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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 18:49:35 No.23243900 View View Reply Original Report

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> There are people alive right now who think Gen II and HGSS weren't the hottest shit

What's with the shit taste, bros?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 18:55:29 No.23243919 Report

Quoted By: >>23243930 >>23244063

No complaints for gen two.
My only beef with their remakes is the sluggish battle speed that gen 4 had.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 18:57:22 No.23243926 Report

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>>23243900
Wasn't impressed that right out of the gate the new Pokemon either are hiding in the night or are so rare they could have not been included and no one would know the difference. Wasn't impressed that half the gyms just had the Pokemon from the previous generation and maybe one of the new ones sprinkled amongst the trainers. Didn't like that Kanto felt tacked on because they had space on the disc to do so. In the remakes I was angered that they copied the Frontier over from Platinum and made angrier still when the Internet seems okay with coping content as long as its the Battle Frontier despite only three of the five areas actually having replay value.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 18:58:08 No.23243930 Report

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Only complaints are:
>Kanto's level curve (which HGSS doesn't take care of)
>Gen 4's slow battle speed as >>23243919 said

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 18:58:24 No.23243931 Report

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Gen 2 is king. Silver remains my favourite game to date, and I've played at least two games of each version (one+third)

It just added so, so much shit. Day night, two regions, secret endgame etc, by far the biggest improvement gen-on-gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 18:58:56 No.23243935 Report

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>>23243900
youre not my bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:03:18 No.23243961 Report

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>>23243900
I'm not your bro, friend!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:03:39 No.23243966 Report

Quoted By: >>23245360

>>23243900
I remember GS being so hype back in elementary school. The jump in quality between Gen 1 and Gen 2 was such a great point in the franchise, and it sucks another gen hasn't been like that period sense.

Like yeah, every gen introduced / got rid of concepts, but Gen 2 fixed so many things wrong about the original games while introducing things on its own that all work together in one great package.

Shame there are hardly any Johto pokemon in Johto though. That's pretty much the one flaw outside of the level scaling in Kanto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:05:30 No.23243987 Report

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I like gentoo. I don't like the remakes. Or any of GF's remakes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:07:15 No.23243993 Report

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When was the last time you did a Generation 2 run, /vp/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:08:40 No.23244004 Report

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>>23243900

My childhood self was fascinated by the day and night pokemon differences and I remember getting up before school to catch ledyba and whatnot...but then I also remember how damn impossible it was to find most of the new pokemon without waiting for a swarm....and it was really lame that the two new types were hyped so hard and then not available till way the hell late in the game (if you didn't get an umbreon you didn't see a dark type till the middle of kanto...and the only new steel type that didn't waste your metal coat wasn't available till you were almost at Kanto too). Kanto itself felt really barren and pointless too....the only interesting parts were the changes to cinnabar and seeing blue as the new viridian leader.

Hgss just felt like an afterthought once I was done with platinum....it had the same endgame and black and white got introduced while I was in the middle of it so I never got to mess with the pokethlon and whatnot...the pokewalker was a nice touch though. It's a shame we can't get those kinds of features ported over.

Thinking back gen two was probably the least interesting to me....it just feels really lame compared to what we got from three and five. ( four had a lame pokemon selection in the first two games but platinum fixed that and fleshed the story out...were it not for Plat I'd probably like it less than 2)

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:10:17 No.23244015 Report

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>>23243961
>>23243935

samefag harder

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:10:20 No.23244016 Report

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Gen 2 also had the best anime opening

>there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who didn't make their way to the top of the hill

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:10:52 No.23244019 Report

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>>23244004
>it just feels really lame compared to what we got from three and five.
>implying there is anything positive that can be said about those generations

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:11:44 No.23244027 Report

Quoted By: >>23244048

I started with White and I played heart gold after because people said it was awesome. I was pretty fucking disappointed, boring region + no plot does not equal a god tier game.

