:20:07 No.22724522 Report

Quoted By: >>22724557

>>22724495
Really? I thought it beat Talonflame most of the time anyway?
Wide Guard to stop Hyper Voices and Earthquakes seems more useful.

>>22724504
That was just when Baz Anderson won a Nugget Bridge tournament with it and made a team report. It was like Pachirisu but slightly more versatile.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:21:04 No.22724528 Report

Quoted By: >>22724542 >>22724552 >>22724557

>>22724495
>>22724510
i'm running taunt on mine in the le double kick/filler slot because my team was lacking it. what advantages does quick guard give you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:23:03 No.22724542 Report

Quoted By: >>22724700

>>22724528
block's kangaskhan's fake out which happens huge amounts on the ladder
>turn 1 they lead sylveon/kang like every faggot ever
>I lead bisharp/terrakion
>fake out is blocked while they either switch to gain momentum or try to attack something
>I get the free OHKO on sylveon with bisharp
meanwhile double kick is doing nothing until you run into the odd sash bisharp or smeargle

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:25:10 No.22724552 Report

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>>22724528
bravest birde and fake out if you outspeed. Plus prankster priority moves. I think the wide guard and quick guard should be in a higher priority bracket than fake out though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:25:49 No.22724557 Report

Quoted By: >>22724572 >>22724581 >>22724700

>>22724522
It can't learn Wide Guard, it's good for stuff like weakened Conkeldurrs/scizors/slower priority users who pretty much rely on it to pick something off without dying

It also fucks over Kang when you need to hit it during the Fake Out turn but your mons are likely to die to it, and it works well with Mega Gross because 99% players will Sucker against it and its just really fucking neat

>>22724528
Essentially immunity to all relevant priority outside of Talonflames Brave Bird and MegaGross' Bullet Punch and is great for fucking up Kang leads since it also blocks Fake Out

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:28:08 No.22724572 Report

Quoted By: >>22724589

>>22724557
>Essentially immunity to all relevant priority outside of Talonflames Brave Bird and MegaGross' Bullet Punch
but quick guard blocks those moves, it is +3 priority

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:29:32 No.22724581 Report

Quoted By: >>22724589 >>22724591

>>22724557
> all relevant priority outside of Talonflames Brave Bird and MegaGross' Bullet Punch
the only priority it doesn't block is faster fake outs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:31:02 No.22724589 Report

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>>22724572
>>22724581
oops im dumb, when I'm battling I keep getting that confused with Fake Out for some reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:31:30 No.22724591 Report

Quoted By: >>22724597 >>22724601 >>22724615

>>22724581
what about extremespeed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:31:33 No.22724593 Report

Quoted By: >>22724598 >>22724604 >>22724611

Hey guys. Easiest way to breed for HP without injection?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:32:37 No.22724597 Report

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>>22724591
extremespeed is +2, quick guard is +3

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:32:42 No.22724598 Report

Quoted By: >>22724642

>>22724593
either inject or get a hacked ditto, it's torture otherwise

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:32:57 No.22724600 Report

Quoted By: >>22724644

What's a good partner for Assault Vest suicune?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:33:08 No.22724601 Report

Quoted By: >>22724646

>>22724591
Espeed is +2 to Quick Guard is +3.
Espeed can avoid Follow Me and Rage Powder though as they're +2 as of gen6

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:33:15 No.22724604 Report

Quoted By: >>22724642

>>22724593
inject/rng (if u have previous games) a ditto with the hidden power you want. i have HP dittos i genned in b2 and brought through bank

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:34:24 No.22724611 Report

Quoted By: >>22724642

>>22724593
Either inject one or waste 3 hours of your life trying to breed one with a hacked ditto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:35:00 No.22724615 Report

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>>22724591
Both Fake Out and Quick Guard have +3 priority, which means the faster one goes first, Extreme Speed is +2, therefore will always go after Quick Guard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:36:56 No.22724634 Report

Quoted By: >>22724658 >>22726905

>that salt
I love Trista

https://twitter.com/ryuzaki_vgc

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:37:46 No.22724642 Report

Quoted By: >>22724682

>>22724598
>>22724604
>>22724611
fuck, figured. thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:37:53 No.22724644 Report

Quoted By: >>22724801

>>22724600
>AV Suicune

what

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:37:57 No.22724646 Report

Quoted By:

>>22724601
I used to run a really fun Volcarona set back in gen 5 based around redirecting fake outs into it.
Why did Game Freak have to ruin it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:39:15 No.22724658 Report

Quoted By: >>22724671 >>22724680

>>22724634
what happened?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:40:15 No.22724671 Report

Quoted By:

>>22724658
nothing really, she just lost in the top cut of apex ended up getting a decent placing. not sure why she's tripping. she did lose to that scrub who used mega sceptile tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:40:54 No.22724680 Report

Quoted By:

>>22724658
He got shit flung at him

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:41:00 No.22724682 Report

Quoted By: >>22724695 >>22724952

>>22724642
My paranoia makes me not want to use injected/powersaved things in tournaments, but hacking in two parents and breeding those is literally impossible to track even if you make a small mistake in genning.
I get that you may have moral reservations about genning, but it's Game Freak's fault for making Hidden Power a pain in the ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:42:29 No.22724695 Report

Quoted By: >>22724719

>>22724682
Just edit a poke you hatched yourself that way there would be 0 chance you will fuck up unless you give it some stupid ass moves that it can't learn

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:42:51 No.22724700 Report

Quoted By: >>22724713 >>22724736

>>22724542
>>22724557
>terrakion used quick guard
>kangaskhan used low kick!
>terrakion fainted

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:44:42 No.22724713 Report

Quoted By:

>>22724700
the increasing number of non-fake out kangas is pretty annoying

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:44:56 No.22724719 Report

Quoted By:

>>22724695
this is what i do. edit already bred pokes & legendaries, that way there's no room for error. i don't mind playing the bike sim for a bit to get an egg move or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:47:23 No.22724736 Report

Quoted By: >>22724760

>>22724700
and? this can happen but more often than not you're gonna block a fake out

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:51:01 No.22724760 Report

Quoted By:

>>22724736
Yeah, I'm always shocked how often even people who regularly top cut nationals can be predicted at such a simple level. It's only when you get around world championships level that you need to start predicting how many of your predictions they'll predict.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Feb 2015 23:56:38 No.22724801 Report

Quoted By: >>22724880 >>22724919

>>22724644
Not the anon who suggested AV Suicune, but in theory, it works.

