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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 11:19:43 No.25022150 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>25022155 >>25022160 >>25022554 >>25022757 >>25023042 >>25023152 >>25023691

>"Competitive game"
>Critical hits exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 11:21:13 No.25022155 Report

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>>25022150
>"competitive game"
>torn acls and other season-ending injuries exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 11:22:57 No.25022159 Report

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>"competitive game"
>entry hazards

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 11:23:13 No.25022160 Report

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>>25022150
I'm probably one of /vp/'s biggest VGC players and even I admit competitive Pokémon is bullshit.

I only play it out of habit and because my friends do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 13:21:09 No.25022545 Report

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>competition
>new millennium

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 13:24:00 No.25022554 Report

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>>25022150
A game having luck based factors doesn't mean it can't be competitive. It's just shit like single elimination tournaments that are bad in that case.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 14:15:16 No.25022757 Report

Quoted By: >>25022763 >>25023122

>>25022150
Does that make League of Legends not a competitive game?

Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy

Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy Sun 17 Jan 2016 14:17:02 No.25022763 Report

Quoted By: >>25023087 >>25023154 >>25023893 >>25027672

>>25022757
Ugh, I never understood the appeal of that game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 15:22:10 No.25023042 Report

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>>25022150
Cry more, faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 15:29:37 No.25023087 Report

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>>25022763
Because you are retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 15:43:27 No.25023122 Report

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>>25022757
This is a bad comparsion because, critical hits in LeL and most other games aren't as overpowered as in Pokemon where crits OHKO everything.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 15:45:53 No.25023128 Report

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>>25022160
>I'm probably one of /vp/'s biggest VGC players

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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 15:52:46 No.25023150 Report

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Crits exist to incentivize attacking over passive play.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 15:53:49 No.25023152 Report

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>>25022150
>Competitive
>Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 15:54:10 No.25023154 Report

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>>25022763
because you are underage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 16:01:26 No.25023182 Report

Quoted By: >>25023199 >>25023601

by definition, Pokemon cannot be a competitive game because of all the random effects that fly everywhere during a battle that make it one unpredictable mess the whole time.

Your sweeper gets frozen by that Ice Beam, Focus Blast missed again, You hit yourself in confusion, Stone Edge scored a crit with that modifier, it's impossible to remove RNG from the game because it was made with RNG effects in mind.

It's a hell of a fun time to play the game with that in mind, knowing that you're probably gonna get frozen or critted, instead of expecting it to be as predictable and skill-based as chess. Just enjoy the game for what it is instead of treating it as the competitive game that it can't be, you'll have a more fun time once you accept that you just might lose to a lucky crit from the other guy, instead of diving into the saltfest Showdown is famous for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 16:07:21 No.25023199 Report

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>>25023182

> sweeper getting frozen
> implying sweepers don't need also speed

Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy

Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy Sun 17 Jan 2016 16:41:53 No.25023312 Report

Quoted By: >>25024495

>>25023087
About what I expected.

>>25023154
My 13-year-old sister loves it, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 17:40:58 No.25023534 Report

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>All of these peasants who don't know Luck is a tangible stat that can be improved and manipulated through esoteric training

Of course the RNG is going to fuck you over if you assume you're just dealing with chunks of data and only know how to minmax them. I bet you also thought it was just a coincidence that those infamously good genies are based on Japanese gods.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 17:51:56 No.25023601 Report

Quoted By: >>25023910 >>25023921

>>25023182

How can poker be a competitive game when you can get a fish to go all in with you with 7 2 offsuit when you have pocket Aces, only for him to hit a set of deuces on the flop?

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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 18:02:18 No.25023638 Report

Quoted By: >>25023661 >>25024006

>Evasion is banned for being random

>>>>ITS OKAY TO HAVE CRITICAL HITS

>Evasion has more counters than Critical Hits do and yet it's still okay

I can understand if its because they don't want matches taking too long, but to bullshit the reason is retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 18:08:08 No.25023661 Report

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>>25023638
>I DON'T WANT TO RUN KEEN EYE OR, TAUNT, OR HAZE LET'S BAN IT

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 18:15:45 No.25023691 Report

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>>25022150
Crit hits serve a purpose, they hit through modefied defences.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 19:01:55 No.25023893 Report

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>>25022763
Because your Luvdisc never evolved

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 19:07:50 No.25023910 Report

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>>25023601
This. So many big name games have an element of chance, you play with those risks in mind. Keeps the game from getting stale.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 19:10:46 No.25023921 Report

Quoted By: >>25024053

>>25023601
>"competitive" poker

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 19:34:17 No.25024006 Report

Quoted By: >>25024015

>>25023661
Taunt can miss and Keen Eye is mostly only available on shitmons that wouldn't necessarily be able to counter an evasion spammer.

