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Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 15:26:44 No.23410436 View View Reply Original Report

Use pastebin if you want to show us your team! Don't be a faggot!

>Sites
http://nuggetbridge.com
http://eggyemporium.com (Wolfe Glick and Markus Stadter's VGC blog)
http://www.oldmanvgc.com/ (jap meta site, has English translations)

>YouTube channels
http://pastebin.com/B9UnHnqR

http://nuggetbridge.com/forums/topic/8765-pokemon-vgc-youtube-resources/ (ongoing youtube thread on NB, contains links I may have missed and is constantly being updated)

>Helpful links and articles
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/an-early-vgc-2015-metagame-overview/
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/vgc-15-pokemon-speed-tiers/
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/flawless-bust-catch-perfect-legendary-pokemon-omega-ruby-alpha-sapphire/
http://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/battle/oras/#double (usage stats and recommendations)
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/defend-yourself-with-a-question/ (how to stop playing like a fag)
http://nuggetbridge.com/damagecalc/ (VGC orientated damage calc)
http://survivalcalc.appspot.com/ (attack survival calculator)
http://www.teammagma.net/teambuilder/
http://www.pokemon-tools.com/xy/en/calc_speed/ (New!)

ToTT: do you think PS or BS is a better practice tool for preparing for American tournaments?

Old thread: >>23341572

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 15:36:29 No.23410477 Report

Quoted By: >>23410502

1st for slowest thread on the board

ToTT: BS for the timer if anything and you get less test teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 15:39:33 No.23410502 Report

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>>23410477
If bs had the shorter timer I'd probably agree with you.

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Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 16:07:29 No.23410670 Report

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>ToTT: do you think PS or BS is a better practice tool for preparing for American tournaments?
I'm not American.

There's not even events where I live either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 16:09:01 No.23410682 Report

Quoted By: >>23410742

>>23410152
>I'm too poor to go to events but I'm not poor enough to buy the equipment needed to make Youtube videos
Besides, sure, if you grew up poor you had an excuse then but you are an adult now. The only excuse you can possibly have is I don't have time to go to events because I'm busy.

I knew this guy was one special kind of retarded but goddamn son.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 16:18:56 No.23410742 Report

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>>23410682
I've met people who started playing like one or two years ago myself included that can still do consistently better than this faglord.

He just lacks common sense both for Pokemon and real life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 16:20:59 No.23410762 Report

Quoted By: >>23410777 >>23421888

>>23409040
>http://nuggetbridge.com/reports/bakery-fun-zone/
I've seen the transform shtick before. Does it work well?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 16:23:06 No.23410777 Report

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>>23410762
you can never go wrong with two Mega Khans

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 16:33:19 No.23410842 Report

Quoted By: >>23410947

>TotT: I've actually never used BS because I test my teams out before I make it, and I've never had time to BS test before tourneys.
Secondary question: Anyone ever gain infamy for using specific pokemon or a specific team? Like just made people mad butthurt for your comp or strats alone

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 16:34:23 No.23410853 Report

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Is anybody else unable to use Niggetbrodge? The calculator and forums work fine, but if I try to go to the frontpage it says "Error establishing a database connection".

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 16:46:45 No.23410947 Report

Quoted By: >>23410975 >>23410979 >>23411001 >>23412320

>>23410842
>My face when the scrubs on my area hate me because I use legends
I used to use Heatran on literally every team to the point they exclusively used rain teams while fighting me just to neuter my Heatran.

>My face when I started to pull manual sun on their faces

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 16:50:11 No.23410975 Report

Quoted By: >>23411063

>>23410947
I'm greatly surprised people don't use as much manual weather. It greatly counters weather set by abilities and because moves go after abilities when they hit the field they prevail.
I've been testing out a Ludicolo/Milotic combo with Rain Dance on Milotic holding a Damp Rock. Appearantly nobody sees it coming, and even if they do most things with prankster Can't beat Ludi's Fake Out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 16:50:42 No.23410979 Report

Quoted By: >>23411001

>>23410947
While I don't use legends for my own dumb reasons hating on people using them is just stupid.

And if I ever use one it would be Heatran because it's cool and good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 16:54:07 No.23411001 Report

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>>23410947
>>23410979
Heatran's always gotten my Gogoat just because of it's bulk and strength together. I sed to be against using legendaries out of principal, but even after I dropped that I've still always hated Heatran because of all the trouble he's given me. I've been contemplating using a sweeper variety.

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Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 17:03:15 No.23411063 Report

Quoted By: >>23411097 >>23411217 >>23412930 >>23438361

>>23410975
The problem with manual weather is that it's often not worth the effort or pulling out auto-weather is more efficient.

You have TTar for sand. Sand as a team archetype is practically dead so manual sand would be only for weather disruption, in which case TTar is better because TTar is TTar.

You have Abomasnow for Hail. Once more, dedicated hail teams are practically dead I have no fucking idea why, Hail is super duper good at killing literally everything that is popular right now, except maybe M-Metagross so it's used as disruption. Mostly, towards Rain as Abomasnow can't into TTar or Charizard Y.

Now we got Rain and Sun that can't be used for
"neutral" disruption as commonly like Sand and Hail because they affect way too much shit. The only times you use them for that is when you have both, something in your team that would benefit from the weather you'll set up for disruption AND the weather you will use for disruption completely fuck ups the type of team that completely fuck ups your own team.

Rain, is by far the most popular and solid team archetype for obvious reasons. Manual rain is often used mostly as just backup in case Politoed dies and for a SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER moment. For disruption? Not so much.

Sun is the bastard child of team archetype and disruption. Ninetales is ass and Charizard Y takes up a Mega slow so it's on a kind of awkward position. It's an archetype with moderate use on it's own right but Charizard is more often than not used on teams because Charizard is Charizard and not because people want to make dedicated Sun teams.

tl:dr

Auto-Hail/Sand for disruption. Manual Hail/Sand does not exist. Team archetype is dead.

Rain for team archetype. Manual Rain for surprise motherfucker.

Sun for disruption and team archetype but most team archetype are semi-Sun instead of full-on dedicated Sun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 17:07:54 No.23411097 Report

Quoted By: >>23411110 >>23438361

>>23411063
What's so good about hail outside of how many pokemon aren't immune to it and perfect Blizzards? With Sandstorm you get the SpD bonus, but does hail do anything to that effect?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 17:09:18 No.23411110 Report

Quoted By: >>23411249 >>23438361

>>23411097
>but does hail do anything to that effect?

In battle

Damages each Pokémon for 1/16 of its maximum HP, unless it is Ice-type; has one of the Abilities Ice Body, Snow Cloak, Magic Guard or Overcoat; or is holding Safety Goggles.
Activates the following Abilities: Forecast, Ice Body, and Snow Cloak.
Causes Forecast to change Castform to its Snowy Form.
Changes Weather Ball to a Ice-type move and doubles its power.
Allows Blizzard to bypass accuracy check (Generation V onward), or makes its accuracy 100% (in Generation IV).
In Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, allows Blizzard to hit through Protect and Detect 30% of the time.
Causes Solar Beam to deal only half its normal damage.
Causes Moonlight, Synthesis, and Morning Sun to recover ¼ of the user's maximum HP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 17:21:38 No.23411217 Report

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>>23411063
In my opinion it falls down on its abusers.

Hail while not terrible is only useful for Ice types and even then Ice types are ass and get killed by common attacking types, so while it kills a lot of what's good it also gets killed a lot by it and more. The two auto setters for it are infamous for their loadsa weaknesses but can pull their weight, sort of. The fact that it doesn't offer any damage or defensive boosts are what keep it from being an actually viable weather. Its abusers are exclusively Ice or part Ice types.

Sand is sort of similar but it can get more use of it thaks to the Sp. Def. boost for rock types and abilities like Sand Force and Sand Rush wich aren't limited only to Ground/Rock/Steel types but it still lacks something.

Sun gets a damage boost to Fire moves, wich is nice and Grass types can take advantage of it with Chlorophyll and/or 1 turn Solarbeams, Grass and Fire complement each other but Grass is still ass and auto Sun setters are limited to Ninetales and a Mega.

Rain while having only one auto setter is helpful to Water types wich are already good, by giving them a boost in power while the principal Rain abusers have access to Swift Swim AND stronger Rain boosted STAB while also having nice typings. No other weather can offer that combo and that's why Rain is actually solid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 17:24:48 No.23411249 Report

Quoted By: >>23411311 >>23411381 >>23438361

>>23411110
So basically chip damage, Blizzard, and the situational M Char Solarbeam negation? Doesn't sound all that useful to me.
The games are too short to bank off chip damage without out is serving another purpose, Char would just use Heat Wave or Overheat since most things that setup hail are ice typed, and Blizzard is probably easily predictable and stopped with Wide Guard.
Not saying it's useless, but I guess I can see why it's not as big of a thing. Without ice boosting power, some other type nerfing, or any global stat boost for Ice types just dwarfs the effects compared to the other types. Though I actually wanna try setting together a hail team. Probably with M Abomnasnow or use scarf Abomnasnow and a different mega.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 17:33:52 No.23411311 Report

Quoted By: >>23411381 >>23438361

>>23411249
The chip damage can be useful to break sashes because there are very few relevant ice types meaning very little is immune. Plus it compensates somewhat for low roll bs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 17:48:54 No.23411381 Report

Quoted By: >>23411398 >>23412943 >>23438361

>>23411311
>>23411249
What are good choices for a hail team?
As anon said, Abomnasnow is probably a must, but how about something with overcoat or maybe safety goggles Amoongus?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 17:51:59 No.23411398 Report

Quoted By: >>23438361

>>23411381
Investing in wide guard support might be a good idea, as rock slide would be problematic (not too many super fast ices out there and several are also frail)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 18:14:46 No.23411503 Report

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>>23410152
>I'm too poor to go to events but I'm not poor enough to buy the equipment needed to make Youtube videos
Also not too poor to throw down thousands of dollars for Kickstarters apparently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtheGDOEv_M

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Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 20:19:19 No.23412178 Report

Quoted By: >>23412901

As Alex said in the video, Wolfe could have won worlds in 2014 with a resistance a few points higher. Not to mention, his team got published online before the actual event. Considering that imo no one in top cut of worlds besides Sejun Park was as good as Wolfe, and how much difficulty Sejun had with gothitelle teams which Wolfe was running, in his own words:
>However, two players in the Last Chance Qualifier, America’s Wolfe Glick and Japan’s Shota Yamamoto, had teams with a strategy that I was weak to: Trick Room Gothitelle. As a result, I was very worried the day before Worlds. The fact that seven other people were also using Gothitelle was strange—I think that other people used it because Gothitelle was a good hidden card against Garchomp. I ended up playing against Gothitelle in round 2 and round 4 of the Swiss rounds. I lost the first set, but I managed to play really carefully and get past it in the second.