Suicune @ Assault Vest
Ability: Pressure
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 116 SpA / 20 SpD / 116 Spe
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Snarl
- Icy Wind

Really, it's just a Bulky Support set that can't be shut down by Taunt. You still get some speed control with Icy Wind and Snarl, combined with an Intimidator or Charm Meowstic , makes Suicune kind of hard to take down. Still, I can see why AV Suicune would raise some eyebrows, but it has its merit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:05:33 No.22724880 Report

Quoted By: >>22724919

>>22724801
The more I think about that, the more it works.
Right now, it feels like Suicune's biggest role is as a Tailwind setter, but as we've discussed before, the moment you bring a Trick Room setter against it, they've lost. This looks like it could work without that and also deal more damage than it takes. Shame about the coverage though, I'd be tempted to run HP Fire or Extrasensory over Ice Beam.

What do the EVs achieve, out of interest?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:13:15 No.22724919 Report

Quoted By: >>22725844

>>22724880
>>22724801
Well, this is my friend's build. He cloned his Suicune with the exact EVs. After putting it in the calculator and playing around with stuff. This is what I got:

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Assault Vest Suicune: 103-123 (49.7 - 59.4%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hydreigon Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Assault Vest Suicune: 64-76 (30.9 - 36.7%) -- 61.9% chance to 3HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hydreigon Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Assault Vest Suicune: 67-81 (32.3 - 39.1%) -- 99% chance to 3HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hydreigon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Assault Vest Suicune: 48-57 (23.1 - 27.5%) -- 69.2% chance to 4HKO

252+ Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Suicune: 61-73 (29.4 - 35.2%) -- 22.2% chance to 3HKO

252+ Atk Landorus-T U-turn vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Suicune: 39-46 (18.8 - 22.2%) -- possible 5HKO

252+ Atk Landorus-T Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Suicune: 31-37 (14.9 - 17.8%) -- possible 6HKO

252+ Atk Landorus-T Superpower vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Suicune: 66-78 (31.8 - 37.6%) -- 90.9% chance to 3HKO

252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Suicune: 132-157 (63.7 - 75.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Fake Out vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Suicune: 45-54 (21.7 - 26%) -- 0.9% chance to 4HKO

252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Suicune: 58-70 (28 - 33.8%) -- 0.8% chance to 3HKO

252+ Atk Aerilate Mega Salamence Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Suicune: 127-151 (61.3 - 72.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Mega Salamence Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Suicune: 41-49 (19.8 - 23.6%) -- possible 5HKO

As far as S.ATK goes,Ice Beam 2HKOs Thundurus and OHKO uninvested Landorus-T.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:20:17 No.22724952 Report

Quoted By: >>22724965 >>22724966 >>22724967 >>22725001

>>22724682
The only time I've known breeding to backfire like this is someone hacked a dream ball on the parent which bred over to a mon that couldn't have been obtained through dream world in 5th gen

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:22:11 No.22724965 Report

Quoted By:

>>22724952
I shouldn't have laughed so hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:22:27 No.22724966 Report

Quoted By: >>22725049

>>22724952
which mon was it? :^)))))

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:22:37 No.22724967 Report

Quoted By: >>22725049

>>22724952
and even then it had no consequences
ayy lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:29:49 No.22725001 Report

Quoted By: >>22725019 >>22725020

>>22724952
Yeah and when a certain pokegenner got caught, nothing happened to him and proceeded to win worlds the year after :^)

http://imgur.com/a/vDjV8#0

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:33:03 No.22725019 Report

Quoted By: >>22725026

>>22725001
>Pokémon is likely edited or RNG abused
It says that about basically anything with good IVs. I have a 4IV Crobat that Pokécheck thought was hacked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:33:15 No.22725020 Report

Quoted By:

>>22725001
>implying anyone actually bred pre gen 6

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:34:16 No.22725026 Report

Quoted By:

>>22725019
the magmar had to have been hacked as that nature + iv combination wasn't possible to obtain in gale of darkness

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:37:51 No.22725049 Report

Quoted By: >>22725059 >>22725077 >>22725089 >>22725092

>>22724966
Ray Rizzo's Aegislash
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/07/controversy_arises_at_us_pokemon_nationals_with_regards_to_cheating
>>22724967
>>22724967
He got disqualified for it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:38:37 No.22725059 Report

Quoted By: >>22725114

>>22725049
>He got disqualified for it
is this b8? literally nothing happened to Ray. he lost in top cut to alex ogloza

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:41:56 No.22725077 Report

Quoted By: >>22725089 >>22725114 >>22725122

>>22725049
>Disqualified
Bullshit, he got a small amount of CP from that event and went on to star in a Disney animated feature film at worlds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:43:35 No.22725089 Report

Quoted By:

>>22725049
i would've thought the :^) made it clear i was kidding.
>>22725077
kek

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:44:13 No.22725092 Report

Quoted By: >>22725114

>>22725049
>He got disqualified for it

I'm sorry you had to make yourself believe that but you gotta accept that it didn't happen. It's not healthy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:46:05 No.22725114 Report

Quoted By:

>>22725092
>>22725059
>>22725077
Oh... Ok so it turns out I was reading a false article in the beginning and fucked up. My bad guys

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:47:09 No.22725122 Report

Quoted By: >>22725147

>>22725077
I added Ray Rizzo on Facebook but he has over 3,600 friends so he didn't even notice the video of the match I played against him where his Tyranitar got Frozen.
My life doesn't feel worthwhile any more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:50:54 No.22725147 Report

Quoted By: >>22725155 >>22725163

>>22725122
maybe he saw it and ignored it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:52:38 No.22725155 Report

Quoted By:

>>22725147
If it's a loss over freezing, I wouldn't blame him

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:53:32 No.22725163 Report

Quoted By:

>>22725147
well that wasn't very cool of him

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:53:56 No.22725169 Report

Quoted By: >>22725175 >>22725209 >>22725217

>Play online
>test out a dark void Smeargle
>miss one out of the two pokemon twice
>90 accuracy
Sometimes the rng in this game makes me question this game. Anybody else feel the same, or am I just being salty?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:54:45 No.22725175 Report

Quoted By:

>>22725169
it has 80% accuracy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:57:43 No.22725209 Report

Quoted By: >>22725247

>>22725169
There's a reason people aim to use 100% accuracy moves at all times. The thing is, any time it misses, you convince yourself that that was the most important time, that it shouldn't statistically have missed them, and that the odds are against you, just because each time it does hit, you don't even consider the accuracy and consider it a given that it hit.
It's basically a weird twist on confirmation bias.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 00:58:48 No.22725217 Report

Quoted By: >>22725233 >>22725247 >>22725347

>>22725169
80% accuracy per target = around a 40% chance that one thing will stay awake

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 01:00:15 No.22725233 Report

