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Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:04:43 No.22749957 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22750029 >>22750234 >>22750662 >>22751259 >>22751333 >>22751714 >>22752569 >>22752860

So what's gonna be the new name now that it's banned from UU?

>smogonsnake
>smugshit
>leafstormleafstormleafstorm

Also nicknames general I suppose

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Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:05:38 No.22749966 Report

Quoted By: >>22749974 >>22751115 >>22751360 >>22751389 >>22752842

For reference

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Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:06:39 No.22749974 Report

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>>22749966
>1023x731

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:08:02 No.22749985 Report

Quoted By: >>22750068

>people thought this wouldn't be OU

It fucking counters mega sableye

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:10:15 No.22750029 Report

Quoted By: >>22750080 >>22750101

>>22749957
>Heatran a shit
>MARY MARY
>top snek
>Smugleaf 2: Contrary Boogaloo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:14:38 No.22750068 Report

Quoted By: >>22750202

>>22749985
>being so delusional that you actually believe it will be OU

Kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:15:45 No.22750080 Report

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>>22750029
I thought zygarde was top snek.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:18:17 No.22750101 Report

Quoted By: >>22750117

>>22750029
Why MARY MARY? I mean, I've watched the fucking cringy video, but what does Smugleaf have to do with it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:19:44 No.22750117 Report

Quoted By: >>22750245 >>22753357

>>22750101
'MARY MARY QUITE CONTRARY', you nigger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:28:25 No.22750202 Report

Quoted By: >>22751152

>>22750068
>being so delusional to think it won't

Top kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:30:15 No.22750226 Report

Quoted By: >>22750286 >>22750307

Charmander used Ember

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:30:41 No.22750234 Report

Quoted By:

>>22749957
smugleaf

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:31:53 No.22750245 Report

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>>22750117
Oh.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:36:10 No.22750286 Report

Quoted By: >>22750296

>>22750226
>252+ SpA Charmander Ember vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Serperior: 92-110 (31.6 - 37.8%) -- 88.3% chance to 3HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:37:07 No.22750296 Report

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>>22750286
I think he meant "Charmander used Emboar."

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:38:21 No.22750307 Report

Quoted By: >>22750370

>>22750226
You sure you want to switch Shitzard on something that might be carrying HP Rock, and certainly will carry Dragon Pulse?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:44:31 No.22750370 Report

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>>22750307
Yes because it's scarfed modest charizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:47:47 No.22750405 Report

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Nothing, Serp will never make it in OU because it's shit. It'll only be used by people who don't look past the fact that it looks nice on paper but does shit damage and gets walled by every third pokemon.

UU only banned it because they have a boner for stall and anything that breaks it inevitably gets banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 21:49:22 No.22750421 Report

Quoted By: >>22750548

I can't believe you faggots actually thought this thing would never make it to UU. I'm in tears right now.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 22:01:30 No.22750548 Report

Quoted By: >>22752272

>>22750421
>guys guys
>this just in
>/vp/ can't into competitive

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 22:14:24 No.22750662 Report

Quoted By: >>22751077

>>22749957
>Smuglord

/thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 22:19:52 No.22750705 Report

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>Unown used HP-bug

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 22:26:30 No.22750759 Report

Quoted By: >>22750783 >>22750786 >>22750820

Has /vp/ ever been right about an 'upcoming' Pokemon being shit?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 22:29:22 No.22750783 Report

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>>22750759
I dunno mang

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 22:29:48 No.22750786 Report

Quoted By:

>>22750759
They said Mega Kangaskahn, mega gengar, mega blaziken, Mega Salamence and aegislash would be banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 22:32:52 No.22750820 Report

Quoted By: >>22751019

>>22750759
Feraligatr?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 22:54:27 No.22751019 Report

Quoted By: >>22751146

>>22750820
>Better than Gyarados in every way
Ok

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 22:59:08 No.22751056 Report

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So when did everyone cop on that Serperior is pretty gud when it eventually sets up?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 23:01:16 No.22751077 Report

Quoted By:

>>22750662
>not calling it Smugon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 23:04:51 No.22751115 Report

Quoted By:

>>22749966
Mandibuzz is gr8. Why the h8?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 23:08:40 No.22751146 Report

