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>>23375888
>needing specific pokemon to handle another specific pokemon

Isn't this why shit like Greninja and Aegislash are banned?
>expecting Smogon to not be hypocrites and just massive pussies that ban whatever they feel like

Oh, right. My bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 02:27:20 No.23375915 Report

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>>23375905
well i mean youre asking why SMOGON hasnt banned him from a SMOGON metagame so ...?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 02:28:24 No.23375919 Report

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>>23375915
I didn't ask anything, I'm just saying they're faggots, m8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 02:31:00 No.23375936 Report

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Because he is the Smogon's mascot

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 02:32:22 No.23375952 Report

Quoted By: >>23376010

that is why people play UU and RU and NU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 02:46:13 No.23376010 Report

Quoted By: >>23376111

>>23375952

Are PU and FU valid tier selections or am I just drunk?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 03:02:37 No.23376077 Report

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Why is Fletchling still not banned from LC?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 03:08:49 No.23376111 Report

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>>23376010
PU is playable on Showdown, but FU isn't an official metagame, at least not yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 03:30:27 No.23376237 Report

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>>23375875
Stealth Rock?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 03:32:39 No.23376246 Report

Quoted By: >>23376267 >>23379577

>>23375875
I don't know why you think 120 BP + STAB + Choice Band/Life Orb/etc + Priority is in any way not balanced

I mean, it certainly prevents almost every single Bug from being OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 03:37:22 No.23376267 Report

Quoted By: >>23376278

>>23376246
Weakness to Rock, Fire, and Flying, Stealth Rocks, and being resisted by a whopping seven types are what doom Bug types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 03:39:47 No.23376278 Report

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>>23376267
Talonflame is the current final nail in bug-type's coffin. There'll probably be a few more next gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 04:00:58 No.23376381 Report

Quoted By: >>23376970

>>23375905

>Talonflame has a three paragraphed essay listing checks

>Greninja is checked by four or five mons in the entire Pokedex

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 04:02:41 No.23376389 Report

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>>23375875
le will o wisp
le meme bird
le roost
le <who cares>
Yeah, nah, fuck this thing.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 04:23:33 No.23376508 Report

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because

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 06:16:46 No.23376970 Report

Quoted By: >>23379926

>>23376381
Slap a scarf onto anything with mediocre speed and it becomes a greninja check

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 06:17:43 No.23376972 Report

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u mad lol

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 18:40:10 No.23379487 Report

Quoted By: >>23379502

>2015
>2000 and fucking 15
>scrubs still hating on based Talonbro

Based bird and Bravest bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 18:42:38 No.23379502 Report

Quoted By: >>23379615

>>23379487
No ones hating on it, in factits wuite the opposite. Its TOO good and needs to go up to ubers where it will finally have a meta that can handle it. Ho-oh can be moved to OU to fill in talinflames role.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 18:54:25 No.23379565 Report

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Why the fuck would it be

Checked by so much stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 18:56:06 No.23379577 Report

Quoted By: >>23379593

>>23376246
Yes and he's also why so many grass types and fighting types are shit in OU

Oh wait

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 18:58:59 No.23379593 Report

Quoted By: >>23379628

>>23379577
Grass types are already shit, you don't need Talon to prove anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 19:03:33 No.23379615 Report

Quoted By: >>23379878

>>23379502
I hate it. It's the ugliest Pokémon in my opinion, the hunchback just looks retarded, especially after Fletchinder (my favorite gen 6 mon) had such an amazing model and design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 19:06:30 No.23379628 Report

Quoted By: >>23379959

>>23379593
Why are celebi breloom venusaur ferrothorn and serperior ou then

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 19:45:32 No.23379861 Report

Quoted By: >>23379905

>>23375875
OP you are reaching new levels of faggot with this post.

Talonflame has a huge number of things that wall it and can check it.

Allthough it's viable in Ubers it isn't broken enough to get there. You'd have to be fucking inane thinking that a regional bird that cant switch thanks le charizard syndrome and has only 81 Base Attack is ban worthy!

