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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 02:27:23 No.23131936 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>23132144 >>23132894 >>23132949

ITT: We try to balance the metagame

Desolate Land: Water attacks' power is reduced to 1/3 its original power
Delta Stream: Allies' speed are 1.1x the original and opponents' accuracy is reduced to 0.9x
Mega Salamence gets Mold Breaker instead
Mega Rayquaza now needs to hold a green orb and have Dragon Ascent to mega

R8 and H8

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 02:35:00 No.23131979 Report

Quoted By: >>23132912

Cloud Nine removes weather from the field instead of just negating its effects

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 02:43:21 No.23132031 Report

Quoted By: >>23132747

all -iate abilities now remove the boost

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 02:46:29 No.23132040 Report

Quoted By: >>23132050

OP is very clearly an ass blasted kyogre fag who's jelly the whale isn't king anymore.
B T F O

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 02:48:31 No.23132050 Report

Quoted By: >>23132096

>>23132040
No the ability is just OP. Notice that I made it 1/3 so water attacks are only 4/3 power. Not even a super effective. Typical Groudon Fag.

Kygore was never king

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 02:51:25 No.23132064 Report

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Hail- All ice-types' speed is now 1.3x and their evasion is 1.1x

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 02:54:45 No.23132096 Report

Quoted By: >>23132117

>>23132050
Not being a fire type with drought was worse than your whale being unable to deal with groudon. Deal with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 02:59:42 No.23132117 Report

Quoted By: >>23132990 >>23135385

>>23132096
:^) typical groundon fag.

And I found it strange that the king of continents and land is only weak against ground.
When Primordial Sea activates last yes Kygore can deal with Groudon

Moves Kygore can use against Groudon:
Earth power
Earthquake
Ice Beam

and really desolate Land is OP.
notice that I nerfed delta stream and no one is crying about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 03:03:38 No.23132144 Report

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>>23131936
>jade orb
FTFY

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 03:08:43 No.23132170 Report

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Leaf guard now adds a 6% health recovery per turn in sun and gives immunity to taunt and torment if it didn't already

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 04:20:50 No.23132747 Report

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>>23132031
I can get behind this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 04:48:32 No.23132894 Report

Quoted By: >>23132927

>>23131936
The whole point of Mega Ray is that it is basically achieved through prayer, not by being required to hold a mega stone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 04:51:23 No.23132912 Report

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>>23131979
At that point there's little reason to use normal moves with iate abilities, as most other STAB options are better. A damage reduction to x1.1 would be fair.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 04:54:48 No.23132927 Report

Quoted By: >>23133342

>>23132894

That's just a load of Draconid bullshit. It converts swallowed meteorites into internal mega stones using its mikado organ, then mega evolves normally in response to a human's key stone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 04:59:50 No.23132949 Report

Quoted By: >>23132961 >>23132994

>>23131936
shit / 10
shit / 10
no. Fuck you.
NO. FUCK YOU.

Mega Lucario gets Aura Mastery
By mastering one's aura, its attack does more damage and accuracy while also able to read attacks, greatly increasing its evasiveness.
> STAB does 3x Damage
> Accuracy +30%
> Evasion +50%

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 05:03:52 No.23132961 Report

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>>23132949
> inb4 Accuracy when it has CC, Aura Sphere and Bullet Punch:

In case it wants to use the stronger Iron Tail / Focus Blast / HJK that will never miss.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 05:09:04 No.23132990 Report

Quoted By: >>23133002

>>23132117
Kyogre can't learn Earth Power

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 05:09:47 No.23132994 Report

Quoted By: >>23133036

>>23132949
bait/10

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 05:11:13 No.23133002 Report

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>>23132990
damn it forgot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 05:17:13 No.23133036 Report

Quoted By: >>23133150

>>23132994
No, I'm just pissed off OP even suggest a shitty nerf to the weather legends.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 05:35:20 No.23133150 Report

Quoted By: >>23133165

>>23133036
BALANCE

Heard of it?

It's nerfed because they are OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 05:38:53 No.23133165 Report

Quoted By: >>23133178 >>23133209 >>23133235 >>23133355

>>23133150
Balance, yes.

