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Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 21:04:00 No.22741163 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22741171 >>22741195 >>22741289

Thread number 153: Aegislash retest edition

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ToTT: There are rumors Aegislash is going to get retested in the smogon community. Opinions?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 21:04:42 No.22741167 Report

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Fuck that sword.

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Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 21:05:01 No.22741169 Report

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never ever ever

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Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 21:05:24 No.22741171 Report

Quoted By: >>22742080

>>22741163
Shit OP image tbh

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 21:09:12 No.22741195 Report

Quoted By: >>22741433

>>22741163
Probably not until the next generation of games is released. Retesting things from ubers has never been Smogons thing, even if it's now being classified as an "official tier" before a banlist. I guess we'll have to look forward to gen7 or Pokemon Emerald remake for this one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 21:09:36 No.22741198 Report

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metagross is getting a suspect test first beds you piece of shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 21:22:02 No.22741289 Report

Quoted By: >>22741710

>>22741163
at least aegislash balances out some of the broken megas which are basically impossible to cover by a single team at the moment. Also i guess mega Lopunny hitting it is pretty cool, even though that still gets buttfucked by Kings Shield. I am not sure if leaving aegislash banned or banning stuff that is too good atm is the better way to go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 21:29:28 No.22741361 Report

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I really like Aegislash and he probably is going to be retest but that will just show how good it is. If anything, it's better now in ORAS than it was on XY.

I'm worried about M-Metagross. They're going to suspect but they're not sure if it's broken or not. I think the meta is fine right now and don't need bans but that's just me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 21:41:17 No.22741433 Report

Quoted By: >>22741757

>>22741195
they let kyurem-b down from ubers, so never say never. Also it has pretty much been confirmed that it's going to happen at some point in the nearer future.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:17:45 No.22741710 Report

Quoted By: >>22741781

>>22741289
What exactly, other than megagross, is broken at the moment?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:24:10 No.22741757 Report

Quoted By: >>22741774

>>22741433
They dropped Kyurem because it was pretty bad. It's not even that great in OU, given that awful physical movepool. Aegi was suspected and banned and being dubbed "too good" for OU. I like using Aegi a lot and think it would definitely check megagross but I doubt we'll be seeing it again anytime soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:25:10 No.22741765 Report

Quoted By: >>22741791

I want lando-t to be banned so they realize what a shit meta they've created. Or they could fix the meta, but I don't see that happening.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:25:57 No.22741774 Report

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>>22741757
Gen 5 KyuB was bretty great and was definitely borderline ban worthy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:26:44 No.22741781 Report

Quoted By: >>22742862

>>22741710
mega sableye, after that you got a really big list of top tier megas that might not be broken alone, but one team literally can't cover all of them + other prominent threats atm - the zards, lopunny, altaria, diancie, gyarados, slowbro, gardevoir, etc, etc. The really cool thing about aegislash was (and still is) that it lets you check so much shit, making teambuilding not that frustrating and makes the game somewhat less matchup dependant. At the cost of being centralizing of course. The huge amount of threats, mostly caused by all those megas, is what makes the oras meta such a clusterfuck and fairly unenjoyable for me. I do get that matchup is a big part of the game, having battles that are basically won from turn 1 onwards or have incredibly easy outcomes in your favor because your opponent literally couldn't prepare for some mon on your team isn't really something that should be the optimum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:27:45 No.22741791 Report

Quoted By: >>22741815

>>22741765
can you explain a bit why you think lando-t is banworthy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:30:23 No.22741815 Report

Quoted By: >>22741866

>>22741791
The metagame is centered around it. Its usage is unprecedented.

That's why slash had to go, right? ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:33:59 No.22741855 Report

Quoted By: >>22747713

I hate stall so I would love to see the sword's return.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:34:29 No.22741866 Report

Quoted By: >>22741918 >>22743526

>>22741815
not at all, aegislash had to go because it was centralizing in the form of being able to beat it's counters if you didn't get the set right and being too strong on paper alone. not to mention all those uncompetitive (tm) 50/50s.

Lando-t doesn't have that phenomenon at all, it has alot of switchins, it has tons of checks in ou and a bunch of straight out counters. And before you start that uturn argument - is it really so hard to use a bulky water and hazard control? Uturn is part of the game for 3 gens now and it was never broken at all, it still isn't, because using it is something that can actually get punished fairly easily.