So yeah, bubbling out of worlds off a few percentage points when your fucking team was publishing online for everyone to see, in a year when you could have realistically won a world title. I would feel so fucking robbed if I were Wolfe. I wouldn't even wanna play the game anymore I don't think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 20:47:57 No.23412320 Report

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>>23410947
I'm not against legends, just landorus and thundurus

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 20:59:37 No.23412410 Report

Quoted By:

>>23404043
>Is there even another place to talk about VGC besides here? I seriously can't think of any.
Smogon's VGC forums are half dead but they've gotten vastly more active since 2015 began.

Their weekly tournaments are nice too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 22:16:31 No.23412901 Report

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>>23412178
Maybe this year will be Wolfe's year.

That shit about publishing the teams before the damn events were over is pretty damn stupid though. TCPi really needs to get it's shit together.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 22:21:44 No.23412930 Report

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>>23411063
Rain also has the advantage of fucking Charizards so hard that it's practically impossible to win a game if you have a Charizard and it's raining.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 22:24:06 No.23412943 Report

Quoted By: >>23438361

>>23411381
I used Nidoqueen as my secondary Blizzard spammer in a hailroom team. Also gets great coverage and kills things that threaten Abomasnow, like Mawile. Intimidators and things that can kill Charizard are useful too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 22:34:13 No.23413019 Report

Quoted By: >>23413100 >>23413176

how's this look

mega venu
arcanine
milotic
bisharp
terrakion
staraptor

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 22:44:46 No.23413100 Report

Quoted By: >>23413129 >>23413256 >>23416491

>>23413019
Boring and generic as fuck/10

Please be more original next time. Thank you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 22:47:49 No.23413129 Report

Quoted By: >>23413149 >>23413154 >>23413161

>>23413100
>arcanine, milotic, and staraptor are generic
sorry I'll go get my landorus and kangaskhan, fuccboi

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 22:50:57 No.23413149 Report

Quoted By: >>23415575

>>23413129
Those three you mentioned have long since stopped being speshuul snowflake niche but viable picks. Nothing will ever be as generic as Mega Mom or Dogdorus but you are far out of your mind if you don't think those three aren't normal choices nowadays.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 22:51:12 No.23413154 Report

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>>23413129
Are you seriously implying there not?
Arcanine and Milotic especially. If that staraptor is a general choice set or Scarf-Gambit then it's also generic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 22:51:43 No.23413161 Report

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>>23413129
It's true that you have a couple of Pokémon there that are middling in terms of usage, but from just a list of six Pokémon, it's difficult to comment unless there are some particularly unusual Pokémon.
So maybe make them on Showdown and tell us their specific sets so we can give advice on what you're lacking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 22:54:48 No.23413176 Report

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>>23413019
post the sets, items, abilities and spreads faglord

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 May 2015 23:07:10 No.23413256 Report

Quoted By: >>23413952

>>23413100
not that guy, but people always get shit on here for using "special snowflake" things and not using Lando/Kanga, it seems odd to shit on someone for not being original, even though he's using things not as overused.
That being said, he's a faggot (shown by his posts) and you're right about his team, just wanted to comment that

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 00:27:49 No.23413886 Report

Quoted By: >>23414043

>>23410436
ToTT: Battle Spot most definitely. imho playing on Showdown teaches you bad habits, not to mention that most of the people using it are testing teams and not playing as seriously. You should be learning to use the timer and noting things such as weather/TR turns yourself.

It's true that you'll be facing a lot of international players on BS, but at this point I'd say that the meta between countries isn't too different. Plus you could just play at specific times to match the country you want to play against.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 00:40:26 No.23413952 Report

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>>23413256
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic sonny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 00:53:36 No.23414043 Report

Quoted By: >>23415581

>>23413886
>but at this point I'd say that the meta between countries isn't too different. Plus you could just play at specific times to match the country you want to play against.
Language barrier will always be an issue but it would be nice if we had better ways to look at the Japanese and Korean metas. Jap stuff is a tad easier to find, although I despise how they do not have a "place" like NB and everyone is on their own blog an stuff.

How the Koreans handle themselves is a total mystery to me. The other thread where someone posted a video of a Korean final is honest to god the first time in my life I've seen Korean VGC material of any kind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 04:30:58 No.23415330 Report

Quoted By: >>23415474

oke doke about to finally update and begin playing BS again, if anyone wants anything injected speak up in the next 20 mins

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 04:53:39 No.23415474 Report

Quoted By: >>23415498

>>23415330
Am I too late?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 04:58:18 No.23415498 Report

Quoted By: >>23415507

>>23415474
literally 2 minutes late

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 04:59:57 No.23415507 Report

Quoted By: >>23416261

>>23415498
>tfw

If anybody could inject a modest Mesprit for me I'd be very thankful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 05:11:35 No.23415575 Report

Quoted By: >>23416034

>>23413149
>Not calling it Nyandorus

How do you sleep at night?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 05:12:22 No.23415581 Report

Quoted By:

>>23414043
True, there are some Japanese players on Youtube who upload VGC videos. You can guess what they're doing most of the time if you're used to seeing the animations, so I'd say they're at least somewhat watchable.

I don't know much Japanese besides the alphabet but at this point I've got most of the commonly-seen Pokemon names memorized from playing BS so often...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 07:27:36 No.23416034 Report

Quoted By:

>>23415575
Monster hunter has made me sick of cat puns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 07:54:04 No.23416112 Report

Quoted By:

Why do people on showdown take so little time to choose their mons in team preview? That's like the only time you should be using at least 3/4 of a minute to think about what you should do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 08:21:27 No.23416189 Report

Quoted By: >>23416261 >>23416280 >>23417034

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/battlespotdoublesvgc2015-232057188
why he says that he would have won
No luck from my side imo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 08:38:22 No.23416261 Report

Quoted By: >>23419043

>>23416189
>why he says that he would have won
Low ladder, inflated confidence and lack of understanding.
Also fuck people who have 'VGC' in their name.

>>23415507
If you can post a QR for it I can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 08:45:39 No.23416280 Report

Quoted By:

>>23416189
He's stupid for saying he would have won, but the game definitely could have gone either way if it hit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 09:55:06 No.23416491 Report

Quoted By:

>>23413100
>Boring and generic as fuck/10
who cares if it works? that's not a legitimate critique. staraptor isn't boring

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Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 11:40:28 No.23416735 Report

Quoted By: >>23417070

Guys, help me make a team out of these pokes I got fighting fit please:

Lucario (Adamant) Physical HA
Gliscor HA
Volcarona
Whimsicott
Reuniclus
Bisharp
Heracross
Kangaskhan
Sharpedo
Lopunny
Gallade
Altaria
Garvantula
Zangoose
Charizard Y
Aurorus
Fortress
Sabeleye
Salamence
Ferrothorn
Dragonite
Serviperior HA
Haxorus
klefki
Chandelure
Espeon
Ninetales HA
Crobay
Empoleon
Funbro
Sylveon
Azumarril HA
Garchomp (Sand Veil)
Aegislash Sp.Attk
Cloyster
Clefable
Im breeding for a Froslass right now.

Ive been playing a lot lately cuz iono, buit I dont know how to into teams I just know how to breed for 4+IVs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 13:25:46 No.23417034 Report

Quoted By:

>>23416189
If anything the Rock Slide hitting Talonmeme would have made it even easier for you getting you a free switch in. It already had set TW and didn't accomplish nothing after that to say it surviving made a difference in the outcome of the match.

He's just a mad shitter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 13:36:15 No.23417070 Report

Quoted By: >>23417106

>>23416735

M-Lopunny, Azumarill, Ferrothorn, Bisharp, Clefable, Dragonite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 13:48:01 No.23417106 Report

Quoted By:

>>23417070
Cool thanks! Any recommended sets?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 15:52:27 No.23417577 Report

Quoted By: >>23417580 >>23417609

who the fuck still runs thunder-wave on zapdos?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 15:53:05 No.23417580 Report

Quoted By: >>23417598

>>23417577
that guy you just played

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 15:56:13 No.23417598 Report

Quoted By:

>>23417580
yeah but he was a faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 15:57:19 No.23417609 Report

Quoted By:

>>23417577
It's not bad. Thundurus-I might be generally better but Zapdos has more bulk, Roost and Heatwave which may make it more appropriate pick for the team it's on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 15:59:09 No.23417621 Report

Quoted By:

I was thinking about using Aromatisse on my TR team, but I already have my TR setter. Can I still make it work or is it unnecessary seeing it won't have TR?

