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Metagame Changes Fri 20 Feb 2015 19:53:19 No.22858639 View View Reply Original Report

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I spent a good couple of hours working on this list for you guys. Pokemon battles, while fun, are far too monotonous. I think there should be more common sense-logic involved in it, and moves should have more specific effects than what they have. So let me get started posting.

I have posted this before, but I have added a lot more since then.

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Metagame Changes Fri 20 Feb 2015 19:55:05 No.22858653 Report

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>Adaptability
Reduced to +1.3x STAB moves
>Aftermath
Deals damage equal to 1/2 the opponent's HP
>Air Lock
Removes normal weather effects completely, as well as negating Primal/Mega weather effects. Weather Ball and Nature Power do not work.
>Battle Armor
Defense is raised by 1.3x as well as preventing critical hits
>Big Pecks
Featherdance gains +1 priority
Peck and Drill Peck to 1.5x damage.
When holding sharp beak, its boost is doubled for flying-type moves
>Cacophony
Is used instead of Soundproof on the Whismur line
Non-damaging sound-based moves now do 30BP damage along with whatever type it is.
Sound-based moves gain an additional 1.2x damage increase
Sonicboom does damage equal to your level rather than only 20 damage
>Color Change
Activates before the opponent's move is used -- double edged sword. Fire moves do very little, Dragon and Ghost moves do a lot.
>Damp
Halves all fire moves, but doubles all electric moves (double battles)
>Flame Body
Will remove Sticky Web upon switching in.
Cannot be trapped by Spider Web.
Wring Out, Crush Grip, Constrict, Wrap, and Vicegrip used on this Pokemon guarantee a burn.
>Gale Wings
Only lying moves under 60BP are given +1 priority. Tailwind lasts 5 turns instead of 3.
>Grass Pelt
Increases Defense AND Special Defense by 1.5x in Grassy Terrain. In Sunlight, the boost stacks.
>Forecast
Gains a Sandstorm Rock-Type form and Flying-type Delta Stream form. Weather moves used by this Pokemon are permanent a la Gen5 abilities (unless changed)
>Friend Guard
Helping Hand also makes moves 100% accurate. Moves that affect all Pokemon will only do 1/2 damage to allies.
>Healer
Gives a 100% chance of healing allies at the end of each turn
>Heatproof
Weakens electric moves as well as fire moves. Unaffected by Heat Wave.
>Heavy Metal
All weight-based moves such as Heavy Slam, Grass Knot and Heat Crash always do maximum damage.

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Metagame Changes Fri 20 Feb 2015 19:56:19 No.22858662 Report

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>Honey Gather
Instant win condition, gg, git gud
Sweet Scent is given +1 priority
>Hyper Cutter
"Cutting" moves like Slash and Leaf Blade have +2 critical hit ratio instead of +1
>Ice Body
Heals 1/8 of its health instead of 1/16. Ice moves used on them heal 1/4 of its HP
>Illuminate
"Light"-based moves have 1.3x their base power (Signal Beam, Dazzling Gleam, Flash Cannon).
Non-damaging light-based moves (Flash, Confuse Ray) will do 30bp electric-type damage with this ability.
>Immunity
Immune to all Poison-type moves.
>Inner Focus
Unaffected by Taunt, Torment, Attract, Confusion.
>Justified
Immune to Dark-Type moves.
When Nasty Plot is used by an opponent, its attack stat is raised by one stage.
>Keen Eye
Boosts move accuracy by 1.3x
>Leaf Guard
Boosts defense by 1.5x in Sunlight.
Synthesis heals 75% of maximum health without weather
Synthesis heals 100% of maximum health in harsh sunlight
Magical Leaf and Razor Leaf do 2x damage
>Light Metal
All weight-based moves such as Heavy Slam, Grass Knot, and Heat Crash always do minimum damage
>Limber
Speed cannot be reduced.
>Liquid Ooze
In rain, damages all non-Poison types by 1/8 every turn.
Pokemon using Lick become poisoned
Pokemon using Ingrain lose health instead of gaining every turn.
Sludge and Sludge Bomb deal 1.3x damage
>Magma Armor
Ice/water moves do no damage, but reduce speed instead. Eruption and Lava Plume does 1.3x damage
Cannot be trapped by Spider Web.
Eruption, Earth Power, Magma Storm and Lava Plume will heal this Pokemon by 1/4 of its full health
Wring Out, Crush Grip, Constrict, Wrap, and Vicegrip used on this Pokemon guarantee a burn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Feb 2015 19:56:39 No.22858665 Report

