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>>24738092
Because Gamefreak decided the Fairy Type was a better counter to Dragons than making Ice worth a damn.

Let's look at Ice as a type.
Resistances: 1 (Itself and nothing else)
Weaknesses: 4 (Fighting, Rock, Steel, Fire)

This is why nobody uses ice types.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:14:02 No.24743003 Report

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>>24738082
>Rock/Ground
>Rock/Steel
>Rock/Ice

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:15:07 No.24743010 Report

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>>24742971
ice isn't supposed to be a good defensive type, nor was it intended to beat dragons

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:16:56 No.24743013 Report

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>>24743010
And yet they keep making defensive ice types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:18:59 No.24743020 Report

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>Still no Stratagem
>Still no Syclant
What the fuck Game Freak?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:19:44 No.24743021 Report

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>>24743013
it wouldn't be very interesting if every ice type was the same glass cannon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:20:01 No.24743022 Report

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>>24742971
Good luck getting past Dragonite with non-STAB ice moves :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:21:31 No.24743027 Report

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>>24743021
But literally none of them are.
The best we have in that department is a glass peashooter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:23:14 No.24743032 Report

Quoted By: >>24750391

>Still no Rock/Ice/Water type Alakazam equivalent

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:23:19 No.24743033 Report

Quoted By: >>24743050 >>24743060

>>24743010
>Never intended to be a good defensive type
>what is Lapras, Vanilluxe, Aurorus, Obamasnow, Articuno, Avalugg, Mamoswine, Regice, Walrein, Cloyster, Glaceon
The reason they never buffed ice it's because it would dethrone the Dragon type so fucking bad it would send Garchomp and a few ubers to NU

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:25:41 No.24743040 Report

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>send post
>post is nowhere to be seen
Ok? Thanks for the functional 4chan, Mook.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:28:41 No.24743050 Report

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>>24743033
>Aurorus
Stopped reading right there

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:29:49 No.24743052 Report

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>>24738082
>2015
>defensive ice types
>still no balanced buffs in sight to make them viable

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:31:17 No.24743060 Report

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>>24743033
Only a few of those are purely defensive ice types, the rest are either just average at everything or offensive. It doesn't really matter though because not every pokemon is created to be used in competitive battles, every type has a wide variety of pokemon regardless of its asset and flaws

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:34:58 No.24743075 Report

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>>24743027
We have Weavile. Fast as fuck, hits appreciably hard, dies to a whisper.
It's also one of if not the best non-legendary Ice-type(s) in the game. A special Weavile would be god-tier, even taking into account the lack of a useful ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:35:48 No.24743078 Report

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>>24743050
123/73/92 bulk

Imagine that thing without all those crippling weaknesses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:36:50 No.24743080 Report

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>>24743060
"A few" is an understatement. Most of them have pretty great bulk that's just hindered by the shitting typing.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:45:31 No.24743099 Report

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>>24738092
Because ice has good offensive moves. Why do people choose to just run them on water types though?

Same with Rock type but not quite as bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:45:47 No.24743100 Report

Quoted By: >>24743111 >>24743126

>>24743080
>that's just hindered by the shitting typing
which goes back to the point that they're not supposed to be good defensively

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:50:24 No.24743111 Report

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>>24743100
Which goes back to the point where yet they keep making defensive ice types. Are you retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:53:34 No.24743124 Report

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>>24743111
Did you read
>It doesn't really matter though because not every pokemon is created to be used in competitive battles, every type has a wide variety of pokemon regardless of its asset and flaws

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:54:25 No.24743126 Report

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>>24743100
They have the stats for it, the typing just needs a buff. Or at least don't fucking pair it with something that makes the Pokémon even more frail.

But yeah I don't think the metagame is prepared for a complete 180º turn. Just make a really good ice Pokémon, starting by giving Weavile and Froslass megas and Kyurem-B some moves.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 11:58:45 No.24743137 Report

Quoted By: >>24743168 >>24743223 >>24750405

I remember a person on another thread saying it was more marketable to just make new things than fixing old ones. I guess it's the case here with ice. It was good for literally ONE gen.

I wish GF would just balance shit, as much as I like pokemon having my favorite types being complete trash makes me not want to play anymore.

>>24743010
>nor was it intended to beat dragons
>literally the only thing that hit dragons SE
>only found near the end of the game
>E4 leader was a dragon type user
>"not intended to beat dragons"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 12:08:02 No.24743156 Report

Quoted By: >>24743191 >>24743225 >>24746932

>>24743124
Yes, I did. Most if not all of those pokemon named have the stats and abilities to be useful if it weren't for the shitty ice typing though.

To have good ice type pokemon it could be as simple as giving it a couple of resists like to grass and flying (and water if you really want to shake it up) and make hail give them a 50% defence boost. That'd be acceptable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 12:12:52 No.24743168 Report

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>>24743137
It's possible to add new shit and balance existing content

Plus is faggot type the best thing XY had going for it marketing wise?