Quoted By: >>22751229 >>22753765

>>22751019
>no intimidate
>no moldbreaker
>rekt by washingmachine

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 23:09:01 No.22751152 Report

Quoted By: >>22753229

>>22750202
>implying a mon who's only move to abuse his ability is resisted by more than half the tier
>his only coverage move is HP
>the main set is unbelievably predicable, being Leaf storm, Glare/leach seed, HP, Dragon pulse

Kek

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Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 23:17:41 No.22751229 Report

Quoted By: >>22751327

>>22751146
>Better typing
>Better ability
>Better move pool
>Better design

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 23:20:49 No.22751259 Report

Quoted By:

>>22749957
>muh Leaf Storm

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 23:28:16 No.22751327 Report

Quoted By:

>>22751229
>it looks like a lobster
more like a fat shrimp

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 23:29:01 No.22751333 Report

Quoted By:

>>22749957
spamstorm?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 23:31:58 No.22751360 Report

Quoted By: >>22754909

>>22749966
Outdated as fuck, Sceptile, Mandibuzz, Politoed, Terrakion, and Tentacruel have all fallen from OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Feb 2015 23:35:07 No.22751389 Report

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>>22749966
the only good one is politoed

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 00:01:55 No.22751714 Report

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>>22749957
>ban from UU
but it's a shitmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 01:11:02 No.22752272 Report

Quoted By: >>22752486 >>22752544

>>22750548
Remember when /vp/ said Greninja and Charizard X would be shit? Ahahahaha good times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 01:41:31 No.22752486 Report

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>>22752272
Remember when the same exact words of this meme came from a screenshot of a Smogon tier leader post? :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 01:47:08 No.22752544 Report

Quoted By: >>22752564

>>22752272
I remember when they said the guy posted above you would be shit even with Gale Wings.

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Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 01:49:04 No.22752564 Report

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>>22752544
i still remember this shit
top fucking OU and best bird

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 01:49:47 No.22752569 Report

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>>22749957
Beats, shoots with leaves

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 02:34:23 No.22752842 Report

Quoted By:

>>22749966
>sanicgross
>gen wunner defense force
>tfw no icicle crash

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 02:36:17 No.22752860 Report

Quoted By: >>22752941

>>22749957
>mfw I've been running sap sipper goodra for spore and now I've got something serperior can never kill

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 02:49:40 No.22752941 Report

Quoted By: >>22752971

>>22752860
>Using AssVest Goodra
>Talking about shit that can't kill

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 02:54:26 No.22752971 Report

Quoted By: >>22753035

>>22752941
>implying I said assvest
>"your defensive pokemon isn't offensive"
Git gud

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:00:23 No.22753035 Report

Quoted By: >>22753053

>>22752971
>Using Goodra for anything but damage sponging
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:02:59 No.22753053 Report

Quoted By: >>22753190 >>22753196

>>22753035
Well here's how you can look at it, uninvested goodra sludge wave or fire blast 2hko's serperior. Seperior's modest dragon pulse can't 3hko goodra with no special defense evs or assault vest

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:20:22 No.22753152 Report

Quoted By:

my guess is
>press leafstorm
>win

I'm real happy for you smugfags, your bro made it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:25:59 No.22753190 Report

Quoted By: >>22753230 >>22753257

>>22753053
What if Serperior used Leaf Storm the last few turns
I don't think Goodra can take a +3 Dragin Paulse

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:26:37 No.22753196 Report

Quoted By:

>>22753053
Nig, i just switch out. Goodra is shit and can't recover health.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:30:59 No.22753229 Report

Quoted By:

>>22751152
Draco meteor would make him amazing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:31:08 No.22753230 Report

Quoted By: >>22753258

>>22753190
> sap sipper
Why would you let it set up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:34:27 No.22753257 Report

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>>22753190
Assuming it got two Leaf Storms off beforehand,
>+4 252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 182-216 (47.3 - 56.2%) -- 81.6% chance to 2HKO
And that's with maximum Sp Def Calm Goodra.
Serpy wins. Possibly.

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Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:34:34 No.22753258 Report

Quoted By: >>22753283

>>22753230
>Use Fire Blast or Sludge Wave
>I "Sap Sip" into my Heatran

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:37:26 No.22753277 Report

Quoted By: >>22753287 >>22753308

I'm actually surprised Serperior is making it out of UU, congrats to you guys though, I'll know the happiness you guys are feeling once Gatr gets Sheer Force.