Quoted By: >>22725247

>>22725217
this isn't even counting the RNG of sleep turns. anything slower than smeargle takes its turn of sleep immediately and can wake up the very next turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 01:01:32 No.22725247 Report

Quoted By: >>22725254

>>22725233
>>22725217
>>22725209
Huh. That kind of sounds like the Monty Hall Paradox, where the probability seems different than originally perceived.
Starting to sound slowly and slowly not worth it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 01:02:34 No.22725254 Report

Quoted By: >>22725297 >>22725347

>>22725247
It's a risky move and if it connects on both targets it can really pay off, but it isn't as broken as people say it is. I'd just like it banned again because it's straight up dumb

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 01:05:51 No.22725291 Report

Quoted By: >>22725304 >>22725313

can someone RMT? would like to know what i did wrong in this
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogondoubles-208369897

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 01:06:34 No.22725297 Report

Quoted By: >>22725313 >>22725364

>>22725254
True, but I could probably find a more safe option that would yield more precision in results. Something like a fake out> spore combo or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 01:07:27 No.22725304 Report

Quoted By:

>>22725291
I laughed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 01:08:44 No.22725313 Report

Quoted By: >>22725328

>>22725291
>Not playing in VGC rules
Wow it's literally shit
>>22725297
From personal experience, Dark Void tends to wreck in smaller tournaments with less experienced players, where you have some leeway. Against higher-level players you either win with it, or you get unlucky and instantly lose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 01:10:39 No.22725328 Report

Quoted By: >>22725352

>>22725313
can't have two black sludges in vgc rules

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 01:11:46 No.22725347 Report

Quoted By:

>>22725217
It's 36% of not having both pokes put to sleep.

>>22725254
Maybe if people didn't cry about it being supposedly broken less inexperienced players would pick it up.
The one thing I do think Smeargle can do is, just by being on team preview, force the opponent to lead with their answers to it which can give you an advantage in picking leads. Wouldn't be great at higher levels in a Bo3 environment put could probably put in some good work on the ladders.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 01:12:31 No.22725352 Report

Quoted By:

>>22725328
That's what I said, Black Sludge is literally shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 01:14:58 No.22725364 Report

Quoted By: >>22725383

>>22725297
I can imagine Sabeleye would be the biggest counter to DV Smear.
Leads me to think why isn't magic bounce support more common? Is it because of the specific pokemon who get it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 01:19:09 No.22725383 Report

Quoted By: >>22725393 >>22725398 >>22725442

>>22725364
Plenty of good pokemon get it, it's just super situational and not a consistently good option in general. Much like Snatch, another move which has great uses but sees little play.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 01:20:26 No.22725393 Report

Quoted By: >>22725398

>>22725383
are you thinking of magic coat?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 01:21:44 No.22725398 Report

Quoted By:

>>22725383
I was thinking of looking into snatch as well, but I agree that it's super situation.
>>22725393
Either he is or isn't I think the same with magic coat

On a similar note, is Whimsicott seeing any use this season? I can see potential in him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 01:23:32 No.22725406 Report

Quoted By: >>22725712

Thought- could Jynx be used in a similar manner to Mr. Mime, minus some special bulk but plus some power?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 01:29:28 No.22725442 Report

Quoted By:

>>22725383
Snatch is used a lot in triples since wide guard is so common

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 02:06:38 No.22725712 Report

Quoted By:

>>22725406
Just thought on it, but Jynx's typing is much worse than Mr. Mimes, trading the great fairy typing for a type that only resists itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 02:24:22 No.22725844 Report

Quoted By: >>22726045

>>22724919
this is a pretty interesting set. With the rising usage of Mega Venusaur I think this calc is also pretty important.

252+ SpA Mega Venusaur Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Assault Vest Suicune: 80-96 (38.6 - 46.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 02:56:07 No.22726045 Report

Quoted By:

>>22725844
wow, that's pretty good. Still, suicune can't do shit to M-Venu so you'd have to keep a partner that can

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 03:11:48 No.22726191 Report

Quoted By:

What should a Swift Swimming Assault Vest Ludicolo be looking to take hits from and attack?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 03:33:33 No.22726340 Report

Quoted By: >>22726395

Anyone have a Tornadus they'd want to trade? Hoppip doesn't seem to have any, and I caught mine a long time ago without SR'ing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 03:40:52 No.22726395 Report

Quoted By: >>22726424

>>22726340
Just inject one :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 03:45:20 No.22726424 Report

Quoted By: >>22726448

>>22726395
>tfw no sd capture card

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 03:49:54 No.22726448 Report

Quoted By:

>>22726424
>doesn't own an sd camera to use
>doesn't own a printer with sd reader
>doesn't own computer with sd slot
>can afford sd for pokemons

Get your fucking life in order

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 03:52:33 No.22726467 Report

Quoted By: >>22726524

What's the most common Mega Venusaur build?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 04:03:02 No.22726524 Report

Quoted By:

>>22726467
The 5 I've encountered at PCs this year were all Bold with max HP and near max Defence packing Giga Drain, Sludge Bomb, Protect and Leech seed or HP Ground/Fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 05:01:37 No.22726905 Report

Quoted By:

>>22724634
she seems really edgy from her tweets

Dark_Booty (AS,Y, 2165-5563-7058) !Bootym0QC6

Dark_Booty (AS,Y, 2165-5563-7058) !Bootym0QC6 Thu 05 Feb 2015 05:15:07 No.22726986 Report

Quoted By:

Anybody up for a sparring match?

UR2L8 !!tAmzjPeYS2h

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UR2L8 !!tAmzjPeYS2h Thu 05 Feb 2015 05:26:13 No.22727055 Report

Quoted By: >>22728437

My first match in the Major is against kingofmars.
How fucked am I?

pic not related

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 05:52:25 No.22727236 Report

Quoted By: >>22727278 >>22727994 >>22728019 >>22728035 >>22730407

How do I beat this combo?
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/battlespotdoublesvgc2015-208426643

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 06:01:21 No.22727278 Report

Quoted By: >>22727357

>>22727236
you're gonna wanna rethink your whole team but. on beating thundurus/landorus there isn't really a magic bullet. jolly scarf mamo is gonna outspeed and ohko landorus even after an intimidate and OHKO thundurus without it. but then you run into fake out problems with choiced mons, its all in how you play. you may wanna use a speed control method like trick room or tailwind if you find yourself getting outsped and outdamaged like that repeatedly

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 06:17:21 No.22727357 Report

Quoted By: >>22727373

>>22727278
>>22727278
Thanks, the team is a placeholder, just me fucking around.
How about Ice shard?
Do you think I could take enough hits to put up a trick room?
How common is this combo? It seems like something I'll see again