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First, I think pokemon should have their IVs hidden and randomized before each battle. This will give each pokemon the feel of being 'unique', while retaining the EVs and nature that they were originally assigned and trained with.

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Metagame Changes Fri 20 Feb 2015 19:57:23 No.22858675 Report

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>Oblivious
Unaffected by Taunt, Covet, Attract, Baby-Doll Eyes, Sweet Kiss, Flatter, Lovely Kiss, Fake Tears, Charm, Growl, Tail Whip, Disarming Voice. Feint does double damage.
>Own Tempo
Can use Outrage/Petal Dance/Thrash without being locked into a move. Speed cannot be reduced.
>Parental Bond
Extra attack only does 1.2x damage isntead of 1.5x
>Poison Point
Twineedle, Poison Sting, Poison Jab, Megahorn, Poison Fang, and Poison Tail all have a 75% chance to poison.
Regular poison user inflicts is now Toxic Poison.
>Quick Feet
Speed doubles when inflicted with a status condition. Priority moves have an additional +1 priority.
>Rattled
Speed is maximized when hit with a Bug, Dark, or Ghost move. Flinching raises attack by +1. Astonish does x2 damage.
Work Up also raises speed by one stage.
>Rivalry
Pokemon of the same species get an additional 1.3x to their moves.
Pokemon with the same gender and egg group get an additional 1.3x to their moves.
Pokemon with the same gender and species/family do 2x damage.
>Rock Head
Skull Bash no longer needs a turn to charge
Headbutt deals 1.5x damage and becomes a Rock-Type move
>Run Away
U-Turn and Parting shot are given +1 priority.
When hit with a move that does over 1/2 of its maximum health, it will switch out like Eject Button, allowing you to choose something new.
>Sand Force
Pokemon with this ability allows the move Sandstorm to last as long as they are in battle.
Sand Attack will do an additional 40BP rock-type damage
Rock Slide does an additional 1.2x damage
Sand Tomb also reduces the opponent's speed by one stage
>Sand Rush
Sand Attack will do an additional 40BP rock-type damage
>Solar Power
Solar Beam does an additional 1.3x damage
Heat Wave does an addtional 1.3x damage
Damage every turn is reduced from 1/8 to 1/16

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Metagame Changes Fri 20 Feb 2015 19:58:30 No.22858682 Report

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>Steadfast
Scary Face used on this Pokemon will fail.
Pokemon, instead of flinching, will increase its speed and attack anyway.
When Sucker Punch is used on this Pokemon, it will also raise its speed.
>Stench
Negates Aroma Veil, Aromatherapy, Aromatic Mist, Fairy Wind, Sweet Scent.
When Tailwind is in effect on opponent's side, Stench is negated.
When Tailwind is in effect on ally's side, flinch chances are doubled to 20% on contact
Belch does 1.5x damage
Poison Gas now deals Toxic Poison
>Sticky Hold
Damages foe by 1/8 of its total HP when using Knock Off or Covet
>Sturdy
Moves with increased critical hit chance (Slash, etc.) have their critical hit rate reduced by 1 stage.
>Suction Cups
Recoil moves used by opponents receive 1.5x the recoil damage.
Seismic toss, Vital Throw, Take Down, Sky Drop, and Storm Throw all fail.
>Synchronize
Also affected by stat changes.
>Telepathy
Future Sight and Doom Desire fail against this Pokemon.
Protect and Detect can be used on additional turn before starting to fail.
This Pokemon is unaffected by Feint and Sucker Punch.
>Teravolt
Electric moves can be used against Ground Types, but they won't be very effective.
>Turboblaze
Fire moves' not-very-effective damage is now reduced by only .75x rather than .5x

