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Fixing Articuno

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 08:10:11 No.25047609 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>25047757 >>25047768 >>25047920 >>25047980 >>25048694 >>25049025 >>25050394 >>25050580 >>25050651

Pressure: Into the trash it goes.

New Abilities:

Refrigerate
Gale Wings
Snow Warning

New Moves:

Boomburst
Tail Glow
Aura Sphere
Aeroblast
Ice Shard

Is it fixed? What tier?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 08:38:14 No.25047755 Report

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Refrigerate and Boomburst would make it uber. Too powerful with Specs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 08:38:36 No.25047757 Report

Quoted By: >>25047790 >>25047791 >>25054626

>>25047609
>tail glow
Why would it even learn that, it doesn't even make sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 08:39:38 No.25047768 Report

Quoted By: >>25047791

>>25047609
>Boomburst
Why would it even learn that, it doesn't even make sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 08:43:21 No.25047790 Report

Quoted By: >>25050394

>>25047757
>has a tail
>whynaut?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 08:43:25 No.25047791 Report

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>>25047757
It has a tail that glows brightly in the glacial fog.

>>25047768
It's a bird. Just write some extra dex lore about how loud it can be and we're all set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 09:08:23 No.25047920 Report

Quoted By: >>25048036

>>25047609
>aura sphere
Why would it even learn that, it doesn't even make sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 09:22:11 No.25047980 Report

Quoted By: >>25048041

>>25047609
Give it a Mega with Magic Guard and buff in defenses and it becomes a great Deffoger

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 09:25:15 No.25047997 Report

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le give everything boomburst meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 09:33:14 No.25048034 Report

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Can you stop making your shitty threads already? Articuno was shit, is shit and will be shit always
>ice
just trash this type already

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 09:33:24 No.25048036 Report

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>>25047920
Why does Togekiss learn it? Why does Raikou learn it?

It's one of those flexible moves you can plonk on anything in need of an upgrade.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 09:34:33 No.25048041 Report

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>>25047980
>mega
Fuck off idiot.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 11:03:33 No.25048534 Report

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I want it to be great as much as you do Oh Pee. It's my favorite legendary and it represents my favorite type (being a frostfag is suffering in Pokemon)

At least when RBY hit the VC we can play with Articuno of back before it, and the Ice type as a whole, got fucked by GF not knowing how to balance a game/design pokemon of a glass-cannon-y type

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 11:32:03 No.25048694 Report

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>>25047609
So what tier would it be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 12:23:58 No.25048867 Report

Quoted By: >>25048876

>aeroblast
Why would it even learn that, it doesn't even make sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 12:26:03 No.25048876 Report

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>>25048867
Why would Entei learn Sacred Fire? It doesn't even make sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 12:55:01 No.25048981 Report

Quoted By: >>25049031

>Refrigerate
>Boomburst
Welcome to Ubers Articuno.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 13:07:02 No.25049025 Report

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>>25047609
I could understand it getting Hyper Voice, but Boomburst would just not fit it at all. The only pokemon that learn that are themed entirely around being extremely loud.

I agree that it should have been given either Refrigerate or Snow Warning as its hidden ability, but once again, GF dropped the fucking ball. The whole trio should have been given something more unique and useful than just the generic abilities of their respective types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 13:08:14 No.25049031 Report

Quoted By: >>25050333

>>25048981
How would that happen? It's still easily countered and revenge killed, especially with sneaky pebbles in every other battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 16:09:57 No.25049749 Report

Quoted By: >>25050607

>ice shard
But it already has that anon. It cannot really fit it though.

The problem with these vanilla legendaries is that they will never get updated, stuck with generic abilities (Pressure) and have little to no coverage moves because "they must stick with their own type". Why Entei will not get Earthquake is beyond me. Of course, that will not stop Gamefreak from giving new legendaries signature moves, minmaxed stat distribution, and abilities that are not pressure.

I just think Articuno would need a signature boosting move (something akin to Quiver Dance) to compensate for the fact it has the highest base defences of the three birds. Or maybe a signature Freeze Dry that is slightly stronger than the original one and also hits Fire Super-effectively.That way, it is more of the late-game sweeper rather than try to take on a toxicstalling role that even ordinary bulky waters can do better. Because right now, it does not even live up to the name "legendary Pokemon". I blame the power creep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 16:20:05 No.25049799 Report

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Snow Warning Articuno would at least be a good niche if Hail wasn't so shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 18:46:26 No.25050333 Report

Quoted By: >>25050619

>>25049031
More like:

Gale Wings + Tail Glow + Aeroblast = Uber

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 19:04:15 No.25050394 Report

Quoted By: >>25050566 >>25056194

>>25047790
>>25047609

>Moves always take priority to Japanese meaning and definition
>Tail glow
>Move is literally called Firefly Light
>Manaphy only has it because in Japanese name for sea angel is literally "Sea firefly."
>People still try and make the case that Ampharos and others are even remotely fireflies

Please learn moonspeak before spouting off shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 19:36:46 No.25050566 Report

Quoted By: >>25050623 >>25050640 >>25050672

>>25050394
Volbeat is a Firefly? Why doesn't Illumise get it?