It was good, but nowhere near as good as people made out.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:13:54 No.23244046 Report

Quoted By: >>23244200

>>23243900
>Worst pokemon placement in the series
>awful gym leader pokemon barely any of them had gen II pokes
>level curve
>main plots stakes not very high
>wild pokemon being like 20-30 until you hit Mt.Silver
>Kanto kinda boring
I like it too but lets try to keep those goggles off

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:13:57 No.23244048 Report

Quoted By: >>23244060

>>23244027

> Started with White
> Played HeartGold after

It's not a fucking sequel to White, if you didn't play RBY/FRLG before GSC/HGSS then you're a filthy poser

You might be better suited to http://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:14:39 No.23244053 Report

Quoted By: >>23244067 >>23244108

>>23244016
IT'S A WHOLE NEW WORLD WE LIVE IN

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:14:44 No.23244054 Report

Quoted By: >>23244115

>>23243900
>The year of our holy Arceus 2000+15
>figuring out how autistic /vp/ is

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:15:25 No.23244060 Report

Quoted By: >>23244090

>>23244048

>hahaha go back to le reddit genwunners only in here xdddd

sorrynotsorry

Gen 2 is overrated. Like I said, good, but overrated, and you know this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:15:44 No.23244063 Report

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>>23243919
this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:16:26 No.23244067 Report

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>>23244053

Based.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:20:52 No.23244090 Report

Quoted By: >>23244115

>>23244060

> sorrynotsorry
> actually using this phrase unironically

I guess I thought too highly of you, try out http://www.tumblr.com instead, more your audience

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:23:26 No.23244108 Report

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>>23244053
IT'S A WHOLE NEW WAY TO SEE

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:24:49 No.23244115 Report

Quoted By: >>23245156

>>23244054
>our holy Arceus
I already know how autistic you are.

>>23244090
This, but unironically. It might sound better in the form of a haiku. Let me try it:

Sorry, did that hurt?
That "sorry" was sarcasm;
I am not sorry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:26:21 No.23244124 Report

Quoted By: >>23244156 >>23244999

>>23244019

Three gave us doubles, an actual selection of dark and steel types to work with (one of which is my favorite pokemon bar none) some much needed new type combinations to give some variance to the pvp aspect of the game, abilities, a selection of held items that actually matter....etc...I could go on forever but the point is gen 3 made competitive battling possible, plus I actually enjoyed the region I was in and felt challenged by the gym leaders for the first time (something pseudo kanto could not give me).

Five gave us the first real storyline with an actual sequel instead of the predictable third game we kept getting...as well as a region with the most new and interesting pokemon since one (and hardly any of them were water for once...blew my mind). It was a great installment to the series and will be remembered for a long ass time for breaking ground none of the other games had till that point...anyone who thinks otherwise has their nostalgia goggles glued on.

I don't hate two but let's face it.....it really hasn't aged well, at least not for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:32:16 No.23244156 Report

Quoted By: >>23244181

>>23244124
>the most new and interesting pokemon since one

r u on drugz m8?

Gen 5 had more rehashes of tropes (regional bird, regional bat, regional shitty rodent, hitmon clones etc) than any other generation

Gen 3 on the other hand...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:37:00 No.23244181 Report

Quoted By: >>23244999

>>23244156

How is that even an argument? Every game has a regional bird and shit house rodent....

I'll give you Sawk and Throh (even though they were still different enough) but gen 5 touched more new ground in pokemon design than any game before it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:40:37 No.23244200 Report

Quoted By: >>23244244 >>23244252 >>23244257

>>23244046

>main plots stakes not very high

More like non-existent.