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Metagame Changes Fri 20 Feb 2015 19:59:54 No.22858695 Report

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>Unnerve
Opposing Pokemon cannot use Leftovers.
Opposing Pokemon cannot use items that require activation (i.e. Gems)
>Vital Spirit
While under the effects of Taunt or Torment, attack power is increased by 1.5x
Howl raises attack by 2 stages instead of 1
Full paralysis effect only occurs 10% of the time
>Water Veil
Fire-type moves' damage are reduced by .5x
Chance of becoming frozen is doubled
>Weak Armor
Attack is boosted as well as speed when hit with a contact move
Fire-type moves used on this Pokemon function lower opponent's accuracy by one stage
>White Smoke
Wind-based moves (Gust, Hurricane, Razor Wind, Fairy Wind, etc.) remove this ability for one turn.
Prevents major status effects as well (paralysis, sleep, poison)
>Zen Mode
Can be activated at any time, functions like Mega-Evolution, but cannot be deactivated unless switched out

TYPE CHART CHANGES
>Ice Types
Immune To Water attacks
Resist Flying attacks
>Psychic Types
Immune to Confusion status
>Bug Types
Resist Fairy attacks
>Water Types
Poison attacks are super effective

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Metagame Changes Fri 20 Feb 2015 20:00:57 No.22858701 Report

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>Comet Punch
Changed to Flying-Type
Base Power changed to 25
>Mega Punch
Base power increase to 100
>Razor Wind
Base Power increased to 110
Keeps increased critical hit ratio
>Cut
Base Power is doubled after using Hone Claws
>Slam
Increase accuracy to 90%, modeled after Dragon Rush and Aqua Tail
>Twinneedle
Increase to 50 Base Power
>Sonic Boom
Deals damage equal to user's level
Changes battle music to Guile's Theme
>Drill Peck
Base Power increased to 90
>Submission
Base Power increased to 90
>Strength
Power increased by 1.5x for one turn immediately after using Bulk Up
>Mirror Move
If this move copies "Chatter" or any other sound-based move, it will deal double damage back.
>Meditate
Pokemon becomes immune to flinching until switching out
Focus Punch will not fail if used on the next turn
Zen Headbutt's Base Power temporarily increased to 1.3x
>Rolling Kick
Accuracy changed from 85% to 100%
Base Power increases based on the opponent's height, like low kick with weight
>Dragon Rage
If the user is a Dragon type, this attack does damage equal to its level
>Rage
If the user is hit with a move on the turn it is used, its attack will raise by two stages
>Teleport
Functions as a U-Turn/Volt Switch move, except it doesn't do any damage
>Screech
Psychic moves fail after this move is used
Changed to Dark-Type
>Harden
Contact moves used on this Pokemon are reduced by .75x
>Minimize
Body Slam does 1.5x damage
Gust, Hurricane, Surf, and Muddy Water force out the user
Sound moves, along with the above moves, gain 100% accuracy

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Metagame Changes Fri 20 Feb 2015 20:02:23 No.22858708 Report

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>Smokescreen
Effects are removed by Gust, Hurricane, and Defog
>Withdraw
If Shell Smashed is used immediately afterwards, stat changes from the move have an additional stage effect
i.e. attack, sp. atk, and speed are increased by 2.5x, defenses are decreased by 2.x
>Defense Curl
Ice Ball functions like Rollout's boost
Steamroller functions like Rollout's boost
Pokemon is not affected by recoil on the following turn
Vital Throw, Seismic Toss, Storm Throw, and Circle Throw all deal half damage
>Barrier
Defense raise is changed from 2 stages to 3
>Bide
User's evasion and defenses are raised by one stage during the waiting period
>Mirror Move+
Sound-based moves now deal double damage back
>Self-Destruct
Base power is increased from 200 to 250
>Egg Bomb
Accuracy is increased from 75% to 100%
>Bone Club
Accuracy increased to 100%
Base power increased from 65 to 80
Flinching chance is now removed
>Skull Bash
Pokemon with the ability Rock Head no longer need a turn to charge
>Spike Cannon
Change Base Power from 20 to 25
>Kinesis
Psychic moves become super effective on Steel types until the user switches out
The move, Psychic, deals 1.5x damage until the user switches out
>Dream Eater
Base Power increased to 120
The user takes damage if used on sleeping Dark-type Pokemon
When used on Fairy Type Pokemon, it heals 75% of damage dealt
>Poison Gas
Increase accuracy from 90% to 100%
Fails if Tailwind is still in effect
>Dizzy Punch
Now has a 30% chance of confusing the target

