>>25038619Hmm...I do see your point, yeah. That would make it more enjoyable to me, personally, as it puts various things in a new light.
However, in the first scenario, while that might deepen Ash as a character, it doesn't make him a better trainer, or even that much better of a character. Though as a character, it would have done quite a bit to make him better if it was utilized better or at all.
And for the second point of view, as
>>25038466 had pointed out, we cannot accept a meta reason as an excuse for Red or Ash being a certain way. And while hilarious, that is also a meta reason.
Though to be fair, if that did happen, I wouldn't blame them. GOd fucking dammit Tobias left a bad taste in my mouth.
>>25038650See my commentary on the Doylist point of view. That's a meta example, and because it DID happen, though there were more examples later after they brought Dawn back and such (In fact, bringing Dawn, Charizard, and the Butterfree plotline up in and of itself is bad writing due to them admitting such a thing happened in canon and purposefully recycling this wholesale), it has place in this argument, and there's no use trying to discredit the argument that involves such things.
>>25038671This entire post has a good point. Though I feel we're simply taking the three and finding common points that we can use.
Manga Red is why Ash upsets me so much. Manga Red is what Ash could have been, but instead of using someone new each part (a la the games or JJBA), they needed to keep Ash in a status quo, because of this need to stretch him over more years than many of the fans have been alive.
