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Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 16:18:47 No.22986635 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>22986641 >>22986647 >>22986655 >>22986667 >>22987188 >>22987279 >>22990919

What if Mega Sceptile got Technician instead of Lighting Rod? Would it be OU? Because unlike Gallade who can use his worthless ability for Skill Swaping shenanigans, I feel that its current ability isn't doing any favors for it and is only viable by it's stats and mixed movepool. Would Technician save it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 16:20:03 No.22986641 Report

Quoted By: >>22986828 >>22986846

>>22986635
It would certainly make Dual Chop a hell of a lot more painful and could certainly make him more viable

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 16:20:39 No.22986647 Report

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>>22986635
dragonbreath would be fucking awesome on this dude since dragon pulse got nerfed on this gen, and also lots of moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 16:22:58 No.22986655 Report

Quoted By: >>22986723 >>22987544

>>22986635

>every pokemon has to have a perfectly optimized ability instead of something that fits thematically

>>>/reddit/

moves powered by technician worth using on sceptile

moves powered by technician worth using on sceptile Sun 08 Mar 2015 16:24:07 No.22986667 Report

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>>22986635
dual chop
hidden power
rock tomb
aerial ace
bulldoze
bullet seed
double kick
dragon breath
magical leaf (i guess, you are better using energy ball or leaf storm anyway)

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Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 16:32:21 No.22986723 Report

Quoted By: >>22987120

>>22986655
Technician thematically fits it though. Its resembles some kind of experienced hunter you see in the forest. Its arm blades are tipped in red almost resembling blood from it's victims. It even has a sharp missile-tail that launches like a hunter using his arch. The ability makes perfect sense for it.

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Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 16:46:35 No.22986828 Report

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>>22986641
Outrage: 120 BP * 1.5(STAB) = 180 BP
Dual Chop 40*1.5(Technician boost)*1.5(STAB)= 90 BP * 2= 180 BP
Basically Dual Chop would be an Outrage with zero drawbacks outside of a 10% chance of missing and could break subs and sashes. HOLY SHIT

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Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 16:48:28 No.22986846 Report

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Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:23:56 No.22987120 Report

Quoted By: >>22987162

>>22986723

>resembles some kind of experienced hunter you see in the forest

No it doesn't. Not in any way.

Lightningrod makes it virtually immune to crippling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:28:18 No.22987153 Report

Quoted By: >>22987171 >>22987296

So basically, put all that special attack to waste?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:29:17 No.22987162 Report

Quoted By: >>22987169

>>22987120
>what is body slam

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:29:49 No.22987169 Report

Quoted By: >>22990977

>>22987162

something that no one fucking uses, just like glare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:30:18 No.22987171 Report

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>>22987153
>what is nidoking

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Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:32:47 No.22987188 Report

Quoted By: >>22987271 >>22988620

>>22986635

No, Technician wouldn't save it. Lightningrod is the better ability for it.

Mega Sceptile's problem is its typing. Nobody wants to waste their Mega slot on a fast, frail Grass / Dragon when they could be using Mega Lopunny, Metagross, Sableye, Altaria, Diancie, ect.

Now that we have Contrary Serperior, Sceptile lost its niche in OU. On top of that, Grass types are used for their defensive capabilities (in OU, at least).

It's a shame, Sceptile is a great Mega. It just doesn't do anything of note.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:34:58 No.22987210 Report

Quoted By: >>22987217

>>22987171
A poor man's Feraligatr now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:35:02 No.22987212 Report

Quoted By: >>22987219 >>22987230 >>22987296

>>22986846
and how many sceptile do you see using outrage?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:36:48 No.22987217 Report

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>>22987210
>what is a poor man's Feraligatr

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:37:13 No.22987219 Report

Quoted By: >>22987457

>>22987212
>Sceptile doesn't usually run outrage so it'd never run a move that's just as powerful with almost no drawbacks that can break subs or sashes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:38:14 No.22987230 Report

Quoted By: >>22987231

>>22987212
None. It has a shitty Atk stat that can't be boosted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:38:59 No.22987231 Report

Quoted By: >>22987240

>>22987230
>Swords Dance
never listen to /vp/, kids

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:40:32 No.22987240 Report

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>>22987231
Too frail to set up.

Next

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Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:46:42 No.22987271 Report

Quoted By: >>22987290 >>22991810

>>22987188
>Now that we have Contrary Serperior, Sceptile lost its niche in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:47:58 No.22987279 Report

Quoted By: >>22987303 >>22987575

>>22986635
What if MSwampert got Sap Sipper instead of Swift Swim ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:49:03 No.22987290 Report

Quoted By: >>22987295

>>22987271

Explain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:49:36 No.22987295 Report

Quoted By: >>22987359

>>22987290

I'm not the one who made the statement. Burden of proof is on you/the quoted guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:49:47 No.22987296 Report

Quoted By: >>22987316 >>22987457

>>22987212
No Sceptile runs Outrage since its a shit move for it. Now if Sceptie had Technician, it can viably run a Swords Dance/Hone Claws set and it's Dual Chop would share the same BP of Outrage except it wouldn't have the drawbacks of the move meaning you won't get revenge killed by Fairies and Steels.
>>22987153
Sceptile is a mixed attacker nigga. It has the special movepool to make use of Technican(Dragonbreath being stronger than Dragon Pulse, HP Fire is as strong as Flamethower, Magical Leaf sharing the same BP of Energy Ball but never misses) and would be able to effectively run a special or mixed set with those moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:50:47 No.22987303 Report

Quoted By: >>22987590

>>22987279
It would probably be worse honestly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:52:36 No.22987316 Report

Quoted By: >>22987455

>>22987296

yeah and if sceptile had huge power it could run anything cause it would be super strong Xd

technician makes no sense on it, stop being a nigger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 17:59:53 No.22987359 Report

Quoted By: >>22992156

>>22987295

Mega Sceptile and Serperior are both fast offensive Grass types. They share a lot of great attributes, but Sceptile's advantages (faster than Lopunny, T-Wave immune, STAB Dragon Pulse, Earthquake) aren't enough to justify using it over other Megas.