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 12:14:17 No.24743175 Report

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>>24740515
stop posting on a +18 website my boy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 12:19:12 No.24743191 Report

Quoted By: >>24743294

>>24743156
>Most if not all of those pokemon named have the stats and abilities to be useful if it weren't for the shitty ice typing though
You can so this with almost any Pokemon + type. Steel is a bad offensive type, garbage Pokemon like Durant and Klinklang would be much better if they had a different type that's better suited towards their stats/movepool

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 12:26:28 No.24743210 Report

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>>24743168
>It's possible to add new shit and balance existing content
The thing is, they just don't. And it actually works too, just look at all the casuals and normies saying how a good addition fairies types are because they counter dragons. They don't even consider that making ice immune to dragon wouldn't achieve the same effect without shitting on other innocent types (especially bug).
>Plus is faggot type the best thing XY had going for it marketing wise?
Fairies and megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 12:27:16 No.24743212 Report

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>>24743078
nah fuck that, imagine it with more SpAtk and a lil more Speed

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 12:29:06 No.24743218 Report

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This is the problem with ice types

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 12:29:26 No.24743223 Report

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>>24743137
>>24743210
They buffed Poison, Dark, Ghost and arguably (but really it can handle the 2 lost resistances) Steel this gen by changing type resists around. They also buffed other types in less direct ways like Grass immunity to spores and Electric immunity to paralysis. Gen VI did a huge switch up to types other than just the introduction of Fairies.

Ice is the only type that has come out worse this side of the generation because it's now lost its exclusive non-dragon STAB effectiveness against dragon. Fairy has more working for it than just that, so now Ice is more than ever just a good source of moves for Water types.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 12:30:01 No.24743225 Report

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>>24743156
Or just review the power creep so you aren't getting 2HKO by neutrals and OHKOed by resists. Then the type matchup becomes less important, ice types such as Cloyster can tank again, etc.

Ice was fine up to gen 3, then it went downhill as everyone started to get huge coverage moves and +x% abilities.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 12:30:29 No.24743226 Report

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>>24738082
daily reminder that pokemonfags are the new face of autism

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 12:30:32 No.24743227 Report

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>>24743212
It doesn't need more SpAtk fuckwad. It already got refrigerate+Hyper Voice

And if you're not happy with that it got perfect accurate Blizzards too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 12:32:42 No.24743231 Report

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>>24743223
>Ghost
With Knock Off being more prevalent than ever, I'd say ghost types were actually nerfed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 12:32:50 No.24743234 Report

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>>24743226
>new

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 12:35:24 No.24743240 Report

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>>24743227
99 isn't particulary good anymore, they could have but all the offensive power in a single stat like Tyrantrum but nah let's make it slow, bulky with shit def typing AND let's waste some stats into attack! INGENIOUS!

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 12:40:15 No.24743260 Report

Quoted By: >>24743290 >>24743817

>Light type

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 12:50:57 No.24743290 Report

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>>24743260
what could have been

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 12:52:36 No.24743294 Report

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>>24743191
Great. Which is why they don't try and make a lot of glass cannon steel types. Steel isn't even a bad offensive type anyways, it's fairly good now that Fairy is on the scene.

>>24743225
Difference between Ice and the others is that Ice is the only type still stuck in Gen III. I guess IV. It needs some improvement.

>>24743231
That's more just some meta stuff. It's like if there was a commonly learnable grass type move that had a decent base power and a spore secondary effect then water usage would probably go down. Ghost though has now become the best type in regards to neutral coverage and it's immune to trapping, so I'd still consider it buffed.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 13:40:51 No.24743406 Report

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>>24738082
>Ice/Ground Garchomp

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 13:49:55 No.24743427 Report

Quoted By: >>24743522

>ice resists ground
>ice resists flying

There I fixed the whole game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 13:55:23 No.24743435 Report

Quoted By: >>24743443

At least Game Freak respects Ice. It's always the seventh or eighth Gym, and has had multiple Elite Four representatives.

Rock, on the other hand, has been the first Gym three times (Generations I, III and IV) and the second Gym once (VI). There's never been a Rock-type Elite Four member either.

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 13:59:54 No.24743443 Report

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>>24743435
>Sturdy/Solid Rock+Rock Polish
>Rock Head+Head Smash
>50% Sp. Def. boost in sandstorm

It's not good, but it has something

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 14:39:18 No.24743522 Report

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>>24743427
>water still having only 2 resists
>fairy still having only 2 weakness

Great fix there m8

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2015 16:13:44 No.24743817 Report

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>>24743260
>STILL liking Graveler

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2015 00:01:04 No.24746126 Report

Quoted By: >>24746318

I think everybody is forgetting ice types can't be frozen...

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2015 00:28:11 No.24746318 Report

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>>24746126
Big fucking woop

Freeze is so rare no one gives a rats ass about it. You can. Go battles without having it occurred unless your team spams Ice Beam like there's no tomorrow (the only reason to even use ice attacks is to kill things that die in one hit for ice attacks)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2015 00:36:37 No.24746369 Report

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>>24743223

>Ice is the only type that has come out worse this side of the generation

How can you forget Bug? Resisted by Fairy, introduction of Priority Bird, and no buffs at all.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2015 00:46:45 No.24746412 Report

Quoted By: >>24746474

>>24746369
Ice got it so much worse than Bug. At least Bug has a bunch of good mons going for it whereas Ice has Weavile, Kyu-B and maybe Froslass. Everything else got dunked by meta trends or was shit to begin with.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2015 00:48:20 No.24746419 Report

Quoted By: >>24746436

>Game Freak insists on making defensive Ice types
WHY

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2015 00:52:30 No.24746436 Report

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>>24746419
Because buffing it would make Garchomp and Landorus garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2015 00:56:20 No.24746474 Report

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>>24746412

Even though bug is garbage offensively, it does have nice defensive things going for it like fighting and ground resistance. Shame about rocks though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2015 02:15:50 No.24746932 Report

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>>24743156

This.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2015 19:39:45 No.24750391 Report

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>>24743032
>Alakazam equivalent
Good luck with that.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2015 19:41:56 No.24750405 Report

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>>24743137
>I guess it's the case here with ice. It was good for literally ONE gen.
How was Ice in Gen 2 anyway? Come to think of it, I can't even recall it being relevant in Gen 1.

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