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Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 19:20:36 No.25099602 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>25099625 >>25099696 >>25102112 >>25102175 >>25103669 >>25104119 >>25104955 >>25105089 >>25105123 >>25105979 >>25106938 >>25106946 >>25106968

>Game Freak introduces a major change to Pokemon battles for gen 7

either
>Pokemon (can) have 5 moves
or
>Pokemon (can) hold 2 items

Which would you prefer?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 19:21:20 No.25099609 Report

Quoted By: >>25099617

Two items

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 19:22:09 No.25099617 Report

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>>25099609
Hold two items, because interesting things could be done with that

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 19:23:02 No.25099625 Report

Quoted By: >>25099682

>>25099602
5 moves
Better for coverage

2 items will literally break the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 19:27:12 No.25099660 Report

Quoted By: >>25099666

6 moves, will make doubles actually fun because Protect taking up a move slot means nothing now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 19:28:14 No.25099666 Report

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>>25099660
I meant 5, typo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 19:30:10 No.25099682 Report

Quoted By: >>25100965

>>25099625
They'd both break the game.

You don't think they'd just open up a move slot and leave it at. All the attacks are designed around the 4 move limit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 19:32:07 No.25099696 Report

Quoted By: >>25099719

>>25099602
In both cases, stall is gone for good

Also, in both cases, everything that is already strong is going to hit the broken level

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 19:35:45 No.25099719 Report

Quoted By: >>25101016

>>25099696
Stall died with the physical/special mixup in gen 4.

3 was perfectly balanced between defence and offence. 4 became >muh attack.
3 was Football Manager. 4 was FIFA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 22:24:26 No.25100965 Report

Quoted By: >>25100996

>>25099682
>All the attacks are designed around the 4 move limit.
No they aren't. The four move limit is designed around gen I's memory limitations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 22:27:34 No.25100996 Report

Quoted By: >>25101237 >>25101269

>>25100965
If it was a memory limitation they would have upped it during 3rd gen when they had to redo the entire engine. 4 moves is a deliberate design choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 22:29:33 No.25101016 Report

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>>25099719
>Football manager
>balanced
In 12 it was muh poacher
In 13 it was muh advanced midfielder
In 14 muh wingbacks
In 15 muh inside forward
Yet to play 16. Doubting if the upgrades deserve 49.99

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 22:46:44 No.25101134 Report

Quoted By: >>25103601 >>25105149

>2 items
>a good idea

Ubers would kill itself.

Double Eviolite Chansey.

Almost any mega with a band/scarf/specs.

Assault Vest/Leftovers.

Knock Off at double power than it is now.

Choice Item/Lum Berry

Please god make it stop

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 22:58:38 No.25101237 Report

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>>25100996
Weren't they planning on making the Pokemon able to learn 5 moves in Gen 3?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 23:03:02 No.25101269 Report

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>>25100996
lots of Gen I design choices were carried over multiple gens

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Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 23:11:35 No.25101331 Report

Quoted By: >>25101349

>Mega-Ray with two life orbs

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 23:13:29 No.25101349 Report

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>>25101331
>Talonflame with two Choice Bands

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Anonymous Thu 28 Jan 2016 23:29:01 No.25101449 Report

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>Harvest with two sitrus berries

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 00:36:26 No.25102062 Report

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Well, if a Pokemon can hold 2 itens, i hope that at least you can't have 2 of the same item on the same pokemon, otherwise one of them lose its effect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 00:41:47 No.25102112 Report

Quoted By: >>25103601

>>25099602
>Leftovers Toxic Orb Gliscor
>AssVest Choice Band Azumarill
>Lum Weakness Policy Dragonite
>Lax Incense Brightpowder Sand Veil Chomp
>White Herb Choice Specs Hydreigon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 00:49:18 No.25102175 Report

Quoted By: >>25103601

>>25099602
Both would be terrible ideas if there weren't serious limitations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 04:31:01 No.25103601 Report

Quoted By: >>25103659 >>25105149 >>25105222

>>25101134
>>25102112
>>25102175
You would need a ton of (potentially arbritary and stupid) rules on what items could or could not be held to prevent most of this idiocy.

