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Megas that should've gotten better abilities

Anonymous Mon 06 Apr 2015 20:36:31 No.23188521 View View Reply Original Report

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> tfw no Close Combat or High Jump Kick
> Strongest physical Fighting STAB is fucking Dynamicpunch
Xtwo really should've gotten No Guard. Steadfast? Are you shitting me here GF?

Also since you can't edit posts here, I deleted the previous thread so there would be some potential discussion looking from the starting post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Apr 2015 20:41:08 No.23188561 Report

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>>23188521
>Also since you can't edit posts here
Way to broadcast your new.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Apr 2015 20:44:44 No.23188580 Report

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>>23188521
Run Skill Swap if Steadfast isn't enough for you. Get Huge Power from the water bunny on the switch in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Apr 2015 20:46:14 No.23188592 Report

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I want Reddit to leave.

But anyway. The only good way to run Mewtwo X is making it a mixed wall breaker, since it still has sky-high special attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Apr 2015 20:48:20 No.23188602 Report

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>>23188521
>Low kick

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Apr 2015 20:49:42 No.23188606 Report

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>ubers is home to all of the heaviest Pokemon in existence
>Mewtwo gets low kick in a tier where it consistently has 100+ base power

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Apr 2015 20:55:08 No.23188633 Report

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>>23188521
>edit posts
>here

Holy shit hello there you fucking newfag

I think with Mega Mewtwo X they were worried about making it an overpowered mixed attacker so they gave it a mediocre ability. Mewtwo Y's is useful at least because it keeps Darkrai off of it, but even then Insomnia is typically useless.

It's only after GF gave us Mega Fug and the Primals that suddenly Mega Mewtwo wishes it had better abilities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Apr 2015 22:29:34 No.23189321 Report

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>>23188521
>waah my already powerful pokemon that got an even more powerful form isn't too uber stronk
>let's take the only niche of a UU pokemon and put it on someone better instead of improving that pokemon to perform its niche better

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 11:58:39 No.23192540 Report

Quoted By: >>23192559 >>23192562 >>23192576 >>23192884 >>23192936 >>23192941

>>23188521

Hopefully gen 7 fixes these megas:

Mewtwo X

106
220
100
90
120
144

Guts. Guts now ignores Paralysis' speed loss. Gets Close Combat, Swords Dance and a physical 130 base power Psychic attack.

Metwo Y

106
90
70
220
140
154

Now gets Competitive. Psystrike gets boosted to 120. Now gets Nasty Plot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 11:59:54 No.23192543 Report

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>>23188521
no, strongest stab is focus punch

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 12:04:15 No.23192559 Report

Quoted By: >>23192562 >>23192576 >>23192884 >>23192936 >>23192941

>>23192540

To go along with this, Mega Blaziken is waste, so let's change it too.

80
200
80
90
80
100

Instead of Speed Boost it gets Sheer Force which now boosts moves power by 50%. Sheer Force also stops recoil from moves like Flare Blitz. Hi Jump Kick boosted to 160 with a 30% chance of paralyzing the opponent. Blaziken gets an exclusive 130 base power +2 priority Fire move that also has a 10% chance of causing a burn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 12:07:43 No.23192562 Report

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>>23192540
>>23192559

Mega Garchomp:

Stats stay the same but it gets Speed Boost instead of whatever shit ability it has now. Draco Meteor boosted to 160. Earthquake boosted to 120.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 12:11:15 No.23192576 Report

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>>23192540
>>23192559
>>23192562

Mega Scizor:

70
180
140
45
100
65

Gets Adaptability instead of Technician. Bullet Punch boosted to 80 base power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:06:58 No.23192756 Report

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>>23188521
Mega Aggron

Base Aggron needs to have +30 HP in order to actually tank, so it should look like this

100
140
230
10
170
10

Now gets Recover, Cosmic Power, Bullet Punch. Heavy Slam now deal 200 base damage and filter is boosted so super effective move only does 1/4 damage

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:16:40 No.23192793 Report

Quoted By: >>23192821

Mega Blastoise get the made up ability Cannoneer
Boosts power and accuracy of pump, cannon, beam, and blast moves x1.3

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:28:17 No.23192821 Report

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>>23192793
What Mega Launcher should've fucking been from the start, basically.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:40:37 No.23192873 Report

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Mega Mewtwo X should have gotten Moxie.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:43:58 No.23192884 Report

Quoted By: >>23192888 >>23192893 >>23192896 >>23192936 >>23192941

>>23192540
>>23192559
>>23192576

Mega Lucario

HP 70
ATK 140
DEF 90
SPA 118
SPD 90
SPE 117

> Bullet Punch boosted to 80 base power.
Thanks

Adaptability modifies STAB into 3x instead of 2.

Gets Sacred Sword, Secret Sword and Sucker Punch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:45:50 No.23192888 Report

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>>23192884
>Not knowing Special M-Luke is better

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:48:21 No.23192893 Report

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>>23192884
Now that Sableye shows up more the physical variant is worse than the special one. Also Lopunny outspeeds with the Fake Out and HJK on turn two.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:48:55 No.23192896 Report

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>>23192884
Adaptability also make its weakness (Fire, Ground, Fighting) do half damage against it.