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Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 18:13:16 No.23418339 Report

Quoted By: >>23418379 >>23421123

Is anyone from here still on the Major? Or did everyone get eliminated already?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 18:19:50 No.23418379 Report

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>>23418339
As far as I know I am the guy from /vgcg/ that got the furthest into the major at top 64. It's in top 8 right now so having one of us there would be an amazing accomplishment.

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Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 19:36:09 No.23418801 Report

Quoted By: >>23418814 >>23418826 >>23419165

I finally reached the end of the road and I'm forced to update my 3DS.

What are the essentials to inject before doing that again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 19:38:40 No.23418814 Report

Quoted By: >>23418861 >>23418959

>>23418801
C-could you help me to inject a modest mesprit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 19:42:40 No.23418826 Report

Quoted By: >>23418837

>>23418801
Inject a ditto of every useful nature with perfect 6, than inject dittos with 0 spd with the down speed natures. Finally inject a perfect clefairy and perfect Togekiss since they are a bitch to breed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 19:44:47 No.23418837 Report

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>>23418826
And hook me up with nm one mm of those Clefairy actually

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Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 19:48:51 No.23418861 Report

Quoted By: >>23418889

>>23418814
Tell me your Touhou Top 3. I'll do it if I consider you have good taste.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 19:52:38 No.23418889 Report

Quoted By: >>23418953

>>23418861
suika
moriya
marisa

best theme is flandre imo

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 20:03:11 No.23418953 Report

Quoted By: >>23418974

>>23418889
Acceptable taste.

I'll make your Mesprit but I'm lazy and I've gotten make a list of the things I'll inject and then make them and stuff so you'll have to wait a few days.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 20:04:11 No.23418959 Report

Quoted By: >>23418974

>>23418814
hidden power?

1392 3910 6045

1392 3910 6045 Tue 12 May 2015 20:06:25 No.23418974 Report

Quoted By: >>23419043

>>23418953
Thank you, this is my fc.

>>23418959
I'm assuming you're the same guy, no specific hidden power. Just needs to be legal pentaperfect modest
.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 20:15:12 No.23419011 Report

Quoted By: >>23419338

Is there anything I can do to not get constant dcs in BS? I kinda want to finish maybe one fight some day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 20:21:38 No.23419043 Report

Quoted By: >>23419063 >>23419153

>>23418974
I'm not the same guy, I'm >>23416261 who offered to do it earlier via a QR you'd make your self. Now I'm at a computer I can make one myself.
Put up a Cacnea on GTS requesting a Mesprit and I'll get it to you in a minute or so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 20:25:04 No.23419063 Report

Quoted By:

>>23419043
Oh, I couldn't do QR because I have no idea how to use that program.
Thank you very much for offering yourself again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 20:38:00 No.23419153 Report

Quoted By: >>23420978 >>23421747

>>23419043
Thanks dude, really appreciate it.

While I'm at it, I'll post the extremely niche set that fits very well on my team

Mesprit @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
EVs: 60 Def / 236 SpA / 212 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Ice Beam
- Psychic
- Trick
- Energy Ball

Outspeeds megamence and lives a jolly 252 double edge from it (and subsequently lives non lo bisharp and kanga's sucker punch, the former is 87.5% of the time).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 20:39:20 No.23419165 Report

Quoted By:

>>23418801
Every legend in 6th gen possible with every nature you consider useful. Also, a lot of females with egg moves and HA for breeding fast if you need a mon in the future,

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 21:00:04 No.23419263 Report

Quoted By: >>23419380

I'm shit at making teams.

What's the best rain team I can have with Mega Swampert, Politoed, and Ludicolo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 21:12:56 No.23419338 Report

Quoted By:

>>23419011
From your side? Well, perhaps being closer to your router and making sure nothing else is using the network.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 May 2015 21:18:54 No.23419380 Report

Quoted By: >>23421151

>>23419263
Something that uses thunder. Zapdos would fit nicely since your swampert can fire earthquakes without worry. Also has tailwind for when rain isn't there to speed your mons up.

A fake-out user never hurts. One like hitmontop or infernape if you're looking for a fighting type that can support, or maybe sableye so you can deal with physical attackers.

A back up plan when rain fucks off. Maybe a scarfed gardevoir, which would you some nice fairy/psy coverage.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 01:44:34 No.23420946 Report

Quoted By: >>23421034 >>23421039

Hey guys, I'd like a solid answer about hack checks at regionals, especially with the spring regionals coming up this weekend.

I've heard that if you make top cut, they'll manually scan your game for things like 999 Master Balls. Well, am I safe with things like 800+ of each wing, Rare Candy, and PP Maxes? Long story short, I've already updated and can't inject anymore. I'd rather keep those items on my game. How safe am I with keeping those? I don't have any Master Balls or detectable hacked Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 01:50:36 No.23420978 Report

Quoted By: >>23421455

>>23419153
>>23417261
holy shit. was that you, anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 02:02:03 No.23421034 Report

Quoted By: >>23421098

>>23420946
They only care about your team and nothing else. They hack check by attempting to upload your team to GTS, since the online has its hack checking method. (Some tourneys may do it other ways but I'm pretty sure that's how some are dont)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 02:02:26 No.23421039 Report

Quoted By: >>23421098

>>23420946
All I know that is related to what you are saying is this.

http://nuggetbridge.com/forums/topic/16015-reminder-update-to-14/

I have no idea if what you are saying it's true. As much as I hate to say this, you'd have better luck making a thread with a dummy account on NB asking about it or perhaps ask in their irc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 02:12:50 No.23421098 Report

Quoted By: >>23421138 >>23421187

>>23421034
>>23421039
Funny because VGC general is where I heard about the manual bag check for hacked items. No matter where I look it seems like I can't get a solid answer about hack detection... maybe it really does vary between different places.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 02:16:42 No.23421123 Report

Quoted By:

>>23418339
they take me out of the competition when I was 5-1 in swiss because I forgot to fight that week and I had to do thing irl... also my opponent was bitching around.
Fuck Unreality. He sent me out of the competition with a record of 5-3, of course.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 02:19:37 No.23421138 Report

Quoted By:

>>23421098
That's interesting. Here, I'm pals with a Pokemon Professor, I'll ask him and see what he says so we can get the facts straight.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 02:20:05 No.23421151 Report

Quoted By: >>23421187

>>23419380
>thunder
>not thundy instead of zapdos
>hitmontop and infernape
>scarf gardevoir

anon pls

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 02:27:48 No.23421187 Report

Quoted By:

>>23421151
Poor Weepinbell...

Speaking of which, how do most of y'all run Hitmontops? I see him as a defensive wide guarder and quick guarder with access to Fake Out, Mach/Bullet Punch, and CC for damage.
>>23421098
You know something? I misread and thought you were talking about PCs.
Doc got back to me, but he doesn't seem to know since he only does PCs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 03:25:04 No.23421455 Report

Quoted By:

>>23420978
TOP KEK WHAT
It must have been me as I am around that ranking on my latest test alt.

This is amazing

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 04:26:36 No.23421747 Report

Quoted By: >>23423286

>>23419153
I might steal and/or tweak this idea. The beings of emotion trio have been on my investigation list for a while now, and I can't believe I skipped over how interesting Mesprit looks, he's kinda like a slower Mew that learns less moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 04:44:13 No.23421829 Report

Quoted By: >>23421830 >>23424314

What's the difference between this thread and the Comp gen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 04:45:02 No.23421830 Report

Quoted By: >>23421838

>>23421829
Comp gen plays smogon rulesets.
This thread plays the official VGC ruleset.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 04:45:21 No.23421835 Report

Quoted By: >>23423289 >>23424319

Would extrasensory over psychic be worth the 10bp deficit for a flinch chance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 04:46:24 No.23421838 Report

Quoted By: >>23421986

>>23421830
thanks. I find that kind of funny, since this would be technically the official competitive thread and ruleset, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 04:56:27 No.23421888 Report

Quoted By:

>>23410762
you know what? I respect this fella.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 05:33:18 No.23421986 Report

Quoted By:

>>23421838
Yeah, basically. Doesn't really matter in the end, both are competitive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 06:09:57 No.23422082 Report

Quoted By: >>23422086

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Future_Sight_%28move%29
>BP 120 +stab
>Bypasses protect/detect
Why is this move not used more?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 06:11:58 No.23422086 Report

Quoted By:

>>23422082
It would be better if it used the special defense of the pokemon that it was originally used on like it originally did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 08:14:18 No.23422491 Report

Quoted By: >>23422526

Breed Clefable to get Clefairy.

Run:
Sitrus Twave+Follow Me Clefairy, Salamence, Sylveon, Bisharp, Mental Herb Sableye with Wow + Twave and WP Aegislash imo

When you can, I'd replace the Sableye with Offensive Thundurus and/or the Sylveon/Bisharp combo with something like Heatran/AV landorus

Your current pokemon choice seems pretty limited

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 08:25:18 No.23422526 Report

Quoted By: >>23422543

>>23422491
>Sitrus [...] Clefairy
Please don't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 08:30:20 No.23422543 Report

Quoted By: >>23423289

>>23422526
I've known a lot of people forget that certain things already have an item when it's by far their most common item. Scarf Landorus holding a Life Orb seems a popular one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 08:34:20 No.23422554 Report

Quoted By: >>23422592 >>23422603 >>23422842 >>23423289

Does someone have an opinion on Scarf Cloyster? Does it look too predictable once seen on the preview?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 08:48:03 No.23422592 Report

Quoted By:

>>23422554
Apparently 16% are choice scarf. I usually assume sash+smash to be honest.
It can also KO Landorus-T even after two intimidates, and isn't OHKO'd by basically any physical attacker. Dies instantly to anything special though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 08:52:39 No.23422603 Report

Quoted By:

>>23422554
It's what I expect every Cloyster to be since someone once brought one to worlds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 10:16:12 No.23422842 Report

Quoted By:

>>23422554
Scarf cloyster is average, i've tried it a bit and...
>doesn't outspeed scarf lando even if lando is adamant and cloyster is jolly
>dies to any strong special aor supereffective special hit
>very predictable

Honestly i think you're better off using it with a sash, life orb or kings rock with tailwind support or shell smash with redirection.