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Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:38:39 No.22741918 Report

Quoted By: >>22741966 >>22742000 >>22742059

>>22741866
I don't actually think lando-t should be banned. I meant that it's basically holding the meta together by itself since it's almost the only pivot anyone uses. If it were banned, maybe everyone would understand how bad this power creep is and actually do something about it. I just want an ou where every mon can be checked by a variety of viable teams, but that's a pipe dream.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:43:48 No.22741966 Report

Quoted By: >>22742004 >>22742051

>>22741918
that's actually a fairly interesting idea, but it brings the problem that something gets banned that's not broken. I mean the genies aren't fan favourites, so it probably wouldn't even cause a big shitstorm, but it's quite against the current smogon ban philosophy. There are rumors that the tiering system as a whole will probably change with the next generation, because it obviously doesn't work that well anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:47:59 No.22742000 Report

Quoted By: >>22742011

>>22741918
This is the future of pokemon. We saw it a bit last gen when the genies and Terrakion/Keldeo were unleashed. Megas just broke open that floodgate. There are now endless amounts of redundant offensive threats. That's why priority took over. It is impossible to counter every threat. But checking them with a bunch of priority users makes it more manageable.

That's why I'd love to see a meta with no legends or megas. You may say that not every legend or mega is broken, but 90% of threats are now megas or legends, with some fairies splashed in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:48:08 No.22742004 Report

Quoted By: >>22742056

>>22741966
I really hope it changes. I don't want to say anything would be better than this, but a lot of things would be.
Also, you got 66 on two posts. Nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:49:09 No.22742011 Report

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>>22742000
I wonder if there's an OM like that

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:53:28 No.22742051 Report

Quoted By: >>22742150

>>22741966
Landorus-T is broken in the similar way Tornadus+T and Genesect were broken last gen. The U-Turn and Knock Off spam means it can wear down most potential checks and counters. Like Genesect, nearly every team is simply better with Lando on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:54:04 No.22742056 Report

Quoted By: >>22742070 >>22742159

>>22742004
There's nothing concrete about it yet, but even the innerest of the inner smogon jerks agree that something needs to be done, and since gen 7 is probably still 2 or more years away I am fairly confident that someone will come up with a working new concept until then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:54:20 No.22742059 Report

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>>22741918
Lando-T isn't by any stretch of the imagination broken. It's just a poke that can easily sweep a weakened team or do a lot of damage if you don't bring any checks. Simple as. It's been popular since it came out and I don't see any reason why they should decide to ban it now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:55:33 No.22742070 Report

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>>22742056
I like koko's approach, but whom would you trust to do that job?

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Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 22:56:18 No.22742080 Report

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>>22741171
upboated

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Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 23:05:03 No.22742150 Report

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>>22742051
if you think that was the reason genesect or torn-t got banned you are in the wrong.

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Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 23:06:29 No.22742159 Report

Quoted By: >>22742367

>>22742056
>Gen 7 is two or more years away

Flygonite confirmed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Feb 2015 23:35:44 No.22742367 Report

Quoted By: >>22742694

>>22742159
more like mega arceus confirmed. But just think about it. Johto starters, Sinnoh starters and Unova starters will get megas at some point, even the Kalos starters, that's 12 new megas that will definitely come, then there's still a ton of fan favourites that will very likely get a mega, if gamefreak keeps going with that and if 80% of the megas will be offensive beasts again, how will it ever be possible to build a team that even remotely covers all of those on top of every new mon that will come?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 00:10:07 No.22742629 Report

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If every mega except Banette was banned or never made or whatever, what tier would it be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 00:18:37 No.22742694 Report

Quoted By: >>22742745

>>22742367
The whole purpose of Megas is to hype for sales. That's why nearly every one was revealed prior to release. Gamefreak will move on to another, more broken hype mechanic before every mon gets a mega. So we'll get to a point (aka now) where there will be too many threats to cover with only a 6 mon team, but then Gamefreak will move on to terrorize the meta in new ways. And Smogon will continue to treat the game in the same way and try to conform banlists to the gen 4 meta in terms of checks and counters.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 00:28:19 No.22742745 Report

Quoted By: >>22742769

>>22742694
yeah that is the problem, gamefreak literally doesn't care about competitive (and no, they actually treat vgc very badly compared to other game designers. it's a terrible game to be played competitively to begin with). I am hoping smogon won't continue to treat the game the same way as they used to, chances are shit will change. Guess we will have to wait out with a super terrible gen 6 until then.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 00:29:53 No.22742756 Report

Quoted By: >>22742855

>>22740687

Apparently people are finally learning how to use leaf storm snake, and it's made it to S rank UU. Think it'll eventually get the boot to BL, or will it finally settle down in UU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 00:32:15 No.22742769 Report

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>>22742745
It'll just get to a point where like Ubers most things won't have a counter and will just need checks and one wrong move will mean the end of the match. Less margin of error means a more skill based game, r-right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 00:33:26 No.22742778 Report

Quoted By: >>22742855

Hey guys, I'm basically a scrub on the competitive scene. Where are good places to go to get insight on competive teamcomps?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 00:42:19 No.22742855 Report

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>>22742756
it will probably be bl, and never hit the usage for ou again, so yeah, doomed to be a ou gimmick.

