/vp/ - Pokémon » Thread #23141071

>/vp/ complains that Smogon is all about stall and pushing anything offensive out.
>Smogon realises they have gone a bit too far with that, and decide to make attempts to rectifiy it a bit.
>Still not good enough

I don't really like Smogon, but at least they are trying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 08:53:07 No.23141156 Report

Quoted By: >>23141221

>>23141097
No because Smogon is a community of elitist twats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 08:59:27 No.23141165 Report

Quoted By: >>23141195

>>23141130
>gardevoir used thunderbolt!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 09:00:11 No.23141166 Report

Quoted By: >>23141230 >>23141241

>>23141153
well if they didn't ban all the big offensive threats, stall wouldn't be an issue

they should re-consider older bans rather than testing ones that are easily better than Aegislash and friends, but it's pretty clear half the reason Smogon bans/tests new stuff is for the sake of shaking up the meta because OU is just that fucking boring

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 09:01:12 No.23141172 Report

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>The first like 25 turns are sableye being a dick

I love this game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 09:08:44 No.23141195 Report

Quoted By: >>23141206

>>23141165
She doesn't have room for that. Dual STABs + Focus Miss + Taunt are mandatory if she's designed as a stallbreaker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 09:12:29 No.23141206 Report

Quoted By: >>23142924 >>23142928

>>23141195
>she

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 09:15:39 No.23141221 Report

Quoted By: >>23141262 >>23141549

>>23141156
Better than being an image board of retarded faggots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 09:17:36 No.23141230 Report

Quoted By: >>23141245

>>23141166
Mega Luke was the only thing they banned that could touch stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 09:19:35 No.23141241 Report

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>>23141166
You are right, everything that has been Suspect Tested for OU since X/Y came out should be looked over and reconsidered for the OU meta.

But I guess even trying strange things like Gira is better than nothing at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 09:21:33 No.23141245 Report

Quoted By: >>23141256

>>23141230
it's not that certain banned megas/pokemon break through stall alone, it's just that banning them all has lowered the power level of the metagame to a crawl making stall too easy to use

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 09:25:34 No.23141256 Report

Quoted By: >>23141265

>>23141245
You have no idea what you are talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 09:27:39 No.23141262 Report

Quoted By: >>23142684

>>23141221
Found the Smogtard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 09:29:21 No.23141265 Report

Quoted By: >>23141272

>>23141256
nice shitpost

either explain why you disagree or fuck off

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 09:31:15 No.23141272 Report

Quoted By: >>23141296

>>23141265
>the banning of pokemon that are literally dead weight against stall totally made it easier to use!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 09:32:19 No.23141276 Report

Quoted By: >>23144351

>>23141097
Maybe banning Mega Salamence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 09:37:25 No.23141296 Report

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>>23141272
higher average power level = harder to pull of stall, this is common knowledge, otherwise stall wouldn't be getting harder to use every gen and why stall's popularity in gen 6 is apparently now an issue after so many bans

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 10:03:13 No.23141379 Report

Quoted By: >>23141398

>>23141071
If you didn't waste a moveslot on Protect for Sableye and Clefable that match would have been much shorter.
Fan of your replays tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 10:05:44 No.23141383 Report

Quoted By: >>23141514 >>23141667

Ho-Oh should be OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 10:13:43 No.23141398 Report

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>>23141379
>Protect
>a waste of moveslot
Clefable needs it for Wish healing, and Protect Mega Sableye is bar none the best scout in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 11:12:59 No.23141514 Report

Quoted By: >>23141667

>>23141383

Don't worry, the most overrated Uber in the history of Pokemon has to have it's day soon. At the very least they'll keep sacred fire banned and just drop Ho-oh down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 11:31:31 No.23141549 Report

Quoted By: >>23142684

>>23141221
it's smogon everybody!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 11:56:09 No.23141578 Report

Quoted By: >>23141592

I prefer a stall oriented meta. I use mostly bulky modest/adamant nature pokemon that rip through stall. I don't don't do it because I hate stall, I do it because it's thrilling clicking Draco Meteor on a Modest Specs Latios, Outrage on a Adamant Band Kyurem B, Knock Off on a Adamant Adaptability boosted Banded Crawdaunt, Overheat on a Modest Charizard Y then seeing the oponents HP bar hitting 0. My teams normally suck because I don't use pokemon faster than 318 so they struggle against hyper offense. But oh boy when against stall my team turns scary as fuck.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 12:03:14 No.23141592 Report

Quoted By: >>23141600

>>23141578
This

OP's battle is such a shitshow because it's just stalls stalling stalls stalling stalls stalling stalls

Back when I played Showdown I got off on sending out Porygon-Z on meticulously crafted stall teams and making them eat it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 12:07:22 No.23141600 Report

Quoted By: >>23141606

>>23141592
How is Porygon-Z going to check Mega Sableye and Chansey at the same time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 12:11:13 No.23141606 Report

Quoted By: >>23141612

>>23141600

Modest Specs Latios gets rid of both bro. My team against stall becomes "if you predict wrong you lose a pokemon" every turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 12:13:57 No.23141612 Report

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>>23141606
Protect Mega Sableye scouts for Latios' set and it usually runs some special defense EVs so it can survive a Draco Meteor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 12:29:53 No.23141667 Report

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>>23141514
>>23141383
Hey sub 1200s. Take a look at usage stats for high level players. Ho-oh was in the top 8 both in ORAS and XY
git gud suckers