One good thing about is it knocks out smeargle through the sash. But honestly it'll be dead weight, if you are using a scarfer, it needs to outspeed and KO scarf lando.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 11:43:15 No.23423022 Report

Quoted By: >>23423025 >>23424703 >>23425030

anyone else think mega ttar is underated?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 11:44:24 No.23423025 Report

Quoted By:

>>23423022
no

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 13:05:07 No.23423286 Report

Quoted By:

>>23421747
Azelf is better offensively and Uxie (aka worse Cress) is better defensively. I would be using Azelf if it wasn't for the fact that it doesn't learn ice beam (hp ice does not ohko).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 13:06:37 No.23423289 Report

Quoted By: >>23434991

>>23421835
>giving up a reliably higher damage for a CHANCE of a flinch

>>23422543
Yeah but taking away a big part of the bulk of Clefairy only to be speshul is sort of dumb

>>23422554
Cloyster are either Scarf or Smash/Sash from what I've seen

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 16:52:52 No.23424197 Report

Quoted By: >>23424301 >>23425499

https://twitter.com/nuggetbridge/status/598523810053165056

Will you try to if there's VGC qualifiers /vgcg/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 17:23:13 No.23424301 Report

Quoted By:

>>23424197
Haven't heard anything about this, is it just tournaments in the US to qualify for a streamed tournament in new games, like they had for Smash 4 last year?
I guess they'd have to announce a new Pokémon game for that to happen though.
And also I doubt they'd want Europeans involved, which is a shame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 17:24:58 No.23424314 Report

Quoted By: >>23424829

>>23421829
Also VGC has a lot more circlejerking, discussion of known players and events, and that sort of thing.
Smogon has nothing but crappy online tournaments and no memorable players.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 17:25:59 No.23424319 Report

Quoted By:

>>23421835
It's worth considering, but personally I run Psychic even when Psyshock is recommended for the mixed damage, because it's slightly more powerful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 19:02:58 No.23424703 Report

Quoted By:

>>23423022
Yes. Mega T-Tar is often overlooked despite its amazing bulk. Maybe if it learned Knock Off things would be a bit different.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 19:30:34 No.23424829 Report

Quoted By: >>23424889

>>23424314
To be fair, how active on Smogon are you? There not being any memorable players might just come from you not participating in their tournaments as you likely do VGC.

Also why is there still this anti-Smogon feeling among some of the randoms in the VGC community?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 19:47:42 No.23424889 Report

Quoted By: >>23424904 >>23424962 >>23424977

>>23424829
>Also why is there still this anti-Smogon feeling among some of the randoms in the Pokemon community?
ftfy

Not the same anon but Smogon and 6v6 in general aren't interesting enough to grant attention, you don't see events where people get excited to watch 102 turns of two still sprites and a load of text (because no one sane would play a 6v6 match in game with animations on nowadays). For that same reason not even people who usually play on Showdown know shit about who is who around there while on VGC even the most casual would know about Ray "Dreamy Balls" Rizzo or Chinkertron. That, like the other anon said, makes it more circlejerky though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 19:50:58 No.23424904 Report

Quoted By: >>23424925

>>23424889
Gee, it's almost like VGC has more exposure on the grounds of having things like live events, livestreams and events and regionals, nationals and even worlds and stuff!

No shit you won't know about Smogon players if you don't browse it's forums constantly. It's the only place they have and where they are at. If Smogon Singles had the same amount of live exposure VGC had you can bet your ass you'd knew the name of many Smogon Singles players.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 19:55:08 No.23424925 Report

Quoted By: >>23424977

>>23424904
>why this community and its players aren't known as much as the players from the official format?

But we already know that anon. The thing is only Smogon knows Smogon. The rest is just stating the obvious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 20:03:23 No.23424962 Report

Quoted By: >>23424984

>>23424889
I think you're understating Smogon's popularity a bit, its circlejerkyness too. Their formats have way more content producers on youtube than VGC and the forums are substantially larger than NB. People really do get excited for it and enjoy watching the big names play in OST, SPL and the like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 20:04:27 No.23424967 Report

Quoted By:

Reminder that singles is and will keep being more popular than doubles and VGC by leaps and bounds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 20:06:33 No.23424977 Report

Quoted By: >>23424984

>>23424925
>The rest is just stating the obvious.
It's clearly not that obvious considering we have chucklefucks like >>23424889 spewing ignorant and idiotic bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 20:08:16 No.23424984 Report

Quoted By: >>23425031

>>23424962
I'm not, I'm from Buttfuckistan and it's the prefered format around here, reason why in this part of my country VGC isn't taking off at all. The other part is true but you don't see a lot of noise coming from outside of the community.

>>23424977
you seem upset

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 20:16:45 No.23425030 Report

Quoted By: >>23427065

>>23423022
Yes and no. The current meta is not kind at all to good ol' T-tar, but with just a little of the right support it's a monster. It's not something you can just slap on any team, which makes it far less used than it should be

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 20:16:46 No.23425031 Report

Quoted By: >>23425049

>>23424984
>The other part is true but you don't see a lot of noise coming from outside of the community.
It's hard to make noise when you don't have the corporate big bucks helping you make it, which is like the only single thing VGC has over Smogon Singles. If VGC didn't have that it would be forgotten into oblivion. If 6v6 Singles was the one backed as the official format it would easily be twice as big as VGC is right now. That 6v6 is more popular than VGC is a undeniable fact. All that stuff you are saying about it not being interesting and crap are subjective things.

I'm not sure if you are dense or just retarded or just a blind VGC anti-smogon fanboy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 20:23:52 No.23425049 Report

Quoted By: >>23425064

>>23425031
You're right, the only reason VGC is 2v2 bringing 4 is because it makes for faster matches and weird shit is easier to pull off. Also like you said, what is more interesting is completely subjective so sorry for making it sound like a fact.

Now there's no reason to get so buttflustered, it's been more than 100 posts and just now you see people getting salty because someone doesn't prefer (notice I said prefer) Smogon's ruleset.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 20:27:23 No.23425064 Report

Quoted By: >>23425089

>>23425049
Man, I've not played a single 6 vs 6 Single battle since Gen VI started. You can dislike Smogon all you want, but at least do it properly. If you are gonna act like an idiot and say stupid things I'll shit on you accordingly.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 20:31:41 No.23425083 Report

Quoted By:

>Decide to try Mesprit because of this guy who wouldn't shut up about someone injecting one for it

This thing is super good. Hits hard and tanks hits like a boss and it's moveset is disgustingly wide.

I heartily recommend it to you all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 20:33:58 No.23425089 Report

Quoted By: >>23425091

>>23425064
but Anon the thing is I don't dislike Smogon, I just prefer VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 20:35:34 No.23425091 Report

Quoted By: >>23425093

>>23425089
I like both equally; lets fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 20:36:17 No.23425093 Report

Quoted By:

>>23425091
Oh anon I tought you would never ask

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 May 2015 21:50:13 No.23425499 Report

Quoted By:

>>23424197
Whoever runs this account seems to be confused on what the Nintendo world championships actually was, it won't be anything serious

However it makes me think how awesome it would be if there was a real Nintendo world championship annually with Smash, Pokemon and games like Splatoon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 00:43:03 No.23426574 Report

Quoted By: >>23426580 >>23426884

The standard VGC team is Kangaskhan, Landorus-Therian,Thundurus,Sylveon,Rotom-Wash,Bisharp

Do i copy this team to figure out weaknesses or create a new team and go from there?

I am thinking if I become my opponent then i can figure out the weaknesses

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 00:44:16 No.23426580 Report

Quoted By: >>23426684

>>23426574
I'm trying to use Mega Audino, so I'm trying to find succesful team examples.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 00:57:39 No.23426684 Report

Quoted By: >>23426751 >>23426817

>>23426580
literally the only thing audino is good for is simple beam bullshit and that will never work with the timer at a real event

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 01:10:07 No.23426751 Report

Quoted By: >>23426776 >>23426884

>>23426684
Audino @ Audinite
Ability: Healer
IVs: 0 Spe
- Trick Room
- After You
- Protect
- Helping Hand

+ A heavy atttacker like Pangoro

Pangoro @ Life Orb
Ability: Iron Fist
- Protect
- Focus Punch
- Crunch
- Poison Jab

Is what I am trying to test. wish me luck After you + focus punch = pain

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 01:16:18 No.23426776 Report

Quoted By: >>23426782

>>23426751
252+ Atk Life Orb Pangoro Focus Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Kangaskhan: 424-502 (234.2 - 277.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Pangoro Helping Hand Hammer Arm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Kangaskhan: 424-502 (234.2 - 277.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

uhhh....

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 01:18:27 No.23426782 Report

Quoted By: >>23426827

>>23426776
>>23426776
Its a work in progress. The main idea of after you + focus punch is using after you then focus punch would strike immediately afterwards. after you is really helpful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 01:23:49 No.23426817 Report

Quoted By: >>23426854

>>23426684
252+ Atk Iron Fist Pangoro Focus Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 204-241 (50.4 - 59.6%) -- 84% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Iron Fist Pangoro Hammer Arm vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 136-162 (33.6 - 40%) -- 30.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 01:25:25 No.23426827 Report

Quoted By: >>23426835

>>23426782
you must be retarded or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 01:27:54 No.23426835 Report

Quoted By:

>>23426827
im testing to see if it is a viable strategy or not. what dont you understand about that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 01:32:08 No.23426854 Report

Quoted By: >>23426880

>>23426817
ok, just ignore the helping hand part

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 01:37:35 No.23426880 Report

Quoted By: >>23426887 >>23434280 >>23434485

>>23426854
so i should use helping hand and forget about after you?