>>22742778
not quite sure what a competitive "teamcomp" is, but check out the links and the faqs in the OP, they should give you a good introduction and overview on what there is. If you got any specific questions feel free to ask them here.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 00:42:48 No.22742862 Report

Quoted By: >>22742913 >>22743610

>>22741781
Mega-Sableye isn't as good as even I was hyping it up to be, and I love Sableye. It's not just fairies that can take it out, but really powerful attackers in general. Even if you fully invest in either def or spdef, high base-power moves can overwhelm the little fucker. With that speed and underwhelming 50 base HP, it requires more team support than you'd expect. For instance, I initially tried using it alongside Chansey as the physical half of my defensive core. However, I've found that it's more effective if you have another dedicated physical wall, but now you've only got three spots left, leaving you with fewer teambuilding options.

And in many cases, prankster Sableye actually has more effective bulk due to priority recover and will-o-wisp. Lately I've been postponing the mega switch longer and longer, to the point that I wonder why I don't just go back to regular prankster Sableye and use my mega slot on something else. All I really use the mega for is deflecting hazards, anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 00:48:54 No.22742913 Report

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>>22742862
sableye isnt really a wall as much as it is for utility. if you've got it on your team mega evo'd it deters your opponent from setting up hazards, shuting down the ever popular ferrothorn, defensive lando-t, and most of the other rocks setters

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 00:53:43 No.22742950 Report

Quoted By: >>22743023 >>22743055 >>22743063

So what are good teammates for Mega-Beedrill?
Knock off or drill run btw?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 01:02:32 No.22743023 Report

Quoted By: >>22743044

>>22742950
Protect
Uturn
Xscissor
Poison Jab
Protect

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 01:04:17 No.22743044 Report

Quoted By:

>>22743023
Yes. Protect is needed twice. So you don't forget it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 01:05:25 No.22743055 Report

Quoted By:

>>22742950
use it in UU btw

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 01:06:37 No.22743063 Report

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>>22742950
it goes pretty well on a volt turn team - get some volt switcher on there, magnezone partners pretty well because it also removes skarms and ferros, you might as well get some backup sweeper that likes steels removed on there, landorus-t for example, gives you a possible rocker or pivot. just round it out with some glues and weakness fillers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 01:55:03 No.22743403 Report

Quoted By: >>22743492

Muh Team
Sylveon @ Leftovers
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Yawn
- Wish
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Heatran @ Air Balloon
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 12 HP / 252 SpA / 244 Spe
Modest Nature
- Heat Wave
- Flash Cannon
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock

Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Will-O-Wisp
- Volt Switch
- Protect

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Power Whip
- Gyro Ball
- Leech Seed
- Protect

Lopunny @ Lopunnite
Ability: Limber
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Ice Punch
- Return
- High Jump Kick

Kyurem-Black @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 252 Atk / 32 SpA / 224 Spe
Naive Nature
- Outrage
- Fusion Bolt
- Ice Beam
- Iron Head

Advice?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 02:10:35 No.22743492 Report

Quoted By: >>22743549

>>22743403
Change the ferro spread to the standard one (the one with 88 something, you will find it on smogon)
What the fuck is that heatran doing? Heat wave? Like why? Change that to like fire blast or lava plume.
Full spdef rotom is p bad, why protect over, say, pain split or something.
Sylveon does basically nothing. Yawn is only decent if you actually can punish the forced switches with hazards. Hp fire hits like a wet rug on that.
Apart from that your sets are somewhat ok i guess, not quite sure what your usual gameplan is though. Lop and kyu will have very hard times actually breaking the things that wall them and your defensive core won't last for long at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 02:13:34 No.22743507 Report

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I for one can't wait for the Aegis retest. So I can send that broken bitch right back to Ubers, just like the first time. No amount of tier shifting will ever affect how broken the mechanics of Kings Shield/Stance Change are.

Why would anyone want to render Metagross, Altaria, and Diancie useless for one piece of shit pokemon? It's like XY all over again, except with three different Megas. Even M-Lopunny isn't getting off scotfree as long as Kings Shield is a thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 02:18:23 No.22743526 Report

Quoted By: >>22743544

>>22741866

>U-Turns out from your Suicune into Mega Manectric, Raikou, Magnezone etc.