Gen 1: The region is slowly being taken over by a criminal organization. The League has been infiltrated. Major corporations are being invaded and hijacked.
Gen 2: The remnant of the past team is using special signals to forcefully evolve Magikarp in a lake, and their ultimate plot is taking over a radio tower to try to call the old boss.
Gen 3: Dumb and Dumber have awoken and failed to control primordial embodiments of nature itself, which are now trying to burn down/drown the region.
Gen 4: Cyrus attempts to enslave the masters of time and space to destroy and recreate the entire universe.
Gen 5.1: PokePETA has toppled the League with a befriended legendary and hacked into the PC system. Said legendary makes PokePETA's king look like the second coming of one of the region's founders.
Gen 5.2: PokePETA's founder and real leader has gone off the rails, successfully enslaved a legendary, and is now using it as a battery for his flying city level freeze ray. The subtle route didn't work, so now he's just going to rule the region with an iron fist.
Gen 6: PokeNazi fashion police have unleashed an ancient WMD and plan to kill everyone in the world but themselves so resource scarcity never becomes an issue.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:47:31 No.23244230 Report

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Don't look at me, anon.

Johto is one of the coolest regions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:49:37 No.23244244 Report

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>>23244200
lmao pretty much

these are all so funny

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:50:53 No.23244252 Report

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>>23244200
>Gen 3: Dumb and Dumber have awoken and failed to control primordial embodiments of nature itself, which are now trying to burn down/drown the region.
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:51:26 No.23244257 Report

Quoted By: >>23244277 >>23244451

>>23244200
>their ultimate plot is taking over a radio tower to try to call the old boss.
i thought it was to use the radio tower to send the evolution signal all across the land

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 19:55:48 No.23244277 Report

Quoted By: >>23244314

>>23244257
nope
they were after Giovani you can even tune in and listen

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 20:01:05 No.23244314 Report

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>>23244277
It was both. They were using the Radio Tower to call back Giovanni, but they were going to use it to broadcast the evolution signal as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 20:21:40 No.23244451 Report

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>>23244257

Nope. It was just to get Giovanni back. They had no idea where he was or how to get in touch, so they figured the best bet was to broadcast the message everywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 20:28:19 No.23244492 Report

Quoted By: >>23244646 >>23244805 >>23245132

>>23243900

Worst region
Worst new Pokemon
Horrible postgame
Irrelevant plot & worst evil team
Awful layout
Unmemorable music
Halfassed most of the new concepts it brought to the table, requiring gen 3 to fix them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 20:57:10 No.23244646 Report

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>>23244492
>elaborate please
>elaborate please
>an entire region => horrible. sure. makes sense
>implying YOU are the ONLY ONE who can SAVE THE WORLD is in any way interesting at this point, compared to the last dying gasps of a once powerful organization
>elaborate please
>fair point, but there are still some standouts
>all of the games have expanded on previously introduced elements

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 21:22:12 No.23244789 Report

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>>23243900
Playing through the first time, Silver was fucking awesome.

Coming back to Jhoto with SoulSilver made me notice the huge design problems, though:
>wild pokemon are in their teens and low twenties while trainers are in the 30s, making training a pain in the ass.
>Trainer rematch feature takes for fucking ever to trigger, so it's hard to get enough trainer battles even fighting every chance you get
>Plot is weak as shit, might as well be nonexistant
>Many gen II pokemon require trades or items not obtainable until after the E4 (and pretty much all the ACTUALLY INTERESTING ones at that), making them feel like far less than 2/5ths of the pokemon out there at the time.
>Seriously, do some actual level design you fucks.

They're still ok, but SS made me see the flaws that I didn't see as a kid. The relatively nonlinear region design was both good and bad. On one hand, it let you choose where you were going to go next, and you could go and do it just fine (unlike the very blatantly arbitrary "Hey, no, you can't keep going because, uh, durant or something" shit in X/Y). On the other, this is the chief cause of the horrible pokemon level progression.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 21:24:28 No.23244805 Report

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>>23244492

> Kill yourself
> Kill yourself
> Yeah okay let's replace Kanto with a Battle Maison
> 100% relevant to the franchise at the time & the evil team had genuine motivation beyond "i want to rule the world using X legendary"
> I'll give you this one, Johto's layout is pretty linear and shit
> Violet City, Ecruteak, Goldenrod, the Lake Of Rage music and all the new battle themes were "unmemorable"? shittaste.jpg
> Good thing HGSS came out then

did you even try?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 21:50:58 No.23244999 Report

Quoted By: >>23245042

>>23244124
>>23244181
>responding to either obvious bait or shit taste pleb
Your fault.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 21:57:20 No.23245042 Report

Quoted By: >>23245367

>>23244999

I get too heated in arguments like this and forget I'm on 4chan and half the people posting have no stake in the argument beyond pissing me off.

