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Smogon vs VGC 2015

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 15:22:38 No.23236465 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>23236489 >>23236490 >>23236500 >>23236514 >>23236642 >>23236795

Which one is better?

And why is it VGC 2015?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 15:25:35 No.23236488 Report

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Because it's cool to hate smogon.
Almost as cool as posting in every smogon-related thread about how much you don't care about smogon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 15:25:38 No.23236489 Report

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>>23236465
Competitive format wars are just as dumb as generation wars and console war bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 15:25:53 No.23236490 Report

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>>23236465
Smogon. Not only do they support VGC, they provide other tiers for us to play.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 15:28:03 No.23236500 Report

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>>23236465
>Not just playing both whenever you feel like it

I do play much more VGC though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 15:32:01 No.23236514 Report

Quoted By: >>23236788

>>23236465
VGC because it's the official format

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 15:35:53 No.23236529 Report

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>>23236490
Would be a valid statement if official rules were their focus, their "support" for it is a joke but I blame the shitty userbase not the site.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 15:54:47 No.23236621 Report

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Smogon of course.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 15:58:57 No.23236642 Report

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>>23236465
Between Smogon who refuses to abandon the singles format and bans everything that kills their precious genies and VGC 2015 that doesn't do retarded bullshit like that, only the foolish would say Smogon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 16:22:14 No.23236758 Report

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>>23236642
>Smogon Doubles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 16:25:42 No.23236770 Report

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>>23236642
>its wrong that people don't want to play the game in a niche format thats only been implemented a few times

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 16:27:15 No.23236777 Report

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I like VGC 2015 because it's not VGC 2014

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 16:28:34 No.23236788 Report

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>>23236514
Verlisify furry kin detected.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 16:30:04 No.23236794 Report

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>>23236788
verlisify doesn't even play vgc, he plays the objectively worst format battlespot singles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 16:30:07 No.23236795 Report

Quoted By: >>23236799 >>23236873 >>23239887

>>23236465

I'd love VGC if they'd put a flat ban on legendaries

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 16:31:17 No.23236799 Report

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>>23236795
>flat ban on legendaries
learn to adapt scrub

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 16:42:28 No.23236873 Report

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>>23236795
yeah man, articuno and phione just wreck the meta right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 16:45:50 No.23236897 Report

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>>23236873
>Thinking that ninty will EVER just ban the problem legendaries
It's all or nothing and you know it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 18:25:00 No.23237336 Report

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>>23236529
Well no, it's a valid statement either way. I'd rather have choice than no choice. If they condemned VGC and banned anybody from playing battlespot then sure - but they accept that it's a different metagame and support it on their simulator. Meanwhile, there are no options on cart for people who want to play games with shitmon or minimal hax.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Apr 2015 18:32:27 No.23237368 Report

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>>23236873
Thank god Phione is banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 01:32:27 No.23239887 Report

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>>23236795

I don't see the point in that, legendaries like zapdos, heatran, cresselia and cobalion are good, but not in a way that it affects the meta. Only OP legendaries like rayquaza, kyogre, mewteo etc should be banned Imo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 01:33:56 No.23239901 Report

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>>23236758
>fucking up them eta by unbanning all the event legends
>6v6

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 01:36:11 No.23239914 Report

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>>23239901
>implying getting event legends matter on a simulator
>muh rock paper scissors team preview takes SKILL

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 02:07:02 No.23240111 Report

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>>23239901
Unbanning events was a good thing in every way except maybe follow me jirachi and that's only with type synergy with mence

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 02:21:43 No.23240211 Report

Quoted By: >>23241761 >>23241940 >>23242788

I really dislike how misinformed some people are.

Smogon isn't a single person or a small group of people that make their decisions.

The community as a whole reaches the decisions through a balanced and fair voting system. In fact, the vote is weighted so that more than 60% of people must vote for a ban rather than just more than half.

Do you guys see that? It's harder to ban something than not to.

You know what else? People don't ban things for any reason other than they are broken. That is one of the rules in the bans, that you don't ban/keep something because it allows/prevents something from being bad/good.

Bans are made based solely on if something is broken or not. I think the reason people got so butthurt over Greninja being banned is that it's one of their favorite Pokemon. That shouldn't influence anything at all as to whether it is broken or not, which it clearly was. It had literally zero counters, having coverage for everything in the game and not allowing free switches to anything. But that is overlooked, because you want to reinforce the idea that Smogon loves the genies. Which you could definitely argue, until you remember that the genies are just as if not more common in VGC, and that, oh yeah, there are other fucking tiers then just OU in Smogon that don't use the genies.