At the very least, items shouldn't stack so you don't end up with stuff like the previously mentioned double eviolite chansey. Thing would be fucking indestructable.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 04:38:24 No.25103659 Report

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>>25103601
>double eviolite chansey
>max defense is 119
>Single Eviolite is 178.5 max defense.
>Second Eviolite puts it at either 238 if they don't stack with each other or at ~268 if they do
>Max SpD is 339
>with one eviolite it's 508.5 maximum
>with two it's either 678 or 762.75
>mfw

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 04:39:47 No.25103669 Report

Quoted By: >>25104145

>>25099602
Third choice.

Active time battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 06:05:57 No.25104119 Report

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>>25099602
>choice item + metronome
>black sludge + leftovers
>choice item + choice item
epic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 06:12:16 No.25104145 Report

Quoted By: >>25105071

>>25103669
>turn pokemon into ATB
>speed influences how fast shit fills up
>priority attacks use up less ATB, attacks like hyper beam use up more but are now useful
>lower attack damage to make bulky mons less shit
>fast pokemon out DPS powerful ones, powerful ones out hit bulky ones, but bulky ones beat fast ones in the end
Would this kill the franchise or improve it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 09:23:41 No.25104955 Report

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>>25099602
Clutch moves.
A clutch move is a fifth move a pokemon can use once in a battle, only when its health is yellow or lower. a clutch move can be one of x amount of moves that pokemon can learn normally, though not all of its moves can be clutch moves. certain moves like Last resort and self destruct cannot be selected as Clutch moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 09:53:37 No.25105055 Report

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Better idea: You can modify the team limit all the way up to a 12 on 12.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 09:59:35 No.25105071 Report

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>>25104145
that would be pretty neat, but they would have to rebalance some pokemon (that would be the moment to retype some...).

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Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 10:00:33 No.25105074 Report

Quoted By: >>25105098 >>25105236 >>25105307

>Pokemon (can) hold 2 items
Instead how about 1 item + 1 berry?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 13:04:02 No.25105089 Report

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>>25099602
Holding 2 items could only ever be balanced if certain items counted as two items for balance.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 13:08:00 No.25105098 Report

Quoted By: >>25105101

>>25105074
>Every pokemon now carries (item)+ Sitrus Berry
ughhhh
>Ice and Rock/Ground mons can now have two SE-reduction berries at a time, increasing their longevity
Then again...
Could you equip two of the same berries and they wouldn't activate at the same time? So you could give Regice two Chople Berries which allows you to reduce a SE Fighting type attack twice?

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Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 13:09:20 No.25105101 Report

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>>25105098
I believe he is referring to berries becoming their own thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 13:13:54 No.25105113 Report

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>air balloon + iron ball

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 13:16:56 No.25105123 Report

Quoted By: >>25105149 >>25105173 >>25105330

>>25099602
Shuckle's been my "ace" for years so I've often thought of it when these types of hypothetical questions come up
5 moves;
>Shuckle can now carry Sandstorm, Toxic, Infestation, Wrap and Sand-tomb/Rest
This would be a huge boost to it
That being said, 2 items;
>Can have Leftovers +
>Leftovers (assuming duplicate items are allowed)
>Sitrus Berry
>Binding Band
>Smooth Rock
>Grip Claw
>Mental/White Herb
>Focus Band/Sash
>Rocky Helmet
I'm not sure what would better suit it

What if for gen 7, its Mega-Evolution style gimmick was being able to power up any of your pokemon so that they can either have 5 moves or hold two items? A bit like weapon honing in MH4U

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 13:18:49 No.25105133 Report

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If I had to choose between the two, 2 held items. I feel like there are so many Pokemon that either don't have enough good moves to fit 5 slots, or are basically a 5th moveslot away from being able to answer 95% of the game. 2 hold items could be just as stupid, but it would also make weaker Pokemon viable without dragging others down into unusability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 13:22:53 No.25105149 Report

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>>25101134
>>25103601
I'd also make Thief and Covet do double damage if the foe have an item, as well.
Also, if the last part of what >>25105123 said happened, then if would be a mutually assured destruction type deal by allowing everyone a big viability boost.
Honestly, since Megas, the whole metas been a mess, and I don't care about Smogon-rules either, so I'd be fine with Gen 7 allowing either 5 moves or 2 items. It would be fun experimenting on what our favourites would now be capable of.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 13:32:06 No.25105173 Report

