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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 16:40:55 No.23128302 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>23128528 >>23128819 >>23129624 >>23129804 >>23136692

Alright Game Freak, we get it, you like this guy.
Sheeesh..

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 16:43:38 No.23128317 Report

Quoted By: >>23128393 >>23128438 >>23128480 >>23128512 >>23129628 >>23129718

Who's the second mascot of Pokemon? Lucario or Charizard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 16:52:22 No.23128393 Report

Quoted By: >>23128404 >>23128448 >>23128475 >>23128482

>>23128317

Pikachu
Lucario
Blaziken
Charizard
Garchomp
...
Raichu (last)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 16:54:02 No.23128404 Report

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>>23128393
I'd argue that Mewtwo gets more exposure than Garchomp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 16:57:56 No.23128438 Report

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>>23128317
the Guru literally mentions Charizard as it begins to talk about mega evolution

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 16:59:00 No.23128448 Report

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>>23128393
>charizard below blaziken

what are you smoking anon

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 17:01:32 No.23128475 Report

Quoted By: >>23128519 >>23130067

>>23128393
>Raichu (last)
I'd argue against it because Raichu is my favorite, but I can't argue against facts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 17:02:07 No.23128480 Report

Quoted By: >>23129216

>>23128317
Charizard has his own bridge in gen 5 for no good reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 17:02:10 No.23128482 Report

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>>23128393
>no Metwtwo
Trash.jpg

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 17:08:18 No.23128512 Report

Quoted By: >>23128568 >>23128771 >>23128806

>>23128317

Tier 1, THE mascot: Pikachu
Tier 2, Game Freak's Lightning: Lucario
Tier 3, Genwunners' wet dreams: Charizard, Mewtwo

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 17:09:32 No.23128519 Report

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>>23128475

Same here buddy.
Feels really bad man

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 17:11:11 No.23128528 Report

Quoted By: >>23128537 >>23128538 >>23128549

>>23128302
what pokemon is that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 17:13:06 No.23128537 Report

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>>23128528
Primal Greninja X

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 17:13:12 No.23128538 Report

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>>23128528
Delphox

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 17:15:10 No.23128549 Report

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>>23128528

It's a Lucario, which made its debut in Gen IV.
>fucking genwunners

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 17:18:20 No.23128568 Report

Quoted By: >>23128853 >>23128862 >>23128894

>>23128512
Genwunners here: Charizard might be our wet dream, but he isn't the mary sue trash that Lucario is. This is the first gen since pretty much ever that Charizard has been OU and both its megas are beatable.

Don't our dragon to GF's furry fantasy that they give all the best moves, stats, and screen time to.

>"But muh Charzerd Bridge!"
It was one name for nostalgia's sake and NPC nearby actually used a charizard. Get over it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 17:44:43 No.23128771 Report

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>>23128512
correct answer

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 17:52:57 No.23128806 Report

Quoted By: >>23129431

>>23128512
Pretty spot-on analysis.

I've rolled with Charizard since Day 1, and as others have said his merchandising blitz is recent and intense. It's definitely a case of GameFreak playing to the fans, but I don't mind it. Mewtwo is one of the other iconic Genwuns in both game and anime lore, so he gets thrown around a lot, too. I prefer Mew, but Mewtwo is still a pretty cool guy

I'm interested to see what becomes of Greninja moving forward. He's an odd case: seemingly designed for weaponised popularity like Lucario, but he started to catch on before Nintendo started to really play him up in Smash and media. Don't know how it will hold or develop, but Smash influence is powerful.

John Gamefreak

John Gamefreak Sat 28 Mar 2015 17:55:07 No.23128819 Report

Quoted By: >>23129331

>>23128302

We tried to replace him with Zoroark, but you didn't like Zoroark.

This is the future you chose. Please understand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 18:02:06 No.23128853 Report

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>>23128568
>mary sue trash
max kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 18:03:36 No.23128862 Report

Quoted By: >>23128894

>>23128568
>he isn't the mary sue trash that Lucario is.
not defending lucario at all but your pseudodragon got two megas when everything that wasnt mewtwo got one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 18:09:34 No.23128894 Report

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>>23128568
>>23128862
one of them debuting in the OVA where all but 1 of them focused on Charizard

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 19:05:25 No.23129216 Report

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>>23128480
and it doesn't even look like a fucking Charizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 19:26:18 No.23129331 Report

Quoted By: >>23129964

>>23128819

It's your own damn fault Zoroark failed.

