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Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 12:17:57 No.22883351 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22883382 >>22883390 >>22883463 >>22886157 >>22886368 >>22888582

How do we fix Hail?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 12:26:11 No.22883377 Report

Quoted By: >>22883432

we already talked about this, it goes something like

>raise def by 50%
>boost ice moves by 15%

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 12:26:53 No.22883382 Report

Quoted By: >>22886502

>>22883351

>Sandstorm
Raises the Special Defense of Rock types by 50%

>Hail
Raises the Defense of Ice types by 50%

Essentially giving a pseudo-resistance to physical moves if hail is up. Couple that with at least one more Pokémon with Snow Warning and a good defensive part Ice typing, and it probably will make Hail at least as usable as the other weathers.

Well, maybe throw in another ability or two that does something in Hail similar to Chlorophyll or Sand Force does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 12:29:24 No.22883390 Report

Quoted By:

>>22883351
lower the speed of non-ice types 1 stage at the end of each turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 12:42:04 No.22883422 Report

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Non ice types freeze after being in for 2 or 3 turns in a row.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 12:46:11 No.22883432 Report

Quoted By: >>22883448 >>22883456

>>22883377
>15%
For what purpose
Just give it the 50% boost like sun and rain

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 12:50:28 No.22883448 Report

Quoted By: >>22883475

>>22883432
that's too unbalanced
>STAB 50% boosted Blizzard
Jesus fucking christ

also fire and water types don't get any defense boost from Sun/Rain do they?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 12:52:12 No.22883456 Report

Quoted By: >>22883475

>>22883432

>50% boosted 100% accurate Blizzards with no downsides

The downside to the boosted powerful moves for Fire and Water is accuracy or some other thing. Hail's "thing" is improved accuracy on a powerful move, giving it 50% boost as well would be too much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 12:55:02 No.22883463 Report

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>>22883351
It becomes the only permanent weather.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 12:55:13 No.22883464 Report

Quoted By: >>22883507

Make it give a 50% defense boost for ice types. It should be treated as an equivalent to sand not sun/rain, so I don't think attack power should be boosted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 13:00:26 No.22883475 Report

Quoted By: >>22883501

>>22883448
>>22883456

Are we sure it would be too much? Ice types are frail as fuck so at best they're getting a kill and getting revenge'd the next turn (or forced out and then wrecked by SR when they come back in).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 13:06:22 No.22883497 Report

Quoted By: >>22883658

Ice-Types get 50% def boost in hail.
Sand Force or Sand Rush equivalent.
Another non-mega Hail setter besides Aurorus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 13:06:38 No.22883501 Report

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>>22883475
252+ SpA Mega Abomasnow Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 300-354 (74.2 - 87.6%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

That's with 165 BP for Blizzard.
It's definitely strong but not really broken.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 13:07:51 No.22883507 Report

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>>22883464
>mamo in hail
I can dig it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 13:50:10 No.22883645 Report

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Hail is there to support ice types. You'd start by making ice less shit as a typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 13:52:25 No.22883649 Report

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Add "sieg" in front of it.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 13:55:57 No.22883658 Report

Quoted By: >>22883667

>>22883497
>snow warning froslass

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 14:01:00 No.22883667 Report

Quoted By: >>22884099

>>22883658
>252 SpA Choice Specs Froslass Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 195-229 (48.2 - 56.6%) -- 34.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
I take it back that was kinda underwhelming

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 15:47:23 No.22884099 Report

Quoted By: >>22889345

>>22883667
>also fire and water types don't get any defense boost from Sun/Rain do they?
it's still pretty useful

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 15:53:57 No.22884123 Report

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Slow non ice types down too. Ice types are way too fucking slow. Make it like a weather sticky web as mentioned above

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 16:44:09 No.22884319 Report

Quoted By: >>22884340

>140+ bp perfect accuracy moves are okay for fire and water
>hail faggots should be happy with their 110 bp perfect accuracy move jesus i mean fuck them overpowered pieces of shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 16:51:55 No.22884340 Report

Quoted By: >>22884343 >>22884346

>>22884319
>140+ bp perfect accuracy moves are okay for fire and water
please explain

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 16:54:12 No.22884343 Report

Quoted By: >>22884356

>>22884340
I assume he's still living in a world where Surf and Flamethrower have 95 BP. 135 is close enough, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 16:54:36 No.22884346 Report

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>>22884340
Overheat probably, no idea about the water one unless this nig seriously considers hydro cannon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 16:56:06 No.22884356 Report

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>>22884343
Yeah, I was just curious about the 140+

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 17:04:12 No.22884408 Report

Quoted By: >>22884421

Hail now doubles the speed of ice types without the use of an ability like Swift Swim.