Quoted By: >>25105330

>>25105123
Some people were so frightened of every pokemon eventually getting a Mega, but I think "poke'-honing" would be a great alternative to having a huge influx of Megas I also play MH4U, my huntan nigga
>Avoids crap Megas like Audino and Steelix
>No need to design too many new Megas
>No need for people to get angry if they don't like the Mega, either competitively or design-wise
>Allows more mix-and-match rather than "this Mega is the only boost they'll get. Its done. This is it"
>The choice of having one Mega per team got harder in ORAS, but now you can have a Mega and honed-favourites
>Being able to hone any non-Mega pokemon means Its easier for the developers to pick who gets a Mega; "We can't design a Mega Flygon, and Skuntank just isn't popular enough...but at least their fans can now make them stronger"
I'm all for it. Pieces of shit like Ariados and Ledian will likely never get Megas, so a catch-all customisable boost to every pokemon takes a load off Gamefreak's minds and means everyones' bros get something new.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 13:37:28 No.25105191 Report

Quoted By: >>25105221

>2 items
>mega with an items
>mega fug with 2 life orbs

Did you really think that idea fully through?

Of course 5 move slot. Everything having an extra slot to run Protect is better than this shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 13:44:45 No.25105221 Report

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>>25105191
Mega Fug is already completely broken, lets not take it into consideration.

Also can we all agree that Megas don't get an item? I know that fucks over Megas like Steelix and Audino but it also stops Megas like Blaziken and Scizor getting TOO good, whereas now they're just good.
Then again, M-Steelix and M-Audino could be imporved with an extra moveslot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 13:44:50 No.25105222 Report

Quoted By: >>25105989

>>25103601
How about if one item slot is a regular hold item while the other is a consumable slot?
So you could have the usual leftovers/sashes/choice items/etc and the other is exclusively for berries and the handful of other one time use stuff like gems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 13:48:22 No.25105236 Report

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>>25105074
I like it. I've actually wanted that for a while.
>Belch is now viable

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Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 14:01:19 No.25105293 Report

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Okay, so how about;

2 Items
>one must be a consumable
e.g. Leftovers + Focus Sash

OR

5 Moves
>the 5th move depends on whether the majority of the 4 moves is attacking or status
e.g. 3 attacking moves, 1 status, the 5th is status. 4 status moves, the 5th is attacking.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 14:04:30 No.25105307 Report

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>>25105074
>Harvest Tropius with Heat Rock + Sitrus Berry
Nicerino

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Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 14:09:21 No.25105330 Report

Quoted By: >>25105396

>>25105123
>>25105173
How would you propose this "poke-honing" dealio? I know in MH4U it requires very rare materials for each weapon, plus a hefty price.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 14:22:49 No.25105396 Report

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>>25105330
Make it a reward for maxing Pokemon amie and friendship level and maybe also you have to go to some place for a ceremony or something. Would actually make it worth doing that shit that isn't just for return or to evolve sylveon.
You could choose between things like letting the Pokemon hold two items (one regular and one consumable), getting an extra move slot (have to have at least one damaging and nondamaging move though), getting a physical buff that grants +10 to atk and def and +5 to spd, a special buff that grants +10 to sp.atk and sp.def and +5 to spd, or an "aura" that drops one of that Pokemon weaknesses to neutral (only if that Pokemon has more than one weakness though)

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Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 16:42:25 No.25105951 Report

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>Pokemon can have 5 moves. 5th slot is unavailable during battle if pokemon carries item. Losing item during battle doesn't unlock last slot.

or

>Pokemon can have 5 moves. Ability becomes "passive move". You must remove ability in order to learn 5th "active move". There is an NPC who can reteach ability. Also new passive HMs and TMs are introduced, but they are mediocre.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 16:47:10 No.25105979 Report

Quoted By:

>>25099602
>Which would you prefer?

A second stage for digivolutions

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 16:48:34 No.25105989 Report

Quoted By:

>>25105222
>Weakness Policy Lum Dragonite

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 17:43:47 No.25106278 Report

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turn pokemon to an aRPG

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 19:50:29 No.25106938 Report

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>>25099602

Pokemone can have 5 moves, BUT the 5th move is the Pokemon's 'overworld move' (Fly, Cut, Surf, Waterfall, Teleport, etc)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 19:52:01 No.25106946 Report

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>>25099602
Why 5 moves? Shouldn't it be 6? Going from an even number to an odd number doesn't sound right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Jan 2016 19:56:05 No.25106968 Report

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>>25099602

5 movies

And while we're at it, let's make HMs into fucking Key Items.

They got it sorta right with the Eon Flute. Keep it, and add more.

I'm sick of having 2 pokemon dedicated to HMs.

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