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Anonymous Fri 01 May 2015 14:19:45 No.23347625 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>23347660 >>23347704 >>23359767

fuck off aegislash edition

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Anonymous Fri 01 May 2015 14:20:32 No.23347630 Report

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nice drawing

ban ofc lmfao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 May 2015 14:21:13 No.23347633 Report

Quoted By: >>23347636 >>23347655

There is no need for this thread. Everyone on /vp/ is already a Pokémon master. Go educate Smogon and Serebii instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 May 2015 14:21:55 No.23347636 Report

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>>23347633
sorry im going to go post this on gamefaqs now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 May 2015 14:24:12 No.23347646 Report

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PoorMeme

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Anonymous Fri 01 May 2015 14:25:01 No.23347655 Report

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>>23347633
yeah all the other threads on /vp/ are needed though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 May 2015 14:28:05 No.23347660 Report

Quoted By: >>23347668 >>23352134

>>23347625
I hate stall so goddamn much

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 May 2015 14:32:41 No.23347668 Report

Quoted By: >>23347679

>>23347660
run kyurem-b or nastypass + mega ampharos

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 May 2015 14:35:30 No.23347679 Report

Quoted By: >>23352930

>>23347668
>tfw fairies
>tfw M-scizor
>tfw can't run subroost with hone claws and Dtail, the best stallbreaking Kyube set

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 May 2015 14:48:07 No.23347704 Report

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>>23347625
OP fucked up the link, old thread is here
>>23309789

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Anonymous Fri 01 May 2015 16:29:53 No.23348123 Report

Quoted By: >>23348474

>Salamence still not BL

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Anonymous Fri 01 May 2015 17:42:36 No.23348474 Report

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>>23348123
>wanting Salamence to be BL
He's fine. Scarf mence has de-emphasized scarfdreigon and with more fairies plus doublade rising and dragons dropping the tier will balance itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 May 2015 23:41:53 No.23350452 Report

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stop fucking letting this die holy fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2015 00:02:50 No.23350561 Report

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Haven't had the time to get reqs but if I had reqs I'd vote keep sward banned

>people taking match up as a serious issue

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Anonymous Sat 02 May 2015 04:44:49 No.23351984 Report

Quoted By: >>23352026

What are the viable ways of playing Skarmory? I'm not sure how much I like stall/wall Skarmory and suicide lead hazard Skarmory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2015 04:53:21 No.23352026 Report

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>>23351984
It what skarmory does best

But you can run offensive if you wanna be different
Either weakness policy +automise
but its rather gimicky

Or more support with defog or tailwind maybe

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Anonymous Sat 02 May 2015 05:37:56 No.23352134 Report

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>>23347660
Just play a team made solely for fucking with stall. Manaphy, Stallbreaker Mew, Kyube, MegaBanshee, etc. You won't necessarily fare well against most people, but you'll have a lot of fun against full stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2015 11:01:24 No.23352922 Report

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ou no mega is good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2015 11:11:14 No.23352930 Report

Quoted By: >>23353327

>>23347679
Kyu-B can bait and destroy Mega Scizor with HP Fire, but Mega Scizor isn't common on stall now that Mega Sableye exists.
As for fairies, Iron Head is enough to deal with them. Kyu-B is perfectly able to smash stall with its LO set, so run that if you really hate that playstyle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2015 13:32:03 No.23353327 Report

Quoted By: >>23353345 >>23353353

>>23352930
Stall is also easy to make plays against. If you manage to keep hazards up you can apply enough pressure to just break it, unless you have an unwinnable matchup. Stall has to be played passively, making it an objectively shitty playstyle for like ladder environement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2015 13:36:19 No.23353345 Report

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>>23353327
I laddered with stall up to 1900's and I don't remember it being any worse than any other playstyle tbh. It takes 3-5 times more because battles last much longer, but the battles themselves aren't much harder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2015 13:38:20 No.23353353 Report

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>>23353327
Though I should probably specify that I laddered when Mega Sableye was still new and most players had no idea how to deal with that thing aside from the obvious fairy types (but my stall team was specifically built to handle them). Now people are more prepared to deal with the damn thing so I'm not sure if laddering with a stall team is still a good idea.

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Anonymous Sat 02 May 2015 13:49:16 No.23353390 Report

Quoted By: >>23353520 >>23353527

What will /cpg/ do if Aegislash gets unbanned?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2015 14:23:39 No.23353520 Report

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>>23353390
start running more ground types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2015 14:26:00 No.23353527 Report

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>>23353390
quit ou

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2015 23:31:15 No.23356210 Report

Quoted By: >>23356222

dont die fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2015 23:34:05 No.23356222 Report

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>>23356210
aegislash killed us all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2015 23:48:28 No.23356292 Report

Quoted By: >>23356297

Will Budew be usable in the online little cup competition?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 May 2015 23:49:14 No.23356297 Report

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>>23356292
is it 6v6?
I think budew has a niche in toxic spikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 00:03:16 No.23356382 Report

Quoted By: >>23357016

I generally ignore ou but is aegis getting unbanned? What does it look like?