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 06:22:15 No.22727373 Report

Quoted By:

>>22727357
sure ice shard can work. you'll have to look at the calcs I'm not sure if intimidated ice shard will OHKO. I was once so frustrated by landorus I used a white herb mamoswine to heal off intimidate and not have to choice myself to outspeed and ohko it. it worked for that purpose but wasn't very good otherwise. of course you can take enough hits to set up trick room with the right mon. double genie is kinda common I guess. you see it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 06:45:17 No.22727475 Report

Quoted By: >>22727495

>spend ages building perish trap team
>start using it in ratings
>get rekt over half the time
"Fuck this"
>slap together Cookie Cutter™: The Team of Lando/Sylveon/Bisharp/Zapdos/Gengar/MegaMilf
>go undefeated

Goddamn it, is it because my predictions are hit or miss, or is there a strategy to using perish trap that I'm not getting?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 06:48:30 No.22727495 Report

Quoted By: >>22727538

>>22727475
Could be both, but for the most part perish trap sounds unreliable, especially in vgc

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 06:58:48 No.22727538 Report

Quoted By:

>>22727495
Hmm, maybe. When it works, it works wonderfully, but when it doesn't, I feel like an idiot. Half of me says it's just unviable, and the other half goes "well if you tried a quick guard meowstic, or a taunt thundurus or etc etc etc"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 07:23:16 No.22727625 Report

Quoted By:

>didnt play like shit on my first major match

Thank god, now I can lose the rest with dignity knowing I at least won one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 08:30:23 No.22727887 Report

Quoted By:

Is anyone else unable to connect to Nuggetbridge? It's giving me an error.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 08:31:19 No.22727894 Report

Quoted By: >>22727996 >>22728060

So for the tournament didn't you have to submit your friend code on battlefy? Is there any way you can just view your opponent's FC?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 08:51:16 No.22727994 Report

Quoted By:

>>22727236
Use Abomasnow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 08:52:45 No.22727996 Report

Quoted By:

>>22727894
I had to search his account and message him for it. For some reason Battlefy keeps logging me out, so I'm not sure if I'd get his details if I were logged in.
Hopefully it's working by the time I have to report my win

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 08:58:20 No.22728019 Report

Quoted By:

>>22727236
Anything bulky shuts this combo down, Cresselia with ice beam on the top of my head. Or some bulky grass type that resists eq like chesnaught with leech seed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 09:02:12 No.22728035 Report

Quoted By: >>22728396

>>22727236
this is how it would look for me.
>cresselia used trick room
>abomasnow used protect
then helping hand blizzards everywhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 09:07:16 No.22728060 Report

Quoted By:

>>22727894

I had to search his user on NB and message him for it, I guess that's just how it goes in this thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 09:59:50 No.22728396 Report

Quoted By:

>>22728035
if i was running that guys team and saw aboma/cress, i would definitely lead mawile/hariyama.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 10:02:49 No.22728437 Report

Quoted By:

>>22727055
good luck anon, just remember if you lose you still get to play all rounds so i wouldn't stress it.
what the yams

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 11:50:07 No.22729312 Report

Quoted By: >>22730741

>The opponent withdrew Sylveon
>The opponent sent out Metagross
>Nidoqueen used Earth Power
>It's a critical hit!
>The opponent's Metagross fainted
>The opponent has forfeited
>Run damage calc, crit didn't even matter

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 15:44:37 No.22730407 Report

Quoted By:

>>22727236
Icy Wind or Blizzard.

Wide Guard Aegis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 16:21:46 No.22730680 Report

Quoted By: >>22730740 >>22730756 >>22730765 >>22732459

ok what the actual fuck was this game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU4JyBQwjKI

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 16:28:02 No.22730716 Report

Quoted By: >>22730723 >>22730747

I love you my nigga

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 16:28:46 No.22730723 Report

Quoted By:

>>22730716
lubby chudder

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 16:31:56 No.22730740 Report

Quoted By: >>22730759

>>22730680
That was really entertaining. Can't help but think it'd be more entertaining if he recorded the game, then commentated though. He didn't even know what to say most of the time.
Also, surprised he ever expected Dragalge to KO Ferrothorn.
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Dragalge Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Ferrothorn: 312-368 (88.6 - 104.5%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
and most are way bulkier than that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 16:31:57 No.22730741 Report

Quoted By:

>>22729312

macaroni beam

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 16:33:00 No.22730747 Report

Quoted By: >>22730834 >>22730868

>>22730716

>tfw no gf who plays at championship level

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 16:33:58 No.22730756 Report

Quoted By:

>>22730680
CONK-ELDER

what a fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 16:34:35 No.22730759 Report

Quoted By:

>>22730740
i laughed so hard at the gravity/sky drop bit. wacky teams on battlespot can be hilarious sometimes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 16:35:26 No.22730765 Report

Quoted By:

>>22730680
>hmm how does gravity work.. oh fuck it let's find out

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 16:47:11 No.22730834 Report

Quoted By:

>>22730747
>tcg
dropped

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 16:51:03 No.22730868 Report

Quoted By:

>>22730747
I'm pretty sure this girl has never top cut a tournament unless it was years ago in juniors or seniors. Definitely not a "championship level" player.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 17:34:21 No.22731207 Report

Quoted By:

>lost to a nigga because I didn't have a good answer for cradily

kill me now

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 17:34:35 No.22731209 Report

Quoted By: >>22731218 >>22731461 >>22731627

>Sheer Force Feraligatr and Flash Fire Typhlosion to be released at the end of the month through Pokemon Bank
Are you ready to start seeing Scarf Eruptions and LO Gatr everywhere for a few weeks?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 17:36:17 No.22731218 Report

Quoted By:

>>22731209
I actually entered Worlds LCQ with both of those things back in 2012, along with max speed Rhyperior.
I somehow beat two people with that shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 18:15:49 No.22731461 Report

Quoted By: >>22731511

>>22731209
no because i'm not 1500 on BS

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 18:20:35 No.22731511 Report

Quoted By: >>22731543

>>22731461
Not going to any PCs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 18:20:39 No.22731512 Report

Quoted By: >>22731582 >>22731593

so what ranking on battle spot is considered "good"? It's not the same as on showdown or at least it seems like it to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 18:23:45 No.22731543 Report

Quoted By:

>>22731511
there's only one a month in the uk that's relatively near to me, so not until the end of feb most likely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 18:28:11 No.22731582 Report

Quoted By:

>>22731512
well 1500 is the starting point for everyone and the highest people on the ladder are 1900-2000.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 18:29:34 No.22731593 Report

Quoted By: >>22731616

>>22731512

<1500: Doesnt know what he's doing
1500: Probably not good
1600: Knows what he's doing, but still probably not very good
1700: Good
1800: Very Good
1900: Some korean who plays pokemon all day

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 18:32:27 No.22731616 Report

Quoted By:

>>22731593
>mfw I'm 1700 on the dot
>that means I'm "good"
that's some good validation on my team. I think I'm 13 and 2. But I still get so nervous that I'm not prepared enough for every battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 18:33:59 No.22731627 Report

Quoted By:

>>22731209
>Feraligatr
The issue with Feraligatr is that it's pretty frail and I'm pretty sure Azumarill does its job better anyways with Belly Drum. While Sheer Force will help it in singles, I don't see it being all that relevant in VGC. Maybe someone can run some calcs to compare damage and shit just to make sure, but I'm not holding my breath.

