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>>23258410
>I've never heard of cultural appropriation
Totem poles have significant meaning to various Native American tribe and trivializing them is disrespectful, demeaning, and racist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:19:44 No.23258434 Report

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>>23258427
Basing a pokemon on it isn't trivializing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:20:51 No.23258439 Report

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>>23258425
so? how does that make it racist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:21:14 No.23258442 Report

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>>23258427
So pretending like Native American culture never/doesn't exist at all is better?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:22:04 No.23258447 Report

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>>23258439
it looks like a niatude

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:22:19 No.23258448 Report

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>>23258425
Hey, would you look at that, slanted eyes AND feathers

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:23:32 No.23258458 Report

Quoted By: >>23258484 >>23258494

>>23258448
no slanted eyes
no red feather things that look like a long injun hair

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:24:05 No.23258460 Report

Quoted By: >>23258471

>>23258427
Hey shitlord how about you shut up and let actually WoC speak? Oh that's right, you would rather lump all native Americans into one homogenous group so that you can pretend like all your stereotypical appropriated symbols are accurate. NO, totem poles were not important to "native Americans" they were important to SOME tribes . Not every Native American had the same traditions so don't go around. Saying what is and isn't important to native americans

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:25:47 No.23258468 Report

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>>23258375
> I don't know what racist means

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:25:53 No.23258469 Report

Quoted By: >>23258605 >>23258682

>>23258427
Thing is, are any actual Native Americans upset about this or this just a case of white people getting upset for someone else?

An important element of cultural appropriation is that harm is being done to the people being appropriated, for example, when black people pioneered rock and roll music, but the white artists pushed by the racist publishers at the time got all the credit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:25:57 No.23258471 Report

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>>23258460
Various

more than one; individual and separate.
"various people arrived late"
synonyms: diverse, different, differing, varied, varying, a variety of, assorted, an assortment of, mixed, myriad, sundry, miscellaneous, heterogeneous, disparate, motley; literarydivers

Some, not all, anon. Take your finger off the trigger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:26:31 No.23258474 Report

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>>23258447
>so? how does that make it racist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:27:03 No.23258477 Report

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>>23258427
>racist.
you have no idea what that word means do you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:27:06 No.23258478 Report

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>>23258474
sorry meant native

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:28:06 No.23258484 Report

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>>23258458
>no slanted eyes
yeah, fuck off

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:28:28 No.23258487 Report

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>>23258478
I know but you didn't answer my question

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:29:38 No.23258494 Report

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>>23258458
>tries to argue a Pokemon design is racist
>uses a derogatory racist term while doing so

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:30:39 No.23258496 Report

Quoted By: >>23258538 >>23258554 >>23258769

>>23258487
jynx looks like a black person so it's racist
hawlucha and ludicolo look like mexicans so they're racist
honchkrow looks like a italian so it's racist
xatu looks like a native so it's native

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:30:54 No.23258498 Report

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>>23258494
ITT: Trolls trolling trolls

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:34:24 No.23258538 Report

Quoted By: >>23258579 >>23258591

>>23258496
the thing is, your first example is based off of a race, while the latter are based off of cultures. for ex, hawlucha isn't based on a mexican, its based on a wrestler, and honchrow isn't based on an italian, it's based off of the mafia culture

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:36:28 No.23258554 Report

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>>23258496
wrong
wrong
wrong
wrong

references aren't racist. they need to show discrimination and or imply inferiority to become racist.

nidoking and nidoqueen aren't sexist just because they refer to genders.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:38:40 No.23258579 Report

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>>23258538
I thought it was pretty well known that Jynx is based off the Japanese ganguro fad. It makes sense since it started right in the mid-90s and peaked in the late-90s when gen 1 was being made.

It just has the unfortunate effect of Jynx coming off as blackface to the western audience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:40:23 No.23258591 Report

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>>23258538
>>23258554
Xatu is different because it's based on a sacred object

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:40:32 No.23258594 Report

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>>23258579
this, I wish they would have educated the customers instead of making jynx purple

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:41:32 No.23258603 Report

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>>23258591
then you can see it as offensive towards religion but NOT racist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:41:44 No.23258605 Report

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>>23258591
Please respond to
>>23258469

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:42:05 No.23258610 Report

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryWCmvnIzLs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:51:12 No.23258682 Report

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>>23258469
>>23258605
I'm from the Tlingit tribe and lived on a reservation in Canada until I was 20. My people still hold totem poles in high regard, even going so far as to deny requests for crafting totem poles to outsiders even when good sums of money were involved.

My family was never too interested in pokemon when I was growing up but I know for damn sure that they wouldn't be happy about seeing Xatu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:56:54 No.23258722 Report

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>>23258375
HE

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:57:13 No.23258727 Report

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>>23258427
It's a bird. Also this isn't cultural appropriation, it's culture having an influence on art. Other cultures have always influenced designs in worlds with their own differing cultures.

Maybe if they'd designed a Gym Leader who dressed in Native American clothes but looked Asian or white then yes that would be considered cultural appropriation but a bird that looks like a sculpture of a bird is not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 01:57:44 No.23258731 Report

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>>23258610
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2nobA4Ixvo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 02:01:27 No.23258769 Report

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>>23258496
Jynx is based on teenage Japanese girls from the 90s, fuck off with your "muh racism"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 02:07:40 No.23258817 Report

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>>23258682
But you still didn't answer what harm Xatu is doing. Yes, it's an important object Xatu is based on, but is this depiction offensive? How so?
It's not a stereotype.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 02:10:05 No.23258833 Report

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>>23258682
it doesnt atter how offended you do or do not get at xatus appearance and even if there was a totem pooping pokemon, it would not be racist simply because it's targeted to religion, not race

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 02:13:43 No.23258863 Report

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>>23258817
It's disrespectful for tribal imagery to be used by non-tribe members.

It's a bird, which can be taken as representing several different totem characters, each of which represent different aspects of our culture.

It would be like a pokemon being based on a crucifix. While it may not be inherently offensive or intended to be so, it's definitely disrespectful.

Note: I didn't start this thread or this chain conversation, I'm just weighing in

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Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 02:14:14 No.23258872 Report

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I'm a spic and this thing genuinely offends me. Goddamn shitlords.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 02:14:17 No.23258875 Report

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>>23258682
Yes, totem poles exist. But why is basing Xatu on a totem pole offensive?

If Jynx were based on blackface instead of Ganguro girls, it would be offensive because blackface is a historically racist practice, not simply because black people exist.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 02:18:01 No.23258926 Report

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuE-gBUIccM

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Anonymous Fri 17 Apr 2015 02:26:38 No.23258989 Report

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>>23258872
orale wey no mames pinche pendejo

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