The other plan was to use stoutland + sand rush and Mega tyranitar + focus punch

after you on ttar then fpunch away

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 01:38:28 No.23426884 Report

Quoted By: >>23426901

>>23426574
Both approaches are good but I'd say you should try with the standard first

>>23426751
Audino is slower than Pangoro so you're forced to use TR first to make the After You+Focus Punch thing work and that's just too much support to be viable. There's already a faster combo that sets itself here (but looks like you already saw it):

http://nuggetbridge.com/reports/friend-socal-regionals-team-report/

Also, while I too love Pangoro, for that set Conkeldurr would do a much better job aside from the STAB Dark move (which should be Knock Off anyways) because it has better bulk, higher attack and is slower.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 01:38:55 No.23426887 Report

Quoted By:

>>23426880

What's a Stoutland?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 01:42:59 No.23426901 Report

Quoted By: >>23426941

>>23426884
thats the stoutand ttar combo i saw on showdown. I didnt know it had an article. ty for the help

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 01:55:16 No.23426941 Report

Quoted By:

>>23426901
btw there's variations to that same combo with:

Drizzle Politoed + Swift Swim Seismitoad with After You

Drought Ninetales + Chlorophyll Lilligant with After You

which allow the first mon to fire a strong attack faster than usual

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 02:15:50 No.23427065 Report

Quoted By:

>>23425030
I've been using a few different teams to ladder after the reset, and my mega TTar ones doing best, closely followed by one with zard Y and mega salamence on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 06:01:05 No.23428007 Report

Quoted By: >>23428201 >>23430059

why do people do this
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/battlespotdoublesvgc2015-232551090

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 07:22:30 No.23428201 Report

Quoted By:

>>23428007
Because it's allowed?

git gud, you had a Thundurus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 09:05:22 No.23428399 Report

Quoted By: >>23428475

>stop using fake out user with trick room since it's really predictable
>lose game after game to a singular flinch because they double up on cress otherwise and it still lives, only to get flinched at the end of it all
What the fuck am I supposed to do, fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 09:38:18 No.23428475 Report

Quoted By: >>23428492

>>23428399
>stop using fake out user with trick room since it's really predictable
It doesn't matter that it's predictable. What matters is that it works. The worst thing you can do is think that predictable, or common, setups are inherently worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 09:42:55 No.23428492 Report

Quoted By: >>23429466

>>23428475
Well, it's not worse per say, it's more like they'd bring something like hydreigon/talonflame to deal with the fake out user and cress. I don't know man, it's just super frustrating because I'm making all the right reads and plays the point where I'm predicting what pokemon they'll bring, and yet at the moment of truth I always lose to RNG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 14:06:10 No.23429466 Report

Quoted By: >>23429740 >>23430321 >>23430387

>>23428492
You're not going to get better just blaming everything on rng. Git gud.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 15:06:13 No.23429740 Report

Quoted By: >>23430075 >>23430087

>>23429466
People seem to forget that the rng screws over everyone at one point or another. The person who just rs flinched you could have also missed 4 play roughs the game before.

If you watch streams you will see worlds level players regularly getting haxed into oblivion but they still manage to do better than most people (Most of the time)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 16:20:43 No.23430059 Report

Quoted By:

>>23428007
Seeing that team gives away immediatly the kind of shit it will try to pull off.

You still won doe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 16:24:08 No.23430075 Report

Quoted By:

>>23429740
Exactly. Dont put your self onto the position of rng and if u cant avoid it mitigate it best as possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 16:29:42 No.23430087 Report

Quoted By:

>>23429740
This.

RNG affects EVERY SINGLE Pokeyman player.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 17:23:54 No.23430321 Report

Quoted By:

>>23429466
RNG happens. The only thing you can do is try to mitigate its effect, but from time to time, that 20%chance will happen and screw you. The best thing is to shake it off and move on to the next game, don't let it into your head. Only blame RNG for your loses when you did your best plays and shit didn't work out for you. if you got flinched every turn by a double rockslide you have yourself to blame

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 17:41:21 No.23430387 Report

Quoted By:

>>23429466
True. The only time recently I've been pissed off at RNG was when I played Markus Stadter and had my Charizard fully paralysed three times in a row, trying to overheat his Aegislash that was just spamming wide guard.
It wasn't even because I lost, but because he probably thought he was outplaying me because I was clearly choosing heat wave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 17:44:25 No.23430400 Report

Quoted By: >>23430457 >>23430474 >>23430725

>It's your fault you got haxed
>Only good players don't get haxed
>If you had gotten gud that flinch that was the only way your opponent could have won would have magically not happened

Since when did we become NuggetBridge?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 17:50:06 No.23430430 Report

Quoted By: >>23430457 >>23430725 >>23430957

All this talk about RNG made me remember the latest Cybertron video.

>Fight starts with him rock slide flinching the shit of his opponent
>Starts saying "Wow, what a shame, I wouldn't have liked to show a battle like this here nor I would have
wanted to win like this but that's Pokemon" with a shit eating grin on his face

>5 turns later his opponent rock slide flinches the shit out of him back to the point
>Says "T-This is, woah, this is something but w-well t-that's Pokemon!" with a face like if he had a big smelly turd under his nose

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 17:56:15 No.23430457 Report

Quoted By:

>>23430400
it's not like that, but most of the time people come here complaining about getting haxed, they could have avoided it by making better plays or preparing the team to be better against it. Shit like this >>23430430 do happen though and it sucks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 17:59:30 No.23430474 Report

Quoted By:

>>23430400
Nobody said good players don't get haxed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 18:51:52 No.23430725 Report

Quoted By:

>>23430400
Nobody said it's your fault you get haxed

>>23430430
Well, that's Pokemon :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 19:37:38 No.23430957 Report

Quoted By:

>>23430430
>playing Cybertron on battlespot
>he leads thundurus and starts swaggering my team from turn 1

but why

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 May 2015 21:42:41 No.23431609 Report

Quoted By:

Can we get a janitor to clean up all the posts which are smogon vs. vgc shit flinging? no one cares its just shitting up the thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 02:06:13 No.23433144 Report

Quoted By: >>23433331 >>23433419

https://twitter.com/CybertronVGC/status/598985625681932288

lol aaron thinks he's a top quality player. 2013 was the last year he had success at the worlds level in the masters division. he's not gonna top cut worlds this year let alone win or top 4 believe me

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 02:45:27 No.23433331 Report

Quoted By:

>>23433144
I know you're probably baiting but the guy who made the thread thinks that being a good player is all about having good luck, that should give you a general idea about the quality of the thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 03:02:14 No.23433419 Report

Quoted By:

>>23433144
VGC is 50% team-building to counter the current meta, 20% team match-ups, 20% praying the RNG favors you today and 10% making sick reads.

Everyone and anyone can "understand" the game. How to use that knowledge properly is the issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 04:31:48 No.23433901 Report

Quoted By: >>23433907 >>23434280 >>23434431

Who else is ready to watch this?
https://twitter.com/CybertronVGC/status/599028173699964929

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 04:33:30 No.23433907 Report

Quoted By: >>23433910

>>23433901
>speech
wut

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 04:34:58 No.23433910 Report

Quoted By: >>23434431

>>23433907
He gave a speech to his entire senior class in high school and he mentions VGC somewhere in the speech and how it has changed him. Or something like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 06:07:28 No.23434280 Report

Quoted By: >>23434454 >>23434485

>>23426880
I actually have been looking into Stoutland. It's got great bulk and an ability that would make it super fast. Basically a Mega Kang w/out Parental Bond but faster.
>>23433901
Im not ready. Im not. Is it cringe?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 07:16:23 No.23434431 Report

Quoted By:

>>23433901
I'm ready to close the video after 10 seconds tops because of the cringe

>>23433910
to his entire school, not just his class, and the whole speech was about Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 07:29:23 No.23434454 Report

Quoted By:

>>23434280
>85/90/90 bulk
wow, that's pretty decent.
>Basically a Mega Kang w/out Parental Bond
It does have similar coverage with Return/Crunch/Superpower and the elemental fangs, but lacks Fake Out and priority (not that it needs it with all the speed in thesand) though it's less bulky and powerful. Also, without PB, Mega Kanga is pretty mediocre

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 07:42:26 No.23434485 Report

Quoted By:

>>23426880
>>23434280
http://nuggetbridge.com/reports/friend-socal-regionals-team-report/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:04:37 No.23434871 Report

Quoted By: >>23434873 >>23434878 >>23434881 >>23434892 >>23434898 >>23434899 >>23434904 >>23434917

need help with my team

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/battlespotdoublesvgc2015-232845857

here's a replay of them in battle

Arcanine (M) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 148 Def / 44 SpA / 4 SpD / 60 Spe
Modest Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Morning Sun
- Heat Wave
- Close Combat

Clefairy @ Eviolite
Ability: Friend Guard
EVs: 236 HP / 212 Def / 60 SpD
Bold Nature
- Follow Me
- Cosmic Power
- Moonblast
- Moonlight

Mamoswine @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Icicle Crash
- Ice Shard
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake

Milotic @ Assault Vest
Ability: Competitive
EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 36 SpA / 8 Spe
Calm Nature
- Ice Beam
- Icy Wind
- Scald
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Hawlucha @ Red Card
Ability: Unburden
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Acrobatics
- Encore
- High Jump Kick