>Event only
>Event can only be unlocked via transfer
>Transfer requires two DSs
>Transferred key Pokemon had to be held onto for months before it can be sent
>IIRC, said key Pokemon were movie distribution exclusives
>Makeup, hair highlights, painted claws, and an unnatural ponytail which accounts for most of Zoroark's volume
>Rusemaster ability... In the generation which introduced team preview.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 19:39:06 No.23129423 Report

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Pikachu
Lucario
Charizard
Mewtwo
Greninja

That'all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 19:40:14 No.23129431 Report

Quoted By: >>23129834

>>23128806
If they want Greninja to be popular with Smash Sakurai needs to stop nerfing him.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:05:43 No.23129561 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:10:32 No.23129582 Report

Quoted By: >>23130708 >>23132598

>>23129561
>Pikachu
>Lightning

Unless you put it there for pun purposes Lightnings from what I see have to be something added later on and pushed to the moon, not something pushed to the moon from the beginning.

Lightning doesn't appear until FFXIII, gets two more games the latter of which has them in the title and generally treated like the greatest thing since sliced bread, hence the name origin.

Rosalina didn't appear until Galaxy, suddenly supposed to be of main cast status, Nintendo's Lightning.

Cynthia was at risk of becoming a Lightning by appearing in ever game for two generations, but them backing away in Gen VI saved her, I think if she appeared in Gen VII it wouldn't be too bad.

Pikachu's been pushed since day one, it's no more Lightning than Mario would be Lightning. It can be annoying how much it's pushed, but that's not a Lightning scenario.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:18:04 No.23129624 Report

Quoted By: >>23129670

>>23128302
Correction, the fans like Lucario otherwise it would have been tossed aside like Zoroark.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:19:24 No.23129627 Report

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I still laugh of the fact that my two favorite boys are Pikachu and Helioptile.

Helioptile is okay in the shadows, only I like love it, but I still laugh the fact that, no matter how much they force lucario down everyone's throat, my yellow rat will always be everyone's favorite and the real star.
Even if they force and pander to Lucario, they'll always be a victim of the needing for Pikachu pandering.

Feels great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:19:25 No.23129628 Report

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>>23128317
I would say Charizard out of longevity and the fact that it's more recognizable than Lucario.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:26:54 No.23129665 Report

Quoted By: >>23129716

>>23129561
Finally an accurate representation. Many people tend to forget that the Gen Legendaries are among the most pushed mons, and also the cutesy base stage pokemon. But to be complete, this list needs Eevee and all of its evolutions.

I was never one of those who labels some pokemon as digimon-looking, but now that i see Blaziken next to the others, it keeps reminding me of a Digimon, i'm just not sure which one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:27:54 No.23129670 Report

Quoted By: >>23130734 >>23136785

>>23129624

By fans you mean 12 year olds and furries right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:28:37 No.23129676 Report

Quoted By: >>23129709 >>23129711

>Lucario will never ever be as forced as Charizard
I mean, Lucario could maybe be a close second in comparison, but come on.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:30:07 No.23129683 Report

Quoted By: >>23129720

>>23129561
No gen II/V pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:31:55 No.23129704 Report

Quoted By: >>23129738

>>23129561
Put in Jigglypuff and then it's right.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:32:56 No.23129709 Report

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>>23129676
I don't have any B8 images handy, so i'll just call you a faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:33:06 No.23129711 Report

Quoted By: >>23129715 >>23129757 >>23129790

>>23129676
Considering Lucario was forced to begin with I would say that it outclasses Charizard by a large margin whereas most people took an instant like to Charizard when they saw it on the box and anime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:34:14 No.23129715 Report

Quoted By: >>23129734

>>23129711
>whereas most people took an instant like to Charizard when they saw it on the box and anime.
LOL

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:34:23 No.23129716 Report

Quoted By: >>23130887

>>23129665
You are right. Blaziken kind of reminds me of Flamedramon from 02 and Agunimon from Frontier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:35:08 No.23129718 Report

Quoted By: >>23129756

>>23128317
Pikachu
Charizard
Mewtwo
Lucario
Blaziken

Retired or Forgotten:
Bulbasaur
Poliwhirl
Clefairy
Meowth
Jigglypuff
Squirtle
Charmander

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:35:23 No.23129720 Report

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>>23129683
My two favorite generations ;_;

I guess they won my heart without artificial pushing. Extra points for them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:35:42 No.23129722 Report

Quoted By: >>23129745 >>23129780 >>23129784 >>23130545

Mascotmon from each gen go
1: pikachu
2: Ampharos
3: Blaziken
4: lucario
5: zoroark
6: greninja

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:37:36 No.23129734 Report

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>>23129715
>implying kids didn't like fire breathing dragons in the 90s
>implying kids still don't like fire breathing dragons
There's a reason why it has a legion blithering retards as fans you know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:37:57 No.23129738 Report

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>>23129704
Jigglypuff's been demoted, man. The only reason it got so popular was because of the anime.
Sakurai saw the anime, realized Jigglypuff is round and a balloon, just like Kirby, slapped an extra pair of arms on a Kirby Polygon skeleton and made them stationary. Boom, Jigglypuff replaces Mewtwo and Meowth for Smash 64