>>25023638
I hope by 'counters' you're not referring to shit like Aerial Ace and Swift.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 19:36:42 No.25024015 Report

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>>25024006
also, Keen Eye prevents accuracy loss, it doesn't prevent the opponent from upping their evasion

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 19:43:53 No.25024053 Report

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>>25023921
>Most lucrative card game
>Not competitive

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 20:16:59 No.25024228 Report

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well smash bros melee has a few character specific glitches with luigi, and phantom hits are weird too. melee remains one of the more competitive games out there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 21:07:02 No.25024490 Report

Quoted By: >>25024654

>>25023150
Holy shit, the things that humans can rationalize away.

No, they fucking don't.

Crits exist because they've been a part of the battle formula since the series was created (a time when they DEFINITELY were not thinking about competitive battling at all, much less incentivizing certain styles of play), and they existed in gen 1 just because critical hits were just a standard part of any turn-based combat coming out of Japan at the time.

So I guess can you can blame JRPGs, and ultimately, I guess you can blame DnD.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 21:08:09 No.25024495 Report

Quoted By: >>25025153 >>25027681

>>25023312
I didn't know you had an older sister.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 21:13:53 No.25024540 Report

Quoted By: >>25025153

>>25023199
>sweeper doesn't sweep
>gets infested

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 21:16:43 No.25024578 Report

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>>25024053
That's terrible thinking, stagnant money

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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 21:22:34 No.25024627 Report

Quoted By: >>25024986

critical hits balance defensive boosting pretty well. WIthout crits, the enemy can just spam defensive boosts while healing with impunity. Because of criticals this is a non-sustainable strategy.

Plus, the opponent and the player have the same chance to crit if they keep attacking, so over the course of a series of battles the best players always rise to the top of the standings.

There's way worse things than crits in "competitive" pokemon. It's kind of funny to me how unintelligent people are, noticing that critical hits are unfair in some way, but they just casually accept the luck-of-the-draw based system that is the match up of your team vs. the opponent's team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 21:23:46 No.25024634 Report

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>competitive sport
>penalties are """subjective""" to a ref's opinion half the time
>fouls can be committed and the ref can just """miss""" them

nice RNG luck game sport faggots

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 21:26:21 No.25024654 Report

Quoted By: >>25024674 >>25024970

>>25024490
>
Crits exist because they've been a part of the battle formula since the series was created (a time when they DEFINITELY were not thinking about competitive battling at all, much less incentivizing certain styles of play), and they existed in gen 1 just because critical hits were just a standard part of any turn-based combat coming out of Japan at the time.

have you ever considered that maybe the guy who invented critical hits had the idea of "critical hits should encourage attacking over extremely defensive play", way back in dungeons and dragons or final fantasy or whoever came up with this shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 21:30:16 No.25024674 Report

Quoted By: >>25024970

>>25024654

Crits exist because the most popular house rule in every tabletop RPG since the dawn of the genre was "rolling a 20 means you did something cool."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 22:11:30 No.25024970 Report

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>>25024654
Tabletop RPGs didn't have any sort of problem with defensive play at the time. Most players just wanted to hit things with their imaginary swords and speak in sottish accents. Also >>25024674

Nor did most JRPGs (since they weren't pvp, so there was nobody to suffer if YOU, the only player, chose to play a certain way).

Though you did make me realize that I used the word "just" twice in the same sentence, so thank you for that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2016 22:12:57 No.25024986 Report

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>>25024627
>team matchups are "luck-of-the-draw"

Ever hear of this thing called a "Metagame"?

Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy

Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy Sun 17 Jan 2016 22:38:01 No.25025153 Report

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>>25024495
I don't.

>>25024540
Do you watch Chimpact too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jan 2016 04:28:42 No.25027298 Report

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>"Competitive game"
>The quality of surface matters

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jan 2016 04:30:40 No.25027310 Report

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>>25022160
Battle me for the Crown of /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jan 2016 05:01:40 No.25027454 Report

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dota

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jan 2016 05:03:34 No.25027466 Report

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>"Competitive game"
>Things I arbitrarily think are not good in a "competitive game" exist in the video game
>That makes it not competitive

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jan 2016 05:25:00 No.25027672 Report

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>>25022763
>Ugh
why do we still tolerate this fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Jan 2016 05:26:01 No.25027681 Report

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>>25024495
absolutely savage

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