Talonbro5life!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 19:50:50 No.23379878 Report

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>>23379615
my opinion is that you have to kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 19:55:15 No.23379905 Report

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>>23379861
>Talonflame has a huge number of things that wall it and can check it.
>doesn't mention anything at all
Yeah okay faggot.

>You need a specific pokemon to wall this pokemon!
Pretty sure needing specific pokemon to counter another pokemon is the reason why a bunch of shit is banned to begin with dipshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 19:55:41 No.23379908 Report

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>81 base attack
>most of its BST are pumped into speed
>main use is spamming priority courageous cardinal
>weak to rocks

Talonflame is balanced by the fact that, if it didn't have Gale Wings, it'd be a complete shitmon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 19:57:42 No.23379919 Report

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Talonflame is not that powerful without a boost, has a 4x Stealth Rock weakness, kills itself with recoil, and Brave Bird resists are very common. If you can't handle Talonflame at all, your team has zero physically bulky Pokemon. Try fixing that before trying to ban it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 19:59:13 No.23379926 Report

Quoted By: >>23379942 >>23379979

>>23376970

Greninja has checks, Talonflame has counters. There are many Pokemon that give zero fucks about anything Talonflame can possibly do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:02:35 No.23379942 Report

Quoted By: >>23379987 >>23380014

>>23379926
Chansey
Porygon-2
Gyarados
Skuntank
Umbreon

Now go ahead and tell me how my counters don't count because they'll be KO'd upon team preview.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:06:05 No.23379959 Report

Quoted By: >>23380070 >>23380602

>>23379628
Celebi is indeed shit and it's dropping in usage.
Breloom is forced to run Focus Sash and Spore is literally the only thing that keeps it in OU.
Mega Venusaur is also dropping in usage because stall is better off with Sableye and balanced with Altaria. It has no place in HO.
Ferrothorn isn't weak to Brave Bird.
Serperior is shiny new toy syndrome.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:09:04 No.23379979 Report

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>>23379926
Having no true counters was not even the thing that made Greninja banworthy. It was having very low number of true checks (that is mons that can check every viable set Greninja can run).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:09:37 No.23379987 Report

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>>23379942
Your "counters" don't work because they're checks, not counters. The only exception is Skuntank, but it is the only Pokemon below Ubers to counter Greninja, and is absolutely useless outside that role.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:11:47 No.23380014 Report

Quoted By: >>23380081

>>23379942

Gyarados cannot switch into Greninja if Stealth Rock is on the field. Porygon2, Chansey and Umbreon lose to Taunt/Toxic Spikes variants or if they get poisoned by Gunk Shot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:15:08 No.23380036 Report

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>>23375875
because I got dubs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:18:58 No.23380070 Report

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>>23379959
>Serperior is shiny new toy syndrome.

every time

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:20:09 No.23380077 Report

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>/vp/ discussing read: baiting about smogon bans

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:20:26 No.23380081 Report

Quoted By: >>23380139 >>23380202

>>23380014
>using inferior greninja sets

By that logic talinflame has no counters because it can run a berry + natural gift to power through its counters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:29:17 No.23380139 Report

Quoted By: >>23380159 >>23380161

>>23380081

Gunk Shot was on 90% of Greninja before it was banned.It and Scald can put the three into 2HKO range without a problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:31:23 No.23380159 Report

Quoted By: >>23380171 >>23380219 >>23380252

>>23380139
So why not just ban Gunk Shots use on Greninja instead of banning greninja entirely?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:31:37 No.23380161 Report

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>>23380139
Talking about taunt and toxic spikes wasting a precious moveslot. If i thought gunkshot was bad i would have posted every fairy type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:32:38 No.23380171 Report

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>>23380159
Because smogon does't do complex bans. Except when they do (gen 5)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:35:44 No.23380193 Report

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>>23380171
>Because smogon does't do complex bans
>Except when they do

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:37:06 No.23380202 Report

Quoted By: >>23380215

>>23380081
There is no thing like an inferior greninja set, the reason greninja was banned is because it forced you to play retarded guessing games about what it was running

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:38:54 No.23380215 Report

Quoted By: >>23380236

>>23380202
Any time i see a greninja with taunt or toxic spikes, rarely btw, i just laugh and dismiss it as a threat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:39:26 No.23380219 Report

Quoted By: >>23380231 >>23380234

>>23380159

Why don't they ban U-Turn on Genesect instead of banning Genesect entirely?