Fast forward to Hoenn, Jigglypuff doesn't appear in the anime anymore. A Maril and Mincinno keep the 'singing puts people to sleep, puff up and cause damage' gag. Jigglypuff's last known appearance was a non-speaking role in Meloetta's Recital.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:39:35 No.23129745 Report

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>>23129722
>Ampharos in gen 2
What kind of drugs are you on?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:41:10 No.23129756 Report

Quoted By: >>23129847

>>23129718
>Poliwhirl
He used to be slapped onto every Pokemon Logo for the hell of it, wasn't he?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:41:12 No.23129757 Report

Quoted By: >>23129786 >>23129863

>>23129711
>most people took an instant like to Charizard when they saw it on the box and anime.
The biggest reason for Charizards popularity IS the anime. Its whole "edgy rebellious" phase is by far the number one reason oldfags grew up riding its dick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:44:42 No.23129780 Report

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>>23129722

>Ampharos
>mascotmon

no

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:45:11 No.23129784 Report

Quoted By: >>23129788 >>23130545

>>23129722

Zoroark is not Gen 5's mascot. It tried to be, but failed.

Gen 1: Pikachu, Charizard, Mewtwo
Gen 2: Lugia
Gen 3: Blaziken, Rayquaza
Gen 4: Lucario
Gen 5: Zekrom
Gen 6: Greninja

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:45:50 No.23129786 Report

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>>23129757
>The biggest reason for Charizards popularity IS the anime
Less so than the fact that it was a fire breathing dragon. Seriously check out the dinosaur and dragon things being produced in the 90s, there is a ridiculous amount of them.

Plus it has a fairly big following before the episode it made an appearance in came about anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:46:13 No.23129788 Report

Quoted By: >>23129813

>>23129784
>Zekrom
Dude, Gen 5's mascot, anime wise, was either Axew or Oshawott.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:46:34 No.23129790 Report

Quoted By: >>23129819

>>23129711

Lucario was a huge hit the moment people saw him in Corocoro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:48:44 No.23129804 Report

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>>23128302
they like things that make money as does any company. most kids like lucario. therefore, lucario = money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:50:07 No.23129813 Report

Quoted By: >>23129830 >>23129851

>>23129788
I'd say Oshawott edges out Axew. Oshawott was shit on by damn near everybody when it was first revealed alongside the other Unova starters. The turn around in popularity for it's been nothing short of astounding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:51:15 No.23129819 Report

Quoted By: >>23129837

>>23129790
>Lucario was a huge hit the moment people saw him in Corocoro
>being this deluded
It wasn't until the movie it became a hit because of the Batman tier backstory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:52:57 No.23129830 Report

Quoted By: >>23129839

>>23129813
Popular cute mons from the anime:
Gen 1: Pikachu of course, Meowth, the Kanto Starters, Jigglypuff, Clefairy, Eevee, Psyduck
Gen2: Togepi, Maril, Johto Starters
Gen3: Hoenn Starters, Lotad, Corphish
Gen4: Sinnoh Starters, Pacharisu, Buneary, Croagunk
Gen5: Unova Starters, Emolga, Axew, Scraggy, Pansage
Gen6: Kalos Starters, Bunnelby sort of, Dededne, Hawlucha, Pancham

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:54:34 No.23129834 Report

Quoted By: >>23129885

>>23129431
Have not played smash in awhile. What did they do to him? He was my main.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:54:57 No.23129837 Report

Quoted By: >>23129843

>>23129819

Same could be said about Mewtwo, though.

In the actual games, he was just a post-game boss that played no role in the story.

He owes his popularity to the anime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:55:21 No.23129839 Report

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>>23129830
What about Vulpix? I know Brock really didn't have any cute pokemon until Gen 3, but Vulpix was pretty cute.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:55:47 No.23129843 Report

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>>23129837
>Same could be said about Mewtwo, though.
The argument being about Charizard and Lucario rather than Lucario and Mewtwo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:56:42 No.23129847 Report

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>>23129756
He was Satoshi Tajiri's favorite. Hence why.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 20:58:12 No.23129851 Report

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>>23129813

>The turn around in popularity for it's been nothing short of astounding.

That's simply what happens when the other starters evolve into pure diarrhea. The process repeated itself in Gen 6, though it wasn't nearly as extreme and everyone with a brain already knew Froakie was #1 from the beginning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:03:52 No.23129863 Report

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>>23129757
>charizard
>edgy
Are you retarded?

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:09:31 No.23129885 Report

Quoted By: >>23129914

>>23129834
Greninja used to be able to cancel landing lag by using Shadow Sneak. Sakurai decided having anything close to L-cancelling was bad because it might give the game a skill ceiling and we know how Sakurai hates Smash requiring any skill.

