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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 13:19:28 No.24704149 View View Reply Original Report

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ITT: They will never be good in any meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 13:28:47 No.24704189 Report

Quoted By: >>24704200 >>24704209 >>24704235 >>24704345 >>24704398 >>24704467

>implying corsola isn't the ultimate counter to talonflame
I use it with recover/scald/power gem/mirror coat and natural cure.
It's not very good, but its still the best talonflame counter aside from heatran

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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 13:31:31 No.24704200 Report

Quoted By: >>24704203 >>24704209

>>24704189
> ultimate counter to talonflame

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 13:32:45 No.24704203 Report

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>>24704200
>talonflame used will-o-wisp!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 13:34:24 No.24704209 Report

Quoted By: >>24704232

>>24704200
>>24704189
>Talonflame used Hidden Power Grass!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 13:34:37 No.24704210 Report

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252+ Atk Choice Band Hustle Corsola Head Smash vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 465-547 (72.4 - 85.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
This is a fun gimmick. Chansey is only an example, I know it would kill itself if this hit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 13:37:38 No.24704224 Report

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I'm glad gamefreak actually got their heads out of their asses and gave it a fitting hidden ability at the least, that is usable and actually matches its pokedex description.

Also it's easily one of the cutest pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 13:39:37 No.24704232 Report

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>>24704209
> Hidden Power Grass
Poor Corsola

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 13:40:35 No.24704235 Report

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>>24704189
>+2 252 Atk Apicot Berry Talonflame Natural Gift (100 BP Ground) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Corsola: 254-300 (80.8 - 95.5%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
Between Brave Bird, Flare Blitz and all possible Natural Gifts + Swords Dance, Talonflame has no hard counters below Ubers.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 13:45:19 No.24704260 Report

Quoted By: >>24704269 >>24704498

Even though it has a pretty good movepool (boosting moves, different physical and special attacks, status moves) it's either outclassed or plain bad.

I honestly struggle to make a good build for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 13:46:27 No.24704269 Report

Quoted By: >>24704330 >>24704359 >>24704365 >>24704483

>>24704260
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-283754100

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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 14:02:45 No.24704330 Report

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>>24704269
Why did champ ruin that game ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 14:06:44 No.24704345 Report

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>>24704189
>Talonflame used natural gift!

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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 14:13:32 No.24704359 Report

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>>24704269
Assault Vest Punching Hypno? That's actually cool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 14:15:23 No.24704365 Report

Quoted By: >>24704389

>>24704269
>http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-283754100
Whats the EV spread and ability for this Hypno?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 14:21:28 No.24704382 Report

Quoted By: >>24704389

>>24704235
>>24704345
Who the hell runs natural gift talonflame?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 14:23:54 No.24704389 Report

Quoted By: >>24705354

>>24704365
donnel Mew (Hypno) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Insomnia
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
Adamant Nature
- Zen Headbutt
- Drain Punch
- Fire Punch
- Ice Punch

if it gets a kill

donnel Mew (Mesprit) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
Adamant Nature
- Zen Headbutt
- Fire Punch
- Knock Off
- U-Turn

if it gets two kills in one game

Mew @ Assault Vest
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 248 HP / 224 Atk / 36 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Zen Headbutt
- Drain Punch / Earthquake
- Knock Off
- U-Turn / Fire Punch / Gunk Shot

Inspired by this idiot: http://fgts.jp/vp/thread/24495888

>>24704382
Natural Gift Talonflame was the standard in early XY when everyone and their mother was running Rotom-Wash to deal with it. It's still seen at times, usually with Liechi Berry (Grass) or Apicot Berry (Ground).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 14:26:53 No.24704398 Report

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>>24704189
Why not Barbaracle?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 14:45:05 No.24704467 Report

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>>24704189
it's shit
and it's not the best talonflame counter AT ALL
even omastar is better

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 14:48:31 No.24704483 Report

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>>24704269
lol what a terrible replay

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 14:49:11 No.24704487 Report

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Regirock best smogburd counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 14:50:27 No.24704492 Report