Seriously, it's like you people want to hate Smogon for some unknown reason (Greninja is your favorite Pokemon? Maybe) and will think of any reason to do so.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 08:11:14 No.23241761 Report

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>>23240211
>It had literally zero counters
>imfuckingplying
And Skuntank is just the tip of the mountain of pokemon that hard counters Greninja.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 08:25:29 No.23241803 Report

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>>23241761
252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 16 HP / 252 SpD Skuntank: 212-251 (60.3 - 71.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

Nice one dickhead.

And if you will say that 252/252+ Assault Vest counters Greninja, you're wrong, because it has no recovery and is worn down incredibly badly by hazards, it can't use one of its best moves in Defog, it's shit in OU even if it did counter Greninja which it doesn't.

Also, 252/252+ Assault Vest doesn't mean shit. That can live any special attack.

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Skuntank: 296-351 (72.1 - 85.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Just about the strongest special attacker in OU can't KO with super effective damage on it. Saying something is 'hard countered' just because it can live attacks means shit all. Because, Skuntank can only switch in on Greninja's Hydro Pump with Rocks twice, then it's dead on the net one.

Hard countered means it can actually do something.

EVEN IF Skuntank 'hard countered' Greninja, it does absolutely nothing else for a team in OU. It can't offer any kind of team support, 93 base Attack is absolutely abysmal, it can't even Defog if it's Assault Vest, if it's not Assault Vest it doesn't do its supposed job in 'hard countering' Greninja.

If that's your tip of the fucking mountain, show me the rest of them, because Skuntank doesn't do shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 09:00:57 No.23241932 Report

Quoted By: >>23241956

Lol I can counter greninja with a fucking hitmontop if I wanted. The problem with some of you fucks over at smogon when talking about greninja is you talk about it as if it had every goddamn move it has "oh but it has extrasensory, dragalge cant counter it" "it has gunk shot, florgress cant counter it" etc etc, like Jesus fucking Christ mate, I cant remember when it was the last time that i saw a greninja with extrasensory. All you really need to know is if its physical or special, then you should be able to guess what its got. If you really have problems with handling a fucking greninja (which is a shitmon Imo) then you should question your competitive skills.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 09:03:03 No.23241940 Report

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>>23240211
>banning mega salamence from doubles
yeah no they have no fucking idea what they're doing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 09:05:35 No.23241945 Report

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Greninja is a fucking shitmon that is extremely easy to counter. Hydro Miss and Gunk Miss are going to fail eventually, and it dies to LO recoil after 10 hits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 09:11:11 No.23241956 Report

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>>23241932
>All you really need to know is if its physical or special, then you should be able to guess what its got
Because that's how you counter something.

By guessing what it's got, and miraculously, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING GAME, bring a counter to its specific moveset.

That's it folks, everyone give up. This guy has worked it out. All you need to do to beat a broken Pokemon is to completely guess what its moves are, which of course is the easiest task imaginable, and then, once you've done that, just look through your team of 6 and a counter will pop out of nowhere for you. It's too easy, why has noone else thought of this???

I really really hope this is b8, especially because you seem to think Greninja is solely either special or physical, and not mixed when literally every good player runs Ice Beam, Gunk Shot and 2 coverage moves unless in extreme circumstances.

Seriously, your argument that Greninja is easy to handle is that 'it probably won't have this, I will deduce its moveset through pure guesswork, I have counters everywhere, it's a shitmon, you're bad.'

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 09:40:28 No.23241985 Report

Quoted By: >>23241997

>conkeldurr used mach punch
>it's super effective
>greninja fainted!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 09:43:06 No.23241997 Report

Quoted By: >>23242015 >>23243579

>>23241985
>Greninja used Gunk Shot!
>Greninja's Protean made it the Poison Type!

>Conkeldurr used Mach Punch!
>It's not very effective!

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 09:50:29 No.23242015 Report

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>>23241997
>Mach punch going after Gunk Shot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 09:54:47 No.23242026 Report

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Considering Smogon's popularity, it's a wonder that Game Freak doesn't just let players host battles with custom rulesets.

Remember playing Free Battle in the Stadium games? IIRC, you could even allow or disallow certain mons, just like Smogon.

I'm not naive enough to say that custom rules would kill Smogon, but I bet Battle Spot would be less of a shithole if they did it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 14:46:22 No.23242788 Report

Quoted By: >>23243463

>>23240211
Banning anything that's not a cover legend from doubles is a mistake. Playing doubles for as long as I have made me realize nobody's op in the format.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 15:14:12 No.23242900 Report

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>>23241761
>tfw best counter is unreleased

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 16:50:38 No.23243286 Report

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Smogon but fuck the genies

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 17:23:23 No.23243463 Report

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>>23242788
so you're opposed to Kyurem Black in Smogon Doubles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 17:48:27 No.23243579 Report

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>>23241956
>miracle
MFW competitive Pokemon is mainly about predictions

>>23241997
MFW gunk shot goes before mach punch

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 17:49:51 No.23243590 Report

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