Later another patch nerfed Greninja using an exploit enabling him to move faster while charging a Shadow Sneak. This one was clearly a bug so it's not that bad, but it's not like Sakurai gave him any compensation for it, so Shadow Sneak lost a lot of functionality as a move.

>Sakurai once said Greninja was going to be the sophisticated and hard to use character
>nerfs every Melee-esque technique people learn with him

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:09:35 No.23129886 Report

Quoted By: >>23129924 >>23136620

>>23129561

I don't think you understand what "Lighting" means

Lightning is infamous because Square-Enix pushes her even though nobody actually likes her. Another example is this is Marie from Persona

All of the Pokemon in that picture are well-liked by Pokemon fans

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:14:13 No.23129914 Report

Quoted By: >>23129923 >>23129928

>>23129885
Melee exploits weren't meant to be there and Sakurai constantly berates himself for the hateful community that was created because of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:16:41 No.23129923 Report

Quoted By: >>23129936 >>23129941

>>23129914
>hateful

Smash 4's community is just as hateful as Melee's, shit like "learn2adapt" and "you just can't git gud without glitches." I don't see how Sakurai's decisions are helping anything given there are awful people in every game's fanbase. Except maybe Smash 64, most of the people who still play that seem like bros, makes me want to take up the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:17:02 No.23129924 Report

Quoted By: >>23129935

>>23129886
Like Zoroark during gen 5?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:17:43 No.23129928 Report

Quoted By: >>23129934

>>23129914

>hateful community

You mean the vocal minority that every fanbase ever has?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:18:58 No.23129934 Report

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>>23129928
In Smash's case, that vocal minority is the vocal majority.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:19:01 No.23129935 Report

Quoted By: >>23129945

>>23129924

Yes, Zoroark fits the bill perfectly.

Or, at least, it would if they had kept pushing it.

Once they realized that nobody cared about it, they gave up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:19:25 No.23129936 Report

Quoted By: >>23129952

>>23129923
Smash64 players are only cool because the vast majority play it casually. "Good" players sucks, because they can trap you into an instant kill combo that you can't do anything to stop outside of just not getting hit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:21:07 No.23129941 Report

Quoted By: >>23129952

>>23129923
There's a difference between shitposters and a genuinely hateful community that take winning way to seriously you know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:22:32 No.23129945 Report

Quoted By: >>23129948

>>23129935
can't believe they wasted a movie on that piece of crap. they did with lucario to. both movies sucked hard.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:23:05 No.23129948 Report

Quoted By: >>23129953

>>23129945

>implying Lucario's movie isn't the best one

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:23:36 No.23129951 Report

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IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A JASMINE CAMEO AND MEGA AMPHAROS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:23:37 No.23129952 Report

Quoted By: >>23129954

>>23129936
I've played with people who've done that to me, they aren't hateful either, I don't see them putting down Melee or Smash 4 or whichever game.

>>23129941
There are people who sincerely think Smash 4 is better than Melee and act like dicks over it, it's not all shitposters. Not everyone who likes the faster pace of Melee is a "winning > fun" person either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:24:01 No.23129953 Report

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>>23129948
>implying MY MASTER IS DEAAAD is good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:25:02 No.23129954 Report

Quoted By: >>23129956

>>23129952
>There are people who sincerely think Smash 4 is better than Melee and act like dicks over it, it's not all shitposters.
Literally no one.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:26:25 No.23129956 Report

Quoted By: >>23129959

>>23129954
Now I'm believing you're a shitposter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:27:15 No.23129959 Report

Quoted By: >>23130066

>>23129956
Says you who honestly believes that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:28:38 No.23129964 Report

Quoted By: >>23130033

>>23129331
You forgot awful, awful stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:42:39 No.23130033 Report

Quoted By: >>23130053

>>23129964

It doesn't even have awful stats though.

>Base 105 Attack
>Base 120 Special Attack
>Base 105 Speed

Only problem is that it's frail, but it's a sweeper, so of course it is.

Its only true problem is that it's a pure Dark-type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:46:16 No.23130053 Report

Quoted By: >>23131348

>>23130033
Yes, it's frail. Exactly.

Its ability is based around tricking people into using the wrong type against it.
But without decent defenses, that means jack shit. It's OHKO'd by just about everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:49:23 No.23130066 Report

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>>23129959
Yes, I believe that Smash 4's community isn't the type of perfect harmonious choir you're making it out to be. There are dicks, there are people that will shit on Melee while praising their own game, people acting like horrible sports, you want to see someone who hates fun and only cares about winning? Just watch anyone who plays Rosalina, stally cheap piece of shit.