Straight up to UU.

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Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:38:06 No.22753283 Report

Quoted By: >>22753292

>>22753258
>as I switch into my landorus

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:38:26 No.22753287 Report

Quoted By: >>22753311

>>22753277
Nah, Feraligatr won't even come close to Serperior. It's a gentoo shitmon.

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Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:39:28 No.22753292 Report

Quoted By: >>22753306

>>22753283
>As I use HP Ice

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Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:41:02 No.22753306 Report

Quoted By: >>22753335

>>22753292
>hp ice heatran

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:41:17 No.22753308 Report

Quoted By: >>22753349 >>22753429 >>22753592

>>22753277
Feraligatr won't leave RU, unfortunately, I'd say at best, it will stay in RU2.

The thing has many hard counters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:41:31 No.22753311 Report

Quoted By: >>22753322

>>22753287
It'll be in UU for sure though, never said it'll be OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:43:00 No.22753322 Report

Quoted By: >>22753341

>>22753311
Maybe just because a bunch of people use it.It won't be there because of viability

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:44:06 No.22753335 Report

Quoted By: >>22755836

>>22753306
>Not having exactly what you need to beat your opponent in every situation
Sub 1700 elo scrub fag lord sapien detected

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:44:44 No.22753341 Report

Quoted By: >>22753362

>>22753322
>Doesn't even into smogon tiers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:45:47 No.22753349 Report

Quoted By: >>22753361

>>22753308
What are the mons that counter it? One I can think of is possibly Heliolisk, but the thing has really low defenses, but then again Feraligatr's Sp Def isn't the best.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:47:17 No.22753357 Report

Quoted By:

>>22750117
I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:47:32 No.22753361 Report

Quoted By: >>22753429

>>22753349
Anything fast or bulky against Water or with Priority
Serperior will tear it a new butthole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:47:35 No.22753362 Report

Quoted By: >>22753433

>>22753341
You're right,I should rephrase that.If it gets used a lot it isn't because it's good, it's because people have a hardon for starters

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:55:27 No.22753429 Report

Quoted By: >>22753444

>>22753308
>The thing has many hard counters.
Dunno about Dragon Dance but SD set is a completely ridiculous wallbreaker, it legitimately has no counters at least in UU besides Shaymin, who takes a fuckton if it switches in to Ice Punch, and a REALLY healthy Tangrowth.

It'll get banned from UU for breaking stall and also maybe for breaking offense with DD set.

>>22753361
Please learn what a counter is. Serperior can't switch in to an Ice Punch and if it switches in on Dragon Dance then it won't survive the Ice Punch.

And Serperior is banned in UU anyway so I don't know why you're thinking that it'd make Gatr RU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:55:39 No.22753433 Report

Quoted By: >>22753445

>>22753362
This is why I find Smogon's tiers to be flawed. Democracy doesn't work in Pokémon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:56:49 No.22753444 Report

Quoted By: >>22753455 >>22753592

>>22753429
>Blah blah blah smogonology
None if that matters; it's still a bad Pokémon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:56:58 No.22753445 Report

Quoted By: >>22753482

>>22753433
>Democracy
Usage stats isn't democracy. It's just data.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 03:58:03 No.22753455 Report

Quoted By: >>22753500

>>22753444
hurf

+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Mega Aggron: 179-212 (52 - 61.6%)

numbers don't lie. It's basically Crawdaunt, except it's bulky and doesn't take LO recoil

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:02:13 No.22753482 Report

Quoted By: >>22753508 >>22753569

>>22753445
No thats not it; a lot of people using, or 'voting' for something does not make it a good choice. Lots of people vote for dictators all the time by thinking they'll be good leaders. Smogon is just fortunate that they haven't fallen into similar error yet. If everyone used Sunkern in OU, would it become Uber? By this reasoning it would. That's why the viability rankings should determine what goes in what tiers, not by how often something gets picked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:04:56 No.22753500 Report

Quoted By: >>22753543

>>22753455
>No Knock Off
>Crawdant
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

That's literally the only reason to even use Crawdant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:05:48 No.22753508 Report

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>>22753482
I kinda see your point.
If people often use what is considered good, why not just base the tier on what is considered good? Why bother with usage rates and that asinine crap?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:11:09 No.22753543 Report

Quoted By: >>22753816

>>22753500
I'm well aware that it doesn't have Dark STAB. I'm comparing their damage output. Gatr's Crunch can 2HKO Slowbro anyway, the point is that it tears up defensive teams which is enough to get it a spot in/banned from UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:14:20 No.22753569 Report

Quoted By: >>22753598

>>22753482
Viability rankings are crap, everything there is subjective.