I'm not sure I you agree with the points I made or not though....

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:04:19 No.23245079 Report

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>>23243926
Being angered by Pokemon games is literally autistic.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:06:19 No.23245098 Report

Quoted By: >>23245309

>>23243926
What's wrong with HGSS having Platinum's Frontier? It's more replayable content than what we had in Crystal (though a Legacy mode for Battle Tower to play by intervals of ten would've been nicer), while ORAS' copypaste is a lot less replayable than Emerald's Frontier would've been. I don't see why people think it's bad to copypaste something good; I'd only complain if the copypaste caused us to lose content.

I mean if Gen V kept following Pokémon nobody would've complained about "they're just copypasting from HGSS with added Unova sprites," right?

Just feels weird in general to complain about adding more content when you aren't losing anything in exchange, you have pretty much 100% of GSC's content besides Celebi appearing at the Ilex Shrine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:10:53 No.23245132 Report

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>>23244492
>subjective
>subjective
>all of kanto = shit postgame?
>this is true
>true too, way too linear
>depends. I remember some like Route46/47, Violet City and National Park because I like them
>HGSS exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:13:08 No.23245145 Report

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New players won't appreciate all the awesome features Gold & Silver added. Take away those, and Johto is kind of shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:15:07 No.23245156 Report

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>>23244115
10/10, would read again

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:20:54 No.23245192 Report

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>>23243900
Shit level curve
HGSS destroyed the soundtrack
6.2/10

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:25:17 No.23245219 Report

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>>23243926
Pretty much this, although many Gen 2 mons aren't quite as rare as you're making out, but you're right for the most part.

I actually didn't mind the HGSS Frontier, but that's mostly because I've never played Platinum. If I had, I'd probably be more annoyed.

But the hypocrisy is very noticeable: copy the Frontier, nobody minds. Copy the Maison and everybody loses their shit. It's more content than the RS Battle Tower ever had, but that's not good enough because we can't watch the AI fight for us in the Battle Palace.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:29:50 No.23245234 Report

Quoted By: >>23245263 >>23245338

People are always complaining about the Generation II Pokemon being too obscure, sparse etc but I honestly felt like that was the best thing about Generation II

Remember in Super Smash Bros Melee when you got all of the unlockable characters? It was hype because so many of them were brand new characters. Remember unlocking characters in Brawl? Shit was dead as fuck because 3/4 of them were unlockables in Melee too, so it just felt like you were doing the same work again rather than earning new shit

Basically the GSC system meant that the new Pokemon felt like they had to be earned rather than being thrown at you. That factor alone truly made them feel like an expansion of the original set of Pokemon rather than a replacement for them or a cash-in

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:34:25 No.23245263 Report

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>>23245234

When the selling point of a new pokemon game is that there are "new pokemon" and the game artificially gates them from you by making them rare as piss (even though most of them weren't all that great battle wise) it's bad game design in my opinion....and it's why I hold gen 5 in such high regard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:34:55 No.23245268 Report

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Yeah, it has its fair share of problem. However, and I'm probably biased since I played ALOT of Crystal as a kid, but Johto is easily the comfiest region.