"Adapting"

>>23192888
Nice trips, but no.

CC / the now 80 BST Bullet Punch will eliminate all prankster that tries to burn it. taste 240 with adaptability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:51:10 No.23192909 Report

Quoted By: >>23192911

>>23192893
What the hell will you do once Fake Out barely graze it?

Take on 240 BP Bullet Punch head on?

Can Mega Sable take it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:52:09 No.23192911 Report

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>>23192909
>sableye used will-o-wisp
>lucario is burned!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:52:19 No.23192912 Report

Quoted By: >>23192930 >>23192960

>>23188521
Well I can list of all the ones I think should have:

Ability is near totally useless:
Houndoom
Audino
Steelix
Garchomp
Gallade

Ability is only situationally useful at best:
Alakazam
Ampharos
Slowbro
Sceptile

It's not so easy to actually come up with a replacement ability for them that is good but not stupid broken though.

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:52:51 No.23192914 Report

Quoted By: >>23192922

/vp/ once again proves no-one has any concept of balance

seriously, the reason mewtwo has steadfast and insomnia is to balance the absurdly high stats, why turn every mega into something that should be banned along with rayyyyy lmao

A select few megas deserved better abilities, like Steelix, Sceptile and Houndoom. Most either have good abilities, or they are weakened for balance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:53:23 No.23192916 Report

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>ITT: unsatisfied 12-year-olds circlejerking on power tripping with already powerful megas

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:54:37 No.23192922 Report

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>>23192914
Yes because GF clearly showed us they care very much about legendary balance when they gave us Primal Groudon and Mega Rayquaza

Seriously it's fucking Mewtwo why would you try to restrict how broken you make it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:54:45 No.23192923 Report

Quoted By: >>23192945

>>23192896
>Using made up stats

Btw special sets are not better than physical, both are equally good, what makes M-Luke so threatening in uber is it can go both ways and have different counters

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:56:00 No.23192930 Report

Quoted By: >>23192963 >>23192983

>>23192912
Houndoom should have Drought.
Steelix should have Solid Rock.
Garchomp is OP enough.
Gallade is fine enough, for Skill Swap shenanigans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:56:28 No.23192933 Report

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>>23188521
Mega Kangaskhan should have 1 more stage where the baby grows to full size, so it gets the equivalent of Huge Power

Return should be 120 base power that can hit ghost, it also needs 140 base speed and a normal priority that hits ghost

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:57:08 No.23192936 Report

Quoted By: >>23192945

>>23188521
>190 attack isn't good enough ;__;

>>23192540
both immediately banned to anything goes

>>23192559
>>23192576
>>23192884
utterly insane min-maxing and abilities, you have to genuinely be a retard to think this would be a good idea

>>23192922
>lol one mega is utterly broken for lore purposes lets make them all xD

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:58:06 No.23192941 Report

Quoted By: >>23192950

>>23192540
>>23192559
>>23192576
>>23192884

Mega Tyranitar

HP 100
ATK 164
DEF 150
SPA 65
SPD 120
SPE 101

Sand Rush

Mega Salamence

HP 95
ATK 145
DEF 130
SPA 110
SPD 100
SPE 120

Gets Extreme Speed

>>23192911
I know that. I was asking if Mega Sable can survive getting hit with Bullet Punch.

Priority vs priority = speed fight

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 13:59:41 No.23192945 Report

Quoted By: >>23192967 >>23193005

>>23192923
> it can go both ways

As do I, hmmm~

>>23192916
>>23192936
Didn't get the joke, guys?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:00:04 No.23192950 Report

Quoted By: >>23192958

>>23192941
since apparently you can't calc, yes, it eats a BP easily, even after an SD
>+2 252 Atk Adaptability Mega Lucario Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Sableye: 118-140 (38.8 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:01:24 No.23192958 Report

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>>23192950
You calc it with the Adaptability 3x and bullet punch being 80 BP?

if yes Damn, Sableye

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:02:00 No.23192960 Report

Quoted By: >>23193090

>>23192912
houndoom's ability isn't near totally useless, quite on the contrary, it's great with solarbeam for good coverage

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:03:28 No.23192963 Report

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>>23192930
>a guardian dog from hell (where there's no sun)
>sun ability
it should have adaptability
also
>making steelix already shittier by basically being an aggron clone
it should have arena trap

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:03:57 No.23192964 Report

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Mega Steelix should have a special version of Sand Stream that will not damage any of your teammates.

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:04:37 No.23192967 Report

Quoted By: >>23192973 >>23192990

>>23192945
>Haha! I was merely pretending to want these megas, as too am aware that they would be overpowered for the metagame to handle! Truly, I have demonstrated by being completely serious with my mega suggestions that I was joking at heart, and you are a fool for not understanding!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:05:26 No.23192968 Report

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>>a guardian dog from hell (where there's no sun)
lol'd

autistic meme rater

autistic meme rater Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:06:54 No.23192973 Report

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>>23192967
i kinda like the pic you posted even though it's 3.24 MB, jfc.
but yeah, the bait is obvious, nobody would believe you're that dumb, not even on /vp/.