Klefki @ Mental Herb
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Def / 56 SpA / 100 SpD
Calm Nature
- Magnet Rise
- Foul Play
- Swagger
- Thunder Wave

any advice/criticism would be greatly appreciated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:05:30 No.23434873 Report

Quoted By:

>>23434871
>not using pastebin

pls go

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:06:57 No.23434878 Report

Quoted By: >>23434888 >>23434890

>>23434871
evs must be 4+x*8 otherwise you are wasting them.
for example, on milotic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:07:31 No.23434881 Report

Quoted By:

>>23434871
/cpg/ is >>23407565

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:09:07 No.23434888 Report

Quoted By: >>23434893

>>23434878
how is it wasting them?

sorry for my ignorance

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:10:24 No.23434890 Report

Quoted By: >>23435581

>>23434878
when you say 4+x*8

you mean 4 plus x times 8?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:10:48 No.23434892 Report

Quoted By: >>23434917

>>23434871
Actual, honest critique though. This team is shit. I'd suggest scrapping it and make a more standard one. You're not going to do much of anything with fucking HP Fire Milotic and Magnet Rise Klefki. Also those EVs/Nature on your Mamo is terrible

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:11:37 No.23434893 Report

Quoted By:

>>23434888
you get your first stat point from investment when you invest 4.
afterwards every 8 points gives you an extra point.
at least you aren't mostly using 252/252/4

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:12:26 No.23434898 Report

Quoted By:

>>23434871
It's shit, plain and simple. I'd write why but I'm in hurry right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:12:38 No.23434899 Report

Quoted By: >>23434908 >>23434917

>>23434871
>no mega
gross

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:13:28 No.23434902 Report

Quoted By: >>23435570

VGC should allow Pokémon like mew.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:13:39 No.23434904 Report

Quoted By:

>>23434871
i rate it
scrap team
read these
http://nuggetbridge.com/reports/
come back/10

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:15:12 No.23434908 Report

Quoted By: >>23434913

>>23434899
needing a mega

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:16:17 No.23434910 Report

Quoted By: >>23434922 >>23435527

Why is raichu in alot of teams now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:16:52 No.23434913 Report

Quoted By: >>23434917 >>23435573

>>23434908
the problem is that you are supposed to build your teams around your mega and 1-2 other pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:18:09 No.23434917 Report

Quoted By: >>23434920

>>23434871
Simply, protect is the best move in the game and you have it now where. I suggest watching some games from the world championships or nationals to get a feeling for how good protect is. I'm not saying it's absolutely required, but it's god damn great.

>>23434892
HP Fire Milotic isn't objectively bad, if you have a way to boost it yourself and no reliable method to remove Ferrothorn (which every team should have) then it's alright.

>>23434899
>>23434913
>implying there's only one way to build a team
Megas aren't required. Most will use them, but a team can be good without them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:20:51 No.23434920 Report

Quoted By:

>>23434917
Running HP Fire on Milotic when you have a fire type on your team is pretty dumb, though. Ferrothorn can't wall his team and the only semi-viable use it'd have would be against Scizor, which isn't all too common in VGC,

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:22:30 No.23434922 Report

Quoted By:

>>23434910
Great mon for support and disruption. Despite its frailty, lightningrod support is amazing, it's a fast fake out user, and having encore can scare the opponent away from using protect and other support moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:38:23 No.23434970 Report

Quoted By: >>23434974

Pls explain to me what VGC are.

Are they online or do you go to tournaments and stuff?

How many tournaments have you lot been to?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:39:43 No.23434974 Report

Quoted By: >>23434994

>>23434970
Most people practice VGC online on the official ladder and showdown.
The real meat is the real life tournaments, however.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:47:48 No.23434991 Report

Quoted By:

>>23423289
Yeah Sitrus Clefairy was a mistake, I was originally thinking Clefable but decided Clefairy would be better...

Don't use Sitrus Clefairy please

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:50:14 No.23434994 Report

Quoted By: >>23434999

>>23434974
Watching CybertronProductions from the OP links, is all VGC 2v2?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:53:14 No.23434999 Report

Quoted By: >>23435005

>>23434994
Yes. VGC is the offcial Pokemon competitive ruleset and it's doubles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 11:57:45 No.23435005 Report

Quoted By:

>>23434999
Nice thanks m8

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 15:24:11 No.23435527 Report

Quoted By: >>23435593 >>23435595 >>23435841

>>23434910
Helps against double genie.

Thundy can't thunderbolt or t-wave, lando gets KO's by hp ice and fake out can stop if from doing too much damage.

personally i run
Raichu @ Air Balloon
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 52 HP / 4 Def / 196 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Fake Out
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Encore

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 15:31:47 No.23435570 Report

Quoted By:

>>23434902
yes but that would mean it would be easily obtainable for everyone and GF is too fucking shit to allow that

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 15:32:47 No.23435573 Report

Quoted By:

>>23434913
get gud anytime, bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 15:35:27 No.23435581 Report

Quoted By:

>>23434890
It means x times 8, and then you add 4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 15:38:41 No.23435593 Report

Quoted By: >>23437656

>>23435527
Do those hp Evs do anything for you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 15:38:52 No.23435595 Report

Quoted By: >>23437656

>>23435527
What does the little bit of bulk investment do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 16:16:47 No.23435722 Report

Quoted By: >>23435808 >>23435836

What do I need to being to Regionals tomorrow?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 16:33:17 No.23435808 Report

Quoted By: >>23435836 >>23436194

>>23435722
Your 3DS, your gamecart and some cash

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 16:38:31 No.23435836 Report

Quoted By:

>>23435722
In addition to >>23435808, your charger as well as pen and paper to take notes with.
I always take a little bit of food with me in case some organising miss haps leave you with a really short lunch break.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 16:39:25 No.23435841 Report

Quoted By: >>23437656

>>23435527
ain't that Barry Anderson's spread?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 17:13:19 No.23435933 Report

Quoted By: >>23435996 >>23436006

What does everyone think of Ray Rizzo's Youtube videos?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 17:27:56 No.23435996 Report

Quoted By:

>>23435933
get a good mic pls

otherwise they're pretty good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 17:29:51 No.23436006 Report

Quoted By: >>23436013 >>23436075

>>23435933
Haven't watched them all, but he seems like a cool guy and knows his shit, and the content in general is pretty good. I honestly don't know why does he gets so much hate from this board

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 17:31:49 No.23436013 Report

Quoted By:

>>23436006
because

>muh dream ball aegislash

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 17:50:07 No.23436075 Report

Quoted By:

>>23436006
Because he's a cheater who doesn't play the games or do things himself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 18:20:09 No.23436194 Report

Quoted By: >>23437188

>>23435808

What kind of stuff is there for sale? T-shirts and the likes? What are the side events like?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 22:05:14 No.23437188 Report

Quoted By: >>23437361

>>23436194
When I went to Doswell Va and Philly Pa all they were selling were TCG packs and decks. I think they only have the real Jap merch in Nats and Worlds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 22:41:02 No.23437361 Report

Quoted By:

>>23437188

That's a shame. I was hoping to snag a shirt or a pin or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 22:56:52 No.23437403 Report

Quoted By: >>23437411 >>23438659

What common threats should we be prepared for at Regionals?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 22:59:26 No.23437411 Report

Quoted By: >>23437606 >>23438659

>>23437403
Genies, Kang, Sylveon, All weather setters (mega or otherwise), Cress, Amoongus, and intimidaters are a good place to start.
Which regional you going to, the Massachusetts one this weekend?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 23:45:22 No.23437606 Report

Quoted By: >>23437638 >>23437757

>>23437411

Yeah, I'll be in Sturbridge tomorrow at 8:30 for check in

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 23:50:27 No.23437638 Report

Quoted By: >>23437651

>>23437606
you and anyone else going to regs should post your team so I can attempt to fix any huge errors

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 23:52:33 No.23437651 Report

Quoted By:

>>23437638
>scouting

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 May 2015 23:53:21 No.23437656 Report

Quoted By:

>>23435841
Maybe i'm him ;^)
>>23435593
>>23435595
it has enough SpA to ohko bulky talonflame, the bulks saved me a lot of times. While it doesn't do anything in particular, it's allowed me to survive on about 1hp a lot of times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 00:09:21 No.23437757 Report

Quoted By:

>>23437606
Neat, have fun. A mate of mine's going up there without me (can't pay for hotels every other week, you know?), so I'll be rooting for the both of you.
On that note, anybody going to the Athens, GA regionals in a few weeks? That one I will be going to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 00:42:19 No.23437915 Report

Quoted By: >>23438004

>Got two VGC teams I want to breed from scratch
>two weeks to do it
>feeling no motivation to do so
Ug why is it I get caught back into Mystery Dungeon just when I have time to breed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 00:58:00 No.23437992 Report

Quoted By: >>23438029 >>23438163

My team is shit and keep losing
help me fix it /vp/
http://pastebin.com/zsnvgTe9

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 00:59:53 No.23438004 Report

Quoted By:

>>23437915
I'm in the exact same boat, fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 01:05:29 No.23438029 Report

Quoted By: >>23438048

>>23437992
there's your problem: you forgot the last 4 EVs for your Metagross. Not only that, you forgot to give it a nature, which squanders power or speed.
Also, did you ever notice how many steels you have? Your team has a pretty hefty fire and ground weakness.
Also in my opinion, Quick Guard is only half as useful as people think since Fake Out has either higher or equal priority to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 01:08:53 No.23438048 Report