Smash 4 has just as bad a fanbase as Melee or pretty much any Smash game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 21:49:32 No.23130067 Report

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>>23128475
Raichu isn't my favorite because ampharos exists, but damn it it deserves more love!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 22:01:32 No.23130146 Report

Quoted By: >>23130206

>>23129561
>tfw your team is Charizard, Lucario, Greninja, Gardevoir, Garchomp, and Raichu

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 22:09:48 No.23130206 Report

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>>23130146
>tfw also used Gardevoir, Greninja, and Raichu in Y

Honestly I don't know how Gardevoir is a Lightning in that image either. I mean she's Diantha's ace, but it's not like Megagarde is OP and I don't see Gardevoir getting much attention other than being an NPC's ace, which it's not like Gyarados is a Lightning for being Lysandre's ace.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 22:27:13 No.23130316 Report

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>>23129216
If you linger around the bridge, you can hear Charizard's cry!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:01:43 No.23130545 Report

Quoted By: >>23131510

>>23129722
>>23129784
>gen 2
>not marill

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:23:05 No.23130708 Report

Quoted By: >>23130756 >>23132367

>>23129582
>implying people dont like Rosalina
Nice design, cool hub world/space rocket, cosmic theme in general rather than just "royalty", cute "underlings", helps Mario get to final level, present the entire time at the front of the hub world, and unlockable cutscenes with the sweet story book. Also nice to have a new character in the spin-off games like Mario Kart who isn't a regular enemy like Lakitu or a clone character like Daisy.

She was hardly pushed, not in the way Lightning and Lucario have where they've played the lead roles rather than late-game unlockables.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:25:52 No.23130734 Report

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>>23129670
>you mean Pokemon's biggest audience
Yes, and?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:28:03 No.23130756 Report

Quoted By: >>23130765 >>23130819

>>23130708
>playable in SM3DW
>playable in Smash 4
>Baby Rosalina in MK8

She's being pushed like hell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:29:24 No.23130765 Report

Quoted By: >>23130784

>>23130756
It's not pushing if the majority want it you know.
In that case it's pandering.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:31:43 No.23130784 Report

Quoted By: >>23130839 >>23130848 >>23137088

>>23130765
And the majority want Lucario too, so what the fuck are you on about? How is wanting one shitty fucking character a Lightning when another isn't? At least playing against a Lucario in Smash can be enjoyable and they don't fucking camp the entire fucking game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:35:43 No.23130819 Report

Quoted By: >>23130846

>>23130756
>3 whole other appearances
>Secret unlockable character in those games
>"pushed"
I dont think you truly understand what the term means. If you were forced to use her instead of Mario, then sure. Luigi got his own game with the gimmick that "its Luigi's turn, no Mario in this one". They even had a whole year devoted to him. There were secret NES Luigis in SM3DW hidden everywhere; not the whole cast, just him.
People clearly reacted to her positively (probably because they didnt make her get kidnapped like Peach and Daisy) so they're making her a regular, which is the obvious choice.
Lucario is liked, but pushed; shit like the statue in X/Y, being given one, the 1 on 1 Mega Lucario fight, its own movie, it being the first character shown in Pokken.
Lightning isn't as well liked, but got her own game and appeared in Dissidia as the sole 13 rep. Thats what makes a Lightning, not "a new character appearing in the games".

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:38:03 No.23130839 Report

Quoted By: >>23130848

>>23130784
you wanted Daisy in Smash, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:39:09 No.23130846 Report

Quoted By: >>23130858 >>23130878 >>23130945

>>23130819
Lucario is the second- or third-most popular character in Pokémon, he won the fighting type poll, what makes him pushed but somehow fucking Space Peach isn't pushed? Lucario gets all that shit because kids eat it up, yt somehow he's more of a lightning than the one who gets a fucking Smash Bros. slot over any of the cut veterans?

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:39:14 No.23130848 Report

Quoted By:

>>23130784
>>23130839
I think he's basing his entire preference of this character off of online Sm4sh fights and the salt-mines that is /ssbg/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:41:01 No.23130858 Report

Quoted By: >>23130868 >>23130894

>>23130846
>was a star character in a widely successful game
>is relevant
>w-why is she in and not muh Lucas from the GBA game that sold poorly?
Maybe when the Ice Climbers get rebooted by Sakurai, then they'll return.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:42:59 No.23130868 Report

Quoted By: >>23130888 >>23130899

>>23130858
>he supports Dark Pit

I really shouldn't even bother arguing here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:44:50 No.23130878 Report

Quoted By: >>23130932

>>23130846
Lucario is a brooding, speaking, fighting metal-wolf with spikes and a blue 'n' black color scheme that is more like an individual compared to the wild animals that every other pokemon is like. Even legendaries are more beast-like than it.
It doesn't fit Pokemon, thats why people gnash their teeth when its pushed.
Rosalina is pretty typical a Mario character. clean design, no angst or overly complicated character, only powers are the star-spin (basically a flashy version of Mario's spin from World for the SNES)