Quoted By: >>24704500 >>24704549

Farfetch'd
Ledian
Sudowoodo
Corsola
Carnivine
Sunflora
Delcatty
Luvdisc

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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 14:51:26 No.24704498 Report

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>>24704260
I just wish it could learn Payday.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 14:52:15 No.24704500 Report

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>>24704492
Just wait for next Gen totally fair Megas

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 14:53:37 No.24704505 Report

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>>24704500
they will never get megas
and the problem is, even with megas some of those are just so bad even the megas would be shitty or just not that good
that is, unless you minmax and huge power the shit out of them

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 15:04:56 No.24704549 Report

Quoted By: >>24704629

>>24704492
To be fair most of those was never meant to be viable really

Farfetch'd is a literal joke
Ledian is an early-game bug
Skitty is an early-game normal type
Sudowoodo is a gimmick pokemon
Sunflora and Corsola aren't terrible with support
Luvdisc is also a gimmick pokemon

I'll give you Carnivine tough

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 15:26:47 No.24704629 Report

Quoted By: >>24704649

>>24704549
>Sunflora and Corsola aren't terrible with support
lolwut yes they are
sunflora can't do shit with chlorophyll since it's slow as fuck and can't do shit either with solar power since it's just not that strong. can't set up anything since it doesn't have sleep powder. while corsola can't do anything at all since it has nothing of redeeming.
also skitty isn't that early game

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 15:31:19 No.24704649 Report

Quoted By: >>24704676 >>24704709

>>24704629
Sunflora is decent as a TR attacker and Corsola has the novelty of Hustle Head Smash

Yes Skitty is early in the game, you can catch it before getting your first gym badge

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 15:37:24 No.24704676 Report

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>>24704649
The same way Jigglypuff, Clefairy, Whismur, Buneary and many other Normal-type/Moon Stone users found early on, right? Skitty is not even a Normal-type rodent. Delcatty really is not supposed to be so shit.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 15:45:44 No.24704709 Report

Quoted By: >>24704735

>>24704649
>TR attacker
lol it's one of the worst
>Hustle Head Smash
that's a horrible gimmick lol not to mention it has the attack stat of a rattata

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 15:54:07 No.24704735 Report

Quoted By: >>24704753

>>24704709
>lol it's one of the worst
Yeah there are better but still 105 base sp atk means it's perfectly viable
>that's a horrible gimmick lol not to mention it has the attack stat of a rattata
Yeah it's gimmicky but atleast it's not perfectly useless like Delcatty

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 15:58:55 No.24704753 Report

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>>24704735
>still 105 base sp atk means it's perfectly viable
it's shit for TR standards. not only that but it can't do much either since it has a shitty movepool
also delcatty can thunder wave ground types, that must mean it has a niche no?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 16:08:02 No.24704804 Report

Quoted By: >>24704827

Here's the question tough - how would you do a Mega Delcatty? Here's an idea:

Normal -> Normal/Ghost
Ability: Fur Coat
HP: 70 -> 70
ATK: 65 -> 75 (+10)
DEF: 65 -> 85 (+20)
SP ATK: 55 -> 55 (+0)
SP DEF: 55 -> 105 (+50)
SPE: 70 -> 90 (+20)

So yeah, a decently fast bulky support mon. It already has stuff like Helping Hand, Wish, etc so it could be viable as a mega if you're playing doubles. Fur Coat and the normal/ghost-typing is pretty cool. I tried to make it realistic and not massively minmax it.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 16:15:31 No.24704827 Report

Quoted By: >>24704873

>>24704804
what's with the secondary ghost typing? delcatty doesn't have anything that would suggest ghostly or "haunty"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 16:25:08 No.24704873 Report

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>>24704827
>muh schroedinger

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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 18:04:12 No.24705354 Report

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>>24704389
Natural Gift isn't even a 2OHKO on a defensive rotom, best you'll see is Ground to deal with Heatran

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 18:19:11 No.24705436 Report

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>>24704398
Shit design

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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2015 18:22:27 No.24705447 Report

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It hurts, anons. It hurts ;_;

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