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Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 02:07:27 No.23356997 Report

Quoted By: >>23357014 >>23357902 >>23357917 >>23358977 >>23360356

Can someone explain to me why no one uses Mega Garchomp? It has 170 base attack! If you invest in SpA as well, you have 377 & 372 Atk & SpA respectively, and nearly 300 Spe as well. Doesn't that make him a really good mixed sweeper? Does the -10 base speed hurt him too much? Am I just talking out of my ass? I've never tested it so I wouldn't know, but on paper this sounds pretty cool to me. Why isn't it done?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 02:10:31 No.23357014 Report

Quoted By: >>23357019

>>23356997
It's Kyurem-B with no items and prevents other pokemon on your team from mega evolving.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 02:10:54 No.23357016 Report

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>>23356382
It's not getting unbanned, that's what I can gather

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 02:11:23 No.23357019 Report

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>>23357014
wow you're right
ok sorry that was retarded
thanks anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 05:06:11 No.23357902 Report

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>>23356997
its generally not worth it over other megas like diancie, metagross or mega altaria, however its not bad per se.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 05:09:27 No.23357917 Report

Quoted By: >>23359000

>>23356997
because normal garchomp is good on its own and can fill a bunch of roles without wasting a megaslot

megachomps ability is useless outside of sand and if you've noticed a lot of megas are really only used for their ability

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 11:56:56 No.23358977 Report

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>>23356997
Because you're allowed one Mega, and the other Megas are better Plus Garchomp with just a life orb is stronk enough on its own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 12:01:56 No.23358996 Report

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Does PokeGTS.us still work with Black and White 2? Seeing as Nintendo wifi is down and all that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 12:03:59 No.23359000 Report

Quoted By: >>23363249

>>23357917
y'know i was gonna argue agaisnt this but your kinda right since gallade dropped to UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 12:07:13 No.23359007 Report

Quoted By: >>23359009 >>23359023

will anything else get e retest mega mawile,Lucario or was just aegislash the concern?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 12:09:36 No.23359009 Report

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>>23359007
Haunter has a giant fucking boner for Aegis, it's why he even introduced "aegislash without King's shield".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 12:15:23 No.23359023 Report

Quoted By: >>23359168

>>23359007
Some people seem to have a hard on for Genesect as the next big "Savior of OU" but I don't think it's going to happen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 13:13:38 No.23359168 Report

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>>23359023
If aegis doesn't come back genesect nowhere in life is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 13:28:38 No.23359207 Report

Quoted By: >>23359691 >>23359914

Gamefreak's LC has got me wanting to try out the LC format on showdown, but I don't know how exactly everything in that tier works. The format itself has no tiers and the smogon strategydex lists everything regardless of true viability. I was planning to just make a team of pokemon I like and then test the ladder on an alt.

Is drifloon viable? I was planning to use an endure + weakness policy set coupled with vulpix to remove hail and sand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 15:31:50 No.23359691 Report

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>>23359207
Drifloon with weakness policy is pretty weak to priority, but luckily you are immune to mach punch and can checkmate Pawniard with destiny bond as well as vacuum wave + sucker punch croagunk.

He's okay with proper support, but when a team can have 3 or 4 priority users it can get difficult. He might be okay on hyper offence.

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Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 15:45:50 No.23359767 Report

Quoted By: >>23359800

>>23347625

Noob with no reading comprehension here;

Stupid question:

Newest round of Smogon tests has just been finished and sizeable changes have taken place, yet I don't know how Megas are affected.

Pokemon like Alakazam and Camerupt have risen one tier, but I don't know if the same change applies to their Mega forms.

While some regular Pokemon are placed on a lower tier than their Mega evolutions, some still remain on the same tier - which only adds further confusion as to how it is supposed to be read.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 15:54:27 No.23359800 Report

Quoted By: >>23359817 >>23359855

>>23359767
when a mega is banned, it is not the pokemon itself that gets banned, just the stone.

Therefore, when one is banned the base form (usually worse) drops. Eg, mega kang. Mega is good, too good. But the base form is kinda shit. So when the megastone gets banned, kanga falls from usage.

There is no example of a mega being a lower tier than its base form. It's impossible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 15:57:46 No.23359817 Report

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>>23359800
Unless you include borderline as a tier. Then megas who have base forms that outclass them drop to the lower tier's borderline. They don't have high enough usage to be in the tier but can't be used in lower tiers since they wouldn't have their base.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 16:06:47 No.23359855 Report

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>>23359800

Thanks for clarification, anon.
It felt somewhat understandable at first, but then a few arguments over "UU broken" due to "sudden Mega Gallade in UU" broke out and all clarity has been lost as I forgot that Mega is treated as a different pokemon altogether.

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Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 16:16:55 No.23359914 Report

Quoted By: >>23359964

>>23359207
All the pokemon that commonly carry attacks that would activate WP on drifloon also carry priority.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 16:29:05 No.23359964 Report

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>>23359914
Also, which I forgot to mention, WP drifloon is absolutely dependent on its item activating. Without it you have no speed, no power, no usable acrobatic. Any smart player is just going to blast you with neutral STAB attacks.

