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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:07:52 No.24614721 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>24614782 >>24614812 >>24614846 >>24615304 >>24615508 >>24617213 >>24618973

>theyre finally promoting Zoroark
Who's ready for that new Zoroark mega in Z ver?

>tfw if they actually promoted Zoroark at the beginning of gen 5 like they are now with distros and such, we likely would be rid of Lucario by now

Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy

Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:08:50 No.24614730 Report

Quoted By: >>24614745 >>24614885 >>24615210 >>24615471 >>24615503 >>24615599 >>24615636 >>24615650 >>24616309 >>24616424 >>24618348

What ability would Mega-Zoroark have?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:10:52 No.24614745 Report

Quoted By: >>24616235

>>24614730
>Super Duper Illusion
>You can choose this pokemon to appear as Alomamola.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:16:23 No.24614782 Report

Quoted By: >>24614790 >>24614798 >>24614847 >>24614853 >>24615082 >>24615163

>>24614721

Nah, instead of trying to replace Lucario, they should have marketed Zoroark as a rival/"evil" counterpart to Lucario.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:17:38 No.24614790 Report

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>>24614782
>implying Lucario's fanbase isn't into all that edgy grimdark stuff

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:18:16 No.24614798 Report

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>>24614782
Still time to do that, honestly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:20:28 No.24614812 Report

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>>24614721
Lucario is the lesser evil of the two.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:26:13 No.24614846 Report

Quoted By: >>24614891 >>24614915 >>24615214

>>24614721
>Z
>Z-oroark

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:26:22 No.24614847 Report

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>>24614782
>Lucario, the Dog
>Zoroark, the Fox

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:27:18 No.24614853 Report

Quoted By: >>24614928

>>24614782
>Lucario easily beats Zoroark in a fight
Steel type stopped resisting dark (for some reason) but I would never send a Zoroark to fight a Lucario.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:29:33 No.24614866 Report

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In the next Pokemon game Zoroark will use his ability to impersonate Dark Mewtwo.

Don't ask me questions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:32:51 No.24614885 Report

Quoted By: >>24615187

>>24614730
Ability: Hoax
Takes the form, typing and attacks of the pokemon in the above party slot.

(Damage breaks the illusion but reactivates next turn)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:33:18 No.24614891 Report

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>>24614846

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:37:01 No.24614915 Report

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>>24614846
>>24614891

Next Pokemon game is called Pokemon V sorry.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:39:42 No.24614928 Report

Quoted By: >>24615296

>>24614853

Lucario has a higher BST too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:43:43 No.24614950 Report

Quoted By: >>24615006

I thought Zoroark already failed to be another Lucario

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:45:24 No.24614970 Report

Quoted By: >>24615007

I really like Zoroark as a design but I don't like the trickster concept and the ability.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:48:06 No.24614991 Report

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Would you _hug a Zoroark?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:50:34 No.24615006 Report

Quoted By: >>24615010 >>24615050

>>24614950
Mostly due to poor promotion when compared to Lucario.
Zoroark was near impossible to find ingame in B/W, while you were handed a Riolu egg during the story in D/P/Pt., they also starting promoting Lucario way before it came out and overall did a way better job promoting Lucario while fucking up when promoting Zoroark.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:50:38 No.24615007 Report

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>>24614970
I find it fitting since that it's based in a kitsune.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 20:51:49 No.24615010 Report

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>>24615006

Near impossible? It was a fucking event mon. You had to look at a Zorua in a book to register it in your pokédex and beg for one on GTS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 21:01:23 No.24615050 Report

Quoted By: >>24615638

>>24615006

The distribution was just one factor.

There were many others.