Usage stats are the easiest way to determine the tiers and work well enough. Yes, if Sunkern was used on 3.5% of teams at 1630 ELO it'd become OU, but that's not going to happen now is it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:14:52 No.22753576 Report

Quoted By:

remember when bisharp, mega manectric and clefable were UU

2013 was a wild time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:16:47 No.22753592 Report

Quoted By: >>22754333

>>22753308
>>22753444
You literally sound like the "serperior will be shit" guys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:18:05 No.22753598 Report

Quoted By: >>22753609

>>22753569
>Subjective
There's that buzzword again

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:18:35 No.22753600 Report

Quoted By:

As long as Talonflame exists, I Serperior will go above BL

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:19:35 No.22753609 Report

Quoted By: >>22753677

>>22753598
Yes, because there is an objective measurement that confirms "Keldeo is S rank."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:25:32 No.22753677 Report

Quoted By: >>22753686

>>22753609
You're saying Keldeo isn't a strong Pokémon? Because that's wrong on many levels.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:26:42 No.22753686 Report

Quoted By: >>22753726

>>22753677
I'm not saying it isn't strong. But what if, instead of S rank, it's really just the best A+ rank pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:30:28 No.22753726 Report

Quoted By: >>22753733 >>22753788

>>22753686
What difference would it make. It's still OU in any case. Isn't that all that matters?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:31:50 No.22753733 Report

Quoted By: >>22753771

>>22753726
Oh wait, it wouldn't 'Over Used'.
The tiers would be
>Too good (Ubers)
>Very good
>Pretty good
>Not good
>Crap (NU)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:35:33 No.22753765 Report

Quoted By:

>>22751146
Gyrados Mold Breaker EQ kills washing machine.
I'm glad people think they can safely switch into that shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:36:44 No.22753771 Report

Quoted By: >>22753794

>>22753733
What about Rayquaza.
Broken?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:38:58 No.22753788 Report

Quoted By: >>22753814

>>22753726
So where would the cutoff for going to pretty good be? B+?

And what would happen if some badged user goes and writes an essay saying "you know I kinda feel Suicune is more of a B+ mon?" Is that enough to rip one of the most influential pokemon from UU? Or "you know I kinda feel Chansey has too many flaws for B+" does UU just take that so it can wall everything again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:40:17 No.22753794 Report

Quoted By: >>22754345 >>22754576

>>22753771
You know that saying on how there's no such thing as a stupid question?

Well, there are, and that's one of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:42:03 No.22753814 Report

Quoted By:

>>22753788
I dunno, but I'm pretty certain Smogon would make it work if they tried.

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Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 04:42:10 No.22753816 Report

Quoted By: >>22753966

>>22753543
I'm so sorry bro, i like Gatr too. I'm just trying to shit on him because everytime vp does this the pokemon ends up good. But i simply can't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 05:09:24 No.22753966 Report

Quoted By: >>22754003

>>22753816
Kill yourself frog fag

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Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 05:16:41 No.22754003 Report

Quoted By:

>>22753966

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 06:02:55 No.22754333 Report

Quoted By: >>22755849

>>22753592
You sound like the "Mega Swampert will be top OU" guys

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 06:05:46 No.22754345 Report

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>>22753794
Don't say stupid shit. Don't hear stupid questions.

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Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 06:43:26 No.22754576 Report

Quoted By:

>>22753794
WE ARE NOT THERE YET!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 07:39:04 No.22754909 Report

Quoted By: >>22756320

>>22751360
What the fuck happened? You'd think all of these would've gotten more usage because of the Greninja ban.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 11:38:23 No.22755836 Report

Quoted By:

>>22753335
>putting hp Ice on Heatran
>being serious
>implying

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 11:41:23 No.22755849 Report

Quoted By:

>>22754333
Its not?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Feb 2015 13:34:55 No.22756320 Report

Quoted By:

>>22754909
fuck if I know anon

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