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Metagame Changes Fri 20 Feb 2015 20:03:27 No.22858712 Report

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>Flash
Deals an additional 10BP in electric damage
Dark Pulse, Night Daze, and Dark Void cannot be used until this Pokemon switches out
>Splash
Has a 0.01% chance of doing 1 damage to the target
>Explosion
Base power increased from 250 to 300
>Fury Swipes
Accuracy increased from 80% to 95%
Each individual attack has a 30% chance of a critical hit
>Bonemerang
Now super-effective against Flying-Type Pokemon
>Triple Kick
Base power increased to 40
>Spider Web
Can now be Baton Passed to other Pokemon
Pokemon with the abilities Magma Armor and Flame Body remove the effect
>Mind Reader
For one turn after being used, after selecting your move, you may view your opponent's next action and choose something new.
>Flame Wheel
Removes effects of String Shot and Sticky Web from the user.
>Foresight
The next Normal-type move used by this Pokemon gains +1 priority
>Lock-On
Detect will fail against moves affected by Lock On
Bullet Seed will do x2 damage
Sludge Bomb, Egg Bomb, Seed Bomb, Mud Bomb, and Magnet Bomb all deal 1.5x damage if used immediately after
>Milk Drink
Will also cure regular Poison (not Toxic poison)
>Spark
Does 2x damage when raining.
>Safeguard
If Light Clay is held, it functions for 8 turns instead of 5
>Dragon Breath
Paralysis chance increased from 30% to 40%
Damage increased from 60 to 70 base power
>Sweet Scent
Fails if opponent's Tailwind is still in effect

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Metagame Changes Fri 20 Feb 2015 20:05:24 No.22858718 Report

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>Memento
Effect returns when the afflicted Pokemon switches in again, until the battle ends.
>Charge
Heals itself by 1/4 if hit by an electric move after use.
Discharge deals an additional 1.5x damage if used next turn
>Ingrain
In rain, heals itself by 1/8 instead of 1/16
Earthquake and Magnitude's do .5x damage to this Pokemon
Water-Type moves heal this Pokemon by 1/16
>Revenge
If an ally has fainted this turn, attack is increased by two stages before damage is dealt
>Brick Break
Also removes stat changes created by the move Barrier
>Knock Off
Reduced to 40 base power
>Imprison
Also prevents opponent's abilities and items from working if they are shared with the user
>Tail Glow
Lowers evasion by 1 stage.
>Needle Arm
Has a 10% chance to poison the target as well as a 30% chance to flinch
>Crush Claw
Increased base power from 75 to 85
Removes Light Screen and Reflect
>Odor Sleuth
Pokemon with the ability Aroma Veil, Stench, and Flower Veil cannot switch out
>Cosmic Power
Special Attack is also increased by one stage.
>Signal Beam
If this move is used on an opposing Pokemon in dobules, any moves used on it aftewards will not miss.
>Sky Uppercut
Is super effective on Flying-Type Pokemon.
>Howl
Fire Fang, Thunder Fang, Ice Fang, Bite, and Crunch now do 1.5x damage
Allied Pokemon in double and triples also get 1.5x damage
>Pluck
Now removes leftovers as well.
>Payback
Deals double damage if an ally is damaged that turn as well (does not stack)
>Heal Block
Remains in effect until the affected Pokemons switches out instead of lasting five turns.
>Worry Seed
Affected Pokemon cannot use Aromatherapy, Slack Off, or Refresh.