I used to just walk around, listening to the awesome soundtrack, and walk around the world. I love the fuedal japan theme they chose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MNAktk9ei8
Also even tough Kanto is empty and is played trough in like 1,5 hour it still felt awesome to reexplore it. I can't believe they haven't done stuff like that again. And a shame that they didn't fix stuff like wild pokemon leveling and having more Johto pokemon available from the start and HGSS would have been the best games so far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:42:52 No.23245309 Report

Quoted By: >>23245333

>>23245098
>it's only bad when it's ORAS

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:46:23 No.23245333 Report

Quoted By: >>23245357

>>23245309
Did you read the part of my post that explained WHY it was fine with HGSS but not with ORAS?

If not I'll tl;dr it for you.

>HGSS copypasting Frontier = more replayable content for zero effort
>ORAS copypasting Maison = less replayable content for zero effort

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:46:38 No.23245338 Report

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>>23245234
It did sell the idea that they're newly-discovered species, as they're mostly found in situations you'd never see in Gen 1, like nightime, held-item/happiness evolutions, breeding and outbreaks.

Besides, back in those days kids loved unlocking shit in games. A decade of DLC, smartphones and easy as fuck Achievements has ruined that and now everyone wants instant gratification..

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:49:14 No.23245357 Report

Quoted By: >>23245364 >>23245409

>>23245333
That HGSS's Frontier has "more replayable content" is only a thing that your brain is making up, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:49:27 No.23245360 Report

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>>23243966
>
Like yeah, every gen introduced / got rid of concepts, but Gen 2 fixed so many things wrong about the original games while introducing things on its own that all work together in one great package.

This, this was Gen 2s greatest strength. Frankly it doesn't really matter today, but it also means that you can't really fathom how good Gen 2 really was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:49:46 No.23245364 Report

Quoted By: >>23245378 >>23245415

>>23245357
>He thinks the Maison isn't literally a one-floor Battle Tower

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:50:07 No.23245367 Report

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>>23245042
I agree with everything except that I actually loved GSC and HGSS.
Although I won't deny those games had problems like feeling empty or bad pokemon distribution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:52:08 No.23245378 Report

Quoted By: >>23245390

>>23245364
>he thinks that there's more to the Frontier than getting all the Gold Symbols
Being more "gimmicky" "fun" or "epik" doesn't make it longer.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:54:07 No.23245390 Report

Quoted By: >>23245405

>>23245378
>It takes longer to "beat" the Maison than to get all Gold Symbols in every Facility

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:55:54 No.23245401 Report

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>implying gen2 wasn't empty and boring
>implying HGSS is better than Platinum, BW2, Emerald or XY, in my opinion

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:56:13 No.23245405 Report

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>>23245390
Emerald one, no. PtHGSS, yes. Not to mention that unlike that one, from XY to ORAS you have new toys to play with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:57:02 No.23245409 Report

Quoted By: >>23245468

>>23245357
But it is.

You have the Battle Tower which is the same amount of content as the Maison, don't even argue "but the Maison has five trophies while the Tower has one!" because I don't fucking care about that, I'm specifically talking about -replayable- content.

Then you have four other facilities that change how you play. Maybe you don't like them, and that's fine, I don't like all the PtHGSS facilities either. But they're there, and the Tower has just as much replayability as the Maison since both are endless battles. People who find the differences in the other Frontier facilities to be fun get more things they enjoy replaying, people who pass them off as gimmicks like you still get the Tower.

Contrast with ORAS, where people like you don't see a difference because you don't like the other facilities, but the people that liked any of those other facilities lose out on content they enjoyed replaying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:57:43 No.23245415 Report

Quoted By: >>23245420 >>23245541

>>23245364
A Battle Tower with two added battle styles.
Gen 3 only gave Singles and Doubles. This has Singles, Doubles, Triples and Rotation.

Would have been nice if Inverse and Sky Battles could've been included, but it's still double the content of Ruby and Sapphire's Battle Tower.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 22:59:59 No.23245420 Report

Quoted By: >>23245430 >>23245468

>>23245415
You are aware that, if Triple and Rotation battles were in Gen 3, they would've been included in the Tower, yes?