Not make it shitty. They're legendaries, they don't need to lower themselves into the realms of commoners. If you want balance, go balance stuff like:
- Parental Bond
- Gale Wings
- Moody
- Shadow Tag
- Huge / Pure Power

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 05:41:58 No.23133178 Report

Quoted By: >>23133216

>>23133165
Mega Rayquaza is beyond legend
Groudon is above king in Ubers
And those abilities are still viable. Evasion + Speed boost and very heavy water nerf does not make those mons shitty

All becuase of their abilities (besides ray who is just broken)

all those abilities you listed are alright as they are given to shitty pokémon.
Good abilities+good mons=broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 05:43:03 No.23133185 Report

Quoted By: >>23133191 >>23133216 >>23133361

>Normal takes neutral damage from everything and does neutral damage to everything
>the increase in stats from mega evolving varies from pokemon to pokemon, depending on what ability/type change the mega gets
>Scald burn chance is lowered
>Ice resists Flying
>Psychic resists Fairy and is se against it
>Rock resists something, maybe Ice
>Ghost no longer resists Bug

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 05:44:17 No.23133191 Report

Quoted By: >>23133222

>>23133185
wanting mega kangaskan to be more borken

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 05:49:23 No.23133209 Report

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>>23133165
maybe I forgot to state that sun still exists in desolate land

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 05:50:42 No.23133216 Report

Quoted By: >>23133222 >>23133235

>>23133178
> Parental Bond
> not broken
>>23133185 see what happens?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 05:52:37 No.23133222 Report

Quoted By: >>23133239

>>23133191
>>23133216

Then nerf Parental Bond or something. Don't hold hundreds of Pokemon back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 05:55:17 No.23133235 Report

Quoted By: >>23133303

>>23133216
If you are the same person in >>23133165
, can you explain why you think I am making the weather trio bad.

And kangaskan is actually a shitmon before mega

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 05:56:28 No.23133239 Report

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>>23133222
K. Parental Bond- Attacks Twice. Secondary effects do not happen on the second hit. Second hit does 0.3x damage.

Happy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 05:58:51 No.23133246 Report

Quoted By: >>23133250

The meta is fine as it is, guys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 05:59:44 No.23133250 Report

Quoted By: >>23133275 >>23133309

>>23133246
>rayquaza
>fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:07:07 No.23133275 Report

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>>23133250
Yes, it was an inevitability that we would get something as powerful as Mega Rayquaza. In 1-2 games time there will probably be something nearing or even surpassing it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:12:31 No.23133303 Report

Quoted By: >>23133324 >>23133367 >>23133378

>>23133235
Like I said, they're legendary pokemon, that's why they don't need any nerf to make them weaker.

The point is to make them far too strong for the meta so that's the reason they, along with super legends like Dialga or Mewtwo, are banned from competitive gameplay.

The one's that needs to be nerfed are those who are not legends but is stronger than them, like Blaziken or Talonflame

> Gale Wings
Only works when its speed stat is above 350 (fitting too, since it needs speed)
> Parental Bonds
First attack does half damage, second attack does the same as the first (so it's like Dragon Claw => Dual Chop)
> Huge Power
1,5 times attack, not 2
> Shadow Tag
In doubles, only traps the pokemon directly in front of it.

Kinda like this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:14:18 No.23133309 Report

Quoted By: >>23133325 >>23133444

>>23133250
>Making Psychic Useless
>Nerfing Steel
>Creating a fuckton of uber tier statwise mega evolutions that blew everything out of water making already broken pokemon like Blaziken and Garchomp into absolute monsters and to top it off they gave fucking Gengar Shadow Tag.
>Nerfing weather
>Shitty useless terrain attacks
>Nerfing the use of Subs since Boomburst or Hyper Voice can bypass them
>Nerfing Steel by removing its Dark and Ghost resistance
>OH THE METAGAME IS JUST FINE GUYS

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:17:47 No.23133324 Report

Quoted By: >>23133326 >>23133346

>>23133303
Legendary pokémon does not make it an excuse for them to be broken. Do you even play competitive. Why are you crying when "No talonflame surpassed my fave legend :(((". You are sounding like an extremely butthurt legendfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:18:40 No.23133325 Report