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Metagame Changes Fri 20 Feb 2015 20:06:30 No.22858723 Report

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>Rock Polish
Rollout and Ice Ball now have +1 priority.
When Flash is used on this Pokemon after using Rock Polish, the opponent's accuracy is also reduced by one stage
>Sucker Punch
If Mind Reader was used last turn, this move will fail.
If the opposing Pokemon's ability is Telepathy, this mvoe will fail.
>X-Scissor
Base Power is reduced from 80 to 70
Critical hit ratio is now +1
>Earth Power
Also deals Fire-Type Damage
>Avalanche
Will deal 2x damage to all opposing Pokemon if a sound-based move is used on it
>Discharge
Will do double damage if the move Charge is used one turn before
>Magnet Bomb
Will do double-damage on opposing Steel-types
>Stealth Rock
Switch-in damage maxes out at 1/4 instead of 1/2
>Attack Order
Unaffected by the user's stat decreases.
>Incinerate
Lowers base power from 60 to 30
Destroys any item the opponent is carrying except for Iron Ball and Hard Stone
Does double damage if an item is removed
>Dual Chop
Each attack has a +1 critical hit ratio

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Metagame Changes Fri 20 Feb 2015 20:07:43 No.22858732 Report

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>Cotton Guard
Gust and Hurricane will remove the defense boosts
>Mat Block
Only blocks contact moves.
>Belch
Will work if holding Leftovers as well
Will do additional effects when specific berries are consumed, i.e. will lower opponent's speed if a Salac Berry is consumed
>Rototiller
Ingrain will heal 1/8 of its total HP every turn.
If it is raining, increase the defense and special defense of grass types by one stage
If there is harsh sunlight, increase the special attack of grass types by one stage
>Noble Roar
If the user is hit by a Dark-type attack this turn, raise its attack and special attack by one stage.
>Mystical Fire
Base Power is increased from 65 to 80
Also deals Fairy-type damage
>Water Shuriken
Changed to a specially-based move instead of physical.
>Magnetic Flux
The effects of Magnet Rise fail
Steel and electric-type moves will now hit random targets
>Powder
If an opponent tries to use Flame Charge, it will take 50% of its total health instead of 25%.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Feb 2015 20:11:01 No.22858742 Report

Quoted By: >>22858768 >>22858770 >>22859142

>forecast permanent weather

hahaha fuck no
You even play during Gen V? Must not have if you think that's okay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Feb 2015 20:17:25 No.22858768 Report

Quoted By: >>22858775

>>22858742
Castform is fucking garbage anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Feb 2015 20:18:11 No.22858770 Report

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>>22858742
On Castform? Are you fucking serious?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Feb 2015 20:18:45 No.22858775 Report

Quoted By: >>22858786 >>22858814

>>22858768
So were Politoed and Ninetales, and that's only a little bit less broken than them.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Feb 2015 20:21:47 No.22858786 Report

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>>22858775
Politoed and Ninetales may be garbage but Castform is on a completely different level of fucking trash shit which is a shame because I like it

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Anonymous Fri 20 Feb 2015 20:21:59 No.22858787 Report

Quoted By: >>22859171

>>22858701
>>Sonic Boom
>Deals damage equal to user's level
>Changes battle music to Guile's Theme

Kek'd so hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Feb 2015 20:23:41 No.22858796 Report

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>>22858786
It wouldn't be anywhere near bad with an ability like that. It would either ruin the meta or get banned. Rain even dominated Gen IV UU back when there wasn't permanent (good)weather outside of ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Feb 2015 20:26:35 No.22858814 Report

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>>22858775
That's only because they could switch in and change the game. Castform has to waste a turn using an move to summon it. It's frail as fuck and pretty damn slow, too.

Trust me, I hated weather wars back in gen5 too, just as much as anyone. But this isn't the same thing.

Also, we have super-strong priority now to offset the swift swim and chlorophyll users. And it wouldn't be permanent like the Primal Abilities -- it would just last longer.