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 12:33:33 No.23141679 Report

Quoted By: >>23141687 >>23141697

>Smogon being so filled with stallnerds they have to bring down an actual stall uber instead of unbanning M-Mawile or Aegislash
Why am I not surprised.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 12:35:59 No.23141687 Report

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>>23141679
True words anon. They never considered to ban Thundurus-I, the click-thunder-wave-to-stop-that-sweeper button.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 12:37:45 No.23141697 Report

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>>23141679
At least it's not Giratina-A.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 13:18:25 No.23141816 Report

Quoted By: >>23141881

>2015
>people still bitching about smogon as it were the official format or a democracy
>ignoring the fact that is their fucking simulator and they can do what they want with it
>muh smogon is evil

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 13:24:30 No.23141825 Report

Quoted By: >>23142696

>>23141071
I can't tell if Giratina being suspected is an April Fool's Day joke or not.
Surely there are worse ubers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 13:49:29 No.23141881 Report

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>>23141071
Onfly faggots run stall.

>>23141816
Its not even a simulator.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 14:21:23 No.23141977 Report

Quoted By: >>23143714

Should have tested aegislash or m-mawile instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 17:26:54 No.23142670 Report

Quoted By: >>23142720

Im unfamiliar with sims. Is show down a smogon thing or do they just use smogon tiers? I had a friend who used showdown for awhile and he hated it because there was always a chat full of teenagers sucking off his opponent and it just got annoying. He won as much as he lost he said.

I just play random matchup on cart and its hit or miss. Throughout the day I usually get people from the US/UK with reasonable teams but as soon as it gets dark and I try to play it's nothing but japs with arceus/kyogre/rayquaza

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 17:29:10 No.23142684 Report

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>>23141262
>>23141549
Doesn't make him wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 17:32:07 No.23142696 Report

Quoted By: >>23142840 >>23144527

>>23141825
Ho-oh, Lugia, and Kyurem-W come to mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 17:36:23 No.23142720 Report

Quoted By: >>23146640

>>23142670
>arceus/kyogre/rayquaza
played rated not free battles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 18:00:58 No.23142840 Report

Quoted By: >>23143268

>>23142696
How is someone this retarded
If anything Reshiram should be next because it's outclassed by Kyurem-W

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 18:10:53 No.23142879 Report

Quoted By: >>23142919

>people are actually falling for this
My expectations for you guys is too high.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 18:17:36 No.23142919 Report

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>>23142879
>There's still people who don't believe it
I bet you said the exact same thing when Kyurem-B got suspected :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 18:19:45 No.23142924 Report

Quoted By: >>23142928 >>23147518

>>23141206
>has

!ShinyDickY

!ShinyDickY Mon 30 Mar 2015 18:20:29 No.23142928 Report

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>>23142924
>>23141206
Now kiss tards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 18:38:49 No.23142999 Report

Quoted By: >>23143017 >>23143268

Kyurem-W suspect test when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 18:41:49 No.23143017 Report

Quoted By: >>23143033

>>23142999
>implying Kyurem-W is even CLOSE to the list of ubers that should be suspected in OU.

That thing is broken as fuck. In monotype all it needed was dual screen ROTOM-F to sweep entire teams. Imagine what it could do to OU with REAL team support.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 18:44:01 No.23143033 Report

Quoted By: >>23143211

>>23143017
And by "team support" I don't mean anything fancy like SmashPassing. I mean something that gets rid of hazards while covering its weaknesses (hint: Starmie) and team mates that appreciate the removal of pretty much any physical wall in OU (Azumarill and so on).

Kyu-W is not OU material. Don't even joke about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 19:10:46 No.23143173 Report

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>people are still falling for this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 19:21:17 No.23143211 Report

Quoted By: >>23143268 >>23147386

>>23143033
there's far too much powerful priority and fairies in ou for kyu-w to be a problem

Also it would help beat stall

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 19:28:34 No.23143234 Report

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>>23141071
>replay
>Risky Failure's IQ level

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 19:35:39 No.23143268 Report

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>>23142999
>>23143211
Meet >>23142840

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 21:10:24 No.23143714 Report

Quoted By: >>23147512

>>23141977
Yeah. I want my team back, it's not the same without Mmawile.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 22:44:06 No.23144351 Report

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>>23141276

Not even that.

>*ice Pokemon used ice move*
>lol just carry Porygon 2 and Klefki on every team xD
>but MegaMence has so many counters! even though its like two at best.

I think the only time /vp/ was ever happy at a smogon decision was the baton pass limit.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 23:00:29 No.23144457 Report

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>this is the meta smogon doesn't want

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-221468089

Pic for if the replay breaks, which it will.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Mar 2015 23:08:59 No.23144527 Report

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>>23142696

Ho-oh is S rank in ubers. It's never coming down, especially when it gets buffed with every generation.

Lugia will never come down as well. It's way too bulky for OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2015 04:13:53 No.23146640 Report

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>>23142720

I'd rather fight primals than mega kanga/gengar/rotom-W/zard X all day

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2015 08:01:53 No.23147386 Report

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>>23143211
>it would help beat stall
That's exactly why it won't get freed from Ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2015 08:46:38 No.23147512 Report

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>>23143714
only fairy i like too

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2015 08:49:05 No.23147518 Report

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>>23142924
a

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Mar 2015 17:32:18 No.23149366 Report

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>>23141071
why not Rayquaza to OU instead of giratina?

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