But I think more and more people are realizing how good VoltTurn is. It's not just Lando. Landon just happens to be a great pokemon that learns U-Turn.

Just saying, all bulky Water types do for you is sponge a hit and let the opponent get momentum on you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 02:21:22 No.22743544 Report

Quoted By: >>22743626

>>22743526
Nice reading comprehension. Get those sneaky pebbles up, because hazard advantage stops your opponent from doing his voltturn games all day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 02:22:01 No.22743549 Report

Quoted By: >>22743555

>>22743492
I prefer heat wave since its stronger than flamethower and lava plume while having the PP.
I aim for damage over the burn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 02:23:48 No.22743555 Report

Quoted By: >>22743563

>>22743549
Why not fire blast then? Because that actually gets some important KOs, unlike heat wave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 02:25:50 No.22743563 Report

Quoted By: >>22743637

>>22743555
For which pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 02:35:58 No.22743610 Report

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>>22742862

There is no person more evil than he that holds off on Mega evolving his Sableye. I hate you so much I can barely contain myself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 02:39:18 No.22743626 Report

Quoted By: >>22743660

>>22743544

Hazard control doesn't mean hazard setting. Hazard control are things like Magic Bouncers, Spinners, and Defoggers. Nice writing skills.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 02:41:24 No.22743637 Report

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>>22743563
2hko on spdef gliscor for example, also not ohkoing mega heracross is a pain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 02:44:36 No.22743660 Report

Quoted By: >>22743840

>>22743626
Are you literally retarded? You do know what the word control means, right? Hazard control names being able to maintain the advantage in the hazard game, it means both keeping off hazards from your field and preventing your opponent from removing yours. Think about it, would simply setting rocks give you any advantage in a uturn scenario, when your switches get equally punished?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 02:45:25 No.22743672 Report

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Togekiss @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Air Slash
- Roost
- Defog

Heatran @ Air Balloon
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 12 HP / 252 SpA / 244 Spe
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Flash Cannon
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock

Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Will-O-Wisp
- Volt Switch
- Protect

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Power Whip
- Gyro Ball
- Leech Seed
- Protect

Lopunny @ Lopunnite
Ability: Limber
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Ice Punch
- Return
- High Jump Kick

Kyurem-Black @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 252 Atk / 32 SpA / 224 Spe
Naive Nature
- Outrage
- Fusion Bolt
- Ice Beam
- Iron Head

Double-take.
I really want a STAB Fairy on this team but defog seems too important with stealth rogs everywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 03:08:38 No.22743840 Report

Quoted By:

>>22743660

Yeah, I don't know what you're trying to say. I made the distinction perfectly clear it's up thread in plain English for anyone to see. I'm not engaging in chain reply arguments on /vp/ anymore, it's the most annoying thing ever. Even when you back someone into an inescapable corner, they'll just stop answering instead of conceding. So there's no point in continuing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 10:44:59 No.22745757 Report

Quoted By: >>22746204

Bump, what's some good anti meta pokes atm?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 12:55:35 No.22746204 Report

Quoted By: >>22746459

>>22745757
Mamoswine is the ultimate anti-meta pokemon. Other than that you've got torn-t I guess, and DD mega gyarados.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 13:46:34 No.22746459 Report

Quoted By: >>22746514

>>22746204
Ah, good call on the mamoswine, i guess it will work as well as in gen 5, now that genies are rising even more in popularit. What'd be good teammates for a life orb mamoswine? Twave support or is that too out of date?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 13:54:58 No.22746514 Report

Quoted By: >>22746598

>>22746459
>now that genies are rising even more in popularit
The genies are falling in usage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 14:09:19 No.22746598 Report

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>>22746514
Pretty sure thundurus and tornadus-t have risen alot after the greninja ban, i might be wrong though so w/e

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Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 16:10:06 No.22747418 Report

Quoted By: >>22748248

>comp will never put you in his memes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 16:59:53 No.22747713 Report

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>>22741855
>implying m-sableye and aegislash together wouldn't be a ridiculously broken stall core
jej

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Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 17:59:27 No.22748248 Report

Quoted By: >>22748343

>>22747418
iktf anon

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z0mOG Sat 07 Feb 2015 18:13:33 No.22748343 Report

Quoted By: >>22751893

>>22748248
I don't :))))

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 00:25:55 No.22751893 Report

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>>22748343

In your case that's not a good thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 00:36:17 No.22751995 Report

Quoted By: >>22752018

So what pokemon conforms OU the team this time of the year?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 00:39:39 No.22752018 Report

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>>22751995
http://www.smogon.com/stats/2015-01/ou-1825.txt

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