- Lucario's portrayal in his movie vs. Zoroark's portrayal in hers. The movie barely focuses on Zoroark, and she doesn't talk. Most of the focus is given to Zorua, who does talk.
- Lucario has a unique (except for Cobalion who didn't exist yet) type combination of Fighting/Steel while Zoroark is yet another mono-Dark type.
- Overall, Zoroark just wasn't as appealing to the kiddies as Lucario is. Zoroark had replaced Lucario on Pokemon Sunday, but due to demand from the audience, it was booted off and replaced with Lucario again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 21:09:26 No.24615082 Report

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>>24614782
Damn, son. That's actually a really good idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 21:24:51 No.24615163 Report

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>>24614782

Zoroark would have made a great Waluigi to Lucario's Luigi

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 21:29:39 No.24615187 Report

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>>24614885
Nigger that would require switching out and in. Youd have to m-evolve to get the new ability. Wouldnt work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 21:34:23 No.24615210 Report

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>>24614730

Trace

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 21:35:25 No.24615214 Report

Quoted By: >>24615250

>>24614846
>pokemon z
>Go on a brand new adventure
>team flare being faggots
>collected 7 badges, one more to go but story calls
>ancient prophecy of z
>lysandre tells you all about zygarde
>he sets his plans into action, time to end the world
>manfight your way to his lab and defeat everyone
>its to late the zygarde plan has been set to motion
>long walk to the mountain of doom
>get to the final battle
>stop zygarde before it destroys the world
>only you can stop it trainer, you can do it
>it takes damage
>it was fucking zoroark!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 21:41:15 No.24615250 Report

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>>24615214
Kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 21:48:28 No.24615296 Report

Quoted By: >>24616251 >>24619062

>>24614928
Why would they do that? I thought they were some kind of cross gen counterparts to begin with so I assumed they had equal BSTs.

If they were to adjust Zoroark's BSTs to be equal with Lucario's though, where should the extra 15 points go?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 21:50:14 No.24615304 Report

Quoted By: >>24615931

>>24614721
>Make Mega Zoroark OP AF
>Illusion

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 22:22:55 No.24615471 Report

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>>24614730
added Fairy-typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 22:28:39 No.24615503 Report

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>>24614730
Trace would be neat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 22:29:15 No.24615508 Report

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>>24614721
well if the Ash Greninja becomes a thing that increases stats i think zoroark will get one of those

keeping illusion but just making Zoroark stronger

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 22:41:50 No.24615599 Report

Quoted By: >>24619052

>>24614730
Assuming it can't evolve while Illusion is active. I think it should have some kind of recovery ability. That way, Zoroark isn't fighting handicapped. Also, I hope it's a Dark/Ghost type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 22:48:26 No.24615636 Report

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>>24614730
If they manage a way to no trigger the mega evolution text (for the opponent) it would be viable. Keep illusion.

Also it needs a greater movepool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 22:48:51 No.24615638 Report

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>>24615050
>kids like lucario

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 22:51:25 No.24615650 Report

Quoted By: >>24615679 >>24616424 >>24618578

>>24614730
It'd be best if it just got a typical offense boosting ability, like Sheer Force. It'd work best in tandem with Illusion on it's own-- popping a mega out of an unsuspecting pokemon would justify the ability's use enough.

Not that Zoroark as is is great or anything, but most people have no fucking idea how to use it. They think that they need to somehow trick the opponent the entire match, when in reality you only need 1 turn of fooling the opponent to make the ability worth it. The issue stems from Zoroark's subpar offensive presence. It's just too average in combat. A mega with high offensive ability to take advantage of Dark STAB would find it's worth, easy.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 22:56:27 No.24615679 Report

Quoted By: >>24615696

>>24615650
it makes a good volt-turn core with manectric because they both have flamethrower
I don't play competitive anymore but it was a ton of fun when manectric was UU. Assault vest metagross for support

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 22:59:11 No.24615696 Report

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>>24615679
well not really it instantly gives away that its not manectric because of no intimidate

Beedrill,Toxcicroak and Crobat are good partners for zoroark

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2015 23:43:58 No.24615931 Report

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>>24615304

Why does Eyeore have a tiny mouth now? Is this part of the New52 approach to Pooh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 00:53:00 No.24616235 Report

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>>24614745
Kek 10/10

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 00:55:11 No.24616245 Report

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Mega Zoroark doesn't show it's gone Mega.
Mega Zoroark gets stab bonus based on what it was transformed into

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 00:55:33 No.24616251 Report

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>>24615296
HP or Sp. Def

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 01:05:32 No.24616309 Report

Quoted By: >>24617391 >>24618979

>>24614730
>Mega Illusion
>This Pokemon's disguise Mega Evolves alongside it. If the disguise has no Mega Evolution, the disguise is broken.