Rosalina feels like a natural edition whereas Lucario is Poochy in Neopets.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:46:14 No.23130887 Report

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>>23129716
>not garudamon

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:46:15 No.23130888 Report

Quoted By: >>23130932

>>23130868
>implying
Just because I think Mac, Rosalina, Pac, Robin, Shulk and DHD are great additions doesn't mean I approve of the clone trio.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:47:02 No.23130894 Report

Quoted By: >>23130909

>>23130858

Ice Climbers being cut had nothing to do with their relevancy, it was because the 3DS couldn't handle them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:47:54 No.23130899 Report

Quoted By: >>23130932 >>23131413

>>23130868
Why does /vp/ have the worst argumentative skills on the net?
>if you dont like eating meat, then SURELY you support PETA, right?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:49:07 No.23130909 Report

Quoted By:

>>23130894
True, but I cant imagine having only 1 game ever since the 80's help them anyhow. Olimar's Pikmin were simplified, at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:52:34 No.23130932 Report

Quoted By: >>23130982 >>23131042

>>23130878
I'll take Lucario over her any day.

>brooding
One Lucario is brooding, the one in in the movie.

>speaking
Is Slowking a Lightning?

>fighting metal wolf
The Steel-type doesn't really make sense but it's not like every typing makes sense, don't know why people harp on that so much and never harp as much about how Mawile is a Fairy or how Goomy is pure Dragon.

The color scheme isn't even edgy, and some Legendaries are beastlike while others are intelligent.

I don't like Lucario that much, but I don't see how it's not fitting. We've had intelligent Pokémon, we've had spiky Pokémon, I don't know how the combination amkes it unfitting.

>>23130888
Why do you think DHD is a great addition? How relevant is he? I love DHD and main him but I have to point out the hypocrisy.

>>23130899
He specifically brought up Sakurai's Kid Icarus favoritism for getting rebooted by Sakurai.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:53:45 No.23130945 Report

Quoted By: >>23130957 >>23130978

>>23130846
>Lucario is the second- or third-most popular character in Pokémon
>second or third most
>not even first
And yet appears everywhere; first to get Mega Evo, always the players first Mega, gets the statue, first character in Pokken, got a film during gen 3, online poll was scrapped when it lost etc etc.
Its not the favourite, yet its pushed.
Rosalina is popular enough, so she is available in recent mario games as an optional choice, usually available late game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:55:08 No.23130957 Report

Quoted By: >>23131066 >>23131256

>>23130945
>online poll was scrapped when it lost etc

Prove it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:57:51 No.23130978 Report

Quoted By: >>23131066 >>23131095

>>23130945
>first to get Mega Evo
That was Mewtwo.

>players first Mega
Does every player catch a Ralts? Because that's the same scripted battle as the Lucario fight. You don't even have to take it, while you have to take the Kanto starter that has a Mega stone.

>gets the statue
Who cares?

>got a film
Charizard came back for an entire season in Unova and Pikachu gets to be the main Pokémon of the entire anime. One movie isn't as much as those things.

>Pokken
It's a fighting game, Lucario is the most popular fighting type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Mar 2015 23:58:29 No.23130982 Report

Quoted By: >>23131006

>>23130932
>Sakurai's Kid Icarus favoritism
Palutena and Pitoo in smash are bullshit, but the point I was saying was that they're relevant; they had a recent game, even an updated image. They became popular, theres even that japanese magazine that had a poll for the most wanted Sm4sh newcomer and Dark Pit was about 2nd.

Lucas was added cause Mother 3 was the most recent addition. It didnt peform well, but was recent. By the next smash, he was completely un-relevant and the poor sales meant that he must've not been that desired to appear in the game by fans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:01:51 No.23131006 Report

Quoted By: >>23131078

>>23130982
>he must've not been that desired to appear in the game by fans.

Is that why Japanese polls had more people want him as DLC than Mewtwo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:05:03 No.23131042 Report

Quoted By:

>>23130932
>Why do you think DHD is a great addition?
Fun playstyle and tons of character.
As for relevancy, he's a fan-favourite of sorts online, lots of nostalgia for Duck Hunt and his cheeky bastard grin is an iconic image.
>ever harp as much about how Mawile is a Fairy or how Goomy is pure Dragon.
but they do, threads about such usually get pruned cause Goo.dra is f-male and Mawile just doesn't come up on our radar that much; no films or events or OU menace or such, so we dont hear it as much as Lucario.
>speaking
>Is Slowking a Lightning?
Of course not, and neither is Meowth. Speaking, combined with its other qualities, make Lucario the typical cool character kids love. Meowth is wise cracking and Slowking appear in one film and was a dopey old man, essentially.
>brooding
>One Lucario is brooding, the one in in the movie.
Its perpetually scowling like Ryu in all appearances.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:08:37 No.23131066 Report

