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Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:22:02 No.24917359 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>24917395 >>24917398 >>24917409 >>24917423 >>24917776

>No new evolutions in Gen V
>1 new evolution in Gen VI
What went wrong? Most of the Gen IV new evolutions were great.
>Roserade
>Mismagius
>Honchkrow
>Weavile
>Magnezone
>Lickilicky
>Ryperior
>Tangrowth
>Electivire
>Magmortar
>Togekiss
>Yanmega
>Gliscor
>Mamoswine
>Porygon-Z
>Gallade
>Probopass
>Dusknoir
>Froslass
Most of these had fantastic designs and gave usefulness to Pokemon who seriously needed it, and Gallade and Froslass were good alternate evolutions very distinct from their counterparts.
There are still so many Pokemon who need a new evolution to be useful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:29:30 No.24917380 Report

Quoted By: >>24917391 >>24917416

Eviolite compatibility, then Megas.

Nothing that didn't work with Eviolite before will now. Nothing that has a Mega will ever evolve now because they're considered to be in their final form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:31:17 No.24917391 Report

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>>24917380
Poor Audino. Forever useless...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:32:09 No.24917395 Report

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>>24917359
Gen 5 gave us nothing.
Gen 6 gave us little.
We can hope for gen 7.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:32:54 No.24917398 Report

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>>24917359
I agree that most of the new Gen IV evolutions were great. But the reasons there weren't any since then are quite obvious.

A major element of BW was the entirely new Pokedex, so of course there wouldn't be any cross-gen evolutions in Gen V. And Gen VI of course introduced mega-evolution, which would inherently cut down on the number of potential new standard evolutions. It's entirely unsurprising there haven't been any of these (except the obligatory Eeveelution to show off the new type) since Gen IV.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:35:01 No.24917409 Report

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>>24917359
>lickilicky, probopass, electivire and magmortar
>great

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:36:08 No.24917416 Report

Quoted By: >>24917421 >>24917424 >>24917461 >>24917839

>>24917380
>eviolite compatability
Or you know they could have just taken eviolite out of gen VI, like they did the gems.

Or you know, explain the inconsistency away with a hand wave LIKE THEY DID THE MASSIVE RETCONS GEN VI WAS FULL OF, LIKE FAIRY TYPE AND MEGA EVOLUTION.

OR, PERHAPS, THE HUGE RETCON THAT EVERY SINGLE GEN HAS TO UNDERGO TO INTRODUCE NEW POKEMON AT ALL.

To imply cross gen evos stopped happening, or even more foolishly, to imply that megas exist because of eviolite, is the height of idiocy. What really happened was that until recently all of gen IV's cross gen evos were near universally panned, and gamefreak didn't want to repeat that. Megas were a HUGE brand and marketing undertaking and the underlying motive behind it was to keep the fully evolved pokemon's identity intact instead of replacing them with a new one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:37:39 No.24917421 Report

Quoted By: >>24917433

>>24917416
>until recently all of gen IV's cross gen evos were near universally panned
That's bullshit and you know it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:38:01 No.24917423 Report

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>>24917359
>Ryperior
I hate this ugly piece of shit so much

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:38:13 No.24917424 Report

Quoted By: >>24917434

>>24917416
>unironically not wanting to get shat on by eviolite chansey and porygon2

also the >eviolite meme is countered by the fact that Gen 6 is Knock Off: The Experience

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:40:19 No.24917433 Report

Quoted By: >>24917438 >>24917477 >>24917789 >>24917839

>>24917421
Okay, it's more realistic to say that there was a lot of outspoken hate for most of them (rhyperior, probopass, tangrowth, togekiss, magmortar and lickilicky come to mind immediately), and few were outright praised save for maybe weavile, roserade and porygon-Z.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:41:20 No.24917434 Report

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>>24917424
>missing the point entirely
>implying my argument had anything at all to do with competitive use of eviolite

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:42:07 No.24917438 Report

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>>24917433
>rhyperior, probopass, tangrowth, togekiss, magmortar and lickilicky
Honestly their reputation hasn't improved that much. They were hit and miss, but it was still a move that ultimately changed things for the better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:47:50 No.24917461 Report

Quoted By: >>24917475 >>24917860

>>24917416
>Or you know they could have just taken eviolite out of gen VI, like they did the gems.
Gems were still in the game though. Just unavailable excpt via distribution, but never distributed.
>Or you know, explain the inconsistency away with a hand wave
Megas weren't a retcon at all, fairy wasn't ever explained. And those are both easier to explain than an item nobody but competitive autists knows about meant to be used in maingame while your starter is still unevolved.
>To imply cross gen evos stopped happening, or even more foolishly, to imply that megas exist because of eviolite
Nobody said the latter part. And the former part hasn't been desputed. All you said was "YEAH BUT THEY CAN RETCON IT". Or they can put a ton less effort into it by NOT making a bunch of new evolutions, so that's less Pokemon to make AND less retcons to do.

