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Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 18:09:06 No.23538991 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>23539051 >>23543903 >>23544601

If on paper Sheer Force is such a great ability

Why do most pokémon that have it land on UU or lower and some don't even fucking use sheer force (see Conk)!

Literally the only good sheer force user is a genie. Fuck..

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 18:10:48 No.23539002 Report

Quoted By: >>23539015

Because of speed tiers.

Landorus has sheer force and more than 100 speed, which none of the others have so they're shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 18:12:38 No.23539013 Report

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>why is rampardos considered bad even though it has 60/50 defenses, 58 speed and is weak to two of the three most common forms of priority

Gee bill

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 18:12:50 No.23539015 Report

Quoted By: >>23539027 >>23539042 >>23544243

>>23539002
Explain Conkeldurr then.

Why is sheer force the least desireable of its abilities?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 18:14:25 No.23539027 Report

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>>23539015
Because Guts laughs in the face of Burns: The Meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 18:16:21 No.23539042 Report

Quoted By: >>23539097

>>23539015
Because absorbing WoWs with Drain Punch is more desirable, along with Iron Fist boosting STAB priority. Sheer Force, while not used as much, is still good but outclassed on Conk.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 18:17:54 No.23539048 Report

Quoted By: >>23539051

Ok I'm defeated.

A mod can close this thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 18:19:09 No.23539051 Report

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>>23538991
>>23539048
stupid frogposter

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 18:28:38 No.23539097 Report

Quoted By: >>23539143

>>23539042
wtf are you talking about? life orb sheer force isn't outclassed, it's actually considered the better set on conkeldurr these days because everyone expects the shitty guts AV set

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/conkeldurr-revamp-qc-1-3.3536052/

>sheer force is the first set
>git guts is second

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 18:32:23 No.23539130 Report

Quoted By: >>23544246

Why is sheer force landorus better than sand force landorus? I guess that's obvious in gen VI now that infinite weather is gone, but with sand force active landorus' earthquake is stronger than his sheer force earth power, plus his attack stat is stronger than his special attack stat. Landorus also had swords dance over calm mind on the physical side, which would make him a stronger wall breaker and he could beat chansey without going mixed. So why was Landorus so much better with sheer force even in gen V when there was infinite weather? Is no life orb recoil simply THAT good? Is it because of better coverage, even though edgequake is some of the best in the game?

is it because special Landorus-I's type coverage leaves it only resisted by specially defensive psychic types, and psychic types can be guaranteed KO'd by the physical move pursuit and are especially vulnerable and easily worn down by U-turn? Does sheer force Lando actually owe his prominence to Ttar, even moreso than sand force lando does?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 18:34:16 No.23539143 Report

Quoted By: >>23539160

>>23539097
>don't reveal life orb too early
Written by a shitter. Anyone who can even get above 1300 knows there's a huge damage gap between LO SF Conk and AV Guts when it's not activated. Someone could tell in one move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 18:36:26 No.23539160 Report

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>>23539143
>AV guts without guts active is something like half as strong as LOSF Conk
>"yo don't use mach punch early you'll give away you're not guts"

Fucking christ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 18:36:38 No.23539162 Report

Quoted By: >>23539392

but Feraligatr is based as fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 18:36:44 No.23539164 Report

Quoted By: >>23539587 >>23542091

Many pokes would improve an hefty ton if high crits moves worked with Sheer Force.

For an instance, no one would complain about the lack of muh Rock Head on Rampardos because Stone Edge would be a better move to use. On top of not being a contact move.

We can't have good things though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 19:04:37 No.23539392 Report

Quoted By: >>23539431

>>23539162
Feraligatr would've been amazing if Crawdant didn't exist to steal it's thunder. Then again Gyrados also exists....

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 19:10:50 No.23539427 Report

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Conkeldurr uses Sheer Force. It's not as common as AV Guts because the ladder is full of scrubs, but a Life Orb set with Drain Punch, Mach Punch, and two of Thunder Punch, Ice Punch, or Poison Jab is totally viable and one of its better sets.

Looking at the other mons, they generally have other problems that keep them out of OU (Nidoking is outclassed, Braviary can't abuse it, Feraligatr is generally too slow, etc.)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 19:12:05 No.23539431 Report

Quoted By: >>23539498

>>23539392
Gatr is better than Daunt imo. Gatr is faster, isn't weak to Fairy, and actively had the bulk needed to setup. Daunt is only BL because it had Adaptability since the start of the gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 19:22:38 No.23539498 Report

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>>23539431
We'll see if Gatr gets banned to BL. As it is now Daunt is broken as fuck in UU, Gatr is S rank but I haven't seen people getting mad about him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 19:25:25 No.23539522 Report

Quoted By: >>23539559 >>23539597 >>23539621 >>23539642 >>23544255 >>23544649

Gatr is the best counter to talonflame ever. When his HA first released my dick would grow rock hard when i would take a brave bird go for the d dance and aqua jet that piece of shit out of the arena. I even had a couple rage dc's happen to me. Everyone should know by now that feraligatr outspeeds smogbird after one d dance by now though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 19:30:18 No.23539559 Report