Quoted By: >>23131104

>>23130957
where you not there for that? We had threads for days.
>>23130978
in game lore says Lucario, I meant.
And the first possible time you can Mega a pokemon is with the Lucariol; you dont have to, like I did, but you get knocked out almost immediately.
>gets the statue
>Who cares?
What kind of argument is that? Clearly lots of people, as we bring it up as an example of its pushing. A whole tower devoted to it, in a later gen - thats some serious dick sucking.
>It's a fighting game, Lucario is the most popular fighting type.
So says gamefreak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:10:09 No.23131078 Report

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>>23131006
I imagine there was a louder crowd in USA and Europe who wanted Mewtwo as a regular character, rather than DLC which implies "eh no rush, we'll wait and pay later".

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:12:58 No.23131095 Report

Quoted By: >>23131124 >>23131156

>>23130978
fu pikachu

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:14:03 No.23131104 Report

Quoted By: >>23131180

>>23131066
>Rosalina is one of the most popular Mario characters

So says Nintendo.

I mean can you show how Rosalina is more popular than, say, Wario to get in SM3DW? Or Rosalina being so popular she gets TWO slots in MK8?

>Clearly lots of people, as we bring it up as an example of its pushing.

And how is that an argument when people complain about Rosalina but all of them get brushed aside as "butthurt salty Daisyfag/Waluigifag/[character wanted in Smash]fag?" Maybe the people that complain about Lucario are just upset that their shitmon doesn't get in.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:16:36 No.23131124 Report

Quoted By:

>>23131095
Pokemon get angry sometimes. They act according to the series, making it seem more comical or less, but always keeping it inside the light hearted ambience of the series.

Lucario decided that's not hardcore enough and went full Naruto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:21:27 No.23131156 Report

Quoted By: >>23131199

>>23131095
Lucario seriously doesn't feel like a pokemon to me in this scene; its like some character from an anime about He-man style furries, and this is a commercial for its 3rd party appearance in Smash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:26:05 No.23131180 Report

Quoted By: >>23131202

>>23131104
Wario is evil, gross and drawn to be unpleasant and foul; he wouldn't fit the sparkly, pristine appearance of 3D World, nor would he be a good guy.
Those people who say "butthurt Daisyfags" are just trolls in /ssbg/ who never discuss anything, pay them no mind. There are reasons Rosalina was picked over Daisy but by now its tiring reiterating them when the same people ask the same question and say the same, incorrect accusation of "Lighting".

>Lucario are just upset that their shitmon doesn't get in.
I doubt it; I'd rather no-one fill Lucario's roster slot than him be in it at all. Anyone who wants their bro is setting them self up for disappointment from the start.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:28:08 No.23131199 Report

Quoted By: >>23131254

>>23131156
This I think is one of the biggest flaws of Lucario. He doesn't even feel like a pokemon. It's a bipedal, humanoid, furry character that talks, has pseudo-psychic powers without needing to give up it's physical strength and prowess and who is revered everywhere as the ultimate hero. It's like one of those 8-bit deviant art comics where a sonic character with amazing powers gets dropped into a setting it doesn't fit into and everyone absolutely loves him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:28:21 No.23131202 Report

Quoted By: >>23131286

>>23131180
>Wario is evil, gross and drawn to be unpleasant and foul; he wouldn't fit the sparkly, pristine appearance of 3D World, nor would he be a good guy.

I honestly disagree. I mean Wario's appearances in things like Warioware are plenty disgusting but they could dial him back to Super Mario Land 3/Wario Land 1's tone. They got him to work in SM64DS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:34:08 No.23131254 Report

Quoted By:

>>23131199
>It's like one of those 8-bit deviant art comics where a sonic character with amazing powers gets dropped into a setting it doesn't fit into and everyone absolutely loves him.
A Gary Stu, exactly.
>inb4 Lucario defenders come to the rescue
Its fine to like him but you should understand the flak it receives by now, right?

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:34:21 No.23131256 Report

Quoted By: >>23131266

>>23130957

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:35:53 No.23131266 Report

Quoted By: >>23131365

>>23131256
You know, how come people didn't bomb the poll a second time? I know that footfag was doing it, which meant it was possible.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:38:10 No.23131286 Report

Quoted By: >>23131318 >>23131353

>>23131202
I wish they'd stick with his Shake It design. Its whenever they show his fat rolls spilling out of his overalls that always gets to me.
If they emphasised his burly aspects, make him chunkier rather than flabby, he'd fit right in I'd imagine.
I actually want a 3D World sequel with Wario, Daisy and DK as characters Waluigi is the secret final boss

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:43:33 No.23131318 Report

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>>23131286
>Its whenever they show his fat rolls spilling out of his overalls that always gets to me.
That's Wario though, only his arms are really burly everything else is fat.
He's literally the embodiment of everyday is arm day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:48:28 No.23131348 Report

Quoted By:

>>23130053
team preview also ruined it

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:48:46 No.23131353 Report

Quoted By:

>>23131286
That design is perfect, that would be the one I would want them to use for a game like 3D World.

