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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 18:24:15 No.23459886 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>23459905 >>23459913 >>23459916 >>23459918 >>23459920 >>23459921 >>23460694 >>23462891

Would a Sturdy Shedinja be acceptable in today's meta? It's killed day in and day out by non-damaging moves like hazards and status, so I don't really think anything would change. Except now it can be burned by Scald.

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!g1f1hD3dPw Tue 19 May 2015 18:27:52 No.23459905 Report

Quoted By: >>23459909 >>23459911

>>23459886
>all attacks whose aren't Normal or Fighting would 2HKO it

no

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 18:30:17 No.23459909 Report

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>>23459905
That's not how Sturdy Shedinja works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 18:31:05 No.23459911 Report

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>>23459905

>I've never seen a sturdy shedinja

It can't be killed without a mold breaker/variant or status/entry hazards

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 18:31:51 No.23459913 Report

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>>23459886
It would certainly be better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 18:32:32 No.23459916 Report

Quoted By: >>23460684

>>23459886
fuck no...that thing is only killable by non direct damage and would lead to over centralising

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 18:33:15 No.23459918 Report

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>>23459886
It would be very good and teams will have to prepare for it. But broken? No. According to Smogon? Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 18:33:35 No.23459920 Report

Quoted By: >>23460699

>>23459886
Maybe.
It would make some hyper offense teams change their strategy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 18:33:38 No.23459921 Report

Quoted By: >>23460711 >>23460753 >>23460857

>>23459886

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 20:43:51 No.23460684 Report

Quoted By: >>23460722

>>23459916
multi hit moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 20:45:31 No.23460694 Report

Quoted By: >>23463841

>>23459886
>complete immunity to direct attacks
>1 hp so it dies instantly to passive damage
>no immunity to any types of passive damage whatsoever

That's...honestly what Shedinja should have been in the first place I mean come on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 20:46:38 No.23460699 Report

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>>23459920
>hyper offence teams don't carry any passive damage whatsoever
>especially not on the 1 semi-defensive glue pokemon most have

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 20:48:40 No.23460711 Report

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>>23459921
>Not using prankster whimsicott with worry seed

do you really need the toxic spikes over encore/taunt support?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 20:48:50 No.23460713 Report

Quoted By: >>23460753

Soaked Shedinja is easier to set up arguably more dangerous but those few times you manage to set up Sturdy Shedinja are so much more satisfying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 20:51:21 No.23460722 Report

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>>23460684
don't do anything unless your talking about moves like fire spin or whirlpool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 20:57:20 No.23460748 Report

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>>23460722
any multi hit move. It doesnt have two abilities. just sturdy. Pretty sure thats how sturdy works

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 20:58:18 No.23460753 Report

Quoted By: >>23460768 >>23460782

>>23460713
What if you set up Soak then set up Sturdy while your opponent tries to figure out how to counter?

>>23459921
Wait, why do you need Worry Seed before Skill Swap? Does the game have a ban against swapping Wonder Guard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 20:58:41 No.23460759 Report

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>>23460748
Sturdy would activate on all 5 hits since it's always at full health. This isn't hypothetical by the way it's been tested.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 20:59:39 No.23460768 Report

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>>23460753
You can directly Skill Swap Wonder Guard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 21:00:54 No.23460773 Report

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>>23460768
That's what I'm asking, I don't know if there's a ban against it or what.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 21:02:14 No.23460782 Report

Quoted By: >>23460803

>>23460753
If by ban you mean that mechanically skill swap will not work for Wonder Guard, then yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 21:06:10 No.23460803 Report

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>>23460782
Yeah, that's what I meant. I didn't know that, thanks for clarifying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 21:14:35 No.23460850 Report

Quoted By: >>23460856 >>23460860 >>23460889

>>23460773
No it's actually a characteristic of wonder guard.
You can't copy or swap it. Only take it away

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 21:15:39 No.23460856 Report

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>>23460850 meant for >>23460773

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Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 21:16:01 No.23460857 Report

Quoted By: >>23460869

>>23459921
>special shedinja
is this to get around iron barbs

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 21:16:29 No.23460860 Report

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>>23460850
It can't be swapped or role played, but it can actually be traced

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 21:18:40 No.23460869 Report

Quoted By: >>23460888

>>23460857
And Rocky Helmet, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 21:22:22 No.23460888 Report

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>>23460869
you could consider doing Shadow Claw + Secret Power since the latter is non-contact, but then again it wouldn't do a lot of damage since you don't have access to Hone Claws

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 May 2015 21:22:29 No.23460889 Report

Quoted By: >>23463454 >>23463840 >>23466173

>>23460850
Actually, you can have Shedinja mimic Entrainment and give it away like that.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogondoubles-152050467

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 May 2015 02:45:43 No.23462891 Report

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>>23459886

my preferred solution is to make secondary damage type-based

Shedinja would be immune to hail, poison, spikes, and leech seed, but still get killed by burns, sandstorm, stealth rock, etc.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 20 May 2015 04:24:19 No.23463454 Report

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>>23460889
>substitute balloon minun with wonderguard
kek nice way to say fuck you in 6 turns

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 May 2015 05:48:11 No.23463840 Report

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>>23460889
>that absolute fucking salt
DELICIOUS.
SIMPLY DELICIOUS.
How autistic do you have to be to get THAT mad at losing to such a goofy set?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 May 2015 05:49:11 No.23463841 Report

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>>23460694
To be fair, in third gen, Sturdy only blocked OHKO moves like Fissure, not OHKOs in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 May 2015 17:14:54 No.23466173 Report

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>>23460889
I love you, wonderful Minun-kun!

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