"trolls trolling trolls" can be decent, but you did a pretty sloppy job.

meme: 6,5/10
execution: 3/10

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:09:23 No.23192983 Report

Quoted By: >>23192991 >>23193001 >>23193092

>>23192930
Houndoom with Drought kinda falls under "stupidly OP". One Nasty Plot and you OHKO nearly everything with a Fire Blast.

Solid Rock would've been a good idea on Steelix.

Garchomp isn't really OP at all. It's like, B- viability right now. Even letting it keep Rough Skin or something would've given it a consistently useful ability that isn't broken.

Running Skill Swap Gallade is dumb, you're wasting an entire moveslot on something you can barely ever use. What's even gonna switch in on you that you can Skill Swap? It's funny as a joke set but that's about all.

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:10:35 No.23192990 Report

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>>23192967
Are you seriously embarrassing yourself on public?

Come on, dude.
> Adaptability 3x + 80 BP Bullet Punch
> Serious
Come on, dude.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:10:40 No.23192991 Report

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>>23192983
>Solid Rock would've been a good idea on Steelix.
>wanting aggron 2.0: shittier version
>not arena trap monster
u guise r gay

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:12:52 No.23193001 Report

Quoted By: >>23193008

>>23192983
>needs sun support
>needs to set up a nasty plot
>revenge killers
>weak to rocks
>weak to priority
yeah that's stupidly op

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:13:09 No.23193005 Report

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>>23192945
you have to be 18 to post here

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:13:42 No.23193008 Report

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>>23193001
>DROUGHT
>NEEDS SUN SUPPORT
epic

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Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:17:53 No.23193041 Report

Quoted By: >>23193080

Mega Mewtwo X: No Guard / Defiant / Contrary
Mega Mewtwo Y: Magic Bounce / Competitive
Mega Tyranitar: Sand Rush
Mega Garchomp: Sand Rush / Mold Breaker
Mega Ampharos: un-salvageable
Mega Banette: Make Prankster go the turn it mega evolves
Mega Blaziken: Sheer Force / Unaware
Mega Audino: Fur Coat / Regenerator
Mega Steelix: Filter / Magic Bounce / Multiscale
Mega Abomasnow: Snow Cloak (now 50% evasion boost)
Mega Aerodactyl: Gale ... nevermind.
Mega Houndoom: No Guard
> Guard dog of hell
> No guard
???

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:20:32 No.23193068 Report

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>>23193005
Nick, I swear to God.

Sorry guys, my baby brother is here again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:22:55 No.23193080 Report

Quoted By: >>23193116

>>23193041
no guard literally means houndoom can't have it specifically
adaptability fits better
also steelix's abilities are all stupid, it doesn't even have scales

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:25:51 No.23193090 Report

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>>23192960
People will continue to call weather abilities useless until they become win condition again in the Single format.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:26:34 No.23193092 Report

Quoted By: >>23193099

>>23192983
>>23192983
Mega Chomp is fine. I just think they should make Sand Force more viable, for its sake and for Steelix's.

Look at Tough Claws. One condition needs to be met, that the move is physical contact, to get a 1.3x boost.

Look at Pixilate or any -ate ability. One condition needs to be met, that the move is normal type and it gets a 1.3x boost.

These are incredibly easy conditions to meet.

Now, with Sand Force, there are two conditions to meet. First, Sand must be up, which is hard to maintain for a whole game. But, it's achievable. So, does Sand Force now give a 1.3x boost?

No, another condition must be met. Only Ground, Rock and Steel moves are boosted. Sure, this leads to hugely powerful EQs and Stone Edges and Heavy Slams for Steelix.

But it's not that good. I say Sand Force should boost all damage by 1.3x, both Special and Physical, when sand is up. At least make it viable, Game Freak, you terrible humans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:27:43 No.23193099 Report

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>>23193092
nah sand force should just make stone edge unmissable in sandstorm and that's it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:29:55 No.23193116 Report

Quoted By: >>23193125

>>23193080
Adaptability is one's ability to adapt to its environments. By this logic all pokemon should be given adaptability.

We have to give SOMETHING to Houndoom, at least.

Drought? Flame Body? Cursed Body? Competitive? Contrary?(Devil's Contract in Japan --- kinda fits thematically) Intimidate?

> steelix's abilities are all stupid, it doesn't even have scales
Yea, I'm kind of at a loss for words for that thing.

Arena Trap, at least?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Apr 2015 14:31:38 No.23193125 Report

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>>23193116
dogs have gone wherever humans have, they're extremely loyal. this loyalty reflects on houndoom, it should therefore have something that reflects its loyalty on humans. adaptability is one choice
arena trap would be great on it

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