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>Absorb Bulb
Will be burnt away it hit by a fire move.
Raises Specal Attack by one stage when hit by a Water-Type Move
Grants a one-time immunity to Water-Type moves, heals HP by 1/4 when consumed
too bad mega camerupt can't hold another item
>Big Root
Heals an additional 1/16 every turn from Ingrain
During rain, heals an additional 1/16 every turn.
>Binding Band
Now doubles all binding moves, i.e. Wrap, Fire Spin, etc.
>Black Belt
Karate Chop and Rolling Kick now have 1.5x base power
>Black Glasses
Flash no longer affects the wielder.
>Blue Scarf
"Beautiful" moves have a 50% chance to not consume PP upon use.
>Destiny Knot
Charm now reduces the attack of both Pokemon when used.
Sweet Kiss confuses both Pokemon.
Lovely Kiss puts both Pokemon to sleep.
Flatter confuses both Pokemon.
>Electrizer
When held by Electabuzz, its speed is increased by 1.5x
>Float Stone
This Pokemon takes half damage from Ground-Type moves
>Full Incense
If this item is held by Snorlax or Munchlax, they will always go last, but will have 1.5x special defense
>Green Scarf
"Clever" moves have a 50% chance to not consume PP upon use.
>Lagging Tail
If held by Onix or Steelix, Iron Tail gains 100% accuracy and gets 1.5x damage
>Magmarizer
When held by Magmar, its speed is increased by 1.5x
>Muscle Band
Mega Punch and Mega Kick are given +1 to their critical hit ratio
>Pink Scarf
"Cute" moves have a 50% chance to not consume PP upon use.
>Power Anklet, Band, Belt, Bracer, Lens, and Weight
When knocked off, its speed is doubled (after resetting speed back to normal)
>Protector
When held by Rhydon, its Special Defense is doubled.
>Razor Fang
Biting Moves deal an additional 1.2x damage.
>Reaper cloth
When held by Dusknoir, Ghost-Type moves get 1.5x damage
>Red Scarf
"Cool" moves have a 50% chance to not consume PP upon use.
>Yellow Scarf
"Tough" moves have a 50% chance to not consume PP upon use.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Feb 2015 21:29:28 No.22859142 Report

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>>22858662
>Inner Focus prevents Taunt, Torment, Attract, AND Confusion status
Fuck yeah, Mega Gallade. Who's useless now? Too bad your psychic types are already immune to confusion anyway. And he gets Teleport too, which has been buffed. Damn.

>Leaf Guard Tangrowth in the sun
holy shit, do you even realize what you've done
although i'm totally happy with it anyway

>Sand Force Mega Steelix
That'd be cool. Set up Trick Room and Sandstorm first turn, then Rock Slide away. He'd finally be okay

>Teleport Mega Alakazam w/ Kinesis
Not gamebreaking, but damn. He's so fast. It'd be cool to see this move in actual use. And he could finally get those Steel types, too, without having to resort to Shadow Ball or something. But I guess Teleport would be better.

>Ingrain Suction Cups Cradily in rain
Would be even more annoying. Bravest Bird wouldn't be able to be as much of a threat with that recoil damage boost that Suction Cups gives. And Ingrain gives it a water immunity. This would be pretty cool in doubles.

>Imprison on Prankster Klefki
Preventing other Pranksters' abilities from working? And their shared items? In doubles? hot damn, fuck swagplay

>Cosmic Power Unaware/Magic Guard Clefable
Raising special attack too? Fuck that. Good idea if it wasn't for him and Sigilyph. Hate those fuckers.

>Incinerate New Meta
You'll rarely see Knock Off again. That shit is great. And it doesn't even make contact. And it gets such surprising distribution, after checking serebii. This would become the new move of choice.

Overall, you did a good job, OP. Some of your stuff may be an issue though, like >>22858742
Thanks for doing this for us, it was fun to go through it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Feb 2015 21:34:08 No.22859171 Report

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>>22858787
Is that cropped porn? You have full-pic sauce?

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Anonymous Fri 20 Feb 2015 21:57:07 No.22859326 Report

Quoted By: >>22859660

Cool.

How are you going to implement this, OP?

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Anonymous Fri 20 Feb 2015 22:38:18 No.22859660 Report

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>>22859326
... don't shatter my dreams already

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