>Would have been nice if Sky Battles could've been included
Sky Battles need to be wiped from existence. Fucking refusing my Pokémon from battling even though it's a Flying-type that can learn Fly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 23:03:22 No.23245430 Report

Quoted By: >>23245460

>>23245420
>You are aware that, if Triple and Rotation battles were in Gen 3, they would've been included in the Tower, yes?
But they weren't, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 23:07:49 No.23245460 Report

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>>23245430
My point is you are saying a facility is better than five facilities because of mechanics updates. I am not factoring in those mechanics updates because if the Frontier were made today they would include those mechanics updates. The argument that mechanics updates give something more content are irrelevant because those mechanics updates would be included in anything created this Gen. We would have a Tower and a Factory and an Arcade and a Castle with Triples and Rotations. You might as well argue XY being better than all the games people like because it has updated mechanics from those generations regardless of the actual things in those games.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 23:09:31 No.23245468 Report

Quoted By: >>23245502 >>23245618 >>23245647

>>23245409
>because I don't fucking care about that
I don't fucking care about your shitty opinion either.
The -replayable- modes of the Maison are five. Just like the structures in PtHGSS's Frontier. Again, being more "gimmicky" "fun" or "epik" doesn't make it longer. You say the Maison modes don't count, but why? Why this idiotic distinction?

>>23245420
>You are aware that, if Triple and Rotation battles were in Gen 3, they would've been included in the Tower, yes?
>because if the Frontier were made today they would include those mechanics updates.
Yup. So with your awesome logic, where's my sixth Maison trophy? You know, the one for Inverse Battles?
And who the fuck are you to determine what would happen? They could've just have all the facilities but the Tower have just singles and doubles, making your logic go in the shitter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 23:14:39 No.23245502 Report

Quoted By: >>23245618 >>23245663 >>23245692

>>23245468
Okay, if you're going to call the Maison five modes because of that, the PtHGSS Frontier has -sixteen- (though only fifteen are still functional).

Every facility has single and double battles, which by your logic makes it count as two facilities. They also have multi-battles with another player, so now we're at three each. The Battle Tower also had an online mode where you fought against the teams of real players, so that's a sixteenth even if it's down now.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 23:20:43 No.23245541 Report

Quoted By: >>23245553 >>23245618 >>23245692

>>23245415
XY/ORAS
>Battle Maison
Singles, Doubles, Triples, Rotation, and Multi (co-op)

Pt/HGSS
>Battle Tower
Singles, Doubles, and Multi (co-op)
>Battle Factory
Singles or Doubles, with semi-random teams
>Battle Arcade
Singles or Doubles, with varying battle conditions
>Battle Castle
Singles, Doubles, and Multi (co-op), with a point-based progression system
>Battle Hall
Singles or Doubles, 1v1/2v2 battles focused on individual win streaks

Pt/HGSS also had Wi-Fi Multi Battle functionality, a feature that was downgraded to Singles in BW/2's Battle Subway and completely absent from Gen 6.

If you genuinely believe the Maison has objectively more content or replay value, and if you think they wouldn't have included Triples and Rotation modes in the updated facilities if they went through the trouble of recreating the Battle Frontier, you're fucking delusional

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 23:22:35 No.23245553 Report

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>>23245541
I know the others also had Multi co-op, I remember doing Multi-battles in the Factory with my sister when HGSS came out.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 23:37:30 No.23245618 Report

Quoted By: >>23245628 >>23245692

>>23245502
No. Your whole post is destroyed by the simple fact that you need to do those modes to get the trophies, just like you need to change facilities to get all symbols. No one gives a shit if the Pyramid would have Doubles and Triples: you just have to beat the boss twice to get the symbol and that's what counts, just like you need to beat the lolis twice to get a Maison trophy.

