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Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 01:18:45 No.25072133 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>25072155 >>25072165 >>25072435 >>25072484 >>25072749 >>25072939

Universe A: Genesect had a cannon on its back at the start.

Universe B: Genesect was given a cannon by Team Plasma.

Discuss, /vp/. Should we blast Masuda demanding explanations for this shit?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 01:22:07 No.25072155 Report

Quoted By: >>25072170

>>25072133
Actually in both Universes. Genesect was given a cannon by Team Plasma.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 01:22:40 No.25072165 Report

Quoted By: >>25073077

>>25072133
They added the cannon, then upgraded it.
Easy peasy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 01:23:07 No.25072170 Report

Quoted By: >>25072194 >>25072206

>>25072155
>upgraded
>attached

this doesn't add up, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 01:26:22 No.25072194 Report

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>>25072170
Genesect body was altered by Team Plasma and the Canon that they added was ungrade.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 01:28:44 No.25072206 Report

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>>25072170
Genesect original Canon was a protype.
Team Plasma altered that Canon and added upgrades to it.

mr correct opinions

mr correct opinions Mon 25 Jan 2016 01:35:14 No.25072241 Report

Quoted By: >>25072354 >>25072754

here are some translated japanese pokedex entries for genesect

black: 300,000,000 years ago it was feared as the ultimate hunter. Team Plasma modified it.

black2: A Pokemon that lived 300,000,000 years ago. It was modified by Team Plasma; a cannon was attached to its back.

the confusion is likely from the translation process

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 01:39:36 No.25072257 Report

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No. The way it works with old Pokemon is that they usually just recycle two random old Pokedex entries. In this case, the X entry was taken from White, while the Y version uses the (better-translated) BW2 entry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 01:57:56 No.25072354 Report

Quoted By: >>25072742

>>25072241
Interesting. Do you know of any other Dex entries where the English localization butchers the meaning?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 02:12:05 No.25072435 Report

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>>25072133
Black and White's theme is the relation of the opposites. This even exists on Gen V's Pokedex entries, look Excadrill entry for example.

Gen VI Pokedex entry for Gen V mons comes from Black and White.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 02:19:32 No.25072484 Report

Quoted By: >>25072559

>>25072133
who actually reads pokedex entries

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 02:33:50 No.25072559 Report

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>>25072484
People who know how to read unlike a retard lile you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 02:41:49 No.25072593 Report

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Genesect was actually given its current form during the war 3000 years ago. It's basically a miniature, walking version of AZ's weapon. The cannon was rebuilt and attached or simply upgraded depending on how damaged the body was when Team Plasma dug it up at Glittering Cave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 03:17:41 No.25072742 Report

Quoted By: >>25072754 >>25073030

>>25072354
It's not a translation issue, you dumbass, you're quoting different entries from the ones in the OP:

Black:
>3億年前に最強のハンターとして恐れられていた。プラズマ団に改造された。
>Over 300 million years ago, it was feared as the strongest of hunters. It has been modified by Team Plasma.

White, X, Omega Ruby:
>プラズマ団によって改造された古代のむしポケモン。背中の大砲がパワーアップした。
>This ancient bug Pokémon was altered by Team Plasma. They upgraded the cannon on its back.

Black 2, White 2, Y, Alpha Sapphire:
>3億年前にいたポケモン。プラズマ団に改造され背中に砲台をつけられた。
>This Pokémon existed 300 million years ago. Team Plasma altered it and attached a cannon to its back.

The English translations are all perfectly fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 03:19:32 No.25072749 Report

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>>25072133
They upgraded the cannon by putting a bigger cannon on its back

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 03:20:38 No.25072754 Report

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>>25072742
Meant to quote >>25072241 but same shit.
The issue is present in the original Japanese too, this has nothing to do with translation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 04:06:53 No.25072939 Report

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>>25072133
Oh yeah there was a cyborg running around before humanity.

Oh wait no, your full of shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 04:23:26 No.25073030 Report

Quoted By: >>25073097 >>25073276

>>25072742
No, they aren't. It's a case of Japan giving loanwords weird meanings. パワーアップ is the English phrase "Power Up" written in Japanese. Due to the odd mixture of an English loanword and vague Japanese phrasing, there are a lot of different ways you could read into what they're trying to say. Given the context and other Pokedex entries, the act of adding the canon itself was almost certainly the "power up" in question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 04:33:12 No.25073077 Report

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>>25072165
That's clearly not the implication.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 04:38:13 No.25073097 Report

Quoted By: >>25073309

>>25073030
>背中 (back)
>の (possessive)
>大砲 (cannon)
>が (object marker)
>パワーアップした。 (powered up)

As literally as possible, "Powered up the cannon on the back" (Japanese does not require a sentence to have a subject if it's understood through context).

It says the cannon was powered up, not added. The English translation saying "upgraded" is not much of a change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 05:15:45 No.25073276 Report

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>>25073030
My two years of nipponese make me side with this anon in that this was likelier way to read it, but I don't know how literal the voice is for the rest of the Japanese entries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2016 05:25:03 No.25073309 Report

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>>25073097
That only makes sense in the context of English grammar. When looking at it from a Japanese perspective, "Powered Up" is more likely being incorrectly used as an action verb that the canon is doing. It doesn't make any sense to people who are versed in English, but it's easy to see where the error comes from. I think the intended meaning is something closer to "The canon on the back is powering (it) up". It also explains why the translator was confused by it.

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