>Thyphlosion
This is definitely something that has more merit. Has the neat 100 base speed tier (not as great as before but still nice). I can see Scarf Typhlosion being used, but Specs Eruption under Tailwind would hurt like a truck, more so with a Flash Fire boost.

The main problem is just keeping Typhlosion healthy enough to spam the shit out of Eruption. It's weak to two prominent spread moves (Earthquake/Rock Slide) and because of its lack of bulk, will take some decent damage from common priority attacks. Typhlosion will have some definite niches, but I don't see it being too great.

>Meganium
>Leaf Guard
>Relevant
>Ever

kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 18:43:41 No.22731684 Report

Quoted By: >>22732518

flash fire entei when

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 18:44:12 No.22731687 Report

Quoted By: >>22731912

What do you guys think would be better. Aromatisse with disable or cresselia with magic coat? Those are my 2 trick room setters and I like having either one of those moves, they're really handy but obviously I can't have both. Magic coat is great for reflecting annoying shit like dark void and swagger but disable has bailed me out quite a few times, free switches and whatnot. I've got great resistances on my team for both so it's not really an issue of synergy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 19:15:51 No.22731912 Report

Quoted By: >>22731927

>>22731687
I really like disable on aromatisse. I don't see swagger all that often, and you can use chesto/rest on cress to get around dark void.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 19:19:01 No.22731927 Report

Quoted By: >>22731943

>>22731912
I guess not necessarily just swagger, any time I see a prankster mon I always magic coat because they always target cresselia

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 19:22:58 No.22731943 Report

Quoted By: >>22732000

>>22731927
I feel like prankster taunt is really predictable and easy to play around, but do what you feel. Why can't you use both though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 19:33:29 No.22732000 Report

Quoted By: >>22732019

>>22731943
I could put magic coat on my aromatisse but I'm already running 4 moves, no protect. And I'm certainly never giving up helping hand or mooblast. Moonblast would be the easier sell but I alreaedy don't like leaving in aromatisse while trick room is up because it stunts my damage potential

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 19:36:07 No.22732019 Report

Quoted By: >>22732036

>>22732000
No, I mean disable on aromatisse and magic coat on cress.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 19:37:05 No.22732031 Report

Quoted By: >>22732687

Is anyone else getting screwed over because of travel costs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 19:37:49 No.22732036 Report

Quoted By: >>22732067 >>22732068

>>22732019
2 trick room setters doesn't really work for me. I can't use bring them both to a battle because they have no offensive presence and my team already has 2 megas that I pick from for each battle.To keep good team and keep up my coverage and resists I don't think it's a good idea

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 19:42:59 No.22732067 Report

Quoted By:

>>22732036
You obviously don't bring both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 19:43:09 No.22732068 Report

Quoted By: >>22732103 >>22732296

>>22732036
have you tried porygon2 or reuniclus as a secondary setter? space duck has decent bulk with eviolite and can ohko things like landorus-t with little investment, and you can abuse LO with magic guard on reuniclus

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 19:47:08 No.22732103 Report

Quoted By:

>>22732068
I have a reuniclus I can bring because of overcoat. It really fucks over amoonguss, and it does get magic coat and helping hand. I'd just been using it as a trick room abuser since it does that very well too, but that guarantees I have to bring aromatisse

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 19:58:52 No.22732195 Report

Quoted By: >>22732236 >>22732255

who hyped for regionals stream next week? anyone planning on going?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 20:07:21 No.22732236 Report

Quoted By: >>22732276

>>22732195
I really wish I would have gotten started earlier. My nearest is only 3 hours away and I work every saturday so I think it's a little late to consider it. Maybe I could pull it off, it would be like a movie when I win :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 20:09:52 No.22732255 Report

Quoted By: >>22732269

>>22732195
Yeah, I already have my hotel booked. Its even better because im going down with friends

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 20:12:53 No.22732269 Report

Quoted By: >>22732276 >>22732316

>>22732255
to the st. louis one? very jealous

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 20:14:51 No.22732276 Report

Quoted By:

>>22732269
that's the one I was talking about too
>>22732236

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Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 20:15:09 No.22732277 Report

Quoted By: >>22732298

>hop on BS
>see some weird-ass team
>maybe some kind of TR setup?
>jap leads with Mr.Mime-Clefairy
>Mr.Mime used Flash!
>Clefairy used Minimize

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 20:18:58 No.22732296 Report

Quoted By: >>22732321 >>22732392 >>22732403 >>22734387

>>22732068
>space duck has decent bulk with eviolite
I think what you meant is
>space duck is literally the bulkiest thing in the metagame that isn't shit like Shuckle

252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Hammer Arm vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 96-114 (50 - 59.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Iron Fist Conkeldurr Hammer Arm vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 159-190 (82.8 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 112-133 (58.3 - 69.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 74-87 (38.5 - 45.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 76-90 (39.5 - 46.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 39-46 (20.3 - 23.9%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
252+ Atk Adaptability Mega Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 168-200 (87.5 - 104.1%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

And in return

0 SpA Porygon2 Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 172-204 (104.2 - 123.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Porygon2 Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Kangaskhan: 36-43 (19.8 - 23.7%) -- possible 5HKO
0 SpA Porygon2 Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Bisharp: 48-57 (34 - 40.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Porygon2 Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 86-102 (46.2 - 54.8%) -- 56.3% chance to 2HKO

It doesn't have terrifying offensive presence, but practically nothing can beat it one-on-one when it can recover, and nothing besides Mega Lucario can OHKO it without a crit,

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 20:19:06 No.22732298 Report

Quoted By:

>>22732277
disgusting

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 20:23:14 No.22732316 Report

Quoted By:

>>22732269
No, Doswell. That's next weekend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 20:23:57 No.22732321 Report

Quoted By:

>>22732296
Twave and Icy Wind make for nice speed control though, it's quite similar to Cress, it just lacks Helping Hand and Levitate

