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Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 06:40:51 No.23604284 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>23604396 >>23604511 >>23604540 >>23604603 >>23609020

Which one is better?

- High hp and shit defences
- Low hp and high defences

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 06:42:59 No.23604292 Report

Quoted By: >>23609072

If mega evolution continues to exist.. High HP, low defences. Because a mega can fix its defences.

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Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 07:02:46 No.23604365 Report

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i've always wondered this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 07:12:08 No.23604396 Report

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>>23604284
high hp and shit defenses
chansey has good spdef but garbage physical defense, but its hp makes up for its shortcomings
and to use the pokemon in your picture as an example, shuckle's low health but high defenses means that it's not nearly as bulky
the big decider though is recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 07:41:58 No.23604468 Report

Quoted By: >>23605826

High HP means
>better wish
>gets their shittier stat fixed with mega
>takes fixed damage attacks like seismic toss better
>better on Eviolite users who get the buffed defenses anyway

The only real argument for high defenses, low HP would be maybe in-game where you don't have to use hyper potions on happiny and you can use berry juice on shuckle

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 08:02:29 No.23604511 Report

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>>23604284
Low HP only useful for HP splitting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 08:10:08 No.23604540 Report

Quoted By: >>23604553

>>23604284
Do you really have to ask this question? It's pretty obvious. Pokemon like Chansey, Blissey, and Wobbufet are top-tier players, whereas shit like Shuckle is a gimmicky mememon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 08:14:19 No.23604553 Report

Quoted By: >>23604571

>>23604540
Shuckle is one recovery move away from being a nightmare, you cant be this dumb

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 08:24:31 No.23604566 Report

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It doesn't matter as long as you have a recovery move. Whether you're Wailord or Dusclops, you can't wall very much without one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 08:28:29 No.23604571 Report

Quoted By: >>23604597 >>23604600 >>23605664

>>23604553

Shuckle's held back most by its typing. Bug & Rock cancels each other's resistances out, leaving Shuckle with 2 resistances and 3 weaknesses, one of which is Rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 08:43:22 No.23604595 Report

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There are only two options

High HP low defense must have a neutral typing or common weaknesses

Low HP high defense must have great defensive typing

Shuckle is an interesting case. Introduced in gen 2. I guess it blocked normal and poison type moves pretty well...

I want to see a new high HP low defense Mon. Maybe something based on another dinosaur or a cloud(fairy/water)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 08:44:41 No.23604597 Report

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>>23604571
shuckle is banned from RU, if it ever gets some kind of recovery, it will be low OU/high UU easily

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 08:45:21 No.23604600 Report

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>>23604571
resistances don't matter as much on a wall as long as it has few weaknesses.

resistances matter a fuckton for things that want to switch on a lot of things. Lucario is a good example because steel lets it switch in on a shit ton of things it wants to threaten.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 08:47:37 No.23604603 Report

Quoted By: >>23604621 >>23605705

>>23604284
I used to use Shucle equipped with Leftovers with this moveset:
> Toxic
> Sand Storm
> Protect
> Double Team

First toxic, then protect to recover a bit of health, after that use sand storm which will damage the enemy and raise your special defence. Then protect and start using double team until you are unhitable. I managed to beat entire teams online using this strategy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 08:56:37 No.23604621 Report

Quoted By: >>23605249 >>23605778

>>23604603
I don't believe you beat anyone with this. I want to see a video. Because this set gets shot down hard by mons like brongzong or even poison heal shroomish

Why doesn't anyone use haze, clear smog, no guard, no miss moves, or keen eye when battling folks online

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 12:50:55 No.23605249 Report

Quoted By: >>23607789

>>23604621
> Keeping shuckle on the field against a Bronzong and not switching to something else
Retarded/10

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 14:25:55 No.23605664 Report

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>>23604571
Its typing also cancels out Rock's disastrous Ground and Fighting weaknesses, as well as Bug's Fire and Flying weaknesses.
Its typing is actually alright, its just Shuckle's shitty HP and no recovery that stops it from being great.
Also Steel types wall it to Purgatory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 14:33:52 No.23605705 Report

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>>23604603
You beat kids, good job

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 14:53:42 No.23605778 Report

Quoted By: >>23607789

>>23604621
>Why doesn't anyone use haze, clear smog, no guard, no miss moves, or keen eye when battling folks online

>Haze - it effects you as well
>Clear Smog - its weak/uncommon
>No Guard - lack of users, can be seen from a mile away
>No miss moves - most suck power-wise
>Keen Eye - most things with it get 'better' abilities

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 15:05:02 No.23605826 Report

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>>23604468
high def / low HP only really works on stuff like Dusclops that can use Pain Split effectively

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jun 2015 21:23:22 No.23607789 Report

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>>23605778
Please tell me how to deal with Moody glalie or minimize clefable on battle spot singles then if you know all the answer. You can't roar it away if that is the only Mon left. Sacred sword or chip away works sorta. I think curse keen eye skarm works too

>>23605249
That is why that anon shouldn't have 6-0 an entire team with one shuckle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jun 2015 00:38:44 No.23609020 Report

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>>23604284
Low HP/High defenses. HP doesn't operate on the same scale as the rest of the stats do.

A pokemon with 20/64 physical bulk has fairly similar physical bulk to a non-eviolite Chansey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 11 Jun 2015 00:49:29 No.23609072 Report

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High HP low Defenses is generally more point-efficient for overall bulk simply because HP affects both physical and special durability. There's obviously some wiggle room, especially if you're planning on investing.

Plus like >>23604292 said, Megas don't change HP, so having a pile of HP to begin with means each point added to defenses goes that much further if/when they mega evolve.

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