Quoted By: >>23438105

>>23438029
Oh I just threw the team into showdown. Forgot the last bits of stuff. Jolly Natured and the 4 is in HP
But, I noticed the huge amount of steel being a bit of a hinderance. I feel like I need a fire type, Scizor walls me pretty hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 01:18:06 No.23438105 Report

Quoted By: >>23438139

>>23438048
Consider throwing rain on your team, as it nerfs fire attacks and water is a good complimentary type to steel. Also consider Hydregon as his main arsenal is adapt at countering many of Metagross' weaknesses (flamethrower, earth power, draco meteor, dark pulse, etc)
Either way certainly tone down the number of Steels you've got. I'd recommend scrapping Bisharp.
Also fundamental reminder: if you see something like a Kang go up against your Metagross and you know a Sucker Punch is imminent, remember that Sucker Punch will fail if you hit it with Bullet Punch first! That will save your Metagross' life and catch some people off guard, I can guarantee you that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 01:21:10 No.23438139 Report

Quoted By: >>23438183

>>23438105
hmmm.
So replacing bisharp with Hydreigon, who should I replace for politoed and possibly a rain partner?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 01:25:09 No.23438163 Report

Quoted By: >>23438177 >>23438183

>>23437992
Aegislash and Bisharp have basically the same coverage, I suggest you replace one of them, you have to many steels with the same weaknesses.
Make the metagross Jolly and maybe give him Iron Head for better damage output, but if you like the priority it's alright.
Aegislash nature and EVs could use some explaining, but it seems kinda odd to use Relaxed instead of Quiet when not using Weakness Policy.
I don't remember the IVs needed for HP ground, but you may be wasting some EVs there, also on Aegislash you could take 4 from HP since it doesn't add anything at level 50
It seems like Rain would benefit your team, but if you don't want to replace anything for Politoed you could fit in Rain Dance on Thundurus, and catch people off guard.
There are some reports on NB with Metagross/Rain teams, you could take a look in there and see if you like them

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 01:27:47 No.23438177 Report

Quoted By: >>23438203

>>23438163
Going to read around NB on that, rework my team, and come back with progress.
Thank you for this, by the way!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 01:29:55 No.23438183 Report

Quoted By: >>23438199 >>23438319

>>23438139
Well looking at your initial team comp, I would say your best is to look at your main damage dealers- which member puts out more work as a special attacker for you: Sylveon, or Aegislash? Depending the answer, I'd say replace the other one for Poli.
Not here's the thing- you don't necessarily have to replace your whole team for this; instead consider that Thunderus could potentially fit the roll as that possible rain partner.
>>23438163
>you could fit in Rain Dance on Thundurus, and catch people off guard.
This isn't a bad idea. Hell, I'm currently running a pseudo rain team with M Metagross, using Milotic and Clefable as my rain setters. Ypur priority is guaranteed to offset Mega Zard Y's sun sets, and your the 2nd fastest prankster in the meta (watch out for Whimsicotts though)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 01:33:35 No.23438199 Report

Quoted By:

>>23438183
While I do like the thought of Rain Dance Thundurus, I think I'm going to run Politoed over Aegislash. Aegislash is used a lot less, it'll remove another Landorus weakness, and give another way to work around Landorus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 01:34:06 No.23438203 Report

Quoted By: >>23438319

>>23438177
No problem, always happy to help. I'd like to help more, but I'm not very familiar with Megagross. I do support the use of Hydreigon, since it covers Metagross incredibly well. Looking forward to see what you make of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 01:53:13 No.23438299 Report

Quoted By: >>23438361 >>23439291

Are Sand and Hail teams viable?

What do they carry nowadays besides TTar + Excadrill and Abomasnow respectively?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 01:55:23 No.23438319 Report

Quoted By: >>23438361 >>23438380

>>23438183
>>23438203
Back, here's roughly what I've come up with: http://pastebin.com/F2RzehWn
Thoughts now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 01:58:19 No.23438337 Report

Quoted By: >>23438376

Regionals is tomorrow AND Sunday, right? Because pokemon.com just says Sunday, May 17th.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 02:01:29 No.23438361 Report

Quoted By: >>23438385

>>23438299
Sand can do reliable chip damage and has some good boosting abilities, especially the global rock type +50% spD
Hail... not so much. It's harder to build a team around mono ice and overcoaters, and the only perk is grants is 100% accuracy (not perfect, 100%) Blizzards.
>>23411063
>>23411097
>>23411110
>>23411249
>>23411311
>>23411381
>>23411398
>>23412943
We actually just discussed hail earlier this thread.
>>23438319
Lookin' good, now go test it.
Question for you, does Terrekion get a chance to use taunt often?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 02:03:22 No.23438376 Report

Quoted By:

>>23438337
TCG is day 1, VGC is day 2. You're only gonna play vidya on Sunday.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 02:04:27 No.23438380 Report

Quoted By: >>23438421

>>23438319
Seems pretty solid. Test it out and see if you feel good with it. If you find yourself using Politoed and Thundurus often, maybe you could use Thunder over Thunderbolt for a little extra damage. Eventually you may want to put Protect on Hydreigon since it's Life Orb, but maybe you don't need that, depending on your style.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 02:05:19 No.23438385 Report

Quoted By: >>23438421

>>23438361
I'm not too sure, it just seemed like a better filler than Quick Guard. Helps with Amoongus matchups.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 02:11:26 No.23438421 Report

Quoted By: >>23438590

>>23438385
I can see why you'd say that. One more thing I did overlook >>23438380 picked up on, Protect would help, but may I recommend an alternative if you don't wish to remove any of the moves for protect? Assault Vesting my Hydregon had it survive several things it barley died to before, and it'd certainly catch many off guard. Won't do a difference to Sylveon, but otherwise in the neutral game it's not a bad idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 02:40:59 No.23438590 Report

Quoted By: >>23438646

>>23438421
I think I'll do that, yeah. Extra bulk is always nice.
besides that, any other things you think I should change before I get breeding?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 02:41:02 No.23438591 Report

Quoted By: >>23438646 >>23438659

So, there is a VGC15 doubles tourney coming around in my city and I decided to build a team and try to (hopefully) win the first round.

I'm pretty new to the competitive scene (like, 2 months of researching and casual battling, and I know jack shit about doubles and teams in general, so I grabbed the first team in here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sample-teams-for-vgc15.3526666/ and trying to roll forwards with it.

Do you think this team has got enough match-up coverage? I've been playing several regular battlespot doubles to test it out, and it has worked fine so far except when selecting the wrong leads, going against new kinds of strategy I didn't know about beforehand or going against straight up strong rivals.

Any advice for a newbiefag is welcome.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 02:50:43 No.23438646 Report

Quoted By: >>23438670

>>23438590
Not that I can see, but test it before you delve balls deep into this.
>>23438591
Pretty standard I reckon. Entei isn't used as much in the metagame because it's often outsped and Rock slide is common. He also cannot get a rock slide of his own. I'm sure you're understanding on Stone Miss' accuracy. Personally, I'd give it a focus sash or a lum berry (in case of Twave)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 02:50:53 No.23438647 Report

Quoted By: >>23438659 >>23438696

What's a good team to rip off so I can git gud before trying to build a team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 02:54:05 No.23438659 Report

Quoted By:

>>23438647
this one >>23438591
Just look up nuggetbridge for the standard teams.
Prob Kang/Amoongus/Dub Genies/Sylveon/Bisharp is a safe entry team, but make sure to expand once you know more. Talonflame is also pretty easy to grasp.
>>23437403
>>23437411
One thing I forgot to mention is Heatran and Talonflame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 02:57:33 No.23438670 Report

Quoted By: >>23438678

>>23438646
I've been pretty redundant on bringing Entei out tbh, I feel like he could be taken down easily (though it also saved some matches.)

And yeah, I'm always pretty scared of using Rock Slide with him opposed to just using Sacred Fire to get a burn on. I'll definitely try those two items, the more options, the better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 02:59:21 No.23438678 Report

Quoted By:

>>23438670
Stone Miss*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 03:04:54 No.23438696 Report

Quoted By:

>>23438647
Try Cybertron's Mega Venusaur team. I'm also a noob, but his team is easy to use and it's making me understand the meta pretty well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 06:20:01 No.23439291 Report

Quoted By:

>>23438299
i'm using a sand team right now and it's going very well against the current meta. Mega TTar is without a doubt the best weather setter. 9 times out of 10 it beats other weather teams including rain, the ability to set and re-set sand twice is unique and really strong.

Here is my team, feel free to copy/rate/hate

http://pastebin.com/p8r9X9zD

only problems i tend to have are from bulky waters, so I think it might be a good idea to make thundurus a bit more offensive

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 06:32:17 No.23439303 Report

Quoted By: >>23439417 >>23439575

The more I think about it, twave is just really really good. Especially with bulky thund. It can just sit there and twave as much as possible. And if you manage to have at least 2 mons para'd on the opponents side that 1/4 chance or whatever to fully para comes into play a lot more. I normally aplogize when i parahax someone but when you're using bulky thund, why bother? You're putting yourself in a good position for that to happen eventually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 07:23:49 No.23439417 Report

Quoted By:

>>23439303
Also unlike other forms of speed control it lasts forever.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 08:42:27 No.23439575 Report

Quoted By: >>23439632

>>23439303
Even though it was toned down a notch with electrics being immune to it, paralysis is seriously broken, people just don't realize it. Imagine if it didn't exist and you were told that next gen there'd be a status that quarters your speed AND prevents you from attacking 1/4th of the time, I would call bullshit and say Gamefreak wouldn't make something so retarded. It should either be temporary like sleep or have one of its properties removed. I've been saying this for years and still believe they'll wake up and nerf it eventually.