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 20:34:50 No.22732392 Report

Quoted By: >>22732811

>>22732296
is this at level 50 or 100?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 20:36:24 No.22732403 Report

Quoted By: >>22732811

>>22732296
and there's always trace shenanigans like tracing prankster or even intimidate. Or what about tracing competitive from a milotic then getting intimidated. That's a scary ducke

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 20:45:36 No.22732455 Report

Quoted By: >>22732464

>tfw ko-ing opponent's last two pokemon with one hyper voice
I started running a Heatran recently for the first time. Is ancientpower worth it over Flash Cannon? It helps me against Charizard Y, which I have little against otherwise, and helped me double target and KO a Rotom which would otherwise have led to my defeat. Also, what item is best for it? Currently running Chople berry to survive Megamom low kick and Terrakion close combat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 20:46:14 No.22732459 Report

Quoted By:

>>22730680
>there's the mummy and the
>uh
>...
>plant

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 20:47:07 No.22732464 Report

Quoted By:

>>22732455
You don't need to use Ancientpower to defeat Char-y, it can't touch Heatran unless it runs a gimmicky move. Leftovers, Shuca and Chople are the best, it depends on what you want.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 20:47:42 No.22732465 Report

Quoted By: >>22734413

If I'm not using either item on anyone else, do you think it's better to go Sitrus Berry or Leftovers on my special tank Arcanine? I originally ran it while I had another Leftovers user but since then I've changed it and don't know if I should replace the berry or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 20:57:34 No.22732518 Report

Quoted By: >>22732529 >>22732584

>>22731684

I want flash fire gourgeist

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 20:59:06 No.22732529 Report

Quoted By: >>22732574 >>22732584

>>22732518
what would it gain from having its fire moves boosted? maybe a fire equivalent of storm drain would be cool

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 21:04:45 No.22732574 Report

Quoted By: >>22732584

>>22732529

mainly to give it one less weakness

would also make the fire moves it can learn a tad more viable

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 21:05:56 No.22732584 Report

Quoted By:

>>22732518
>>22732529
>>22732574
>gourgeist can learn useful special attacks like giga drain, shadow ball, and fire blast
>stuck with a shitty SpA and a shit physical movepool

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 21:19:12 No.22732687 Report

Quoted By:

>>22732031
sadly that's the nature of esports. high barrier to entry. just gotta rideshare or go greyhound and stay at cheap motels. I bet you if you had even a little money you could work it out my man, if you really wanted to

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 21:36:46 No.22732811 Report

Quoted By: >>22732846

>>22732392
Level 50.

>>22732403
Parental Bond Porygon2 is a favourite of mine.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 21:41:00 No.22732846 Report

Quoted By:

>>22732811
>Parental Bond Porygon2

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Hoppip 2895-6998-6566 !hoPPiPzMj6 Thu 05 Feb 2015 22:10:04 No.22733095 Report

Quoted By: >>22733127

Hey guys, this pokemon has been added to my distribution now:

Thundurus
No Nickname
OT: Penguin, ID: 24362
Source: GiocondV on Nuggetbridge
Bold Nature
IVs: 30 / x / 30 / 31 / 31 / 31 (HP Ice)
EVs: None
- Thunderbolt
- Taunt
- Thunder Wave
- Hidden Power

Instructions on how to get one are here, along with what else is available: http://pastebin.com/PjMpptYk

As usual, please don't reply with "X up"!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 22:12:51 No.22733127 Report

Quoted By: >>22733143

>>22733095
have you found an entei yet?

Hoppip 2895-6998-6566 !hoPPiPzMj6

Hoppip 2895-6998-6566 !hoPPiPzMj6 Thu 05 Feb 2015 22:13:59 No.22733143 Report

Quoted By:

>>22733127
not yet unfortunately

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 22:57:19 No.22733515 Report

Quoted By: >>22733563 >>22733876

anyone else notice how worlds masters finals for the past three years have been boring af? 2012/13/14 were all 2-0 more or less blowouts. I hope this year is better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:01:56 No.22733563 Report

Quoted By:

>>22733515
I blame Jeudy for sucking so much. Can't even beat a crappy 405BST Pikaclone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:31:49 No.22733876 Report

Quoted By: >>22733922 >>22733973

>>22733515
this needs to happen basically >>22719851

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:36:05 No.22733922 Report

Quoted By: >>22733968

>>22733876
>"Allow me to show you" but not sounding gay

Kop Tek

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:39:13 No.22733968 Report

Quoted By: >>22733991

>>22733922
*adjusts spectacles and flourishes cape*
allow me to show you...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:39:38 No.22733973 Report

Quoted By:

>>22733876
That probably is what happened, except nobody could hear it and Jeudi/Sejun don't have any languages in common anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:41:19 No.22733984 Report

Quoted By: >>22734007 >>22734034

Is Muk being overlooked? He's pretty tanky and has poison gas. And if Serebii isn't lying to me venom drench will hit both pokemon in doubles. Plus with his stench all his moves have a chance to flinch. Still working out the best EV spread though. Tell me if you have any suggestions for it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:41:44 No.22733991 Report

Quoted By:

>>22733968
*unzips katana*

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:43:51 No.22734007 Report

Quoted By:

>>22733984
Also, assuming this could work (and I think it might), would evolite Grimer be better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:44:43 No.22734016 Report

Quoted By:

So Pokken for the world championship

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:45:43 No.22734034 Report

Quoted By: >>22734043

>>22733984
You know Venom Drench requires target to be poisoned? VGC is such an offensive metagame that you're incredibly unlikely to be able to use Poison Gas followed by Venom Drench. A better Pokémon would simply be able to kill its targets in those two turns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:47:02 No.22734043 Report

Quoted By: >>22734065 >>22734092 >>22734116

>>22734034
This Muk isn't about killing the other pokemon, he's about making sure their sweepers can't beat your sweepers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:48:03 No.22734053 Report

Quoted By: >>22734065 >>22734191 >>22736239

I liked the Mega Blaziken team that won to Cybertron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:49:06 No.22734065 Report

Quoted By: >>22734191 >>22736239

>>22734043
wot
>>22734053
yeah, definitely keen on trying out a blaziken soon. not sure if i'll go mega but both forms are interesting

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:51:42 No.22734092 Report

Quoted By:

>>22734043
Too bad it'll just take up space

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:53:17 No.22734116 Report

Quoted By: >>22734148

>>22734043
Is there any other reason to use Muk? It has that one gimmick that won't work most of the time (the entire metagame outspeeds and 2HKOs Muk) and having one member of your team be practically useless requires a hell of a lot of payoff. There's a reason Cresselia tends to run offensive invesment and a couple of coverage moves instead of just bulk and support moves, in VGC nothing can afford to be there entirely to support other Pokémon.
Tickle Gothitelle does a similar job but way better, since it also has Shadow Tag and isn't bad offensively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:55:52 No.22734148 Report