>What really happened was that until recently all of gen IV's cross gen evos were near universally panned
Yeah, like Gallade and Weavile. Those two who got into Pokken before even Greninja. Electivire and Magmortar keep getting pushed because Magmar was awful anyway. People love Porygon-Z. Togekiss gets pushed all the time for simply being a Toge. Hell, Frosslass even gets pushed in PMD.

Just because you and a bunch of people don't like Rhyperior doesn't mean shit. That's even more retarded than thinking Megas were a result of Eviolite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:50:11 No.24917475 Report

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>>24917461
>fairy wasn't ever explained
And they could do literally the same thing with eviolite's new compatibility the hell are you even arguing now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:50:31 No.24917477 Report

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>>24917433
Nobody liked Nosepass so nobody liked Probopass. Togekiss definitely isn't hated at all. Magmortar is only ugly and shitty because the entire line is like that. Show me one fucking person who likes Magby and Magmar, and hates Magmortar for "ruining the line" of literally ass-on-forehead retarded fire breathing duck monsters for them. That's not hate stemming from it being a Gen 4 evolution, or even Magmortar being a bad design. That's hate from the concept it had to work with in order to be a new evolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:53:48 No.24917498 Report

Quoted By: >>24917508

>>24917475
>there's this one thing that's bad
>why not just add another bad thing then????
Because it's retarded and two entirely unexplained retcons don't justify eachother, so why add the second unexplained retcon? You're arguing they can change it because they can just retcon the series if they do, when it's far more logical to stick with established rules and not retcon shit if possible. That's the same reason why all the cross-gen evolutions had to get new exclusive items to evolve them. Moon stone didn't work on Eevee in Gen 1, why should it evolve into Umbreon in Gen 2 with a Moon Stone? They've been following that kind of guideline since Gold and Silver.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 06:55:00 No.24917508 Report

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>>24917498
But piloswine could learn ancient power in gen II idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:01:56 No.24917776 Report

Quoted By: >>24917868

>>24917359
Logically no new evolutions should exist anyway. Full evolution string should already be known.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:07:05 No.24917789 Report

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>>24917433

No one liked Lickitung or Tangela to begin with

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:19:03 No.24917839 Report

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>>24917416
>>24917433
http://www.dorkly.com/toplist/55894/the-greatest-generation-iv-pokemon-of-all-time-vote-now
>near universally panned
>the majority of them are among the more popular of Gen 4 mons

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:27:55 No.24917860 Report

Quoted By: >>24918009

>>24917461
Gallade isn't in Pokken, which is even more bullshit, considering he's a bit popular+ Fighting type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:31:49 No.24917868 Report

Quoted By: >>24917882

>>24917776
same could be said with new pokemon period. no one gives a shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:35:59 No.24917882 Report

Quoted By: >>24917990

>>24917868
b8 pls leave

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 08:37:00 No.24917885 Report

Quoted By: >>24917983

So many Pokemon need new evolutions to be useful.
>Farfetch'd
>Ledian
>Sudowoodo
>Girafarig
>Wobbuffet
>Dunsparce
>Qwilfish
>Corsola
>Pelipper
>Masquerain
>Delcatty
>Chimecho
>Luvdisc (fuck Alomomola)
>Chatot
>All the shitty Pikachu ripoffs

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 09:02:49 No.24917983 Report

Quoted By: >>24918027

>>24917885
m8 ledian could evolve 3 more times and still be shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 09:04:42 No.24917990 Report

Quoted By: >>24918011

>>24917882
>muh b8 maymay even though it's true!

you first

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 09:11:18 No.24918009 Report

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>>24917860
Because being a Fighting type should give you priority for Pokken
>muh fighting

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 09:13:04 No.24918011 Report

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>>24917990
The veracity of a post does not make it any less trolling or bait.

It's about posting with the soul porpoise of provoking a hostile reaction. Yes, I intentionally spelled it as "soul porpoise"

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 31 Dec 2015 09:18:40 No.24918027 Report

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>>24917983
>tfw sentai based justice bug will never lead your mono bug team into glorious justice

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