Why don't they ban Dark Void on Darkrai instead of banning Darkrai entirely?

etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:40:54 No.23380231 Report

Quoted By: >>23380252

>>23380219
....so, why dont they?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:41:39 No.23380234 Report

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>>23380219
Why don't they ban swagger instead of banning klefki entirely :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:42:04 No.23380236 Report

Quoted By: >>23380255

>>23380215
Any LOGICAL greninja set

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:45:39 No.23380252 Report

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>>23380159
Why not ban Water-type moves on Kyogre?
Why not let Terrakion in UU as long as it's running moves with 60 BP or less?
I mean you can make some arguments for Ability/Mon complex bans, but as soon as you start singling out move/Mon combos you've jumped right the fuck off the slippery slope.
>>23380231
Because it's inefficient and makes tiering unnecessarily complicated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:46:09 No.23380255 Report

Quoted By: >>23380307

>>23380236
Taunt and toxic spikes aren't logical choices, it was

-Low Kick
-Ice Beam
-Gunk Shot
-Dark Pulse / Hydro / Extrasensory

Anything else was pretty shit.

>in b4 muh power up punch and shadow sneak

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:54:46 No.23380306 Report

Quoted By: >>23380350 >>23380387

>>23375888
>Talonflame "checks and counters"
>Corsola not listed

>Smogon knowing anything about the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:55:01 No.23380307 Report

Quoted By: >>23380330

>>23380255

What moves greninja should have entirely depends on what coverage the rest of your team has, its movepool is so diverse there really is no "best" or "worst" option

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 20:58:38 No.23380330 Report

Quoted By: >>23380354

>>23380307
>my team needs flying coverage so im going to use acrobatics. My opponent will never see it coming xD

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 21:00:57 No.23380350 Report

Quoted By: >>23380410

>>23380306
except corsola is shit lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 21:01:08 No.23380354 Report

Quoted By: >>23380378

>>23380330
>acrobatics
>viable

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 21:03:34 No.23380378 Report

Quoted By: >>23380388

>>23380354
Exactly so that means greninja has 5 hard counters

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 21:03:43 No.23380380 Report

Quoted By: >>23380403

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 21:04:24 No.23380387 Report

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>>23380306
Corsola with Rocky Helmet absolutely wrecks Talonflame's shit.

>252+ SpA Corsola Power Gem vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Talonflame: 336-396 (93.5 - 110.3%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

>+1 0 Atk Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Corsola: 46-55 (14.6 - 17.5%) -- possible 6HKO

>+1 0 Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Corsola: 93-110 (29.6 - 35%) -- 14.5% chance to 3HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 21:04:41 No.23380388 Report

Quoted By: >>23380397

>>23380378
You could run HP flying if you're a die hard autist

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 21:05:08 No.23380392 Report

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>>23375875
Get good you fucking faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 21:05:37 No.23380397 Report

Quoted By: >>23380418

>>23380388
or air cutter if you want to keep your priority

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 21:05:59 No.23380403 Report

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>>23380380
>Featuring Captain Falcon from the Falcon May Cry series

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 21:06:37 No.23380410 Report

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>>23380350
quick kill yourself immediately

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 21:07:24 No.23380418 Report

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>>23380397
Or aerial ace of course

greninja learns so much shit I forget about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 May 2015 21:28:46 No.23380602 Report

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>>23379959
>Serperior is shiny new toy syndrome.
If anything, it's the opposite. Everyone expected it to be too shit for OU.
>Stall is better off with Sableye
M.Venusaur has a better matchup against three of the five S-ranked Pokemon in OU, and Mega Sableye can't reliably switch into the other two either.
>Ferrothorn isn't weak to Brave Bird
Sure, but it it's not like you need priority to kill it with Flare Blitz.

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