>>23245541
>and if you think they wouldn't have included Triples and Rotation modes in the updated facilities if they went through the trouble of recreating the Battle Frontier, you're fucking delusional
see
>>23245468

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 23:40:01 No.23245628 Report

Quoted By: >>23245643 >>23245663

>>23245618
>I can't argue with the fact that muh Maison has much less content than even the watered down Gen IV Frontier, so I'll deflect the argument into being about cheevos that can only add further replay value to the Frontier and GF being grossly incompetent

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 23:43:31 No.23245643 Report

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>>23245628
>i think that it being more "gimmicky" "fun" or "epik" make it somehow longer

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 23:44:32 No.23245647 Report

Quoted By: >>23245663

>>23245468
>>23245643
>I don't like thing, so it doesn't count

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 23:46:38 No.23245654 Report

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>>23243900
Dubs confirm YOU have shit taste

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 23:48:28 No.23245663 Report

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>>23245647
>>23245628
>>23245502
>i don't like thing, so it doesn't count

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 23:54:55 No.23245692 Report

Quoted By: >>23245777

>>23245618
The Frontier also has both gold and silver symbols; while you need to beat easy modo in the Maison to get to hard mode, you don't actually get a symbol from it.

Not to mention the Battle Tower gives out ribbons in PtHGSS. You get two with the silver and gold symbols respectively, there's one you can only get with a 50 win streak in Doubles, two you can only get with a 50 win streak in Multi (one requires an AI partner and one requires a second player). The Maison only gives you two ribbons throughout that don't change for battle type.

Also, from the start I've been talking about REPLAYABLE content, I specified that even in my first post. You only get the trophy once; afterward you have an endless battle tower. Once you get the gold symbols in each facility, you have five different endless facilities, and before you go "it's still five in the Maison" remember that according to your logic this Frontier has sixteen going by >>23245502 and >>23245541

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Anonymous Tue 14 Apr 2015 23:59:52 No.23245720 Report

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>>23243900
Gen 2 used to be my favorite generation, then gen 3 was.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2015 00:11:26 No.23245777 Report

Quoted By: >>23245912

>>23245692
>The Frontier also has both gold and silver symbols; while you need to beat easy modo in the Maison to get to hard mode, you don't actually get a symbol from it.
Never said anything opposing this.

>Not to mention the Battle Tower gives out ribbons in PtHGSS. You get two with the silver and gold symbols respectively, there's one you can only get with a 50 win streak in Doubles, two you can only get with a 50 win streak in Multi (one requires an AI partner and one requires a second player). The Maison only gives you two ribbons throughout that don't change for battle type.
I admit i totally forgot about these ribbons.

And the last point is a no because, as i already pointed out,having gimmicks and the likes doesn't make it longer. Use whatever logic you want. The fact stays: once you get the symbols/trophies, it's over. Any subsequent play is just because one wished to do so.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2015 00:16:06 No.23245796 Report

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I find it funny that faggots in this thread are shitting on Gold and Silver's plot. Other than the first two generations, the plot of every pokemon game is retarded anime tier. Saving the world is a really shit plot line, especially in the stupid "Kid saves everyone." way that Pokemon does it. At least the first two gens just try to be simple and keep it focused on inner development and development of your bond to your Pokes.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Apr 2015 00:34:10 No.23245912 Report

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>>23245777
>Any subsequent play is just because one wished to do so.

Which is my ENTIRE POINT. The Maison does not make me want to play it again. The Frontier, with its huge variety in Emerald and lesser but still good variety in Platinum, makes me want to go back and play it again. This conversation made me take out my SoulSilver and start playing the Battle Hall during this argument.

If you don't like those extra modes fine, but it's a larger variety of content to replay. I don't play games for the equivalent of XBox Live achievements, I play them because I enjoy them. I enjoy the variety of the the Frontiers, it causes me to return to Emerald and play those facilities again. The Maison doesn't make me want to turn on ORAS and play it because it's the same single facility every time, I can't decide to take a break from my bred team to go play with randoms, or decide to play with some more randomness in the Pike or Arcade, or anything like that. That variety is why I and others hold the Frontier in high regard and hold the Maison in contempt.

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