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Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 00:47:29 No.24781233 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>24781270 >>24781309 >>24781316 >>24781339 >>24782319 >>24782427 >>24782612 >>24782658 >>24782751 >>24782931 >>24783031 >>24784776 >>24785256

Alright guys, it's modern time
Is Jynx racist or have people just have an overreaction?

>Lets begin

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 00:51:55 No.24781247 Report

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Its based off a Japanese legend, nothing related to actual demographics.
Western devil wouldn't undersand, let alone niggers
SageGoesInAllFields

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 00:54:45 No.24781270 Report

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>>24781233
no. I never understood how a character being designed a certain way alone means racism. If I look like a black person does that mean I'm being racist to black people?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 00:59:57 No.24781309 Report

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>>24781233
I am not sure.

On it's own it isn't racist but if there are a bunch of kids saying that is the pokemon representation of black people then that is racist.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 01:00:41 No.24781316 Report

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>>24781233
I never had problems with snorlax.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 01:03:30 No.24781339 Report

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>>24781233
The old Jynx had a black face, big lips and round eyes to insert a DMX hit cover towards. While the modern Jynx is purple instead of black.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 01:05:53 No.24781362 Report

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Black people don't have psychic powers and I've only met one who could manipulate ice and cold. It's a very exaggerated version of ganguro

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 01:08:45 No.24781382 Report

Quoted By: >>24782401 >>24784922

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yama-uba

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 03:36:12 No.24782073 Report

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She is whatever. Never used her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 04:30:48 No.24782319 Report

Quoted By: >>24782352 >>24782420

>>24781233
Jynx might be racist, but it doesn't matter. When you start judging other cultures in the context of your own, something is lost.
It's like people who rage against George Washington because he owned slaves. Different times, different norms. He was a great man by the standards of his time.
Similar logic should be applied to Jynx. She's a Yama-Uba with ganguro and nigger traits. The japs think this is cool, so you really shouldn't get bent out of shape about it. Has Jynx ever caused actual physical or emotional trauma to black people anyway?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 04:34:05 No.24782334 Report

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Yes, yes she is. And even though she might be purple now, she still has dry skin as a hidden ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 04:36:38 No.24782352 Report

Quoted By: >>24782445 >>24784727

>>24782319

You should be more careful when talking about the sensitive subject of race.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 04:38:41 No.24782368 Report

Quoted By: >>24785481

Yeah, Jynx is racist, but doubt any harm was intended by it. Honestly, most racism/bigotism/whatever comes from ignorance not malice.

Especially by a culture pretty removed from the US's racial issues.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 04:46:44 No.24782401 Report

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>>24781382
/thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 04:50:39 No.24782420 Report

Quoted By: >>24782442 >>24782445

>>24782319
Your whiteness is bleeding through the screen goddamn

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 04:51:41 No.24782427 Report

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>>24781233
I always assumed its face was shaded over by its hair.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 04:53:42 No.24782437 Report

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>>24782427
same

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 04:54:05 No.24782442 Report

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>>24782420
>whiteness
That's not a negative trait, now is it?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 04:54:42 No.24782445 Report

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>>24782352
>>24782420
go home reddit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 05:33:11 No.24782612 Report

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>>24781233
>it's not racist

It's hidden ability is dry skin

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 05:36:54 No.24782628 Report

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>>24782442
It is when you say dumb stuff like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 05:41:49 No.24782658 Report

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>>24781233
Actual black guy here, I was never really offended by it. So long as it wasn't intentional, there's nothing to really be mad about, especially since they changed the color of it's skin. Giving it Dry Skin as an ability made me kek, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 05:45:14 No.24782678 Report

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As one of the two negroes on /vp/, I've personally never given a shit about Jynx. I've never felt that its design had any sort of racist connotations. People like getting riled up over nonexistent problems.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 05:47:06 No.24782692 Report

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another black guy here,
also master of mythology

I didn't know what it was at first, and didn't consider it racist many humanoid monsters have their faces hidden in various jrpgs.

Later on I discovered what monster it was based off of and the mystery was solved...

On a side note, did you know that Mr.Popo
was based off of.....