Quoted By: >>22734171 >>22734229

>>22734116
Wait, no pokemon can afford to be there just to support other pokemon? What about mewostic, klefki,the infamous pachurisu, etc.?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:57:18 No.22734171 Report

Quoted By: >>22734192

>>22734148
>what is super fang
>what is foul play
>what is taunt

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:59:04 No.22734191 Report

Quoted By: >>22734319 >>22734445 >>22736239

>>22734065
>>22734053
>Hidden Power Ice Mega Blaziken
>Tailwind Zapdos
>Low Kick T-Tar
>Aegislash
>Amoonguss
>Landorus-Therian
All makes sense. What a nice team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Feb 2015 23:59:10 No.22734192 Report

Quoted By: >>22734209

>>22734171
>What is Gunk Shot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:00:43 No.22734209 Report

Quoted By: >>22734224

>>22734192
You haven't even posted your supposed set, or any calcs, or anything. You can't come in and say how great it is if you haven't shown how/why

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:02:27 No.22734224 Report

Quoted By: >>22734229 >>22734233

>>22734209
>looked up the moves muk can learn
>looked at its stats
>laughed and closed browser window
yeah he's got nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:03:30 No.22734229 Report

Quoted By:

>>22734148
Those are Pokémon with versatile support options. Muk has one thing, which takes two turns and isn't all that effective.

>>22734148
Make a team with it and prove us wrong then.

>>22734224
Muk's offensive movepool isn't actually that bad, but it doesn't have the stats to use them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:03:38 No.22734233 Report

Quoted By:

>>22734224
I know, it only has one gimmick, and scoliopede does it better

I'm waiting for the le epik set

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:13:47 No.22734319 Report

Quoted By:

>>22734191
Cool, but I don't like Aegislash.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:14:27 No.22734324 Report

Quoted By: >>22734349

>used to only play singles
>used 90% trick room
>hear it's better in doubles
>mfw it's fucking great
I wish I would have known sooner

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:17:28 No.22734349 Report

Quoted By: >>22734378 >>22734480 >>22734528

>>22734324
It's better than usual in the current meta because everybody's spamming Tailwind, Choice Scarf on everything, Thunder Wave on everything. By the time nationals start happening I expect bulk will have taken over again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:20:27 No.22734378 Report

Quoted By:

>>22734349
that's fine. My teams already really bulky since I don't need speed investment. I might lose some damage but everything I've got right now is almost tailor suited for the most popular pokemon right now. Provided I bring the right ones of course

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:21:46 No.22734387 Report

Quoted By:

>>22732296
i don't think it has a good matchup against bisharp, you know, knock off and stuff

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:24:03 No.22734413 Report

Quoted By:

>>22732465
i used to run one with sitrus and it was pretty good, but i imagine lefties would be quite good also

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:24:56 No.22734423 Report

Quoted By:

so is braviary of any use? I could sure use a ground immunity and a pokemon to choice band and it seems to fit the bill. Namely because it has defiant, and I get so frustrated when I see too much intimidate. Plus mega venusaur would shit on my team if I ran into them more often. I run trick room so it's just on the edge of the max speed I'll allow

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:27:47 No.22734445 Report

Quoted By:

>>22734191
>4 years since masters division was added to vgc
>first female champion appeared in gen 4
Proof that m-blaziken girl is going the whole way this year

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:31:07 No.22734471 Report

Quoted By: >>22734497 >>22736554

>mfw someone named "metaclean" 2-0'd foodking

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Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:31:59 No.22734480 Report

Quoted By:

>>22734349
>mfw i spam all of those
gotta go fast

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:34:44 No.22734497 Report

Quoted By:

>>22734471
Foodking isn't known for being good at the game.

Captcha: meming

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:39:19 No.22734528 Report

Quoted By: >>22734553

>>22734349
>The opponent tailwinds
>Both of my pokemon still outspeed and KO both of my opponent's ones
>They disconnect

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:42:25 No.22734553 Report

Quoted By: >>22734602

>>22734528
What were they even running that was still that slow after doubled speed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:49:32 No.22734602 Report

Quoted By: >>22734626 >>22734633

>>22734553
Suicune and a Heatran without too much speed investment, i think

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:52:28 No.22734626 Report

Quoted By: >>22735376

>>22734602
To outspeed an uninvested Suicune in tailwind, you need a fully invested base 140
I'm guessing one of your Pokémon was scarfed and one was Mega Aerodactyl, Mega Sceptile or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:53:06 No.22734630 Report

Quoted By:

streamed regional coverage starting on feb 14th, noice

http://nuggetbridge.com/news/news-roundup-regional-stream-details-new-hidden-abilities-items-pgl-tournaments/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 00:53:29 No.22734633 Report

Quoted By: >>22735376

>>22734602
Even a Suicune with no investment can outrun 252+ base 135s, it might not have had perfect IVs though not sure how many are actually perfect on BS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 01:51:33 No.22735053 Report

Quoted By: >>22735638

Cybertron is streaming on twitch

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 02:24:51 No.22735354 Report

Quoted By:

cybertron is a cuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 02:27:30 No.22735376 Report

Quoted By:

>>22734633
>>22734626
i had a mega sceptile and a scarfed mon. gotta go fast

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 03:01:17 No.22735638 Report

Quoted By: >>22735692

>>22735053
wait, did he just play shadypenguinn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 03:07:14 No.22735692 Report

Quoted By: >>22735709

>>22735638
yeah, it was kind of neat. he was hanging out in the stream.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 03:09:12 No.22735709 Report

Quoted By: >>22735803

>>22735692
I only caught the last few turns of the match, was it a good one?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 03:19:44 No.22735803 Report

Quoted By:

>>22735709
i wasnt paying attention, i talking with people, so I'd say it was pretty good with a few hax

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 03:37:25 No.22735893 Report

Quoted By: >>22735951 >>22735968 >>22737472

I wanna try and run this nigga in a hailroom team. How's this set look?

Abomasnow @ Abomasite
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 188 HP / 68 Atk / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
- Blizzard
- Giga Drain
- Ice Shard
- Protect

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 03:45:28 No.22735951 Report

Quoted By:

>>22735893
Look nice, maybe Energy Ball instead of Giga Drain since it's not as bulky as Venusaur and it has to deal as much damage it can during TR.