>Zoroark is disguised as Gengar
>Mega Evolve
>the illusion Gengar Mega Evolves into Mega Gengar, when in actuality, it's a Mega Zoroark

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 01:23:26 No.24616424 Report

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>>24614730
Protean

>>24615650
Another thing people don't get about Zoroark is that they think you always have to use it with pokemon that use the same moves as it. One of the best ways to use this thing is to disguise it as the most threatening pokemon on your team then luring out and killing that pokemon's counters for it.

Pretend to be an Azumarill -> Flamethrower the Ferrothorn that comes in
Pretend to be Lopunny -> Dark Pulse the Tank Chomp
Pretend to be Metagross -> Dark Pulse the Slowbro

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 03:46:31 No.24617213 Report

Quoted By: >>24618978

>>24614721
I'm kind of hoping that if it does get a mega, it's a Dark/Fairy typing. It would be a unique typing, and more importantly would be a great reference to European folklore about "faeries:" fey tricksters and shapeshifters who love playing pranks, often through the use of illusions.

Might not have any moves to benefit from the added STAB-bonus potential, but Fairy doesn't have many straight-damage moves in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 04:25:37 No.24617391 Report

Quoted By: >>24619057

>>24616309
>What is Pokémon Insurgence M-Zoroark?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 04:30:00 No.24617421 Report

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just make its mega Dark/fire with adaptability to piss off houndoom

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 09:02:48 No.24618348 Report

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>>24614730
Adaptability

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 10:25:25 No.24618578 Report

Quoted By: >>24618640

>>24615650
Zoroark just needs to have a wide movepool. It should be able to run things like GigaDrain/Energy Ball, Water Pulse, Flash Cannon, Aura Sphere, Psychich/Psyshock, Sludge Bomb, etc. No need to be very powerful, just type diversity.

Just with that, it could be used to fool the enemy easier. You could pass for a lot of Pokémon. Currently, you have Extrasensorial, Flamethrower and Focus Blast I think? At most you can pass for a Chandelure with Flamethrower but it's not very useful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 11:03:06 No.24618640 Report

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>>24618578
its move pools already good
Dark Pulse,Flamethrower,Focus blast,Grass knot and now sludge bomb via event

Speed and lack of power zoroarks problem a secondary stab would not hurt

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 13:56:03 No.24618973 Report

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>>24614721
>Gen V fucked something up

Wow, what a surprise

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 13:57:48 No.24618978 Report

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>>24617213
That's fuckin dumb and won't happen, thankfully.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 13:57:53 No.24618979 Report

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>>24616309
> While the illusion is up, Mega Zorork's ability is also the same as its illusion's ability

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 13:58:04 No.24618981 Report

Quoted By: >>24618988

you fags got your sludge bomb Zoroark yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 14:01:25 No.24618988 Report

Quoted By: >>24619022

>>24618981
Not worth it. What a lameass move.

But I'm glad it's not Lucario once in a while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 14:12:47 No.24619022 Report

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>>24618988
thats true, however its nice to have it if any fairyfags fight you i guess

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 14:28:40 No.24619052 Report

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>>24615599
Dark/Fairy would make more sense, as it'd still bring the typings of magical and mischievous into one. Ghost makes no sense, as it doesn't have a connection with the dead or death to begin with.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 14:30:04 No.24619057 Report

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>>24617391
>Insurgence
>Google
>Those megas

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 14:31:08 No.24619062 Report

Quoted By: >>24619107

>>24615296
Speed. It's clear that Zoroark isn't tanky at all, so may as well make it also strike hard and fast at the same time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Nov 2015 14:46:40 No.24619107 Report

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>>24619062
I was going to go with all in Sp. Attack, but you're probably right

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