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Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 17:28:04 No.23360274 Report

Quoted By: >>23360281 >>23360292

>the room cpg does not exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 17:29:18 No.23360281 Report

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>>23360274
Maybe now the thread won't die since you'll have to post here and you can't have people ghost you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 17:30:40 No.23360292 Report

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>>23360274
its modjoin right now and it wont be going off for like another half an hour

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Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 17:33:22 No.23360312 Report

Quoted By: >>23360328 >>23360346

What are some good teammates?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 17:35:24 No.23360328 Report

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>>23360312
things weak to rocks and volt turn things

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 17:38:13 No.23360346 Report

Quoted By: >>23360713

>>23360312
Dedicated metagross and scizor counters.

The rest is gonna be dependent on your set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 17:39:16 No.23360356 Report

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>>23356997
He needs more speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 18:43:00 No.23360713 Report

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>>23360346
Scarf Sweeper Heatran?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 18:48:52 No.23360744 Report

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>last gen
>carvanha banned from LC
>this gen
>dark buffed no longer resisted by steel
>carvanha eligible in LC

wut

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Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 19:04:46 No.23360840 Report

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>building my drifloon team
>want Vulpix because sun removes hail and sand
>need croagunk on my team to deal with carvanha and just general priority+typing
>sun hurts croagunk because dry skin

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Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 20:38:36 No.23361434 Report

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>select my attack
>showdown says waiting for opponent
>timer is still ticking down on my side
>lose to time out because zarel can't code

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 23:30:02 No.23362769 Report

Quoted By: >>23362771

fuck mgyara

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 23:30:29 No.23362771 Report

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>>23362769
>still playing OU

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 03 May 2015 23:39:07 No.23362831 Report

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>there are people that use pokemon appropriate for the tier they play in
how's it feel being bad and not having fun?

Sujan - 0817-4683-5322

Sujan - 0817-4683-5322 Sun 03 May 2015 23:54:10 No.23362934 Report

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whats the best way to go about getting a defog lati?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 May 2015 00:29:12 No.23363179 Report

Quoted By: >>23363184

Can I get some help? I'm like 12/3 right now but the last few games were a super close call so I'm looking for a team a little sturdier. Mienfoo is a massive problem (unless they don't have pawniard then it's often a sweep because ELO hell and drifloon cleans house after an endured knock off)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 May 2015 00:30:15 No.23363184 Report

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>>23363179
Drifloon @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Unburden
Level: 5
EVs: 196 Atk / 116 SpA / 196 Spe
Mild Nature
- Acrobatics
- Destiny Bond
- Shadow Ball
- Endure

Vulpix @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Drought
Level: 5
EVs: 4 HP / 196 SpA / 68 SpD / 240 Spe
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Energy Ball
- Dark Pulse
- Hidden Power [Rock]

Pawniard @ Eviolite
Ability: Defiant
Level: 5
EVs: 156 Atk / 36 Def / 116 SpD / 196 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Sucker Punch
- Knock Off
- Iron Head
- Brick Break

Timburr @ Eviolite
Ability: Guts
Level: 5
EVs: 116 Atk / 156 Def / 236 SpD
Careful Nature
- Drain Punch
- Mach Punch
- Knock Off
- Bulk Up

Tirtouga @ Eviolite
Ability: Solid Rock
Level: 5
EVs: 84 HP / 252 Def / 12 SpA / 156 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Scald
- Stone Edge
- Aqua Jet

Ferroseed @ Eviolite
Ability: Iron Barbs
Level: 5
EVs: 84 HP / 36 Atk / 188 Def / 148 SpD / 36 Spe
Careful Nature
- Leech Seed
- Bullet Seed
- Spikes
- Protect

forgot team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 May 2015 00:32:36 No.23363206 Report

Quoted By: >>23363212 >>23363271

I want to make a 6-choice item trick team because I think it has potential, especially in Stall: The Meta

What are some good/unexpected users of trick or switcheroo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 May 2015 00:33:47 No.23363212 Report

Quoted By: >>23363271

>>23363206

For OU that is

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 May 2015 00:40:15 No.23363249 Report

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>>23359000
He did? Noooooooo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 May 2015 00:43:50 No.23363271 Report

Quoted By:

>>23363206
>>23363212
There's a lot of better ways to deal with stall than 6 trick users, although that is an excellent way to do so. also the ladder only gets truly stall centric towards the top of the ladder, so just make a regular team, and when you see the ladder getting stall oriented switch to a dedicated stall breaking team.

Scarf Victini with final gambit can be absolutely devasting for stall teams, since it just instantly removes one of their members and every member on a stall team is pivotal. Kyurem-Black excels at destroying stall teams.

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Anonymous Mon 04 May 2015 03:39:45 No.23364146 Report

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>I lose almost triple what I get for winning

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Anonymous Mon 04 May 2015 14:40:25 No.23365863 Report

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Do people still play B&W online?

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