Remove paralysis.. after rock slide

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 09:06:05 No.23439632 Report

Quoted By:

>>23439575
I still hope they'll reduce non-certain secondary effect's proc chance on spread moves, when they're spread. Reduce Flinch on Slide, fewer paralysis on Discharge all while keeping Icy wind's speed drops a certainty. One can only dream.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 12:11:37 No.23440005 Report

Quoted By: >>23440030 >>23440157 >>23440174

Germany nationals stream @ twitch/amigoevent

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 12:21:45 No.23440030 Report

Quoted By: >>23440038 >>23440042

>>23440005
Welp, apparently they're on TCG now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 12:26:07 No.23440038 Report

Quoted By: >>23440042 >>23440073

>>23440030
Did vgc end or are they going to continue later?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 12:27:46 No.23440042 Report

Quoted By: >>23440073

>>23440030
>>23440038
Isn't TCG usually before VGC?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 12:43:16 No.23440073 Report

Quoted By:

>>23440038
>>23440042
I think I remember reading that the stream was going to alternate between them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 12:48:33 No.23440081 Report

Quoted By:

Anyone /seattle/ today?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 13:10:04 No.23440157 Report

Quoted By: >>23440173 >>23440174

>>23440005
vgc is on right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 13:13:30 No.23440172 Report

Quoted By: >>23440197

Dumb question, how many Play! Points do you need to enter Nats? I could look it up but I'm lazy and watching the German Nats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 13:13:32 No.23440173 Report

Quoted By:

>>23440157
I like how it's German nats but the competitors right now are both Italian and people in the chat are speaking English, Italain, French and Spanish but not German.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 13:13:33 No.23440174 Report

Quoted By:

>>23440005
>>23440157
I like the commentators.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 13:21:13 No.23440197 Report

Quoted By: >>23440203

>>23440172
US Nats, 5 PP.
Euro Nats, 0 PP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 13:22:39 No.23440203 Report

Quoted By:

>>23440197
Americunt here, so thank you. I should have enough after going to a Premier Challenge out in Springfield next weekend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 13:34:00 No.23440238 Report

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Anybody at Regionals in Sturbridge now and know what time the Win a Mat side events are going on?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 13:39:20 No.23440265 Report

Quoted By: >>23440270

>when your opponent almost wins because they make a stupid play, but then they make an even stupider play and end up losing because of it

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 13:40:48 No.23440270 Report

Quoted By: >>23440993

>>23440265
>when you have a win in the bag but make the stupidest fucking play possible and lose

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 13:50:51 No.23440325 Report

Quoted By: >>23440368

>have no HA Poliwag
>check X
>no Poliwag/whirl safari
Fuck. Time to go horde hunting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 13:53:19 No.23440336 Report

Quoted By: >>23440345 >>23440836 >>23440860

[09:49] @dingram: what the crap
TTT444 was muted by dingram for 7 minutes.
messenger 1 was muted by dingram for 7 minutes.
[09:49] +o abacaxi: run its the cops
[09:49] +MaximumZero: rofl
shadowmana was muted by dingram for 7 minutes.
[09:49] +Rubs95: lol
[09:49] +MaximumZero: i was expecting this
[09:49] +hamstermania: too many wekas :(
LightninSurfinPika was muted by dingram for 7 minutes.
[09:49] • +Aurorusite used Teleport! Aurorusite fled from VGC room!
Aurorusite was muted by dingram for 7 minutes.
Groc 93 was muted by dingram for 7 minutes.

Why is the showdown vgc room so shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 13:54:51 No.23440345 Report

Quoted By: >>23440829

>>23440336
Showdown is full of "no fun allowed" mods and admins and shit, I left that place a long time ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 14:02:18 No.23440368 Report

Quoted By:

>>23440325
>2015
>not looking for free breeding leftovers first

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 15:16:36 No.23440605 Report

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Is it just me or does the attack survival calculator not work? The minimum EVs button does nothing and the best EVs pretty much always either freezes or just gives 252 Hp, 4 Def, 252 Sp. Def no matter what I put in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 16:17:59 No.23440829 Report

Quoted By:

>>23440345
you've obviously not been on showdown for ages
its infested with teenage autists who deserve bans
>[09:49] • +Aurorusite used Teleport! Aurorusite fled from VGC room!
LETS BE FUCKN REAL

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 16:18:38 No.23440836 Report

Quoted By:

>>23440336

mods have to be anti-fun when there are shitty users shitting up the chat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 16:22:54 No.23440860 Report

Quoted By:

>>23440336
>Why is the showdown vgc room so shit?
Because seniors populate it.

2423-5342-1811

2423-5342-1811 Sat 16 May 2015 16:29:38 No.23440896 Report

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add me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 16:57:22 No.23440993 Report

Quoted By:

>>23440270
This so much

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 17:42:27 No.23441115 Report

Quoted By: >>23441119

Has anywhere posted the results from Germany's Swiss rounds? Usually Twitter and Nuggetbridge are all over that sort of thing, but I can't see it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 17:44:48 No.23441119 Report

Quoted By: >>23441272 >>23441276

>>23441115
Billa and Yoshi made it. Also some rumour about a Mega Sharpedo with ice beam making the cut.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 17:47:39 No.23441138 Report

Quoted By: >>23441276

this fucking pokepony interview they keep posting is not the way to get casual viewers into VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 18:21:36 No.23441272 Report

Quoted By:

>>23441119
good thing someone realized that Mixed MegaPedo is where it's at

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 18:23:00 No.23441276 Report

Quoted By: >>23441281 >>23441283 >>23442032

>>23441138
link?

>>23441119
>Mega Sharpedo with ice beam
Feels like an instance when LO might have been better, losing Speed boost too soon could be disastrous but maybe the stronger crunches are worth it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 18:24:15 No.23441281 Report

Quoted By:

>>23441276
twitch /amigoevent

they're no longer looping it but like, fo real nigga, chat hated that shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 18:25:26 No.23441283 Report

Quoted By: >>23441479

>>23441276
>252+ Atk Strong Jaw Mega Sharpedo Helping Hand Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 228-270 (100.4 - 118.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

REMOVE CRESSELIA (with helping hand support)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 19:05:56 No.23441479 Report

Quoted By: >>23441557

>>23441283
That's not bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 19:21:06 No.23441557 Report

Quoted By: >>23441605

>>23441479
Here's some other shit

>252+ Atk Strong Jaw Mega Sharpedo Crunch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 168-200 (100.5 – 119.7%) — guaranteed OHKO

>252+ Atk Strong Jaw Mega Sharpedo Crunch vs. 100 HP / 0 Def Mega Metagross: 168-200 (100 – 119%) — guaranteed OHKO

>92 SpA Mega Sharpedo Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 196-232 (100 - 118.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>92 SpA Mega Sharpedo Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Salamence: 180-212 (89.1 - 104.9%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

and just to kek

>252+ Atk Mega Sharpedo Rock Tomb vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Mega Charizard Y: 196-232 (105.9 - 125.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 19:28:44 No.23441605 Report

Quoted By: >>23441614 >>23442082 >>23442146

>>23441557
Would a core of Sharpedo/Clefairy possibly work? Friend guard would patch up sharpedo's shitty defenses and helping hand could help it snag some tougher kos

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 19:31:11 No.23441614 Report

Quoted By:

>>23441605
sounds good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 20:54:22 No.23441934 Report

Quoted By: >>23442031 >>23442043

Who's better? Azelf, Uxie or Mesprit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 21:10:11 No.23442031 Report

Quoted By:

>>23441934
Prolly not Uxie since cress can do everything Uxie can but better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 21:10:17 No.23442032 Report

Quoted By: >>23442083

>>23441276
From what I've seen, Ice Beam is pretty common on it. It's good for beating Landoruses, anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 21:11:37 No.23442043 Report

Quoted By:

>>23441934
Azelf is the only one that really has any niche, since it's primarily offensive but gets a good support movepool too. The others are just inferior Cresselia other than a couple of moves like U-Turn and Knock Off

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 21:17:00 No.23442082 Report

Quoted By:

>>23441605
With Friend Guard:
252 Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Sharpedo: 150-177 (103.4 - 122%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Landorus-T Superpower vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Sharpedo: 162-192 (111.7 - 132.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Sharpedo: 106-127 (73.1 - 87.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Sharpedo: 229-271 (157.9 - 186.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Sharpedo: 157-186 (108.2 - 128.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Admittedly it'll also have Follow Me support and can get a hit off after it's got a speed boost, but being OHKOd by four of the top five Pokémon, even with a supporter defending it, is kind of crap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 21:17:05 No.23442083 Report

Quoted By:

>>23442032
>-1 252+ Atk Strong Jaw Mega Sharpedo Ice Fang vs. 100 HP / 156 Def Landorus-T: 156-188 (88.1 - 106.2%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
>0 SpA Mega Sharpedo Ice Beam vs. 100 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 180-212 (101.6 - 119.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I guess ice beam would help but ice fang pretty much can get the job done anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 21:26:49 No.23442146 Report

Quoted By: >>23442305

>>23441605
Generally I would say Friend Guard is better for making bulky pokemon bulkier rather than making frail pokemon passable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 May 2015 21:46:30 No.23442305 Report

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>>23442146
That's a good point, thanks for that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 May 2015 01:55:33 No.23443832 Report

Quoted By: >>23444061

Rating Battles newfag here, literally can't leave 1500s. Any help (specifically with stuff like Team Preview) would be much appreciated, I don't want to stay a shitter

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 May 2015 02:41:24 No.23444061 Report

Quoted By:

>>23443832
Team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 May 2015 04:43:47 No.23444694 Report

Quoted By: >>23444726

new
>>23444692
>>23444692

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 May 2015 04:50:00 No.23444726 Report

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>>23444694
I suck and forgot the title and people get anal over that, so real one >>23444718

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