Quoted By: >>23133332

>>23133309
>nerfing steel

oh, boohoo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:18:47 No.23133326 Report

Quoted By:

>>23133324
Furthermore, I am not just talking about VCG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:20:15 No.23133332 Report

Quoted By: >>23133428

>>23133325
Steel is supposed to be the ultimate defensive typing thats why it had shit offensive coverage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:24:15 No.23133342 Report

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>>23132927
okay, but since the megastone is INSIDE him he's still not holding it.

new meta: eat your megastones!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:25:31 No.23133346 Report

Quoted By: >>23133354

>>23133324
> Legendary pokémon does not make it an excuse for them to be broken.
Why? They're legendaries. They deserve to be broken. I mean, would you force a King to step down from his throne and be like an ordinary citizen?
> Do you even play competitive.
Duh
> Why are you crying when "No talonflame surpassed my fave legend :(((". You are sounding like an extremely butthurt legendfag
I never use super legends in competitive, and honestly most of them should be able to take on Talonflame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:27:35 No.23133354 Report

Quoted By: >>23133363

>>23133346
>Why? They deserve to be broken.

Why are you in this thread where we try to balance. I never said that they could not take on Brave Bird. I I just said Talonflame might have some more viability over certain legends

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:27:44 No.23133355 Report

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>>23133165
shadow tag is balanced as is. they just gave it to things that shouldn't ever have it, like megagengar.

Shadow Tag wasn't a problem on just wobuffet. it was what made him usable. Even when gothitelle got it it wasn't a problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:29:04 No.23133361 Report

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>>23133185
>wanting psychic to be undefeatable king again

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:29:44 No.23133363 Report

Quoted By: >>23133375

>>23133354
I'm telling you to NOT balance a legendary, because it would make them pointless, it would make them seem like "stronger than average mons", not legendary in a literal sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:30:26 No.23133367 Report

Quoted By: >>23133397

>>23133303
> Huge Power
>1,5 times attack, not 2

NOPE. Fuck you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:31:35 No.23133375 Report

Quoted By: >>23133393

>>23133363
>telling people not to balance OP stuff in a balance thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:31:55 No.23133378 Report

Quoted By: >>23133387

>>23133303
> Gale Wings
>Only works when its speed stat is above 350

So, when you'd likely already have priority, it assures it. Otherwise it doesn't kick in.

I'm okay with that. Kind of like auto-confirming your crits in dnd. Nice ability. not broken.
Only for initiative.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:33:48 No.23133387 Report

Quoted By: >>23133395

>>23133378
Also it kinda forces 252 speed EV on Talonflame since its max speed with Adamant is 351

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:35:04 No.23133393 Report

Quoted By: >>23133404

>>23133375
No, not OP stuff. Just legendaries. Leave them alone, stop doggin' them around

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:35:12 No.23133395 Report

Quoted By: >>23133407

>>23133387
which is the standard set unless you run bulkflame

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:35:48 No.23133397 Report

Quoted By: >>23133423

>>23133367
That's not so much balancing as it is making everything with Huge Power unnecessarily worse. I'll be the one to say they should have went with something else for Mega Mawile though.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:37:54 No.23133404 Report

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>>23133393

Le-legends have to be broken righ-right guys?
If not it wou-wouldn't be right like not proud-of-its-power Lucario right guys?

>confirmed legendfag
>confirmed autistic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:38:43 No.23133407 Report

Quoted By: >>23133414

>>23133395
Don't people usually run Bulky Talonflame since it has priority in Gale Wings?

Like, 182 HP / 252 ATK / 76 SPE

Just enough to outspeed 90 base speed mons that are weak to fire like Lucario

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:40:07 No.23133414 Report

Quoted By:

>>23133407
I run max speed to outspeed other flames and to assure that you will outspeed mega pinsir

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:43:01 No.23133423 Report

Quoted By: >>23133479

>>23133397
Yeah, something like Tough Claws would've been fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:44:25 No.23133428 Report

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>>23133332
>it's okay for it to resist almost every other type, it's only super effective against 3 types!