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Hoppip 2895-6998-6566 !hoPPiPzMj6 Fri 06 Feb 2015 03:47:05 No.22735960 Report

Quoted By: >>22736359

Whoever Mahoukadude is, did you want a bold or timid thundurus?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 03:48:43 No.22735968 Report

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>>22735893
I've considered dropping my HP investment and going full mixed with blizzard and wood hammer. That's some fucking power right there

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 04:23:18 No.22736239 Report

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>>22734191
>>22734053
>>22734065
what would be the best moveset for blaziken, mega or non? I was thinking:

-Flare Blitz
-Low Kick/Drain Punch
-Knock Off
-Protect

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 04:38:07 No.22736359 Report

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>>22735960

bold, sorry for not being specific

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 05:04:21 No.22736501 Report

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sandstorm and hail should deal more damage when tailwind is used, unless both teams have used tailwind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 05:21:17 No.22736554 Report

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>>22734471
see, I don't know why he bothers sleeping in the streets and walking around in pants full of shit if he isn't even winning. I fucking wouldn't

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 06:38:18 No.22736920 Report

Quoted By: >>22736934 >>22736990 >>22737001

I'm thinking about dropping mega abomasnow and just running mega camerupt on my trick room team. I've been keeping both around but sometimes I just need ice and grass type moves though. Is there any other pokemon that's slow and gets a strong ice and grass move? Should I just take the megastone off abomasnow and give it a different item?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 06:43:12 No.22736934 Report

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>>22736920
maybe it would be easier if you saw my team
http://pastebin.com/5bLAnMPP. I just really need a strong grass move and something that can hit mega salamence that doesn't worry about getting intimidated

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 06:58:09 No.22736990 Report

Quoted By: >>22737001 >>22737024

>>22736920
You could always try sash aboma

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 07:01:25 No.22737001 Report

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>>22736990
>>22736920
yesterday a sashed aboma gave me problems since i was expecting the mega, can confirm that's pretty decent

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 07:04:19 No.22737024 Report

Quoted By: >>22737187

>>22736990
I've considered it. Right now I'm looking at gastrodon as an option too. I don't have the grass coverage but I don't need it because storm drain. I'd love to get caught in a situation where I have mega camerupt and gastrodon out and I'm looking at a water and electric type

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 07:44:52 No.22737187 Report

Quoted By: >>22737375

>>22737024
Ok I've updated my team a little bit to accommodate gastrodon and it seems ok to me. Braviary is there for grass types that otherwise would kind of hassle me defensively and I like the option of a choice banded mon who doesn't have to worry about intimidate
http://pastebin.com/TU0t3NdM

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 07:57:11 No.22737213 Report

Quoted By: >>22737226

been looking at lesser used megas and I came across mega houndoom
>115 speed tier
>flash fire before mega evolving
>better physical bulk than char-y, no 4x rock weakness
>OHKO landorus-t under sun with heat wave
needs good support around it, but i think as a whole there's untapped potential in m-houndoom

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 07:59:40 No.22737226 Report

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>>22737213
>multi battles with a Mega Charizard Y and Mega Houndoom on the same team
oh my

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 08:54:26 No.22737375 Report

Quoted By: >>22737393

>>22737187
Can you post some battles to see the team working? Also I use to run m camerupt with 72 def taken out of spA to tank one double edge from m kanga, but thats preference as i run it with eruption

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 08:59:27 No.22737393 Report

Quoted By: >>22737425

>>22737375
I have some before I changed it if you want those but I haven't used this one yet. I have a gastrodon but not a braviary

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 09:06:01 No.22737425 Report

Quoted By: >>22737438 >>22737480

>>22737393
I would prefer to see both when you have them so I can see the changes.

Also, do you think running Gothitelle with Conpetitive is a good idea? I run it in a TR to have a setter with offensive capabilities but I'm not sure

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 09:09:06 No.22737438 Report

Quoted By: >>22737461 >>22737480

>>22737425
competitive is always kinda cool, I mean it gave milotic a niche. But shadow tag is some kind of useful. Especially since you can tickle or charm and they can't switch out

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 09:17:07 No.22737461 Report

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>>22737438
I have used it with shadow tag but it felt like it was doing nothing even with tickle, maybe i'll switch it out for reuniclus since it can be useful with overcoat

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 09:20:28 No.22737472 Report

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>>22735893
I've used M-Abomasnow for a long time (top cut nationals last year) and actually just went 252HP/252SpA/4Atk. Ice Shard is just there for finishing things off and is fairly powerful even without investment. I definitely wouldn't invest any less than 188HP, since that's exactly what you need to survive an intimidate Band Talonflame BB (or I guess a non-intimidated, itemless Talonflame, which is a lot rarer)
Giga Drain is generally better than Energy Ball and Definitely better than Wood Hammer because there's a surprising number of things you practically wall, and being able to recover health is very useful in those situations. A lot of the time you'll just be spamming Blizzard for raw power anyway, since you can very often just press Blizzard twice and win the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 09:21:46 No.22737480 Report

Quoted By: >>22737502

>>22737425
>>22737438
The main reason Milotic is good with competitive is because it can Ice Beam Landorus and Salamence, the two biggest Intimidators. Gothitelle likes the boost, but can't use it half as well. I find Shadow Tag much better on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 09:26:46 No.22737502 Report

Quoted By: >>22737521

>>22737480
Who would be a TR setter with offensive presence?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 09:30:46 No.22737521 Report

Quoted By: >>22737541 >>22737974

>>22737502
reuniclus, gallade and gardevoir, chandelure, and malamar to an extent

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 09:38:38 No.22737541 Report

Quoted By: >>22737560

>>22737521
I have trevenant as my secondary setter, so I guess garde or reuniclus will do fine. The thing is that with bisharp running wild all around the meta TR setter suffer a lot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 09:43:52 No.22737560 Report

Quoted By: >>22737581 >>22737974

>>22737541
reuniclus gets 3 great abilities too. Any one of them is viable. I just wish it got dazzling gleam

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 09:52:43 No.22737581 Report

Quoted By:

>>22737560
Yeah, the only bad thing about reuniclus is that awful defense stat considering Knock Off: the metagame and ocasional hydreigons but I'll try to work around it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 11:41:52 No.22737974 Report

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>>22737521
Lacks Jellicent too, it's one of the best TR setters and sweepers at the moment.

>>22737560
All. my. rage.

This is literally the little guy needed and it got denied it, picking offensive options is a goddamn pain for Reuniclus. Focus Miss is too damn unreliable, it needs it's STAB for power, Shadowball lacks power and it can't run all 3 because it wants at least a slot free for a support move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 14:46:58 No.22738801 Report

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New thread:
>>22738792

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