<-

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 05:55:19 No.24782751 Report

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>>24781233
It doesn't matter if it's racist or not. The problem is if you're offended by it, which is your own damn fault for being so sensitive. Sensitivity is a crime and being offended over stupid shit is the punishment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 06:20:55 No.24782927 Report

Quoted By: >>24785264

Japan never meant for it to be racist. It's based on a yokai and just happens to look like blackface.
HOWEVER, black people saw that design as a black stereotype, and Gamefreak, being a rational corporation, changed its design to avoid further confusion and controversy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 06:21:40 No.24782931 Report

Quoted By: >>24783087

>>24781233
>le jynx is le black
epic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 06:39:15 No.24783031 Report

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>>24781233
Jynx doesn't add up. 20 years of Pokemon and it's still the strangest in existence, at least for me.

If it's supposed to be a Black stereotype, why is it also an Ice-type?

If its supposed to be Yama-Uba/Brunnhilde/Ganguro or whatever else, does that explain the indecipherable language, the constant need to dance, it's false hair in Stadium (which may be just a gag, i don't know), the voodoo doll powers one example of Jynx posesses in Pokemon Adventure?

I don't think it's a mashup of different things either. The Kanto line of pokemon were usually fairly straight forward with their design, and you can usually tell what you're in for just by looking at most of them.

BME !wp8LJJh.fs

BME !wp8LJJh.fs Mon 07 Dec 2015 06:52:54 No.24783087 Report

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>>24782931
>le epic
Sick

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 16:59:53 No.24784727 Report

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>>24782352
No, we should be more open.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 17:08:20 No.24784776 Report

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>>24781233
It's not racist, but it WAS a bad idea to include it. While it isn't actually based on blackface, it's strong resemblance to it causes more problems than it's worth, and as such the idea should have been scrapped.

Or it should have been redesigned from the start to have its defining features changed.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 17:37:00 No.24784922 Report

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>>24781382
Pack up your bags boys because the thread is over. This guy wins.

It was the ignorance of japanese culture that blinded people.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 17:38:46 No.24784934 Report

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>>24782445
>not tumblr

know your internetz more, senpai

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 18:35:02 No.24785220 Report

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Little black sambo was a popular book in japan around the time, but ganguro was popping up too and then there's the yokai myth, so I guess it could've been based off any of those things or all of them at once. I don't know about the overreaction though, seemed more like people exaggerating the overreaction. Still I'm happy with the change Her face looked like it was floating in a abyss of nothingness, which would've worked for a ghost type, but defiantly not an ice one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 18:41:16 No.24785256 Report

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>>24781233
People tend to fall into two camps on the Jynx issues:
1) It was racist, Japanese people view blacks as lesser
or 2) It wasnt racist, it was ganguro, etc.
but it's really inbetween. It was racist, because it's a racist stereotype that became part of Japan's culture, but it wasn't really malicious. An innocently racist act, if you will. The overreaction was worse since it was done at a time when Gamefreak would just retcon it to get over with it, but at least it didn't happen now, when it would have been much worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 18:43:18 No.24785264 Report

Quoted By: >>24785503

>>24782927
It just feels so cowardly. Because these people from someplace else are offended, you bow out and change it? Who are they to command you?
I dunno man.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 18:45:03 No.24785269 Report

Quoted By: >>24785492

You guys remember Monster Rancher? This was one of the secret monsters you could obtain and raise, called "Magic".
http://monsterrancher.wikia.com/wiki/Magic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 18:48:03 No.24785282 Report

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I've never had a problem with Jynx. It's supposed to be based around street fashion from Japan right?
I do have a problem with Gallade being Male only while Gardevoir can be both genders. They should both have the option of being male.
Also, the Nidoking Nidoqueen breeding mechanics should be changed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 19:27:48 No.24785474 Report

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Old design wasn't however it unfortunately translates to black face caricature of black people to Statians and since they're so ethnocentric it had to be changed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 19:29:34 No.24785481 Report

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>>24782368
Intent doesn't excuse racism tho. Harm was still done even if you came from an ignorant but not malign place

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 19:31:54 No.24785492 Report

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>>24785269
Lmfao, I loved it when you combined this guy with a hengar and got a fucking "gangster", magic literally had an attack called uzi.

This shit would be considered racist as fuck these days, damnit now I want to play it again

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 19:34:58 No.24785503 Report

Quoted By: >>24785580

>>24785264
Because controversy can affect their sales and a company wants to profit not to lose... Are you twelve?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Dec 2015 19:52:47 No.24785580 Report

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>>24785503
I know I know, just from a pure theoretical standpoint. Can we really judge and push people like that

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