Yeah nah, fuck Steel. Being super-effective against "only" three types is the average anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:45:51 No.23133436 Report

Quoted By: >>23133440 >>23133461 >>23133466

You guys are autist how dont realize Gale Wings is only an issue due to the existence of Brave Bird.Remove Brave Bird and Smogon Bird is finished.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:47:32 No.23133440 Report

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>>23133436
>Brave Bird is patched out
>uproar
>Braver Bird replaces it
yeah nice going

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:48:23 No.23133444 Report

Quoted By: >>23133448

>>23133309
Steel is fine. The only ones who were affected were those who are part Psychic, but that's because Psychic is shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:50:13 No.23133448 Report

Quoted By: >>23133476

>>23133444
Psychic needs to reclaim its former glory and be supereffective on Fairies and resist fairies to make them more useful you assswallowing piece of shit!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:52:32 No.23133461 Report

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>>23133436
Acrobatics are scarier now that it doesn't have recoil.

> Put on Focus Sash on Talon
> Swords Dance
> Get hit, FS disappears
> Acrobatics 110 BP +2
> No fucking recoil

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:53:12 No.23133466 Report

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>>23133436

The problem, if any, is that Flying is a really good attacking type. TF's attack stat is shit and most of its BST is pumped into Speed. Plus it's 4x weak to Hidden Missiles.

When GF does the inevitable and gives it to something that isn't a shitmon otherwise it'll become a big issue though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:55:19 No.23133476 Report

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>>23133448
Hey don't call me that, that's r-rude.

But I agree, Psychic does need something like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:56:07 No.23133479 Report

Quoted By: >>23133489

>>23133423
it doesn't even have claws. it has a giant pair of mouths.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 06:59:34 No.23133489 Report

Quoted By: >>23133514

>>23133479
Yeah, I said 'something' like Tough Claws, as in a similar ability but with another name.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 07:03:53 No.23133508 Report

Quoted By: >>23133519 >>23133545

Psychic is neutral to steel
Psychic is Super effect against Ghost(still weak against)
Bug,Fairy now resist psychic

psychic resist poison,rock,normal,Fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 07:06:15 No.23133514 Report

Quoted By: >>23133545

>>23133489
strong jaw?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 07:06:48 No.23133519 Report

Quoted By: >>23133534 >>23133545

>>23133508
But Ghost already fucks up Psychics shit so this doesnt make any sense.

Psychic having coverage:
Fairy
Poison
Fighting

would make it more offensively viable

Where as having the following resistances:
Psychic
Poison
Fighting
Fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 07:10:25 No.23133534 Report

Quoted By: >>23133544

>>23133519
but psionics always lose to magic users. power points can't keep up with spell slots, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 07:12:28 No.23133544 Report

Quoted By: >>23133576

>>23133534
Who gives a shit 2/3rds of the type effectiveness dont make any completely logical sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 07:12:35 No.23133545 Report

Quoted By: >>23133553

>>23133514
Nah, that one's too limited. That wouldn't balance Mawile, it would just make it mediocre.

>>23133508
>Fairy now resist psychic
Are you insane?

>>23133519
Remove that Poison resistance and it's perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 07:13:08 No.23133549 Report

Quoted By: >>23133569

Would it do any good if double type weaknesses were 3x damage instead of 4x? I mean, I see it could do good for a lot of weaker pokemon, but it also does too much good to a lot of powerhouses like Garchomp, Salamence and the like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 07:13:28 No.23133553 Report

Quoted By:

>>23133545
>Remove Poison Resistance
No make Water weak to Poison instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 07:18:06 No.23133569 Report

Quoted By:

>>23133549
>pelipper laughing at your pathetic volt switch.jpg

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 07:20:16 No.23133576 Report

Quoted By:

>>23133544
Well if it means anything now, Mega Mawile is the lowest ranked Mega Evolution in Ubers, lower than even the likes of Slowbro and Blaziken.

Maybe it's not so much that Mega Mawile isn't balanced, rather than it seeing an unreasonable jump in power and usability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Mar 2015 16:20:08 No.23135385 Report

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>>23132117
Fuck off kyogrefag, P-Groudon isn't going anywhere anytime soon

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