How does the meta change?

>Stop with raising def 50%, literally all ice types have BST for offensive not defense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 17:07:24 No.22884421 Report

Quoted By: >>22884486

>>22884408
>literally all ice types have BST for offensive not defense

Bullshit, we've been bitching about them making ice types defensive forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 17:16:21 No.22884453 Report

Quoted By: >>22884513

Shit already in game:
>Hail now boosts def by 50%
>Ice body now heals 1/8 per turn for ice. 15% chance of freezing enemy when hit with contact moves.

Added shit:
>Sleet speed: hail swift swim.
Give it to empoleon, regice, Vanilluxe, frolass, glaceon, sawsbuck, mightyena.
>Thick Ice: Reduces damage by 50% to fighting, rock, and water during hail
Give it to Avalugg, Kyurem(normal), Regice,

Why a defensive buff instead of a sand force? Because Ice is already an offensive powerhouse. Sand force Ice would be too powerful as nothing is immune to ice unlike ground with flying and levitate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 17:22:37 No.22884486 Report

Quoted By: >>22884576 >>22884610

>>22884421
Only Avalugg, Cryogonal, Lapras, Ragice and Walrein are fully evolved defensive ice types, the rest are mainly slow offensive threats like Aurorus, Cloyster, Glaceon, Glalie, Mamoswine and Vanilluxe.

It's only right to give them a speed boost that they so need.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 17:27:18 No.22884513 Report

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>>22884453
>15% chance of freezing
Never ever

Other than that call Sleet speed - Slick Ice (Pokemon sage) and Thick Ice - Permafrost also possibly fix which mons get them too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 17:35:24 No.22884576 Report

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>>22884486
Articuno is also defensive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 17:41:12 No.22884610 Report

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>>22884486
>glalie

I sure hope you mean mega because Glalie has 80 everything and is ill-suited to offensive roles. Or any roles, really, but you know. Cloyster is also clearly more physically defensive than it is anything else and that didn't change until it got Shell Smash. And even that only changed it because it's fucking Shell Smash and they were high when they made that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 21:05:27 No.22886157 Report

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>>22883351
make it fire type and deal 4x damage to probopass

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Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 21:10:53 No.22886182 Report

Quoted By: >>22886458

Hail now
-Gives 50% defense
-Makes Ice attacks 100% accurate
-lowers accuracy of all non-Ice types

There, I made Ice types go from useless to fucking broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 21:33:26 No.22886368 Report

Quoted By: >>22886386

>>22883351
To buff defense by 50&.

But fuck it, by this point we know Masuda hates ice types on purpose. It's his running gag.

I mena, for fuck sake, he did the ice bucket challenge without ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 21:35:14 No.22886386 Report

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>>22886368
>Grammar
Excuse me, I'm drunk.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 21:50:25 No.22886458 Report

Quoted By:

>>22886182
>Makes Ice attacks 100% accurate
>Sheer Cold

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Feb 2015 22:01:03 No.22886502 Report

Quoted By:

>>22883382
Also, Non-Ice Types get an accuracy reduction as would non Rock/Ground/Steel types in Sandstorm

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Feb 2015 02:06:03 No.22888582 Report

Quoted By: >>22888601

>>22883351

I would have it boost Special Defense by 50%
And that's it.

To fix Ice Type in general, give them resistance to water and/or grass

Give Lapras, Aurorus, Abomasnow, Articuno, and Regice a new move: Thin Ice

Ice Type Stealth Rock

Laslty have an Ice Type Swift Swim, call it Bobsled, give it to Jynx, Weavile, and Froslass.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Feb 2015 02:08:23 No.22888601 Report

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>>22888582

Call it Speed Skate and we got a deal. I love you for improving Jynx, she's my fave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Feb 2015 03:24:11 No.22889345 Report

Quoted By:

>>22884099
They get a resistance

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