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>>23539522
>Gatr is the best counter to talonflame ever
Yet another guy who doesn't know what a counter is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 19:34:17 No.23539587 Report

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>>23539164
Fucking Kingler would rise to UI if it could abuse Crabhammer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 19:37:14 No.23539597 Report

Quoted By: >>23539602 >>23539618 >>23539661

>>23539522
>+1 252 Atk Feraligatr Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 222-264 (74.7 - 88.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 19:38:10 No.23539602 Report

Quoted By: >>23539779

>>23539597
>what is the first turn's brave bird recoil

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 19:40:25 No.23539618 Report

Quoted By:

>>23539597
>no life orb
ok anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 19:41:12 No.23539621 Report

Quoted By:

>>23539522
Good luck switching on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 19:45:25 No.23539642 Report

Quoted By:

>>23539522
>DD+Jet
Shitter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 19:49:22 No.23539661 Report

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>>23539597
>+1 252 Atk Life Orb Feraligatr Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 289-343 (97.3 - 115.4%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 19:59:45 No.23539712 Report

Quoted By: >>23539727

Gatr doesn't even need +1 to kill Talonflame after a BB.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 20:01:53 No.23539727 Report

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>>23539712
No you don't need it.

But if you don't set up and just straight attack, then you'll be at 0 rather than at +1 when the next thing comes in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 31 May 2015 20:10:59 No.23539779 Report

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>>23539602
this.

fuckin moron

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Jun 2015 02:12:42 No.23542091 Report

Quoted By: >>23543691

>>23539164
So would the Critical Hit Bonus just not happen? That's not a secondary effect though is it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Jun 2015 02:15:21 No.23542112 Report

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ability =/= pokemon
they gave it to a lot of otherwise mediocre pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Jun 2015 07:17:38 No.23543691 Report

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>>23542091
No, the higher chance to crit would not happen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Jun 2015 08:16:11 No.23543863 Report

Quoted By: >>23543956 >>23544558

If on paper Wonder Guard is such a great ability why does every pokemon that has it end up in NU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Jun 2015 08:27:03 No.23543903 Report

Quoted By: >>23543941

>>23538991
/vp/ is getting more retarded with the day.

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Anonymous Mon 01 Jun 2015 08:46:07 No.23543941 Report

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>>23543903
no need to be so frontal

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Jun 2015 08:50:36 No.23543956 Report

Quoted By: >>23543984

>>23543863
That Pokémon only have 1 hp you retarded cuntosaurus-rex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Jun 2015 09:00:00 No.23543984 Report

Quoted By: >>23544228

>>23543956
>that's the joke.jpg

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Jun 2015 10:29:19 No.23544228 Report

Quoted By: >>23544558

>>23543984
nigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Jun 2015 10:35:16 No.23544243 Report

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>>23539015
It is probably Conkeldurr's better ability in this meta where the AV set can't do shit to most of the more common threats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Jun 2015 10:37:08 No.23544246 Report

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>>23539130
Because Sand Force is total shit and only boosts three types. Life Orb is negated by Sheer Force giving a pretty much free 1.69x boost to all attacks while Sand Force is only 1.3x.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Jun 2015 10:41:23 No.23544255 Report

Quoted By: >>23544748

>>23539522
1. Research what counter means

2. Realise Feraligatr is not a counter

3. Realise that Talonflame could carry Taunt, Will-O-Wisp, Banded Brave Bird, and that you have to presumably take Stealth Rocks, and definitely take at least one Life Orb hit with Aqua Jet, which is a roll to kill Feraligatr

4. Kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Jun 2015 12:31:32 No.23544558 Report

Quoted By: >>23544639

>>23544228
>>23543863

>newfag trying to fit in

Lurk more, son.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Jun 2015 12:48:11 No.23544601 Report

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>>23538991
Besides what's already been listed in the thread, the majority of Pokemon that get Sheer Force are physical attackers, and most physical attackers are pretty shit out of luck when it comes to moves that they can abuse Sheer Force with. Landorus is more of a physical attacker than a special attacker, granted, but 115 SpA and the limited special movepool it has is more than enough to make it extremely dangerous with Sheer Force.

Jesse

Jesse Mon 01 Jun 2015 12:59:39 No.23544639 Report

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>>23544558
Iunno man, I give it a 7/10 would reply

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Jun 2015 13:01:33 No.23544649 Report

Quoted By:

>>23539522
1. Get your facts right on what the fuck is a counter
2. Kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Jun 2015 13:36:20 No.23544748 Report

Quoted By: >>23544806

>>23544255
>banded brave bird

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Anonymous Mon 01 Jun 2015 13:51:14 No.23544806 Report

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>>23544748
>Not expecting it
fucking idiot.

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