Furthermore, Serperior's Leaf Storm is far stronger, and sorta mitigates its bad coverage. It's a better choice for the offensive Grass-type role. Then you have stuff like Nasty Plot Celebi, which is probably better than Serperior overall.

Which part do you disagree with, and if so, why?

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Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 18:10:47 No.22987455 Report

Quoted By: >>22988530

>>22987316
>technician makes no sense on it, stop being a nigger.
But it makes sense for Scyther and Scizor right? Who are both hunters like Sceptile? Go fuck yourself on a cactus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 18:10:49 No.22987457 Report

Quoted By: >>22987669

>>22987219
>>22987296
if you genuinely think that technician dual chop alone would suddenly make swords dance mega sceptile viable then you're completely retarded. outrage is not the reason people don't use physical mega sceptile.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 18:21:08 No.22987544 Report

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>>22986655
>SALAMENCE SHOULD GET AERIALATE AND 145 ATTACK SO IT CAN MURDER EVERYTHING AND MAKE IT BULKY AND FAST SO IT'S UNSTOPPABLE TOO
>Pidgeot gets No Guard. And no Focus Blast kek
>Gallade gets Inner Focus LOL
>Sceptile gets lightning rod c:

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 18:25:12 No.22987569 Report

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Would be good, but don't forget this thing can only be paralyzed by mold breaker or glare, which is like 1 good user for each.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 18:25:51 No.22987575 Report

Quoted By: >>22987590

>>22987279
It wouldn't have a niche. It's just end up being a bulky attacker with no recovery except rest. Defensive teams would just use Slowbro over it.

Swift Swim is a pretty amazing ability, really, Rain is a very good playstyle. People just don't use it because they're dumb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 18:28:37 No.22987590 Report

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>>22987575
>>22987303
Mega Swampert gets Sap sipper in Zeta and Omnicron and it's a top tier threat in their metagame

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 18:39:42 No.22987669 Report

Quoted By: >>22988569

>>22987457
Physical Mega Sceptile isn't viable cause it lacks the firepower and utility to actually be worthwhile. But with Technician, you would get tools like boosted Rock Tombs, Bullet Seeds, Low Kicks on 60 BP opponents, and 90 BP Double Kicks. Those can offer sash/sub breaking, speed reductions, or extra chances for crits while all having decent base power. A SD set might be viable with this ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 20:53:01 No.22988530 Report

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>>22987455

Should Mightyena get technician too? It's a hunter after all.

Mantises employ much more tactile skill than fucking lizards. Lizards don't even hunt with their claws, they just use them to climb and fight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 20:58:51 No.22988569 Report

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>>22987669

SD set isn't viable because Sceptile is too fragile to boost, and is also prone to burn, unless he runs Sub in which case you get a whopping two attacks at most. He doesn't need to slow or break subs when he outspeeds everything anyway, he only needs power which he already has without Technician.

Technician would be even more gimmicky than Lightning Rod.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Mar 2015 21:09:03 No.22988620 Report

Quoted By: >>22990179

>>22987188
>grass
>defensive

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2015 00:26:01 No.22990179 Report

Quoted By: >>22990850

>>22988620
>celebi
>ferrothorn
>chesnaught
>mega venusaur

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2015 02:10:32 No.22990850 Report

Quoted By: >>22990864 >>22990975

>>22990179
>trillion weaknesses: the pokemon
>4x fire weakness
>4x flying weakness
>requires a mega stone to not suck

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2015 02:13:38 No.22990864 Report

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>>22990850
>>requires a mega stone to not suck

You never used Venusaur, didn't you

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2015 02:22:12 No.22990919 Report

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>>22986635
imagine megas gets their own hidden abilities..

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2015 02:30:02 No.22990975 Report

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>>22990850
Regular Venusaur is usable in Sun teams you faglord. Have you even played gen 5?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2015 02:30:26 No.22990977 Report

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>>22987169
mfw i always kill mega sceptile with my snorlax 2hit and it gets nearly always paralysed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2015 04:43:34 No.22991810 Report

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>>22987271
>tfw Sceptile would've been OU last moth
>Suddenly, Greninja ban
>No reason to run its speed anymore
>Serperior getting contrary makes it a more viable fast grass attacker in a Greninjaless environment
>Usage drops all day

Being Sceptile is suffering

Should've gotten Pure Power for dat dere viable mixed attacking

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Mar 2015 05:31:00 No.22992156 Report

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>>22987359
>Mega Sceptile and Serperior are both fast offensive Grass types
Not really, Serperior is more of a fast support pokemon, it has better bulk, access to screens, glare and what not. Sceptile on the other hand has way better attacking stats and movepool and non existant bulk.

>Serperior's Leaf Storm is far stronger, and sorta mitigates its bad coverage
It's only stronger AFTER you get one off, and the lack of coverage means you can get easily walled, since grass isn't the best attacking type. Sceptile is a way better offensive mon than Serpierior, but it needs a mega stone, which is why it's not worth it most of the time

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