I want a Wario Bros. game where Wario and Waluigi are both playable. Maybe make it so they're rescuing Daisy -- Wario wants a reward from her, Waluigi wants to win over Daisy by saving her. Make their gameplay differences an exaggerated version of Mario and Luigi's physics differences; Wario has his low jump height and tight control from his games (plus his strength of course), while Waluigi is springy and slippery. Levels are designed like Sonic 3&K where each character has different paths they can take due to their gameplay differences

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:50:39 No.23131365 Report

Quoted By: >>23131387 >>23131396

>>23131266
The footfag was using so much bot it was literally impossible to fight against it. I managed to pop in about 80 votes in a day it only changed 1%. The footfag made lucario lose initially but he was a false prophet

pic related is from the first round

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:52:51 No.23131387 Report

Quoted By:

>>23131365
I'm proud of you Toxicroak.

I'm proud of you bro ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:53:07 No.23131396 Report

Quoted By: >>23131429 >>23131468

>>23131365
Was he explicitly voting FOR Lucario in rounds after that? If he was then I can see how he turned on us, but if he was leaving them alone someone could've done knocked it out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:55:08 No.23131413 Report

Quoted By:

>>23130899
Vegetarians are shitty people,
even if they don't support PETA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 00:57:21 No.23131429 Report

Quoted By: >>23131479

>>23131396
he "hostaged" certain pokemon to lose such as Machamp unless people posted feet fetish fuel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 01:02:34 No.23131468 Report

Quoted By:

>>23131396
https://archive.moe/vp/thread/20767379/
heracross also lost against hitmontop for some reason because feet

https://archive.moe/vp/thread/20766156/
more proof toxicroak was rightful winner of round 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 01:03:48 No.23131479 Report

Quoted By:

>>23131429
Huh, he could've just said he'll vote against Lucario for it and everyone would've won. Did he disappear at the end? Why didn't he hostage the not-Lucario finalist (or did he and people just refused to play his game)?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 01:07:59 No.23131510 Report

Quoted By:

>>23130545
>not togepi

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 03:33:22 No.23132367 Report

Quoted By:

>>23130708
>cool hub world/space rocket
oh Hell no. I can never replay SMG1 again because trekking around that hub was some rancid shit. How they went from Delphino Isle's super fun hub to this defies all explanation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 04:01:01 No.23132598 Report

Quoted By: >>23133288 >>23133952

>>23129582
>Lightning doesn't appear until FFXIII, gets two more games the latter of which has them in the title and generally treated like the greatest thing since sliced bread

Reminds me of a certain crow from 2hu.
>First appears in a vs shooter, the second one of its kind in a franchise spanning a decade and over 10 games; Only character besides the penult and final bosses unique to this game
>Touhou 9.5 is all about her, the recurring MCs in every single game dont even so much as appear, even as their boss forms from previous games
>Shows up as a boss in TH10; Normally a touhou character is a boss /before/ becoming playable; Rin Satsuki was possibly scrapped simply because she hadnt appeared prior to planned playable appearance
>Playable weapon-type in TH 11
>TH12.5 is all about her. Again.
There's a reason she was known as ZUN's Girlfriend for a long ass time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:02:10 No.23133257 Report

Quoted By:

>>23129561
Add whatever the latest Pikaclone is and you've got it.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:09:47 No.23133288 Report

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>>23132598
fuck off nerd

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 08:51:52 No.23133952 Report

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>>23132598
Hey now, do not talk shit about Aya.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 19:32:14 No.23136620 Report

Quoted By:

>>23129886
But that's not true. I love Lightning, she's my favorite FF character and many people feel like me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 19:45:38 No.23136692 Report

Quoted By:

>>23128302
I don't mind Lucario, but he's shoved into so much that it gets old fast. Pikachu doesn't even get this much attention in the games.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 19:52:10 No.23136727 Report

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I hate Lucario's spikes and how much of a mess the color scheme is. That's it.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 19:58:29 No.23136785 Report

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>>23129670
>M-Maybe if I force this meme I'll be cool too!
>Only edgy-fedora wearers and Furries could possibly like a pokemon!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 20:03:55 No.23136837 Report

Quoted By:

I have some real issues with Mega Lucario. They push the shitty spikes that have no point to them in the first place just to look cool and they don't make Lucario more like a fox or wolf like it's supposed to be. I like Lucario, but both it and its Mega almost look like Digimon.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 20:34:38 No.23137088 Report

Quoted By:

>>23130784
>aura

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