Either way, not to worry. Just replace Tail Glow with Quiver Dance and Articuno is fixed again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 19:39:35 No.25050580 Report

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>>25047609
>Shuckle used Rock Throw!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 19:42:00 No.25050599 Report

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no lol
the only thing is needs is to switch its special attack with its special defense
that's literally it
125 special attack with two amazing stabs (flying + freeze dry) and access to agility for more speed, recovery, even other stuff like heal bell and defog makes it decent enough already
this is literally all it needs tbhhh

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 19:43:10 No.25050607 Report

Quoted By: >>25050616

>>25049749
>and also hits Fire Super-effectively
why would you be this stupid
can't you use hurricane?
god you fucking people suggest the dumbest things

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 19:45:32 No.25050616 Report

Quoted By: >>25050622

>>25050607
I always found Articuno's Fire weakness rather disturbing. We don't need an offensive type to have 6 resists either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 19:46:04 No.25050619 Report

Quoted By: >>25051989

>>25050333
nice trips. Without aura sphere it's still easily checked by ttar and many steels, and things like scarftran can revenge it. It would still have plenty of checks in OU in my imo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 19:46:44 No.25050622 Report

Quoted By: >>25050641

>>25050616
adding a move to it doesn't remove its weakness, you know this right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 19:46:45 No.25050623 Report

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>>25050566
But Quiver Dance is Butterfly Dance in Japanese.

Articuno still isn't a bug.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 19:50:39 No.25050640 Report

Quoted By: >>25052323

>>25050566
Only male fireflies have the light to attract mates

And quiver dance is butterfly dance, which only butterflies and moths can do. Only reason liligant learns it is because she learns all "Dance" moves except for Dragon Dance (which you have to be reptilianish to do apparently)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 19:50:49 No.25050641 Report

Quoted By: >>25050656

>>25050622
No duh. But it does help coverage wise. I know water types generally learn Ice moves and Ice types learned water moves, but the water moves that were available were dumb things like Bubblebeam or Water Pulse. Even Aqua Tail for Glaceon. If you're so angered by the very aspect of Ice having some leverage against Fire types what about more water attacks for Articuno?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 19:53:56 No.25050651 Report

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>>25047609

>refrigerate boomburst with tail glow

just fuck my meta up

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 19:54:15 No.25050656 Report

Quoted By: >>25052919

>>25050641
alternatively, just boost water pulse to 70 BP
already ko's the relevant stuff, but the main issue is still the special attack and special defense stuff
articuno has the perfect typing for a fast special glass cannon, amazing coverage just in STAB plus a bunch of other cool moves including recovery
they completely fucked it up by switching its special attack and special defense stats in gen II

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 19:57:08 No.25050672 Report

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>>25050566

>Why doesn't Illumise get it

If you weren't fucking stupid, you'd know it's because Illumise doesn't have a light. Only Volbeat does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 23:31:50 No.25051989 Report

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>>25050619
Wrong, it actually checks most steels at +3. I'll give you TTar and Excadrilll, but Articuno would obliterate everything else.

Claiming scarfed mons can check it is just desperation dude.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2016 23:34:44 No.25052004 Report

Quoted By: >>25052267

>Giving everything an -ate ability and boomburst

Oh fuck off already.

You're as bad as the Gardefags constantly crying why their waifu doesn't get boomburst.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Jan 2016 00:25:20 No.25052267 Report

Quoted By: >>25052280

>>25052004
Articuno really needs it though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Jan 2016 00:28:39 No.25052280 Report

Quoted By: >>25052296

>>25052267
not really
all it needs is special attack and special defense swaping
that's it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Jan 2016 00:32:54 No.25052296 Report

Quoted By: >>25052304 >>25052942

>>25052280
>changing the stats
Kill yourself, not happening.

To fix a pokemon, you give it new moves and/or abilities. Changing its stats means it's not the same pokemon anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Jan 2016 00:33:41 No.25052304 Report

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>>25052296
>Kill yourself, not happening.
already did in gen II tho
and this gen we got +10 in stats, which was a first too
who's to say they won't change it again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Jan 2016 00:37:22 No.25052323 Report

Quoted By: >>25052332

>>25050640
Yea I love my Fiery Dance Liligant

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Jan 2016 00:39:08 No.25052332 Report

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>>25052323
you have to set yourself on fire to fiery dance. Thats sort of out of the repertoire of a dancing grass thing. Thats why Volcarona can and nobody else can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Jan 2016 02:25:51 No.25052919 Report

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>>25050656
70 BP is a bit too weak to be honest, along with Articuno's moderate Special Attack. I always imagined Articuno with Surf or Hydro Pump-like move. It is from Seafoam Island so it is not really much of a stretch.

The typing is great offensively, but it was meant to be played defensively apparently. I only see a signature boosting move or perhaps that Fire hitting Freeze Dry suggested would be helpful in salvaging it (need something other than rock types to deal with the dumb Megazards), and if not that, Water moves for some extra coverage. It would idealistically be stopped by Steels or Electrics, but everything would need a weakness.

What really kills it is its lack of resists. Would it be bad for the metagame to get another Flying resist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Jan 2016 02:31:31 No.25052942 Report

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>>25052296

If any pokemon should get it, ones from Gen 1 should. They weren't designed around the special split.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Jan 2016 06:38:02 No.25054017 Report

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Ice should resist Fairy. Fairies are useless in the cold.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Jan 2016 09:46:47 No.25054626 Report

Quoted By: >>25055705

>>25047757
>has tail
>somewhat associated with aurora

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Jan 2016 16:11:56 No.25055705 Report

Quoted By: >>25055975 >>25056173

>>25054626
that's not a tail lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Jan 2016 16:52:12 No.25055975 Report

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>>25055705
You're an idiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Jan 2016 17:32:05 No.25056173 Report

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>>25055705
Retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Jan 2016 17:38:26 No.25056194 Report

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>>25050394
>hyper fang is called Certain-Kill Fang in japanese
>it's a normal attack

See how japanese names don't make sense to begin with?

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